The Real Reason Spotify Sucks...
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Understanding the broken business of Spotify. Spotify's business is failing. They are increasing their prices, firing their employees and still can't make a profit. The music streaming business model as we know it doesn't work. AI Music is starting to get pretty good. Music artists are getting ripped off, music labels are fighting back and we the users are getting a continued worse experience. So what now?
What do you think? Is Spotify (and other music streaming services) a step in the right direction or do these trade offs make it not as worthwhile? The business model is clearly unsustainable. What solutions do you suggest to fix the problems created by streaming services?
cut off all those extra layers within the music industry that leave the artist with the tiny portion of royalties
ua-cam.com/users/shortshKaljG41VIQ - They just removed us from their platform entirely!
@@FiveHeadedCobra oh wow. That’s terrible, I’m sorry to hear that.
SoundCloud has a different model - they focus on community and allow to comment directly to the artists about the songs they hear! And they are more fair! 😊
1/2 cent per download to the artist 😅 and how you supposed to feel requesting f the police followed by liberty car insurance that answers your questions
I guess I am in the music minority. I listen to whole albums all the time. I also listen to what I want to, not what Spotify recommends
same for me
Actually that sounds fun :D ima do that next time I listen to music
You would be surprised at how many more people are still listening to full albums as I’ve seen a lot of people in different music circles talk about albums just like people in the past have done. Yes the overwhelming population of our world doesn’t listen to albums but there are still a lot of us who do and it’s because we want to experience music to its fullest and the way the artists and bands want us to hear it. For us there is nothing better than experiencing an album from front to back especially if it’s fantastic and an album we’ve been coming back to for years. We definitely are still in the minority but it is slowly growing again at least in the underground where albums are appreciated much more. A lot of people I come into contact with that only listen to single songs and playlists are usually only listening to big name bands and artists that are always playing on radio stations and on popular Spotify playlists. It’s not everyone but it is a really big number and I’ve personally seen a lot of the people I know do this and it really frustrates me that they don’t want to go past that.
@shadowsoul1695 agreed. I listended to the whole Clancy album like...an hour ago??? I forgot, and now im watching a video about Twenty One Pilots lore (I like albums with lore/story/plot because it's really creative and brings more points into the album BEING an album and not just a whole bunch of singles)
@@GravityDontMeanTooMuchTooMe That’s really great, Twenty One Pilots is one of my favorite bands and “Clancy” is one of my favorite albums of the year! They really do go against the whole single craze we’ve been in as they put so much thought and effort into their albums through the different concepts, the lore and the diversity of the music they’re playing. They are kind of an anti-playlist type band even though you can easily hear a lot of their songs on their own and that’s the genius of them!
Personally, where I live, metal bands organize concerts almost every month, and tickets cost around 5$, as well as not having their music on streaming services, they only do music just for the fun
That is so fun!
guessing where @ojogstefan9472 lives any%
finland
That sounds so nice jdjkssksk
A great thing about metal is the merch culture. When a band give a concerts, they always have a merch table where they sell tshirts, patches, CDs and vinyls. I think thats the reason metal concerts doesnt cost absurd amount of money. Later this month i'll be seeing a black metal band and the ticket is only 8 euros. And when getting there I'll head to the merch table and get a CD (~10 or 15euros) and a shirt (~20 or 25euros). So without counting their share on the ticket they get like 30 bucks just from me. And most other metalheads are doing this
where do u live im coming
People will go back to physical forms of music if these companies don’t chill.
I think it'll go back to rampant piracy.
On a purely practical level, to have a physical copy of all the music I listen to, I'd have a collection that would cost six figures and fill my apartment from floor to ceiling.
ur totally wrong
who knows, but there is definitely much better options these days for doing so. things like lidarr that make it easier to download music, or software that cleans up your music library instead of having to do it manually. cloud storage is just the norm now or you have things like syncthing that can keep your music in sync across devices for free. theres self hosted music servers like navidrome or subsonic, and its easier than ever to set them up on an online vps or a raspberry pi at home
🎉 the good ole days selling mix tapes out my locker 1987.i sold my CDs in the 90s out gym bags radio play on the jam it or slam it radio talent show Atlanta Ludacris was the host i went gold 96 and 98 my career ended with iTunes and the iPod you had to be signed on a major label to use iTunes download to the iPod game over
lol yeah in your dreams
One thing I liked about the old Spotify was going directly to the song I wanted to hear. That happened even with the free version. I don't mind the ads, but going directly to the song I wanted wasn't free anymore: you have to pay for the feature
Just use the computer version
@@Vol3X1yes but most people listen to it on the go, while travelling or exercising. You can’t expect people to carry a laptop around everywhere just to listen to music
@@TheSucram729 yeah I totally understand that, it's just me who prefers shuffle over choosing every song lmao
I tried to use the spotify mobile app to listen to an album exactly once. Nothing could've prepared me for the abundance of ads, the inability to reorder songs, and having a limited number of skips (I think? It's been a while).
UA-cam playlists aren't perfect, but at least they aren't intentionally designed badly to make you pay for basic features / switch to the desktop app.
