Real Commercial Instructor reviews the Just Flight Piper Arrow for FS2020!
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- In this video, Kitty takes an hour long deep dive into Just Flight's hotly anticipated Piper Arrow to answer one important question - is it worth it?!
0:00 Introduction
0:40 The Real Aircraft
5:25 Visual Model
16:32 Start up and Checks
44:20 Take off & Climb
49:39 General Handling
1:01:50 Circuits and Landing
1:12:35 My Conclusion
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This footage was created by a real world commercial pilot and current commercial flight instructor. Although you may use this for learning purposes, it is recommended as guidance only and should not substitute any training from your ATO. It is intended to merely provide an insight into real world commercial training operations at a school we are familiar with and to enhance your desktop simulator experience. We are in no position to share or copy any company-specific data. If you are a trainee Private or Commercial Pilot, please refer to your approved training/company documentation ONLY.
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Software used:
Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 - Ігри
Bought it full price and never looked back.. It's great, I'm thrilled.
Great review and overall presentation of the aircraft. I appreciate the way you test and give your final thoughts in a honest way, also based on your real world experience. Thank you for your service to the flight sim community.
I agree nice vid
Just watching I think I can literally smell the 100LL and oil in that thing. To those of us used to flying real planes, I love how they have created an actual real world plane with weathering and classic steam gauges. It's a breath of fresh air from all the brand new multi-million dollar glass cockpit aircraft they usually include with these games.
They definitely got the look of the interior spot on with this one.
I paused at 21:13, bought it and came back here! Great review!! Great job!! Thanks.
An excellent and honest review of The Piper Arrow and very well presented.
Thanks for giving your time to explain the in depth workings of this airplane.
Best and most comprehensive review I've seen in a long time - for any aircraft. Thankyou for taking the trouble to bring it to us. I didn't know about the discount and I have this in my P3D hangar and love it so I'm just about to get out my credit card.
Thank you for a very informative review, certainly you helped me understand what I thought were bugs like the rubbish autopilot death spirals, but were actually real world behaviours. Stick to heading mode spot on! I've been flying this plane since it came out, and I have the carenado PA44, and this is huge improvement on that. I like that you gave us a real world perspective and understanding of the real plane's performance and a demonstration of several types of landings which I certainly will be trying out. I look forward to your future videos and I've banged the subscriber button.
Thanks so much for a great review! Aircraft purchased! The comparisons with real world are absolutely fascinating. Loved every second of the vid. Liked and subscribed. Looking forward to more!
I'm in love and look forward to purchasing this beauty later this year, Xbox or pc...not sure yet. I'm so happy flyingcwith you as passenger, thanks for letting me tag along!
Great review. I love all your reviews to be honest. You put in a great deal of effort in it and it shows ! Thanks
Thanks! 😊
Hi everyone, Kitty here. Thanks for all the great comments! Just a quick update - JF have published a 2.0 patch for the Arrow already, which addresses and almost completely resolves the negative points I raise in this video. The full list of changes is here - support.justflight.com/support/solutions/articles/17000115071
Let us know if you'd like me to do a quick video on the improvements :D
There’s still a few issues with the latest release but overall it’s still a great aircraft
There's a mod to make it clean and spiffy, also repaint of the yoke, which bugged me as that would have been the first thing I'd have done if I had bought it.
@@ellonysman there is yes but just flight are releasing an updated version again and the mod does state it may break this version so just be mindful.
I like the used look, it close to real world arrows because unless you get lucky and have a fully refit version the chances are you will be flying one similar to what’s depicted in sim
Hi there, thank you for great review !
Definitely. Out of interest, is the emergency gear extension system modelled?
I'm glad I found your channel. You have the highest quality vids out there.
Thanks!
Just got this plane yesterday. Loving it so far. Quite a step up from the 152, which is all I used to fly. Thanks for the detailed review. It was very helpful.
No problem, glad you found it useful!
