Can the 7.3 tow 17k? Ford 7.3 Gas towing 17k on a conventional equipment trailer.
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We take the 2023 F350 7.3 gas with 3.73 gears for a ride with my orange line 17500 gvwr equipment trailer and Kubota kx057-5. The combination should weigh about 17k and its on a conventional hitch. The new truck handled it well. We compare it to my past truck, a 2019 F250 6.7 powerstroke with 3.55 gears - Розваги
Great video. I've been impressed with my F-350 7.3l with 4.30 gears so far. It tows great and rides better than a 1 ton has a right to.
I wish 4.30’s were on the lot but all of them were stx 350’s in different colors. Its good enough for my daily driver that i can fill in with to work. But i do recommend people get the 4.30’s but you can see the 3.73’s hold their own and you do use most of your gears. I wouldnt want any less
Thank you for watching!
If you use a weight distribution hitch it will put the weight back on the front axle and level the squat out. I pull a 36 foot travel trailer and it’s night and day difference between towing with or without a weight distribution hitch. The other thing it helps with tremendously is with sway control.
I didn't watch the whole video but tongue weight should be mentioned
You are spot on with the ballast effect
I have never felt that before but my dump trailer and the big mini are a new addition. Iv been towing 10-12k since i could drive. Heck i was backing those trailers into my dads shop and around the parking lot as soon as i could reach peddles. But a fully loaded dump trailer and the mini back there are some serious weights and you do feel it. I had my 6.7 for almost 5 years so that trucks mannerisms are very much locked in my memory. It never reared, or fronted up like that.
I was just recovering some deer from some moist ground tonight, it was nice having the lighter weight of the gas engine up front. So there is a trade off for everything. I know the 6.7 would have had dug a bit more where i floated over the top layer tonight. There is a pro and a con to everything, thats why we have options. I just trying and articulate what those options are and what they are best at. My viewers seam to like that
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 I notice towing heavy with our gas trucks they bounce and buck a lot more than the diesels. Granted they are a bit shorter configurations then the gas trucks but the diesel definitely handles in a more planted stable manner
@@Tdaz250 i tell you what with this 4 door short bed i felt it right away. I literally moved 100 yards as you saw. I will say i dont really think this is a big deal 10k and under. Even 11 ish. But after that you can feel it. I had about 4 yards of millings in my dump trailer. Im expecting that to be at or near the 10 ish k of payload my trailer has. So lets say it was in total around 14. I felt it there too. I think it was a bit over that. The guy was loading pretty generously with a backhoe lol
I went from towing with 2500 Cummins 4th gen to 6.4 gas 5th gen noticed right away diesel brings stability and the Cummins is very heavy
@@angrybeavers1175 i have an 03 cummins and my dad has a 2016 g56. Totally get it. They are heavy. And i really think the ballast actually helps at this weight. Sub 12k doesnt matter over that im noticing it.
Doesnt change my opinion of the 7.3 though. It gets it done
Motor makes 400ft lbs at 1500rpm and 450 at 2500rpm. Contrary to popular belief you don’t have to rev it to the sky for it to move weight. My 2020 pulls great.
You for sure do not. I really like the 7.3 for this reason. Its a great multi personalty truck
Pretty sure I can see the fuel gauge dropping during the 25min video, lol. I have a 22 tremor. Was hauling some road mix in the dump trailer last week, weighed in at about 18k (bumper pull), I would say the engine was adequate, trans shifting in tow mode could use some love.
Probably was lol. Cant expect too much from a gas engine fuel economy wise but power wise it was great. I never really got on it. I was really using part throttle because i didnt need anymore so its going to try and upshift early. All you have to do is give it more throttle and it will run the gears up more.