Exactly. I was trying to listen to Yeah Glo! On my phone on the bus once. (It was labeled as a single,so it was surely just one song?) Well my tiny brained self clicked it and got a whole playlist that I had to skip through to get to the song. couldn't even replay it.
This is why I only use Spotify on consoles because Spotify doesn't force you to pay for a subscription to unlock basic features like skipping songs
Wait whaaaaaat
Amazon music is better
Ya i like console Spotify better
I think PC has that too. Mobile users have it bad 😬
@@oscarluo7778 as a mobile and console user i agree mobile Spotify is too greedy
Spotify has the audacity to play different music when I play something else
LITERALLY!!! I usually end up going to search for the song on UA-cam
Ikr! Like I be listening to my playlist and all of a sudden some random song starts to play and I don’t like it
@@thatoneperson650and then you only get three skips-… PER HOUR
fr all i want is to vibe to my favorite songs and it decides that i want a whole fricking PLAYLIST that i DO NOT want
Me who listens to the same album on repeat for ten hours
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Algorithms are ruining the world, no doubt about that. But I wonder if another issue is that the whole music scene is just over-saturated: there's so *many* people now trying to make a living out of this and unlike the old days, they're not being filtered through highly picky record labels. People just have so much choice now its overwhelming.
That’s definitely part of what is causing these issues. Thanks for contributing to the conversation!
I agree
im kinda burnt out from listening new music, for some reason the more options are out there the less i want to try to keep up
There's always been a lot of competition in the music space. The only thing that has changed is that you now see everyone who is competing. Before social media artists would remain playing to their niche, not being known by the mainstream but still turning a profit, and that hasn't changed, the scene is no more saturated than it was before.
@@xmanu_ Indeed - there's been various psychological studies on this. When you give people too much choice, they "freeze", and end up choosing nothing.
Spotify are never getting a cent from me honestly
Yeah but who even are you?
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@@BatistaInvestsAlright, but why are you taking offense to that comment?
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@@BatistaInvests ur parents are proud of u right? For being rude to random strangers .seems like They didn’t raise u well
This is one of the best easy-to-understand explanations of why Spotify is ruining music, doesn’t have a future AND isn’t profitable for people who don’t know a thing about music and tech. Just missed a few mentions: Bandcamp, Indie labels/stores, they need our support.
Long live Bandcamp Fridays! ✊️
I would switch but how would my playlists carry over? I mean I really just listen too one playlists with about 100 songs on it, but how? also what streaming service should I switch too?
This sounds like the complete opposite of me:
-Listens music in UA-cam.
-Has 2 well defined favorite artists of which he hears more songs of.
-Often listens to the songs of an album, all behind each other, in the order they were placed.
-Doesn't get to know songs from the algorithm, but rather from an specific artist, heard in radio or heard somewhere else.
-If he listens to a playlist, it is either one made by him, or one UA-cam automatically makes with songs he has heard.
-Loves the traditional structure of songs with unique verses and bridges instead of the repeating of the chorus.
Yup, that's me
This is exactly like me, except for the UA-cam part.
@@merl1nos That still counts. Good job.
i also do this but i don't think this is something to brag about
@@Sakuma_Saikoro_DiceKun I mean, I'm not bragging, but why would it be bad to brag about?
Guess we're extremely alike!
I mostly listen to albums start to finish. I admire albums that have a good concept and atmosphere. Also I hardly use algorithm playlists, just listen to what I like and mostly find new bands through word of mouth
Me too! It’s somewhat sad to see that in general, younger generations do not listen to albums start to finish in order anymore. They are often missing out on an entire story the artist is trying to create! Wow, I feel like an old boomer…
@@RaisedMedia Same, I’ve always felt mentally 50, lol
@@RaisedMedia I dont wanna be mean because I like your video in general, but you do know that spotify has and reccomends artist focused playlists? and you never really give a solution to how else spotify is supposed to monetize songs I would like to know so people have something to work towards instead of just "going back to the old days" because most working people dont have to means to buy records, go back to physical or individually pay for all thr songs you want to own. I was kind of disappointed this whole video was just pointing out bad things and not giving a solution as to how to improve spotify. and some old the things you say apply to other music platforms too, like being unprofitable. but dont take this as a I hate comment I genuinely like the video and think it's good, I just want some clarity on what to do next
@@RaisedMediaim fairly young and I also sometimes feel old when I listen to an album start to finish
That’s why I use UA-cam no not UA-cam music! Just UA-cam to listen to songs
I honestly find UA-cam is terrible to listen to music. They always play the same few songs, it gets very repetitive.
@@marloelefant7500 yea the reason I don’t use yt music is because they are gonna have ads every five seconds I assume and it would play songs randomly probably so I just use playlists on UA-cam
So u make playlists and stuff?
Thats why i download the songs i like, an hour ago i found my password to get back into my account and half an hour later i feel like deleting it off my phone.
I buy CDs because I cannot stand Spotify. They keep adding things and bullshit but then they remove things from the free plan. Also, not having Hi-Fi (lossless) or dolby Atmos quality makes it worse with the years and experience they have, I love listening to great quality music. Another thing that I'm mad at is literally the free plan on phone, you cannot do ANYTHING. I'd love it if they do like Spotify on computer. It has ads, you cannot download songs but at least you can CHOOSE the music you want. Also they keep updating the app with new features only x regions can use. and I can keep listing my complains.