I have never learned so much about an aircraft from a UA-cam video before.
That's quite a compliment, thanks!
Always makes me think of 'Talk Down' by Brian Lecomber. Great read.
Excellent detailed video, thanks. I did one of my cross country flights to Tollerton, I recall it was easy to spot as there was a big Blimp between the runways. I was invited up to the tower to get my form signed.
Yep it’s a funny little place 😁
What an in depth review, thanks for that, stonking !!!!
Very very useful vidéo ! i learned things here being just a FS simmer, i like very much this plane in MSFS, thanks very much for this superb analysis.
Great video from a pro.Much appriciated.
Amazing review!! Thanks so much!
Great review and fascinating history of the Arrow. Just finished a design feature endorsement (CSU / retract) in the Arrow in just under 5 hours. Really impressed by the fidelity of the cockpit vs the aircraft I’ve just flown. Will buy.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome review! Thank you.
Excellent review, bought it and looking forward to test it!
Enjoy!
I have watched a few reviews of the Just Flight Arrow III and this is by far the best. I have held a PPL and have a rating on the Arrow III. The aeroplane that I flew with the Wellington Aero Club was ZK-EIF.
The other reviewers are not real pilots and you can note with ease.
Watched this and bought the plane lol. Great review. It actually feels the same as a real Piper Arrow, bit sluggish. I did my CPL in this plane and miss flying it quite a bit. So glad i can now do it on my sim for now. thx and happy flying!
Loved the video. Subscribed!
Thanks!
Nice video, great review, I’m not one of those that has to own or download everything for MSFS but I’m going to buy this plane
Love going low and slow
Me too. Probably the only payware aircraft I'll ever buy apart from maybe a study level Cessna and or possibly a glider/ hang glider or microlight. Hell a real live wing flapping condor or vulture would be something of my dreams.
Grand video I must say and deffo would like to get this Aeroplane
Enjoying this plane I bought today and using a Honeycomb Alpha Yoke and Bravo throttle quadrant with MFG Crosswind V3 pedals makes it so much better.
The Honeycomb stuff is great, I could definitely go for some better rudder pedals though. Makes a big difference in the experience!
Thank you for this detailed review! I bought the model based on it, and I'm enjoying it as much as you do. The idle RPM appears to be fixed in the meantime - it is between 700 and 800 RPM now. I find the aircraft easy to flare and grease the landing - it's a matter of pulling the stick/yoke really far back because it does feel heavy, like you say.
They’re working on a flight model update for it at the moment, so the handling should be even better soon. Glad you’re enjoying it.
Great! I think that the custom livery means only that you can add your own registration number via the MSFS option in the flight menu.
Great review. I have always had a soft spot for the Arrow and I can see now why it is priced where it is.
Yep, it’s a bit more expensive but I do think it’s worth it for the accuracy and attention to detail.
Great presentation, reassuring to know performance aspects “ on the money”, re roll incident on auto pilot, we’re you aware heading hold mode was still on I noticed also still selected after shutdown whilst you did your conclusion.
Really good review thank you, I have this aircraft having purchased more or less on release after doing some home work on UA-cam etc etc.
I learnt to fly in Cherokee 180 so happy memories the airline I worked for had three in staff flying club - Britannia Airways who I joined in 1969!
Thanks again and cheers Charlie.
Thanks for the kind words! I played about before I recorded this and couldn’t get the roll issue to go away with any combination of AP switches! It just seemed to go away on its own after a bit of hand flying 🤷🏻♂️ Thankfully the recent 2.0 update has gotten rid of it as far as I can tell, and the autopilot is now just as good (or bad 😂) as the real one.
Britannia, wow! I took my first commercial flight on a Britannia 76 to Greece when I was two years old - probably the thing that set me on the path to training as a pilot myself!
Great video and review
'VH' is the Australian registration identifier. The rudder trim: I was told that you can use this when flying manually to keep the aircraft on course when wind is trying to push you off it (to relieve leg pressure) or there is an imbalance in the aeroplane. I have used in simulations and found that it works.