Works great for a gas engine i love it
Just got a 24 350 crew cab dually with 7.3, first 100 miles was rough, but once the suspension broke in ride has been good and impressed with the engine
Have you put much weight behind it? What gears? Now that i own a 7.3 im more intrigued about a drw 7.3
@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 3.73 gears, I haven't put much wieght, just hauled a couple 1000 in bed
I ordered a CC, Dually, Lariet ,F350 7.3 4.30 gears, right after Xmas , got it in the end of Feb. Love it rides great, way better than the 19, 6.2, CC ,SW I traded in.🍻
@@Spitter-ud8jd after owning this im way more interested in a dually 7.3. I think it would be surprisingly capable
I have a '22 F350 with the 7.3L and 4.30 axle to tow our 14k GVWR 5th wheel camper. It is a very good combo, and I live in NH with hills. I will say, probably the reason you did not have the overloads engage with your trailer is because it is a bumper pull. My camper will just engage the overload springs when hooked up, so if you had a goose-neck trailer to pull you equipment with you will most likely engage them then. Also I don't experience the loose drive axle you did, probably again because of the weight distribution on the truck with the bumper pull. But overall, yes a fun truck to drive either will a heavy trailer or without. 😀
I ordered a 24 king ranch f350 7.3 srw with 430’s to tow a 42ft 14,5 dry 5’ver.
The ford was basically my only option in gas. I’m hoping it will be enough truck for the camper. We tow about 12-18 times a year
@@vincew.6905 how does it tow?
@@kevinmcquitery4543had to
Put 1k in prior to towing - just hit the 1k marker. Will be towing soon!
been torn on wether to build a 350 with the 7.3 or get a 450 with the dually, im young, but i got the a plan i work in ford. im impressed with the gas use under the weight you used. i plan on gettin a trailer and going on trips down south from ohio to alabama a few times a year and i got a dirtbike track and i rent excavators like you got for my little track at the back of my dads property. just want to make the right choice, i cant really tell if the gas engine seems any more repairable than the diesel, it seems like alot of people can get parts for diesels for a long time thats really what worries me about the 7.3 is longevity and repairability. thanks for the info very well informative on both sides
Im pretty handy with a gas engine. Modern diesels ill happily send to a pro with proper diagnostic scanners. So i decided my daily as a 7.3 was a good fit. Older diesels im good with. The mass of electronics on like a new 6.7 require a very expensive scan tool for proper diagnostics and i dont own one. The cost to keep them up to date is crazy too. So my theory is bring he modern diesel to a diesel mechanic and im mot afraid at all to replace the 7.3 myself some down the road if need be.
I really like the 7.3 it really is impressive but the 450 will be so much more stable. I ordered a 24 f450 with a HO, just a XL model. Total work truck, rubber floors and cloth seats.
If i wasnt going to get a 450, i still would need to daily drive and park in small places. Id get the exact same truck i got, stx 4 door short bed but with the 6.7 Ho.
Insurance is going to be a lot higher with a 450 versus a 350
@@djdj-qx3hb i just called with a vin from a similar truck and it was going to add 34 dollars/ month to my normal policy. So if its more expensive enough for it to matter
Do you ever wish you had the 4.30 gears?
Nice video i love my 7.3. What is the programer for?
Just a banks data monster. I had it and a derringer on my previous 6.7 powerstroke. Most of the functions dont work, i need to call banks and see if there is an update for the 2023 fords. I wanted to monitor engine oil temp, trans oil, air intake temp and voltage but i cant get most of those right now.
Maybe i can make that call today thanks for reminding me lol
Thanks for watching!
Very cool! -- QUESTION -- Just a question about CDL.. I don't have one but want to tow a 57-5 (like yours) from one of our properties to another. This is NONE commercial. Do I need a CDL for that if it is not commercial? How does it work in Michigan as best as you can tell?
@Coleen_West I've done a lot of research on this so I'll try to answer your question. Find the published GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) for your truck, and for your trailer. Add those two numbers together. If the total of those two numbers is above 26,000lbs, you need a CDL to even hook the trailer up to your truck, even if you aren't towing any cargo at all. I know that sounds ridiculous, but that is how it works. You could have a total weight of 12,000lbs with your truck and the trailer you're pulling, and you would be in violation of the law if the GVWR of the trailer pushes the combination above 26,000lbs. This is why some people choose to "de-rate" their trailer GVWR on paper if they don't need to actually tow that much weight.