It really does seem like every Spotify update they somehow make it worse not better.
SoundCloud, on the other hand, offers Hi-Fi quality sound!
As with every music catalog, Spotify has same problems, people upload a ton of crap there. And nobody filters results. What it ends up is simply load of crap. And "kings of crap" are sitting at the top of this "pyramid of crap". They cannot even allow to have their sound files stored at 96 kHz quality because there is way too many. If the flow of information is not being moderated by anyone, it becomes a Brown Noise. Spotify is a Noise compactor, trash can garbage collector.
@@francois-patrickarteau6511It doesn't have a very big library tho, most of the artists you look for there you can't find at all, unfortunatly.
One thing I liked about the old Spotify was going directly to the song I wanted. That happened even with the free version. I don't mind the ads, but going directly to the song I wanted wasn't free anymore: you have to pay for that feature!
…so…I’m guessing you want a break from the ads?
The value is in being able to buy an album and press play and listen all the way through without having to skip "filler" tracks. Whoever can accomplish that, regardless of genre, usually will be successful eventually.
What you feel is filler, someone enjoys.
@@ryanperrault8174 well said
@@tristen_grantwhich is why Spotify is popular because you can skip what you dont like.
@@momo_f_awsome You can also skip songs on any other music listening platform. CDs, cassettes and vinyl included.
Hm yes I agree. hate trying to do that.
Honestly, I really never used to listen specifically to one artist, until I got a record player. Getting something like a record/record player has really made me look at music in a whole new light. It’s helped me really appreciate specific artists for their talent. Ofc I’m not saying everyone should start listening to only cd/record players and things like that. But it really does create an entirely different kind of music.
I can confirm. never really stuck with ONE artist and one artists only,and they were more modern ones. but when I got my record player and my grandma gave me some recordszi finally truly appreciated the talent of some of these long gone artists from the 70's,80's and probably some late 60's too.
Spotify is perfect for me.. I just sit in my corner and listen to my albums fully and by choice, staying away from the ai and the vibes playlists.
yeah, I’ve just listened to vocaloid albums and stuff because thats what I like, I never use AI shuffle or those spotify made playlists
@@Burbee1511 yeah, the DJ is awful. Plays music that i actually don't care about and will skip to the ones that i actually like
SAME
yeah but your favourite artist's are not getting paid at all ,streaming through tidal and apple music is better... like 3-4x money for your artist
@@bodhi9945 oh wow
They now have a limited lyrics-viewing times, 5 times a month like wtf just quit already
spotify without premium is pretty useless. before I had the money to actually pay for it, i used to just download mp3s from youtube lol
Lol brokie
Yeah nah i have premium and i have no issues with that
@@nejcrebolj2013theyre a brokie because spotify limits all the features to premium, and is an app thats basically useless without premium? and dont even call me a broke aswell, ive had spotify premium for a year
Thankfully they got it back on the free plan
I think music being so accessible is insane, when you think about how it was before. Songs being free to listen to is now the norm, which means only the biggest artists can live from only the revenue of concerts/streaming services.
Its hard to say if this is better overall, its great for the consumers perspective, at least for now, but it looks grim for creators, as wanting to make a living is basically impossible.
I dont think streaming services stopping would fix anything though, the internet existing spelled the end of paid songs because of piracy.
i wa shuffling through my playlist filled with mitski and tv girl, and nasty dog came on 😭
2:04 i know im not the only one that saw that💀
Grow up
@@hainewnumber3963 what the hell did i do to you?😭💀
@@C_a_r_l_it’s a fun series though low key watch it
@@hainewnumber3963Not that serious
This is why I never stopped downloading songs off UA-cam to this day
You are not contributing to artists by doing that as well. At least spotify gives them some spare change, unlike having their work downloaded for free.
If it makes you support those artists later by buying their merch and CDs or going to their concert, then that's another thing. I'm not against piracy in any shape or form, tough.
There was a guy that said "You should not be mad that your work is pirated, you should be mad if people don't even want to pirate your work"
@@phrogtesem9410and thats why you always make sure to find the original artisr. i refuse to watch music videos or lyric videos of any kind that are just hopping onto other artists for money
You're literally adding fuel to the fire but whatever
@@phrogtesem9410does he have to contribute?its not like its illiegal to download songs in a file its america after all their is no law against it so why does that matter to this person
Loving the video so far but how did you get the 9$ ticket price adjusted to today’s money at the start? Quick inflation tool told me it would be closer to $39
No roasting just curious
Well that’s my mistake lol. I meant 39.90 not $9.90. The point still stands but technically it’s around a 2600% price increase not 10k. Good catch :)
Why yes, I've hated Spotify ever since I woke up one day and found some of my FAVOURITE ALBUMS were no longer available. Thanks, modernity!
Haha yep. That’s a major downside of the streaming model. You own nothing and anything can be taken away at a moments notice
Thanks copyright you meant
What were they
@@RaisedMedialike 7 minute drill or whatever it was called
@@SnooshaThat wasn’t fault of Spotify though, J. Cole simply deleted the song, big difference there
I'm really glad that metal is still having its own scene basically. The songs have 3-4 minutes long intros, outro is long af, the song is atleast 5 minutes long, etc. Tool, or Dream Theater for example, Prog Metal, its a perfect example.