You can use the rudder trim for lots of things, cancelling rudder pressure in a long climb, trimming out yaw at various cruise speeds etc etc. I just never touch in in the real plane as I find it to be an absolute nightmare to re-align!
That is the first time I have ever watched a You Tube video lasting more than 1 hour 27 minutes. Simply rivetting. Thank you very much for your outstanding presentation and explanations of the aircraft and it's systems. I have the TDS GTN750Xi installed in my PA28 (and A2A Piper Comanche 250) and it would be brilliant if you could review either a/c with that Nav kit?
Thank you for the very kind words! I have a Comanche review up but I think I used the WT G530. I use the PMS GTN750 in a lot of my videos, but I don’t actually have the TDN version as well as I don’t have unlimited funds! The operation of the two is very similar though.
Make sure the AP isn't messing with the rudder trim. I found that to be the case on several planes, it would keep rolling when I turned AP off. It's a MSFSism more than anything.
VH- is the Australian prefix. VH-SGE is, funnily enough, the very aircraft I passed my CPL skills test in last month - though the panel has recently had the AH and HSI replaced by G5s recently.
If JF can include G5 variants, that'd be much appreciated aha
I also fly VH-SGE, I noticed some differences between the Arrow III and the real SGE, there is no yellow light amongst the landing gear lights. I have requested JF to return the original config of just a 430 but doubt they will. I will be back in SGE hopefully in the next week or two. Need someone to create the skin for it as the RVAC livery is lovely.
the more videos i watch for the just flight piper arrow, the more and more glad I feel that I didn't buy carenado's. not to take away from carenado's work but dude, this one is just so good.
Yeah this one is certainly the more ‘in depth’ version.
Awesome - thanks - as a C152 pilot I learned a lot from that
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi! Thanks for a great review; I was very much interested in what you're about to say.
One thing you didn't mention, though; what's your yoke sensitivity settings? Some say it should be linear?
You mentioned ground handling and reducing the rudder sensitivity. I did that by reducing the 'Reactivity' almost to a zero to get a delayed, sluggish, ' hydraulics like ' behaviour. How about you? (I have 25 years old CH set)
Thanks for the kind words! I have the ailerons set fully linear but a very slight reduced sensitivity curve in the elevator axis. I’ll have to try that with my pedals, sounds good! I just put more of a curve in them so you require more deflection in the real world than before to achieve effective rudder authority. I have the Thrustmaster pedals, which are good but could do with being a bit heavier to mirror the real world better!
Excellent video! I was able to follow your every step. Is it something about the engine on this aircraft why it does not need to have cowl flaps?
It’s because the cooling is sufficient without them! The Arrow does have a lot more scoops and louvres in the cowling than the Cherokee/Warrior though, so these must keep the larger engine sufficiently cool without the added complexity and weight of moving cowl flaps.
Great video, incredibly informative. Any chance of a video about the emergency gear extension. I tried to follow steps online however I could not get this to work. Not sure why but I’d love to give it a go
It’s on my to do list, don’t worry!
Thanks for a very entertaining flight . I wondered how your honeycomb yoke coped with the arrow, mine won't work properly.
The switches didn’t seem to work properly, but the flight controls felt excellent. Something for them to work on I guess!
@@FlyFromHome This will be fixed in the next update, coming in just a few days
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Great video!! Is the beacon light supposed to be ON before starting the engine? :)
Yes, it is a warning the aircraft is running or about to start.
@@edwardsp1916 right.. Because I didn't seem to notice it turned on before startup in this video... Was it? lol
No, I missed it! Must have gotten distracted talking about things. I did, however, put the nav lights on before start, which are often all you have on light aircraft to indicate that it’s under power and about to start. Good catch though 😜
Re the rudder trim wheel, because my twisty rudder control is very twitchy I use it for crossed controls landings in strong crosswinds. With 500' to go, for every 3° of crab angle I apply 5° of opposite trim, so for say 9° crab I apply trim, quickly counting "and 1, and 2, and 3", banking slightly in to the wind. It's quite effective. Note that the recommended max crosswind component is 17 kts. I've successfully landed with a max crab angle of 15°.