Separately, if the actual combined weight of your truck and trailer + cargo is above 26,000lbs, you need a CDL regardless of what the GVWR values are for the two vehicles. You also could be in violation of the law if you are exceeding the GVWR for either the truck or the trailer.
Commercial vs. personal purpose has no bearing on whether you need a CDL for your load or not.
I hope that makes sense. Let's plug in some numbers for your situation:
Let's say your truck weighs 7800lbs and has a GVWR of 11500lbs. Let's say your trailer has a GVWR of 14,000lbs. The total GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) here would be 25,500lbs. That's under 26,000lbs so you would not need a CDL to hook that truck to that trailer, and tow up to the maximum cargo weight on that trailer.
Now let's say you get a bigger trailer with a GVWR of 16,000lbs. The moment you hook that trailer up to your truck (even if the trailer is totally empty), you are required by law to have a CDL to operate that vehicle combination.
I love my 7.3. It has tons of torque where you need it.
My buddy 2015 f350 6.7 single wheel took 2 IBC totes full of oak firewood in bed plus my 14 ft trailer with 4 totes to finally feel it had weight on it and my trailer has no springs under it
Did I miss the information about the 7.3 being tuned ? ( banks ) gage.
Just a monitor. I havent looked into tuning yet. I do know it will need an hp tuners ecu.
Actually i havent looked if banks has anything but a pedal commander for it. Considering these new ecu’s are locked up tight i doubt it.
No tuning, just a monitor and if ill be honest it isnt giving me much info. I need to call banks and find out if they have a new update to get data from this ecu.
Generally i like seeing engine water temp, trans temp, knock retard, air intake temp and total timing and battery voltage. On a gas engine thats what i like. I cant get most of those pid’s as of now.
Thank you for your comment thanks for watching.
Considering this engine runs on regular its spectacular on the stock tune. The trans tune is good, honestly its very logical as is. But performance wise a trans tune would be nice to carry gears longer sporty feel. That wouldnt help fuel economy though. I like that it short shifts and uses the torque
My 300,000 mile 6.2 F250 toes that with service bed
What year, trim and gearing config is yours?
Add some AIr Lift air bags, they will stabilize the truck even more and reduce the trailer tounge from pushing the back of the truck down when you hit the brakes, they made a huge difference on my truck when towing. Before, when I was on bumpy faster pace hwy (65-70 mph) going through a construction area hauling a tractor , my truck would try to bounce a little, which can make the sterring feel loose at times, and after installing the air bags, it totally stabilized the truck and trailer, I highly recommend this.
Agree completely, it would help with the nose coming up when on the brakes.
My point is im towing entirely within the trucks rating, and with good equipment. The truck shouldnt need that upgrade. The overload spring stops should just be in the right place to actually do something.
If i was going to have only this truck for my tow rig i absolutely would do that or timbrens again. This truck is filling in as the tow rig until my 450 shows up, then it will just be my daily and all around truck for camping and hunting and travel and whatever.
I would say those buying. F350 single wheel with a 6.7 or 6.7 HO the should know this is a problem that they should know about before buying it as their tow rig.
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 A load distribution hitch would benefit you more than airbags...especially with conventional towing. Now with a GN/5th wheel that bags can be very beneficial. My 1 ton GMC doesn't need them even at max payload. The overload springs are set up perfect. If the rear is sagging, I am over my 3808 lb payload rating (and tire rating).
@@jeepingcolorado when traversing uneven ground you do want an uneven hitch. I just dont use them. We tried that years ago with sailboat trailers. There was never a benefit just an annoyance. Very little weight is actually put to the front and the rigid hitch causing handing issues on uneven ground. It will get stuck easily off road too because the rear isnt allowed to drop.
Its just not something im going to bother with.