It's more of a prog/ambient thing than metal, although a soothing ambiance is an amazing counter-weight to intense/aggressive music.
i’ve always hated that spotify doesn’t even let me listen to what i want to listen to. it’s literally adding songs to my playlist, and i only get SIX SKIPS PER HOUR!! SIX! it’s so dumb, let me listen to what i want to please.
I don't think that spotify has something to do with music being less creative, like... that's a tiktok's thing more than Spotify's😭😭
I have Apple music and several iPods that I restore and modify. I listen to whole albums, or just shuffle my library, I rarely listen to a playlist that I didn't make myself. I also buy CDs for my favorite artists, to have something tangible and collectable.
When I listen to new music, I usually listen to it through the original album, I’ve gone through every single one of Kanyes albums 1 by 1 listening to the whole album and discovering songs that way instead of just shuffling a pre-made playlist of his songs, did the same with OutKast too.
I love Kanye, the main way I discover music is always by listening to albums
Same, and I love OutKast too
Spotify will collapse soon. It’s clear all these changes are out of desperation
I’m not sure it will collapse, but major changes (in pursuit of profit) are definitely on the horizon. This will almost definitely mean a worse result for musicians and us consumers.
@@RaisedMedia They’ve gotta run outta money at some point
@RaisedMedia I just download a mod and I don't have to pay ever again.
@@aunteggmaniac wdym? What mod?
@@user_breathlessnah they have too many users who will pay the fee because they don't have time to listen to a full album everytime the wanna listen to music.
I don't know about y'all, but I use Spotify for my own playlists that I make. I also listen to full albums pretty often, and collect vinyls. And is it that big of an issue that the already super rich big artists arent even richer?
i think spotify not paying their artists is only a big issue when it comes to small artists. taylor swift doesn't need to worry about her spotify revenue, she makes enough from breathing. but where in the past a small artist would've made something from a cd sale, there's higher potential they make nothing at all.
Who UA-cam ->MP3 here?
Depends on who and if there is any other way to buy it
Really I only do it if I like the song enough or the song is about to get deleted from youtube
I do
Please keep making videos, your production quality is fantastic
Please keep coming back to watch! Really appreciate it.
🫡@@RaisedMedia
We're no longer living in an era where creativity can leads to beautiful stuff, Nowadays its more of like producing content to get the money rather than adding care or love. Greed, Ego and other bad elements have taken over. Companies will be bad with how much money they get
Like all of us in the 60-80s we all purchased LPs. Apart from a hand full of artists, the albums usually contained the single that made you purchase in the first place and probably already owned. Followed a couple of good tracks, the rest were just fillers, or crap as we all called it.
Then (for me) came iTunes. At last, I could (in those days) buy just the tracks I liked rather than an album with just 30% of good tracks. A much better way to buy music. It also made the artist record better tracks.
As someone who doesn’t pay for Premium, I cannot begin to explain how annoying it is having to sit through 4-5 ads between songs. It’s getting to the point where it’s not a music streaming platform anymore, but an ad streaming platform
0:45 That's the neat part - I've already pirated it
I've used YT to listen to music since you can't choose on spotify phone version music you want to listen to
There not being a paywall for listening to an album whenever is honestly the best thing I've ever experienced. Though with the negatives, like not owning the music is miserable to deal with, artists making chump change SUCKS, the smart shuffle being forced is the worst, the free mobile version is abysmal. But, as a broke mf, I would hate to have to spend money on every song I want to listen to. I probably just wouldn't listen to music as much, and I likely wouldn't have found the wonderful artists I absolutely adore. I don't really listen to new music that often, so I can't really say much on that experience.
I am big into music, i use Spotify daily as well as owning many physical records. While i much prefer physical music, as it truly sounds better through vinyl than bluetooth streaming, spotify makes it very easy to find new artists in my opinion. I don’t listen to the ai made playlists much, and mostly listen to my own made playlists however i have found some new smaller artists through those playlists!
Put it this way, more demand, less supply, more third parties, higher costs. More demand: At their peak, the Beatles had 73 million fans, and currently, Taylor swift has 290 million fans. The Beatles did 1,400 concerts. Taylor swift has done 6 tours in total (843 concerts including the 6 tours). There are now more third parties than every, each taking their own little (or big) cut, of what you're paying. The money used to go like this: Fans->Beatles->Concert Hall, now it works like: Fans->Ticketing Website-> Taylor Swift->Concert Hall. All of this jacks up prices.
Also, looking at plain statistics, amount of concerts and concert goers has risen drastically over the past 5 years.
Spotify makes songs of the same genre easier to find and listen to.
Spotify makes it easier to find new genres that you didn't know of yet, that you may find you enjoy.
Spotify doesn't take away from the individuality of having 'your favorite genre' and having a dedication towards it/having a bunch of records that show you like a certain genre, it's called a liked song playlist.
You say music becomes disposable, overall that's a silly sentence, music tastes change over time, and before Spotify, if your genre changed, you wouldn't literally throw away your whole collection over the years, instead you'd probably put it into storage.