Good to hear it comes in useful for you! In the real plane it’s more to do with trimming straight at different cruise speeds, but I don’t usually bother with it!
@@FlyFromHome I use it for that as well.
I also use small twisty rudder inputs if neccesary just at touchdown with my 'crossed controls' method.
I used to think it must be annoying to always need to apply rudder in aircraft without trim (eg, Me109E), but when you drive a car you're always pressing on the accelerator pedal!
I noted you said that you don't really lean the mix in the Turbo, you just vary the fuel flow.
Does this mean you don't need to worry about engine damage by 'leaning' at high power above 75% unless its normally aspirated?
BTW I found I had to start leaning (@75%) today over the Alps @ 9500'/temp +6C/29.94"). But as you said, MSFS doesn't model this very well.
Started to ice up in cloud above 11000', so came down a bit.Then I damaged my gear in a bounced landing at Courchevel - can hardly discern the runway in 'real world' weather, ie snowy in summer!
It’s actually quite a complex subject re. leaning in fuel injected/turbo aircraft. Most injected aircraft, turbo or not, are ‘altitude compensated’, which means they adjust mixture for you to a degree as you climb. You use the red lever to fine-tune the fuel you’re feeding into the engine to achieve a best power/efficiency setting (with help from the EGT gauge), usually once you’re at your cruise altitude. FS2020 doesn’t seem to quite work properly in this respect yet though, so you’ll likely find yourself having to lean out with altitude above 10k or so, as if you were using a normally aspirated, carburetted engine.
@@FlyFromHome Ta for that. I got mixed up watching several of your vids. Of course the fuel injection operation is the same whether turbo, or not. It dawned on me right after I'd asked the question!
Keep posting vids!
I flew this plane in real life and have the x-plane version and I can say that the takeoff and the way it "sits on-air" in downwind match perfectly my real experience with the real plane, for me it's a must-have, more in MSFS because the difference with the stocks planes it's a real difference for flight model and experience.
Yep it really changed the experience of playing MSFS for me. Huge jump in realism over the standard planes.
Good review thanks. One question though, when the DG becomes out of synch with the magnetic compass, how do you synch them up again? Cheers and TIA
With the ‘traditional’ DI selected on the IPad, you use the little knob just to the side of the instrument. The HSI is mechanically slaved to the compass so shouldn’t need any adjustment, although in real life there’s always a little toggle where you can make fine adjustments if needed or disconnect the slaving.
@@FlyFromHome thanks for that.
Just caught your review ..what a great indepth detailed review ...well done 😀👍. ,i would also say well done to Just flight!
Only one criticism/ comment is ... i think its not a great idea to review gfx and interior details inside the MSFS Hanger due to the lighting contrasts , shame because thats at the start of the review and is where first impressions are formed.
Thanks for the advice!
"notice as soon as it starts I threw the fuel mixture forward' The aircraft will NOT start until you throw the fuel mixture forward, maybe that is normal for fuel injected aircraft? Sorry, I am accustomed to carbureted aircraft. I did find this video very informative, thank you, you have earned a subscriber.
Nope, injected aircraft *should* kick into life before you put the fuel flow in, just using the fuel you primed it with. It’ll stop pretty quickly though so you have to have fast hands to shove the fuel in as soon as it kicks over! If you leave the mixture/fuel flow up, it floods the engine as you're cranking!
THIS is the review I've been waiting for. Personally, I think right now I'm going to hold off.