The real issue here is the overload springs basically arent used because the overload rests are mounted too high to engage that spring.
I dont really use air bags because usually they are a bear in the winter and tend to have air leaks. Id rather increase the spring rate of the real spring or run a timbren.
On this truck im running it stock, unchanged for now.
I wanted to alert people to the issue so they knew the sag was something they will either have to accept or modify
Weird. I have never had an issue with my LDH's and off-road. To be honest I have never owned a Ford truck either and some trucks just handle differently.
I do agree that the overload springs perches are too high which is annoying.
I was rather impressed with the 7.3L in my buddies F-350 Tremor. He did the 5 Star Tuning and wow. What a difference in the transmission. Glad you are enjoying yours.
I feel the same way about the overloads. Mine feels like it’s squatting and nowhere near the overloads.
Its like they forgot one small detail. Seams like everyone is under the same consensus. Its a small gripe on an other wise great truck
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 Torklift makes a larger spacer that engages the overloads sooner, google Torklift Stableload.
Thinking about starting hotshot so what’s the length of that trailer
17+ 3 foot dovetail.
Would be slick as hell for hot shot. You could get in some super tight places. But you are going to be at cdl with 17500 gvwr.
You wont find a truck capable to tow 17500 lbs that has a small enough gvwr.
You could get away with a 17 footer with 2 8k axles at 16k gvwr that leaves 10k for the trucks gvwr though im not sure you are going to find a 10k gvwr pickup rated for 16k but you might. I think my last f250 which was 10k rated had a 15800 lbs rated capacity. Could get one derated to 15800 gvwr.
Or you are for sure safe with a 14k trailer if you want to be non cdl.
I love how i can back this short little thing through the woods. No issues moving equipment in tight spaces.
Doesn't matter if you're not for hire. 4 tie-downs minimum for vehicles and equipment over 10,001lbs + 1 for the boom. Federal law.
Interesting that your Tach shows redline around 5300 RPM, my 2021 shows redline right at 6k. Wonder why?
Good question i dont know on that one. If my memory serves me its right at 5500 and i think you are seeing the camera angle. But perhaps because the 6.2 was still being sold in 2021 you have the dash from that? Now in 2023 your only options are 6.8 or 7.3 so they had a new dash in the 2023 update too?
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 I don't think it's the dash, as it uses the same gauges as the diesel, and the C&C trucks with the 7.3 have a lower redline also. I wonder if it's trim related? Strange either way
Thanks. I think 7.3 will be cheaper in long run
Did you have it in tow/haul mode
I forgot to at first. Later in the video i put it in tow haul. The transmission calibration works fine without tow haul. What it mostly does is prolong shift points and hold it out of 10th and usually 9th. Even though the engine can carry 9th and 10th using the normal shift points.
These 23’s have a drive mode knob it it takes some getting used to compared to the button at the end of the shifter. I forget all the time to use tow haul
I had a fool merge onto the interstate in front of me towing a bobcat. Fishtailed and went off the road, rolled
Probably didnt make much effort to check how his trailer reacted to a little swerve. It tells you alot.
Which truck would you buy if you were to buy new ?
Do you want diesel or gas and what are you towing and where are you towing it?
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 towing about 10-12 k ibs in Texas
@@Tom-ds5uk either a f250 or 350 with a 7.3 or a 6.7 would be fine. Single wheel. 3.73 is fine 4.30 might be better except in texas you all have high speed limits so 3.73 might be better fuel economy on highway. If you dont off road another nice truck is the 2024 duramax. I dont care for the 6.6 gas but they did nice things with the new l5p.
Any of those would be great trucks. If its a 250 get the higher payload/ towing package
I haul a 21500k gooseneck with 3 pulling tractors on it with my 22 f350 6.7. You cant even tell its on there, it holds 73 on the interstate easily. Im thinking of getting a 7.3 but unsure if its too much for the 7.3 with 4.30s.......anyone haul this much ?