In the end, Spotify brings more people to music than were listening before Spotify.
hey hot take but i disagree, this model is allowing people to discover what they truly love instead of being stuck with the same mainstream and popular bands and artists, it also allows anyone to make music, which contributes to the accessibility of music. sure there are bad artists making insincere music, but there are more making deeply enjoyable and personal music. I can't rebut anything about artists or other problems, but they way you opened troubled me, I don't believe what you said is a negative thing
I feel like the whole video only applied if the only music that you listen to is pop music because other genres (punk, metal, alternative, etc) don't seem to be bothered by streaming services because they sell albums and tours.
Also I find that whole concert point extremely stupid.
How is it my fault that my favorite artist doesn't tour in my country/continent. What am I supposed to do besides turn to a streaming service.
here is the thing... there is no "right" way to listen to music, and things change.
this is just a new way that you need to get used to. Better yet... you CAN lisent to whole albuns, just chose that option it's YOUR choice
I have ONE playlist. 600 songs. 40 hours. 4 of those songs were Spotify recommendations. It’s petty but I’m standing my ground
First of all, there would be no music industry today if it wasn't for Spotify and similar services(UA-cam music, Apple Music, etc). I understand that Spotify is an easy target to attack and that it's incredibly easy to diminish the effects of piracy but it's very easy to forget that piracy nearly killed the music industry. To be more precise, the music industry nearly killed itself, piracy was merely the catalyst. It was dumb decisions and horrible trends that the music industry kept pushing that nearly killed it, but as with Spotify, piracy has always been an easy target to blame all your ills on. Things got so bad that the music industry as a whole, and by that I mean the mainstream music of course not the fringes, nearly went bankrupt. Yes, it was that bad! It's easy to forget that Spotify was actually the outcome of the music industry leaders sitting together and looking for a way to save their industry. Yes, Spotify is a private company and all that, but the ability to have access to all the music out there on a single platform was very much a decision made by the industry, not Spotify themselves. The music industry made this decision because they were desperate and the situation for the music industry is still bad not because of Spotify but because those who still lead the music industry simply refused to learn from their past mistakes and instead insist on repeating them.
Second of all, Spotify doesn't pay a fixed sum per stream like your 0.004 cents figure. What Spotify actually does is look at their entire monthly revenue, keep 20% of it for themselves to cover overhead costs and whatnot and give the rest of it(80%) to the owners of the music streamed on their platform based on the amount of streams each music owner's relative piece of the overall pie. So if say Dr. Dre would have had 20% of Spotify's streams in a given month and lets also say he owns 100% of his own music, than Dr. Dre would have received 20% of Spotify's 80% of their revenues for that month. You can attempt to calculate how much this boils down to all you like, but this isn't a fixed price like your 0.004 cents figure but rather changes month to month based on the overall revenues of said month. Remember that most of Spotify's income comes from subscriptions of their customers. These subscriptions have 0 correlation with the amount of streams on their platform, as 1 user can only open their app once per month and only listen to a couple of songs while another user can be on the app 24/7 constantly streaming music.
Third of all the issue of music rights holders is indeed a very significant one, but it has nothing to do with Spotify. It has everything to do with the music industry itself and was actually 1 of the main reason the music industry nearly died. Of course the people in charge of the music industry benefited from this situation so they refused to change it in a significant enough way which means that artists now are still suffering from the same issues they did in the past. So why are you blaming Spotify for not paying the artists themselves but the rights holders when they have no say in the matter at all and that the people who do somehow escaped your criticism? Similarly your rant about music creativity is not at all Spotify's fault but again the music industry's. In fact Spotify is the solution to this maddening issue as us listeners can find a wide variety of music on Spotify, not just the same old regurgitated garbage that the music industry insists on feeding us over and over again as 'mainstream music'.
Lastly, yes Spotify is a glorified ad company, it's not a secret or anything. In fact a lot of tech companies are mostly glorified ad companies, chiefly among them Google itself who makes the vast majority of their revenues from ads on their various platforms. Why do the creators of Spotify need to be musicians or from the music industry? Spotify is merely a platform to put music onto and listen to said music. Why are you attributing all the music industry's ills on Spotify instead of well, the music industry itself? And it's not like Spotify is in a vacuum or anything, the other services mentioned above do the exact same thing, heck regular UA-cam was perhaps the biggest catalyst of this, only in UA-cam's case it was even worst as the artists received nothing from random channels various artists' music on their channels without permission or anything. These days most artists, or at least record labels, have UA-cam channels of their own to earn something from this platform but this is a relatively new development. Moreover the direction the music industry itself is heading into isn't in a vacuum either, this is the direction the entire world is headed towards. You're trying to isolate wide issues and reduce them to just Spotify and the music industry which is simply disingenuous.
P.S nobody forces you to use Spotify's various play lists and whatnot. You can still listen in the same old fashioned way of searching for a specific band, going to their discography, picking an album and listen to it. Nobody is stopping you from doing that other than you...