I think my *biggest* complaint with most of the default aircraft in MSFS is that they went gung-ho on the G1000 and modern avionics which is such a rarity in anything but high end flight school aircraft. most of the time you'll be flying a warrior or cherokee or 150/152/172 with avionics from the 70's. so it's nice to see that JF went with an actual GA aircraft and avionics you'd see as opposed to slapping a G1000 in there or something stupid.
Only thing holding this back, IMO, is the freaking G430/G530. MSFS2020's implementation of it is atrocious. If I were a garmin rep, I'd be contacting them and complaining every day, and/or offering support, as the Garmin name being on that piss poor representation of it would piss me off. Every sim has worked out a half-decent implementation of the G430/530, there's no reason they should be going back to the stone age and reinventing the wheel here. I know they are working on it, but IMO that should be priority #1, is getting that thing working like it should. there's SO many missing features and functions that should be working that don't. Don't even get me started on how broken the GPS approaches are...
I agree, although I do think there are some other issues right now (performance issues, ILS bugs, real-time weather bugs, inability to model weather radars etc) that could do with some attention first. The default Garmins are getting a little better every patch, so fingers crossed they’ll be a good simulation of the real thing eventually!
Truly excellent and comprehensive review. Any comments on frame rate in view of all the functionality.
The only frame rate issues I was getting were related to the last sim update. Since that’s been fixed the Arrow is just as smooth as the default aircraft, so no issues there in my book!
I've found that with Texture Resolution set to Medium, the stickers and writing on the dash are quite blurry, even though they're sharp in every other aircraft, including the default ones. I had to set Texture Resolution to High and restart MSFS to make them clear.
Interesting! I have everything set to ultra in my game so I guess I missed out on that little bug.
I think that's fixed with the 0.2.0 update.
@@jockinafrock Yep, I'm loving it now with the latest update. VR flying is a joy.
Thanks for the review. I have both Just Flight Arrows in Xplane 11 but wan't offered a discount on purchase. Cost me $A60. It is non the less a good aircraft. Agree with the textures comment. That was the only area I was disappointed with.
That’s disappointing, not sure why some would get a discount and not others 🤔
Do the OBS of the HSI and/or VOR indicator only move in increments of 10 degrees? That's not quite handy when you'd like to follow a radial of 046 for example.
It’s a bug caused by my Honeycomb yoke switches - happens on every plane in the game. If I debound all the switches it would be fine.
@@FlyFromHome Thanks, buying it today!
haven't finished your video yet (half done) but I already have pretty many notes on the book right here.
will follow up the remaining parts, and just want to let u know that this's really helpful to a learner like me... pls show us more as a pro.
There’ll be more on the way for sure 😄
@@FlyFromHome Hi my instructor, kinda feel good to just purchased my Arrow III from just flight, and here is a quick question if you don't mind - have u ever experienced that this thing keeps rolling to the left after taking off, at kinda any power setting?
Originally I doubt that I've a fussy input axis on stick, but when I switch to a stock C172 and input works well as always.
Possibly a rudder trim issue or something to do with the autopilot? Make sure your plane is up to date too, since they’ve sorted some bugs out regarding things like this since initial release.
@@FlyFromHome hmm... it's not a rudder trim issue since I checked that at first, then I found out if I put a co-pilot which weight 160lbs, it could somehow fly straight ahead. Or 170lbs? automatically turns to the right, again.
Strange! Have you tried tweaking the rudder trim in the opposite direction of the roll to balance it out?
N00b question: I've seen a few of your vids and I've noticed that when you check the controls, you never check the rudder pedals. An IRL habit I guess, are they not to be checked also ? Thx
Piper aircraft have a solid connection between the rudder and nose wheel steering, so you can’t check the rudder while standing still. I tend to check rudder travel while taxiing round corners on the ground 😁
@@FlyFromHome Oh I see, thanks.
Bought this 2 weeks ago and it's a majority of what i fly i nthe sim. Just wish the external textures were more up to par with even the default planes.