You will feel it back there. On flat land the 7.3 tows really well but you are going to know its back there and even a small hill is going to require you to give it a foot full to hold your speed and at 21500 lbs behind you, you probably wont hold your speed.
Its a great gas engine but it doesnt compare to a 6.7. For your uses if get a new 6.7.
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 thanks for the reply. I had a feeling that might be too much for it. My 6.7 does it with ease.
@@davidleighton5701 i specifically got my truck for a daily driver. Im happy to find out it does admirably. But its no 6.7. I traded in my 2019 6.7 that i had paid off and get this guy for a very small loan and have a f450 with a 6.7 HO on order. If i couldnt get the 450 i wouldnt have even considered gas but im happy i had the option to get this truck. I really like it. The same truck with a 6.7 HO would be a real dream truck though. But i think air bags would be a good investment if your single wheel truck was going to be your main tow rig. They put the overload perches way too high on these and they basically have 6 inches of squat before they touch the overload springs lol. I think someone measured wrong
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 I put Timbrens on my srw f350 which works well but I may invest in air bags.
@@davidleighton5701 agreed i had timbrens on my 250 they were great. Its funny this 350 squats way worse than my 250 ever did but its very clear the truck has more rear suspension travel and way better ride. But i think the overloads should engage sooner
What’s the fuel mileage towing ? Empty?
If have to tow this specific set up several hundred miles more to say for sure. What i can see is about 8.
I have a 16x7 enclosed trailer tall enough for a side by side that we hunt out of and camp out of. Its light but it has alot of windage. Iv towed that about 1300 miles now and i struggle to get 10.8.
Its really more about wind on flat land. The excavator and heavy trailer actually tows better than that enclosed trailer
What is You're fuel mileage not towing on freeway
Depends on the speed. Where i live its 55 everywhere so i get 15.4-16.8 depending on how often in slowing down and i idle at all.
But freeway speeds 65 empty about 14.7-15.4. 70 is about mid 14’s and 70 low 14’s. 75 it dips to 13.8 ish but that depends too. I can still maintain 14 at 75 if i do very little stopping with no wind or hills and if i can maintain a constant speed. No passing
Do you use tow haul
Later in the the video i do switch to tow haul. Either way the trans takes care of itself very well. Tow haul holds gears longer regardless of throttle position. Sometimes a bit too long and it more or less locks our 9th and 10th unless you get going pretty quick even if you can hold speed easily with that load in 9th without tow/ haul on.
On this truck tow haul is on the rotary dial not the end of the shifter
Is that seriously the xl work truck foam steering wheel?
Thats a stx. Which is one baby step up from xl. It is the stock wheel. Is it similar to the higher trim trucks? I seam to remember its the same profile as the higher trim truck with just a fake leather wrap stitched on
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 awe, makes sense now. Thought it was an xlt or lariat…
The leaf springs are different. They look the same, however, the spring rates are higher in the F350 than the F250. It’s more about physics and handling and you don’t feel it in daily driving. The overloads are also different. Steel doesn’t have to be or look different. It’s about how the steel is formed and shaped. You even mentioned the squat with your setup! 17k is close to max on the f250.
This is a 350 and it does squat a good bit because the overloads dont hit until its squatted big time. I havent seen the part numbers between the leafs but historically a single rear 350 and 250 have the same leaf pack besides the over load. Just as the drw 350 and 450 are said to have the same leaf pack. Its the running gear that differentiates them. Wheels tires brakes and axles.