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I get CDs from my library and rip them to WAV files. It’s higher quality and more portable, and there’s no ads.
that new limited-amount-of-lyrics-per-month thing is absolutely bullsh1t, i can easily open Genius while listening to whatever's playing on my headphones... this companies are just sick for money and power and that's not really fresh news, i hate most of today's popular music and i also hate how small artists with actual potential and interesting projects are neglected by most people... everything is expensive this days too, i'm a broke teenager so i can't always afford a record/cd/cassette and even secondhand is expensive sometimes with people just labelling everything as "vintage" so the only reason why i don't leave spotify is because it helps me find good music that i haven't listened to yet based on whatever i already like (even tho i have other sources like reddit and rym now), if it wasn't for spotify's massive catalogue (and also how the app works) i wouldn't know many of the amazing records i do now since my family and friends aren't really interested in music and a big part of the internet and most radios focus on souless generic stuff that i would never be much fond of despite of the circumstances, so i guess that spotify is good for one thing, but sucks at everything else and i'm not sure if it's really worth it *(bad english)*
It's about culture in my opinion. Look at all the other mediums in the entertainment industry that all share the same problem but there's great original works inside the cluster of generic crap.
I agree. Original works are probably better than ever right now but Spotify ironically doesn’t let those tracks get fed to enough listers as their entire business model (and algorithm) favours major artists. It’s a tricky problem to solve. Popular artists are popular because well, they are popular…but many small artists, despite having equally good music, can’t beat the feedback loop Spotify has (arguably) unintentionally created.
@@RaisedMediathere's too many artists and songs that sound exacly the same. Music is literally being treated like those horror movies that always include the creepy little girl or action movies that's always about a guy coming out from retirement that kills everyone.
@@RaisedMedia I mean i don't think you can escape the favoritism, bigger artists will always get pushed more either through radio or friend recommendations so i wouldn't blame the algorithms that much here. Also your mentioned connection with the artists, i don't believe it suffers majorly in a way that people don't want to connect, just that now people might have higher standards for their favorite artists because there's so many to choose from. I know it took me a couple of years on spotify to discover my favorite band and i've supported them through buying merch. Speaking of merch, i think the shift of how artists now get paid is only natural with the growing costs of living. I still have bought a tee from a band with a 100k monthly but i don't feel like spending that much on other artists because of my other needs. If there were no streaming services more regular people, in my personal opinion, wouldn't spend much on music because they have other things they'd rather spend their money on. So the way artists now primarily get payed shifted from cd's cassettes and vinyls to concerts and merch, which in a way is fineee. Sure it does suck now that seeing your favorite artist is more difficult and expensive but that's the price you're paying for more easily accessible music. Which all doesn't mean i don't believe artists should be payed more, i'm just saying that this was probably how the things were going to evolve given the circumstances anyway. Last point i'd like to address is originality. I think if you want your music to be more original just.. listen to pop or rap less ? the genres are so huge, they're bound to have a million copy cats. Even metal (which together with rock are my primary genres, but i do listen to whatever sounds good) can suffer from this issue at times with few bands choosing to go more generic routes however it's a lot less prevalent and songs getting shorter isn't something i noticed in said genre, Tesseract's newest album has an 11min song that i absolutely love and always listen start to finish. Anyway that concludes this wall of text, feel free to disagree with any of my points i just told it how i see it from my point of view. Also quality video, just maybe a tad bit too long, cheers!
Thanks for contributing your opinions! I think the issue is that Spotify is without a doubt an unsustainable business model. Between Major labels and the US government both forcing renegotiations of streaming pay, Spotify is in a tough spot. They either need to charge a heck of a lot more to pass on higher expenses or figure out another solution. It seems they are pursuing advertising and promotion tools as their revenue driver but these are resulting in some negative impacts on the industry and bias on the platform. Discovery mode and their other promotions tools are becoming legitimately a form of Payola. It’s really hard for small artists to make enough money to live on. Even if they have dedicated fans such as yourself, the main way these artists make money is through touring (and merch sales from that) but often these artists struggle to fill venues and the competition for venues has never been higher. Competition and access to more quality music is a good thing but it’s unlikely that this current arrangement between artists, streaming services and their customers will remain.
@@RaisedMedia true that, the prices of movie streaming services have been sky rocketing I'm surprised Spotify is still relatively inexpensive, at least here.
This is why I listen to music on UA-cam. Not the UA-cam music app but actual UA-cam itself. Or I listen on SoundCloud occasionally
Me too.
I left Spotify this morning. I deleted my account by contacting the platform's customer service. Now it is gone! I will never use Spotify again! I don't trust Daniel Ek anymore! The platforms I use now are Canadian-based Calm Radio (owned by Stingray) and German-based SoundCloud (which is focused on community and discovering real new artists that can do their things themselves - outside of mainstream pop music I now hate! And I also listen to a radio station named Radio Paradise which is listener-supported and commercial-free. ❤
Used Spotify for a single day, immediately renewed my Apple Music subscription, absolutely fucking joke of a music app.
Ikr! APPLE MUSIC IS LEAGUS BETTER
I just hate Spotify because it doesn't let me play my music OFF OF SHUFFLE, BUT BACK IN 2019 I COULD CHOOSE IF I WANTED IT ON SHUFFLE OR NOT. NOW I HAVE TO PAY PREMIUM IN ORDER TO BLOODY LISTEN TO THE SONGS I WANT, I had no idea it was worse
I stopped listening to Spotify because it went from after every 6 songs i get two or three ads, now its changed to 5 ads after every one song.