Apparently it’s something to do with the ‘weathered’ appearance being harsher on frame rates, so they have to dial back the resolution in some areas where they think people don’t pay too much attention 🤷🏻♂️
Apparently, the Arrow III has a rudder trim due to its big 200HP engine generating a lot of torque and p factor which can tire the left leg quickly. At least that is what I got as answer when asking the very same question.
PFactor is adverse yaw which causes the aircraft to yaw to the opposite side or prop rotation. In this case the raw is left inducing and this is counted with the right leg
@@aileronsintowind6835 In other words, not the left but the right leg would tire under the stress. Makes sense to me.
That would make sense, although it doesn’t explain why the little 160hp Warrior gets it too! It also makes sense on the arrow since it can cruise at quite a wide range of speeds.
@@FlyFromHome many aircraft developed are done so with the p factor factored into the rudder for when at cruise Set up I don’t believe piper ever did this ( extra costs no doubt ) and this would create increased fatigue on pilots constantly applying pressure to the peddles to stay co-ordinated, it was also designed as competitive aircraft against the Cessna, have a rudder trim is an excellent advantage in that region especially in the four seater class. Mooney and the 182 Cessna both came with rudder trims ( the Mooney really needed it ) so it may be just a market theme at a guess,
similar to the emergency gear deployment system which before they released the kits for operated irrespective and unfortunately cost a few lives when it deployed when engine failure occurred and the pilots weren’t expecting it.
Thank god for yaw dampers on modern aircraft
Either way both a speculative as I’m not a designer and this was designed and certified before I was even conceived but it’s a joy to fly and will hopefully get better.
The turbo arrow I use on Xplane11 a lot and that’s very similar in the taxi phase so I am to wonder if it’s not all msfs in that case but a bit of both.
I am sure they will get the ground speeds set and after the update fix the broken magnetic compass
Great video though and thank you I don’t have many hours in the pa28 arrow so nice to see a CFI review it and fly it by the numbers
@@FlyFromHome The Warrior may not have a rudder trim wheel, but it has rudder trimming. Most single-engine ones with not so much power have the manually adjustable fin in the rudder tab itself where adjustments can, and should be, made. Multi-engine aircraft and single-powered ones with a wider power spectrum on the other hand have the convenience of an adjustable rudder trim wheel because the necessity to readjust is higher. At least that is what I have been told now...
Thanks a lot for great and very interesting tutorial. I'm just starting off with PA28, flew it about 5 hours total. Before that my favorite was Cessna 172 steam gauges, TBM 930, BC Bonanza 63Turbo. I really like PA28, read trough the whole manual, watched videos and learnt the checklists by heart, but I have a question. Aircraft performance... Tried to flew LFMN-NIZ-TOP-VANAS-LFLJ (Nice to Courchevel). I needed to bypass the mountains about 100FL, but even in summer time (warm, no icing) it just can't go over 8000ft. The manifold pressure at 8000 is 22 with lean to 35% mixture, and with the RPM 2300 or even 2600 it is loosing altitude and stalls. But when I tried to fly to Lukla from the near airport, it sucessfuly flyes over a mountain where 172 compleately sucks and fails to gain altitude. So it is more powerful, 200hp vs 150hp of Cessna.
So the question is. Why with the ceiling of 15000ft it can reach max 8000ft?
If I read ODM chart correctly "gear up climbing performance" it should climb 400ft/m at 10deg C at 8000ft at 90Knots (page 8), but not stalling at 0 vertical speed. PS. The pilot's weight 220, 1st pilot's 180, passanger's 80, baggage 100, fuel 60% which all makes it 70% of allowed weight. The chart indicates 100% weight of 2750lb for this performance.
Also what would you suggest if icing occures? at Alternate air, max tgrottle and RPM, hot air and air flow max, descent and maybe drop the speed to the minimum, so the wind cooles the airframe less?
PS. Will update.
Just tested before the mountains start. It behaves as in the cart! -5C deg, a bit less weight of 2500Lb, 2600 RPM but mexture lean (they say it is rich) and it climbs at 400 ft/m. But if in the mountains the performance dramatically drops.