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4Ive actually went and looked at f250 vs f350 leaf packs. F250 tremor uses f350 srw leaf packs. They are absolutely completely different my man. Compare a f250 crew cab short bed vs a f350 crew cab short bed both same engine, the payload capacity is over a 1000 pound difference. That's in 2020-2022 trucks. Now I seen a 2024 f350 crew short bed 7.3 on auto trader either 3.73 or 4.30 which doesn't effect payload but either way, payload sticker showed 4014 pounds. That's very impressive for a short bed srw 7.3 AND it was a fully loaded lariat as well not a base model with limited options. I really don't ever talk to guys having issues with an overload spring. However those guys are towing goosenecks that transfer the weight better than a bumper pull. Also if your trailer was a feet longer and you were to position that mini excavators rear right on the axles I bet it wouldn't squat as much. Most people, not saying this situation, try to get as much weight close to the tongue which is dumb. Your mini excavator is sitting right where you need it however a longer trailer would be ideal, or a gooseneck trailer. Idk if you have 5th wheel prep, but 17k on a gooseneck will be less squat than bumper pulling
@@joshualake4882 i have not even looked at a 20-22. I had a 19 and jumped to 23. But that over load spring is what ups the spring rate and is supposed to make up the added carrying capacity
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 if anything replacement the block with a timbren ses so if hits before you squat. Easy and less expensive than air bags
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4I'm not sure how familiar you are with them but a timbren ses replaces the factory bump stop so it hits way sooner when towing heavy. There are some videos on UA-cam. Now I understand if you are within the rating, my buddy works at a trailer manufacturing plant and they have a ram 3500 dually and even it squats within the towing numbers, but these upgrades are well worth it
What trailer is that?
Its an orange line eq16. 17500 gvwr. Same trailer as a big tex et16. Kubota was doing a trailer line for a while, not sure if they still do.
For future reference you aren’t good to go w 2 chains, equipment over 10k is required to have 4 points of contact and they can’t be combined,if one fails the other 3 need to secure it. And 2 of the chains need to have a combination rating equal to or greater than the total weight of the machine. That’s a lot of weight for a bumper pull single wheel, you did a good job setting it up and balancing it. I feel like my f350 srw s overloads are too high as well. I swear my old trucks f150 maxtow 3.5s pull better than my F350 super duty not just with power ,no contest there the 6.2 is no match for the 3.5 but in stability as well. The 150s will pull anything more planted than my f350.
Dont disagree at all. Im not going over the road with it. Local only. By local i mean farm country lol. More or less its a connivence thing. When it goes up to my friends cabin this summer for land clearing its going to be over chained. I do believe you are right on 4 points of contact and each have to be separate chains. When my drive is 4-15 minutes long, two chains is very fast. And the risk of myself making a mistake is zero. Im very careful, defensive. But i do appreciate the heads up. I do also strap the boom to abide by that requirement.
Thank you for your comment and thanks for watching.
I think everyone is saying their trucks were built with too high of overload pads. Many posts on facebook groups mention the massive amount of squat required to contact them. They are just about pointless.
I have contemplated about welding up a drop bracket, that doesnt modify the frame.
On the point of your comment i was just looking into the updated laws. Fmcsa appears to not be requiring 4 points of contact but requiring a weight requirement of .8 g’s for stopping .5 g’s accelerating .5 for turning.
So 80 percent of cargo weight braking 50 percent for accelerating and turning.
I believe my main is grade 100 3/8 so i actually have the working load to have one chain front and one rear to meet their requirements
K57 is 12.400 lbs that trailer has 8k axles with 17.5 g rated tires that is 4k empty
3750 per the eq16 specs. So over 16k plus securement and bucket. Its pretty close. If i have time id actually like to go over the scale but its about 40 miles the wrong way. But if you want to figure 4k thats 16400 before securement and bucket
I guess I believe you but that piece of equipment doesn’t look like it weighs anywhere near what you quoted…that’s like 2 F250’s
Per the specs
How it ride when not Towing?
Honestly really great. Considering i have 73 psi out back
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 Thanks 👍
@@Zzus321 a whole lot better than my 2019 f250 did surprisingly
So when are we going to supercharge your truck😂😂
If i can get some people who are willing to do the channel member ship thing and the subs over 1k so i can start recouping some money heck ya.
Id love to build/ modify trucks for a specific purpose on the channel and do raffles.
Like how to build the best 90’s gas tow rig. Or the best 2000’s gas tow rig. Or the best hunting truck.