I found a "loophole" by closing the app and going back into it, i get to listen to the song i wouldve if it wasnt interrupted by the ad
BUT!! id get an ad after that song.
Kinda defeats the purpose of "skipping" the ad in the first place..
The fact most popular comments are about how people aren’t as subjected to modern music curation gives me some solace with how there’s this thin spectrum of stances for how we consume music in the digital age. I still use Spotify as my main DSP simply for the fact I built a personal catalogue there since 2017 (limited though since specific songs/instrumentals aren’t on there) and spent considerable time tuning the EQ to my liking. But it’s become more and more apparent how the points raised in this video resonate.
As a musician as well, that drive to share your own works of music seems more stumped than ever from other genuine musicians I’ d encountered with how everyone treats it as such a simple subject to hop onto for your own reasons that, while valid, still demeans the topic of music as a study and as a listening experience since so many people DO bring their personal, immature feelings about what music’s role in our lives plays, and under the guise of “subjectivity” think their two-cents is as justified to say, a Master’s level music composer/theorist. From influencers branching out, to the role genres like rock and hip-hop played in opening the gates to everyone having an angle to express themselves both authentically or vicariously, music has been rotting and folding as an art form for the pursuit of profit.
And at least before the digital boom of the 2000s, labels and agencies of all levels knew that that while exploiting wasn’t out of the cards, you had to really make a statement to be anyone of note in the music business for better or worse. Since the whole pirating debacle was cleared with services like iTunes/Apple Music and SPOTIFY, and acts like the DMC broadly clarified copyright disputes online (though heavily flawed) they sacrifed the quality of what an artist can be, and now any prick with D-rated home studio with enough money can simply buy his way into the industry.
"how often do you listen to albums start to finish anymore?"
Me: To mamy times...metallica, Sabaton, Seether, Judas Priest, Ghost, Black Sabbath, Gunship, etc. i listen to whole albums everyday.
Regarding the Spotify Playlists, it's also given those who create and own the playlists a false sense of uppityness, simply because they can somewhat give an up and coming artist more exposure. An artist I follow, Dan Gusto, told me you wouldn't believe the amount of NOs he received from submitting his songs to certain playlists, some that weren't even well known.
Hopefully i misunderstood, but if my tracks each get 999views *every* year, they take all of it forever?
You are correct. You would receive no payment. Starting April 2024, “tracks must have reached a threshold of at least 1,000 streams in the previous 12 months to be included in the recorded music royalty pool calculation.” It’s literally taking money money from small artists and giving it to bigger ones lol.
I am not lying i got a spotify ad before this
That’s why I love buying physical media, Vinyl and CDs. I feel like I am ACTUALLY supporting the music artists I like. Also, I don’t have to stand the AWFUL lossy compression that just ruins the music. Come on, Spotify, time to get out of the pre-historical times. CDs, 1980’s TECH literally sounds better than you.
You also just grow a deeper connection to the music when you physically own it. Physical media isn’t for everyone but I hope it’s not forgotten!
Hell yeah. I've started building my offline catalogue and encouraging my friends into doing the same. But most of them are too afraid to step out of their comfort zone. I find that there's still use for the Spotify playlist thing, parties and cookouts as mentioned along with gatherings would still be great for this. But music, the listening experience as a whole should remain close to the heart. Great video, love it.
Thanks :)
8:22 listen to paladin strait. The song has like bird noises for like a minute in the middle of the song. It’s not stopping me from listening to it tho
Liked the video, commenting because you deserve to be recommended more.
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Shut up you know for a fact that Spotify is a scummy company.
@LordBakon you shut up, I share the opinion.
@@LordBakonThey're certainly scum. But the app is not only bad.
This feels like a bot
The thing that pisses me off the most is the inde music playlists auto generated by Spotify, because I've seen musicians in there with record labels and they seem to be the majority.
The price change is because Beatles sang at concerts, now the artist has dancers and background singers and flashing lights and fireworks
I find it difficult to feel bad for an artist when they only made 20 million instead of 50 million
Right now, spotify already gets drowned by music, made with udio ai and uploaded with distrokid and others. So its easier than ever for absolutely everyone to flood this platforms with garbage so that little artists get drowned even more even though its written in Udio's TOS that the output is for none profitable uses only. On the other side, Spotify recently got a Shitstorm due to a post the ceo's did beginning with a sentence like "today, where it costs almost nothing to produce music..." that tells a lot about him, who propably never bought an instrument or never booked into a Studio for recording and mastering.
Honestly I don't know how this is different than before. When I was young, I watched TV and TV decided what were the big artists, so their face was showed to me against my will. Now it's the same when I open Spotify. Honestly it's just a matter of recognizing it's not entirely tailored from your tastes, But it's a lot Biased on artists budget, so you can safely ignore the bigger artists and go for the personal ones... I discovered a lot of unknown music in Spotify But still listen to a lot of personal favorites and buy a lot of physical media.
2:25 i listen to albums start to finish when i first find an artist, like Twenty One Pilots. Im a new fan and listended to all thair albums start to finish. But other than that i only listen to albums start to finish if spotify isnt putting songs from that album in my que enough
Like in only in a span of a day week month??