I managed to raise it to 11700 to make Vspeed = 0 before the mountains. And in Aplps I had to go to 10000 and even less to keep the Vspeed = 0. And I see how the the plain flies with its nows raised up a lot. Why? Thin air?
I’ve honestly not tried dragging it up that high, but I expect that a lot of what you are experiencing are bugs surrounding how piston aircraft perform at high altitude in MSFS right now. IRL you’d set 25 inches and 2500 RPM with the fuel flow full forward and keep advancing the throttle every 1000ft until you hit the stops (usually at around 4k feet). It’s a fuel injected aircraft remember, so ‘leaning’ isn’t really something you should have to do - just pull the fuel flow back to the appropriate figure for your MAP setting at the top of climb. That said, I don’t think the sim properly models this behaviour yet.
The icing procedure we would use is stay out of icing conditions 😂. But if you did encounter them you’d want to get out ASAP. Turn around, reverse your course and descend to your calculated minimum safe altitude, ensuring that your pitot heat is on, your windscreen heat is blowing and your alternate air intake is open. You actually want to be flying a little faster, as icing will increase your stall speed.
Nose high attitude is usually CofG or just low IAS!
@@FlyFromHome Thank you a lot for such a detailed explanation! It is really helpful and gives answers to lots of my questions.
For the icing it seems a golden rule to keep out of icing indeed)
BTW, would you dare to fly Cessna 172 or Piper Pa28 to Courchevel through the mountains with its performance? I know single engines are not recommended for flying over the sea or mountains in terms of if engine fails there are no chances whilst 2 engine airplain have 2 times more chances. So if not taking that in mind, just in terms of performance.
Honestly for that kind of thing I’d much prefer the security of two engines! Or at least a turbo aircraft with good high altitude performance and some crew oxygen. Twins generally have better performance than singles at altitude though, if that’s all you’re considering.
@@FlyFromHome Thank you. It is what I asked. Trying to understand the applicability of the single engine aircrafts and its limitations. So will consider some Beechcraft Baron for such flights.
Thanks for the review. I am very-very tempted to get this plane, just a bit afraid of the performance hit with all those beautifull textures and modelled systems.
I actually notice barely any FPS hit compared to the default planes. It’s very well optimised!
@@FlyFromHome That is great news. Do you know if that goes for the Warrior 2 as well?
Yep, they all run very well for me.
@@FlyFromHome Thanks a lot.
@@FlyFromHome One more question. Is that inhibitor below the throttle, is that a type of rudder trim?
Bought it last night. I’m pleased to know AP trying to kill me is it doing what it’s supposed to and not something I did wrong. Heh.
Yeah it’s not great! Most Arrows in real life just have it removed or disabled. Some are lucky and have a more modern one installed.
Looks really great, I hope they do a Warrior II version as this is what I used to fly IRL, so variable prop and fuel injection is a bit of a black art to me, obviously adding the retractable undercrart is pretty simple as it was still in checklists I was used to (down, bolted and welded). Thank you for a great review.
You're in for a treat, they're about to release the Warrior II
Hello. In your opinion, what is the best just flight Piper for MSFS 2020? Thank you
They’re all good in my opinion. The Arrows are more suited to long distance cruising if that’s your kind of thing. The Warrior is more basic and easier to learn if that appeals to you more.
@@FlyFromHome Thank you so much!!
This or the upcoming turbo version? Thanks.
Personal preference I guess! Turbo will perform better at altitude if you’re into mountain flying. JF have said there will be a discount on the turbo for all owners of the regular Arrow, FYI.
God I with they would put this version on the Xbox
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I flew a 1977 Arrow III and it got 139 knots indicated at around 3500 feet.
Yeah some aircraft are better performers than others and lots have been modified over the years. Our Arrow II often hits 150 indicated when the mood takes it 😆
Waiting to see if yours does what mine does, click on "recharge battery", and it discharges the battery instead
I have to admit I haven’t actually pushed that button yet 😂 I’ll have a play with it and see what it does...