Mod out the trucks for the specific task and send them to a channel subscriber.
If we could get to a point where the channel could support doing it without people buying like merch or raffle tickets or something that would be awesome. Make the channel support enthusiast’s.
It would be cool to do mod packages raffled too so more people can win. So like someone could win and their own truck would be modified to the persons specs on the channel and dynoed and then they just have their own modified vehicle.
That would be sweet too.
But we are getting close enough on subscribers that vision is not as wild of an idea anymore.
But heck ya id daily a supercharged 7.3.
This truck with a dana 60 swapped in with 5.13’s a front e locker on 40’s on a carli pintop kit with a supercharged 7.3 would be fantastic off road
Think I can tow my 16.5k fifth wheel rv with it?
On flat land heck yes. On mountain passes like any gasser you are going to be flooring it to hold 50.
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 thanks for the reply. Had a f450 but looking for something a little smaller to maneuver like a 1 ton srw short bed. Not sure if the ram or ford combination would be best.
@@jaygx460 i own two cummins powered trucks and my dad has a 2016 g56 cummins. Its safe so say i love the cummins engine and i at minimum tolerate a dodge truck. So you arent getting some ford die hard opinion who hates cummins or dodge
These new 5th gens look really cool but my complaint is hydraulic lifters in the cummins which started in 2019. They are also roller lifters. They do have some pretty decent failure rates so thats a -1 for me.
Also the aisin is a pretty clunky trans that needs alot of torque controls to keep it from slipping. So the cummins which is a remarkable engine is pretty neutered. The HO cummins feels pretty sluggish compared to a new L5P or powerstroke. You are paying like 12500 bucks for the HO and it really isnt quick or particularly impressive.
More over the 68rfe is pretty weak, the truck is slow because of the torque controls.
So all around i cant really say the current cummins offering is too exciting for me. They would need a manual trans option or a whole lot better automatic for it to be a sale for me. Id for sure buy a 2024 duramax over a cummins, and like i said, this from a guy who loves the cummins engine.
I have a 93 12 valve and a 03 common rail.
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 thanks for the information…I appreciate it.
You towing without tow mode on told me your experience .
The truck might implode without it being on tow/haul. Its not like the ecu isnt still making shift choices on load, throttle angle and speed. I must remember in order to be experienced i must never make mistakes. Hundreds of thousands of miles towing trailers means nothing with mistakes
And your comment told us yours.
Where is the 17k at? For one that trailer would have to have two 10,000 pound axle which I know it doesn't and that little excavator does not even come close to weighing as much as my semi truck which is 19,100
Come one
Trailer has a gvwr if 17500. You can look up an oarnge line eq16’s specs. There you will see it weighs 3200 lbs.
The kx057-5 with cab heat/ac and rubber tracks with the angling blade weighs 13200. Plus oil and fuel to make operating weight.
Dry trailer plus dry mini is 16200. There is at least 800 lbs to make the mini wet and chains and binders.
So i figure 17k is extremely close to its actual weight.
You can look up the specs yourself they are widely available
@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 I stand corrected trailer must have two 10k axles but I was going buy the looks of the tires and rims, doesn't look like the 10k wheel set
@@rickvann3489 i actually dont know the axles specific rating. It has 17.5 inch wheels with H rated tires. Im not sure if they are 8k axles with extra rating each because of the oil bath hubs and wheels and tires or if its 2 10k’s derated. Its a cool trailer because of the axle package and it is pretty light at 3200 lbs
Why have us look at your dash while you talk. When you rock the steering wheel, we can't see what the truck is doing.
What is on your windshield ?
Banks data monster its more or less just there right now. Not a whole lot of data for the 23+ trucks. It came off of my 2019 on which it was really awesome
This video really didn’t tell us much. Lots of talk, while on a Sunday drive. I would have really like to see this truck work with this amount of weight. Like, step on it, and get it going up a ramp to the highway.