@blurrycup1196 I listended to all their albums start to finish in one day because they have a concert on my birthday and if I make enough money to buy 2 tickets and one of my brothers come with me i can go to my first concert and I want to know all there songs but thats only a possibility so that was kind of a dumb idea lmfao
I love TØP!!!!
@@fadedonesot same!!
Ironic he uses Taylor as an example considering her tickets are stupidly expensive for horrible music....
11:13 usually, the smaller artist make better music, less afraid to take risks so their music is WAY cooler.
yea, I use Spotify to stream the same couple artists everyday, i never listen to the playlists they give, i listen to albums at a time or just listen to the cds i collect, i don't understand how people can't pick favorite bands and stick to em and listen to all their music and enjoy full albums at a time, collecting and listening to albums is one of the best ways to listen to music
Around the 16 minute mark and a bit after that, when they talked about ai music my first thought was "THIS FEELS LIKE VOCALOID INCOMING"
not to mention that many record labels die out early on in their life which means that alot of songs are stuck in purgatory and can never be listened to on streaming services
"Think twice before renewing spotify premium because you could be contributing to the downfall of music" Is an downright insane person statement 😭 Nothing could ever possibly "kill" music itself, it's been around since the beginning of like everything basically and it will be around until the world ends. Even if something was able to "kill" music it wouldn't be spotify bro
People will pirate the songs anyway.. with or without Spotify
that's why I will never release music and the only way you can hear my music is to come and see me live
@@tyremanguitars Good for you, I don't think anyone here cares
POV: When you realize that CDs are already dead
Ngl I didn’t watch the entire video before this and it actually has some great points
I love having everything at my fingertips, however i do NOT listen to what i listen they suggest because its 1. Its the same thing over and over and over again 2. Its not what i want to listen to.
Still can’t get over drake being a rapper now. He’ll always be that kid in the wheelchair from Degrassi >.>
Hot take: Streaming services should turn into DVD/Blu-ray Sellers so people go out and potentially socialize. Thus making society healthier.
The first domino to fall was the birth of napster and all other free downloading softwares in the late 90's early 2000's, then you had dumb reality tv shows like america's got talent and american idol to promote amateurs instead of true artists therefore oversaturating the market with cheap formulaic garbage, and pro tools making music production accessible to everybody, and later free streaming, and now we're entering the final lethal phase of AI generated music mixed with a population of indifferent dumbed down consumers who don't mind spending hundreds of dollars to go watch "artists" lip syncing to laptop backing tracks.
Personally, I don't think it was right that artists could get set for life off of one album and that now they actually have to devout their life (meaning nearly every waking moment) to it if they want to see results. Look at how musicians have done it since the creation of music: you would travel around trying to nickel and dime it during the day and then go to a show and perform.
This then acts as a way to filter out some songs that just don't really need to exists, which then makes actually good music sound even better.
but hey this is just another random comment
No. I’ve always been a music lover all my life. But my knowledge of different genres of music was very limited to only what radio stations would play or official soundtracks to films and tv shows. Since music streaming services, I have discovered new genres I didn’t even know existed, let alone liked! Streaming services have also helped a lot of small bands and independent artists. That’s not to say that there aren’t problems with these services, but not being limited to physical copies of music, is not one of them.
I got a Spotify ad whole watching this 💀
This is why I just use an unlocked APK. Why pay a continuously increasing fee for any of it if it will always trickle down to cents on every dollar to the artist?
Same, I also use a Spotify premium version apk
ngl the only reason i haven’t switched from spotify(been a user for 3ish years i think) is bc of how much music i have saved and downloaded AND partially bc of their eq settings, i HATE what they are now😭
Another incredible video! Keep them coming, I can tell you're passionate about creating high quality content.
Thank you!!
Bro got brainwashed by the Spotify algorythm. That sounds a bit too crazy to me.
i love this video because it's so true, for this reason my goal for the summer was to listen as many albums from my favourite artists from start to end, and i didn't regret it, so far i'm at 65 albums, and now i wanna keep going
I can never find new music on Spotify cause it's always just brings up trendy tiktok songs
discover weekly usually isn't too bad for me
I feel so bad for my favorite music artist toad and the stooligans (which y’all should check out btw). They don’t have very many listeners
I disagree with your opinion on playlists lacking substance. You make them yourself so obviously the idea that you have to make a playlist of just vibes doesn't make any sense. But also music should be something you can play in the backround, and there's nothing wrong with having a playlist that is all the same vibe if it helps you get through washing the dishes. Nobody is telling you not to listen to albums either lol
I personally think someone needs to come out with a new service, that is more expensive maybe £25-£30 and make it a luxury app, advertise it as the company that actually pays the artist, I feel people would wanna pay extra if they knew that money might actually go to the artist they’re listening to.
Streaming audio was alwys bad. Best quality is always original studio recordings, then its official lossless quality release (whether digital and/or analog). Music recommendations must only be treated as such, while keeping higher quality 'originals' for primary playback of music/audio.
Good thing I started downloading all of the artists' catalogue that I follow, so I can just listen to it without any interruptions.
It may have occupied a lot of spaces on my hard drive, but it's better than nothing.
thats why piracy is sometimes a good thing