@@FlyFromHome Following the documents tells you to press it after showing you the preflight check. It drains it to 8 volts, which luckily doesn't prevent you from cranking the engine and recharging it. Also I noticed the breaker for the NAV lights doesn't work. Also I didn't seem to be able to switch the HSI to work off of NAV2 by flipping the switch but maybe I did something wrong. ALSO, my GPS100 never comes out of self test mode! Hope they fix these things. Great review!
Automatic gear extension sounds like a good idea. I'm no expert but isn't a belly landing GAME OVER for an airframe?
Not necessarily, I’ve flown aircraft that have been repaired after gear up landings! As good as it might sound to have an automatic system, there are some major shortcomings. Better to train yourself into checking on final approach before every landing!
@@FlyFromHome I also never realized how terrifying stalls are.
Ohhh they’re not that bad 😋
I bought the plane in an attempt to learn a bit in a decent plane. So watch content such as this to try to assist. It’s more my issue not really understanding the basics, but it’s confusing to me when you start setting throttle in inches (make no sense to an engineer!) and then mixture getting set to gallons per hr. obviously in both cases the sim has a percentage value. I guess numbers quoted will refer to one of the instruments.
No worries! You use the aircraft intake manifold air pressure to set the throttle, so when I’m referring to ‘inches’ I’m actually referring to the inches of mercury that the MAP gauge is calibrated in. The fuel flow is helpfully part of the same instrument also, and reads in gallons per hour. The instrument can be tricky to spot as it’s partially obscured by the pilot’s yoke, so I recommend clicking on the yoke to hide it when you want to read the instrument.
As someone who sounds very interested in sim GA airplanes, it's surprising that you haven't mentioned A2A at all. Have you heard of them?
I have heard their name mentioned, but I’ve never tried any of their products. Honestly my interest in GA sim aircraft is fairly recent. I used to mostly use flight sim to practice flying heavy stuff before we started this channel, but losing my first airline job soured that experience a lot! I’m thankful that my eyes have been opened to some of these great little planes though.
@@FlyFromHome Well, you missed quite the experience with A2A, as they are to GA planes what PMDG is to airliners. They are currently working on releasing the Piper Comanche 250 for MSFS. Timing is still unknown. But as good as the JF Arrow is, when the A2A Comanche comes out it will be a whole different level of simulation.
I expect them to bring their realistic walkaround + failures + maintenance system to MSFS. Their addons require walkarounds to check for things like water in fuel, oil level, control surfaces and linkages, and pitot and static port blockages. You can get all sorts of failures, like broken clevis pins that allow bolts to work loose that will eventually lead to an inflight failure. You also need to change the oil from time to time, like in real life. Lots of work, yes, but their goal is to not only simulate the experience of flying the plane, but also what it's like owning one.
Oh wow, that sounds pretty intense! Well I completed my CPL in a Comanche about eight years ago and absolutely loved the real thing, so I’ll definitely give this a go when it releases. Thanks for the heads up!
@@FlyFromHome It's available for P3D if you can't wait :D
Is all this jerkiness on the controls because of how heavier and more precise real rudder pedals and yokes are or is this JF Arrow so twitchy ?
It’s probably my rubbish flying to be honest 😂
Real aircraft controls are both a lot heavier and have a much bigger range of movement than average home sim ones, so it can be hard to translate the proper ‘feel’. I think the JF aircraft do a good job of approximating the real aircraft’s handling.
Wheres home? Mine is cyxx.
Not the best landings I've ever seen...
Agreed! They don’t always come out perfect in real life either 😂
Brilliant review Thank you, I watched this and had a bit of a reality meets virtual moment. I follow Plane old Ben on you tube and well let's just say G-TEBZ Features quite heavily in his past 😉
Yes it does get around a bit that plane 😂