One doesnt treat their equipment like that unless its the company truck. Why floor it when driving it easy accomplishes the same goal? The point is towing 17k literally feels like a sunday drive which is very impressive from a gas engine. I dont live out west so about nothing i can do compares to running up a grade out west. For us here in michigan, besides going to the porcupine mountains, about the most grade we will have is north of gaylord coming to and from the mackinaw bridge.
Thank you for watching though. I can try to spice things up a bit but at the end of the day i am the one paying to service my truck and not that it cant go full throttle, some day 80k miles from now if i get stuck and not break a u joint, ill thank myself for not abusing it when it was new
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4, I was just providing suggestions. This video gets me no closer to buying this truck. It was always 55mph and below, and you were in none busy roads, so you could take 4 minutes to get to that speed. In a real word tow, one will encounter interstate towing, where 55mph is dangerous, and you do need to “get on it” a bit to merge.
I never said floor it, I just meant make it real word. You cannot go that speed, accelerating at that pace pulling onto a highway without risk of someone run up the backside.
Thank you for taking the time to do this video.
@@ridynh7923 where i live the speed limit is 55 mpg for a 60 miles in the closest direction. About 100 in the others lol
@@ridynh7923 i do understand what you are saying though. I just cant film blatantly breaking the speed limit with this kind of load. But i do have to move it in the next few days again so maybe i can get a bit more aggressive acceleration to 55.
Its newer going to merge like a 6.7 but the 7.3 really holds its own. Much of why i bought this truck is the fact i live in a rural environment and most of the time im not in a rush. And for my daily this is just fine. In years back when i lived in the city or traveled alot with a trailer between cities i totally understand your need to not be an obstruction. For that you cant beat a modern diesel
invest in a camera stand, what the hell are you doing recording and driving with 17k lbs....
I drive with one hand regardless. You never lock two hands on the wheel
Goofy ass truck. Why do people get super short beds and huge cabs? Completely makes no sense
Family in the front and trailer goes out back. I usually just use my bed for loose goods. I rarely haul much in there.
17k you sure I doubt it. I can show you about 16 and its way more than you towing
Trailer is 3710 per the specs
Kx057-5 with cab and ac is 13200 i dont know if thats dry or with fuel, oil and hydraulic oil
Thats 16910 without chains, binders and strap and i have a board of wood for the jack on the trailer, not that it matters.
Its right at 17k
Keep i mind this is a kx057-5 not a kx040. It weighs alot more than a 040
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 your trailer doesn’t weigh anything though.
@@lancelamoon6743 weight spec is 3710 per the manufacture. Its a 17500 gvwr trailer. Its not going to be light. Thats what it weighs and thats what the kx057-5 weighs. Its 17k
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4but your trailer doesn't weigh anything. 😂 🤡
You got weight to far back on trailer
That is the proper weight distribution for a conventional hitch. You want it on the axles not on the truck, this isnt a gooseneck.
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 its not, back it on the trailer in the same spot and it will not pick up on the truck.
@@zx6rkawi09 im not sure i understand your comment. It is backed on the trailer. And its as far forward as it needs to be to weight the hitch enough. Any more would be excessive. Its extremely stable like this. You cant get any better than extremely stable
Can you please turn off the music when you are speaking (or off all the time is better) as we want to listen to the truck and what you say. Not music - no one comes here to listen to youtube approved music... LOL
Sounds good i know people swing both ways. It is hard to get the music to the right volume when you edit. When it uploads it usually changes. I really wish i could put great songs on as background but there are rules.
Your objection noted
A 25 minute video just watching the dash of your truck and listening to you talk. NO!
Worst part is how you were forced to watch it.
It should pull that weight with ease, I have a 2011 Ford Raptor with a 6.2 and it pulled 17360 pounds combined weight with a dump trailer!!!
He’s pulling 17k plus the truck. He’s pushing 24k combined. That half ton was screaming with that kind of weight.
@@BrianBourgeois-Agreed. Thats not something to be especially proud of.