THE NEW BALANCE DRUID ROTATION - WoW Season of Discovery
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
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We've had a ton of balance changes hit us along with new runes, in this video I'll go over how to tackle the new rotation and certain things you can do to help with that as well.
Weakauras:
Auto Balance Timers: wago.io/axVGiIfEm
Tiqtak's eclipse pips: wago.io/Hi4AhwbYt
Debuffs on Nameplates: wago.io/DebuffsOnNameplates
Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:59 - Eclipse Rune
3:46 - Dreamstate Rune
4:45 - Starsurge Changes
5:35 - Rotation
8:07 - Weakauras
9:31 - Outro - Ігри
UPDATE: Our dots have been buffed and our rotation has changed (again). Will be making an update video soon but tldr you wanna replace wrath gcds with dot maintenance. It's around a 30 dps increase with good rotation and moonkin form is now very important to not drop (luckily we can now cast all our utility in form now).
so you dont even cast wraths anymore? You just do Starfire-Starsurge-Starfire-Sunfire-Moonfire-?? repeat
Nah you ss > Sunfire> moonfire > starfire > ss > starfire > wrath wrath > repeat
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@@ItsAutoTVSo you no longer start with starfire and then starsurge? Just go straight into the starsurge?.
Thanks for the Update! achieved a 99 parse following your original rotation this week! excited for the extra complexity with MF and SF
@@Nightmare-pj4fg you should still precast starfire yeah.
was waiting to hear your thoughts specifically! thank you!
Been waiting for this! Appreciate the guide :)
Cheers. Can't wait for the raid video.
Loving that pillars of eternity soundtrack on the vid 😊
Thanks for your video!
thank you so much, helped a lot
Thanks for the guide m8 the music was depressing very fitting :')
ahaha I find the music pretty chill.
@@ItsAutoTVYeah it was calming
ive been an avid balance druid player in vanilla up until wrath, and all throughout classic, and NOW in SoD - this last week or two in SoD has been total chaos and ive been all over the place, very happy to finally have some of my questions answered after blizzard was flip-flopping all over the place with our rotations!
yeah with the most recent buff to starfire damage we're looking a little better now.
Loved this vid auto. Would you be doing one with the coming changed to moonfire/sunfire damage changes? Keep up the amazing vids
Most likely yes.
Would love one :D@@ItsAutoTV
Great video ! As many others have commented, what are your talents?
In a raid utility aspect, it’s probably not worth using sunfite. May as well put wild growth on our gloves and use it for spot healing
Yeah if you are struggling on heals having that versatility is still nice. Sunfire is still useful on mobile fights of which there are a few in gnomeregan.
That’s what I’m doin
Bingo, me too. It pops you out of boomkin, but if it can save a raid wipe, this is will be a clutch play!
I'm running gnomer without boomkin, it's pretty useless IMO. At least at this stage of the game wild growth comes in clutch more than anything.
Trying to figure out how the new rotation is.Do you have some new updated news about it yet? Really preached you other guides 😀👍
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I’d like to try eclipse in its original state where it adds crit to both wrath and starfire. It would also be nice if they made starsurge both arcane and nature (similar to frostfire bolt) so that it could also benefit from the 20% debuff.
Yeah making both starfire and starsurge astral damage which is both would be great.
What's your talent build?
new changes inbound for boomi, moonfire and sunfire get a-50% mana cost and +50% dot dmg. also moonkin form changes reduce mana costs by 50% which is HUGE
Think it only reduces mana cost of dots but yes its very big.
nice guide, your rotation seems more fun, but in PvP with the recents changes, what its a good rotation?
PvP isn't as straightforward, you still need to get off starfires to actually do good damage but vs any class with a kick it might be worth baiting the kick with wrath casts or waiting for a natures grace proc to get a short cast time on starfire. Otherwise try and kite using your instants and offheal with wildgrowth. Im not the biggest fan of moonkin form in pvp.
Are you making your take on a bis list soon? and what is the bis proffesions right now? Engi/LW or do we swich Engi?
Bis list will be out soon yeah. Still working out stat weights with the slight buff to starfire coming with the reset.
what talent build are you running
Thanks for the rotaion. Very usefull guide and weakaura links. So to sum druid up.:
Druid are OOMkings once again in pve. Our dots are not even worth casting unless u absolutely have to move. And bring alot of mana pots.
In pvp druids dmg output is very poor, and the only rune worth casting, and to justify our place in the group (WG) cost 500mana....
Pretty accurate summary.
Why would you wait that split second between starfire and starsurge? Eclipse say only wrath get crit buff. Great video btw!
Starsurge benefits from the 30% crit as well, it gets effects from things that buff wrath and starfire.
Really interesting changes for pve!
Great video! What is your advice on the crafted tailor vs leatherworking helm for boomkin? Thanks
Leather easy. Its just better. Thats it.
yeah LW is better slightly.
Did the rotation change now when sunfire and moonfire got buffed?
What are your thoughts on the current BiS Lists out there? 3 piece irradiated vs 2 piece leather with the irradiated boots
Irradiated is only good for pve and risky. the 2/1 set is more versatile for other content and barely worse.
Awesome, thanks for the reply. Hope to see a new vid detailing the changes to moonfire/sunfire on the rotation
I think moonkin form needs a buff, give just us double aura for 6% crit like hunters lion, and reduce mana cost while in form like spriests shadowform buff
So.... It's changing again on the 27th!! Does this mean moonfire and sunfire will become part of our main rotation in pve? Looking forward to hearing your thoughts 😊
Yeah dots are back baby.
Does Nature's grace effect the rotation at all? Is there any benefit to prioritizing wrath vs starfire, or it doesn't make any difference since you have to cast either in the time starsurge is off CD?
nature's grace allows you to fit the starfire and 2 wraths in between starsurges otherwise you will have to wait on globals.
@@ItsAutoTV wowhead has Nature's grace reducing the GCD on wrath as well down to 1.0s. So I ultimately think it doesn't matter since you are casting the same 4 spells within the 6 second CD of Starsurge, maybe 1 or 2 of those spells get a boosted cast time with NGs. The one exception would be if you got all 3 spells with NG, highly unlikely I believe, in that case you could technically fit in an extra Starfire.
yeah it just helps to smooth out the rotation without delaying starsurge.@@neverclevernorwitty7821
What are your talents? :)
So for talents do we take 5 points into improved starfire for the 0.5 reduced cast time? I guess the chance to stun is okay, also. But is it worth over other talents?
only 4 points, if you take 5 you won't have enough left to take moonkin form
sir I need to know your thoughts on latest patch
Lifebloom mana cost reduced by 50%.
Developers’ notes: Lifebloom refunds half its new base mana cost per stack when it expires or is dispelled. This part has always functioned in this way, and we’ve seen a bit of confusion around how the mana return portion of Lifebloom functions.
Living Seed now heals for 50% of the critical heal that planted the seed (was 30%). This heal now blooms from non-periodic healing received, in addition to any damage taken.
Nourish mana cost reduced by 27%.
Moonkin Form now also reduces the mana cost of Moonfire by 50% and increases Moonfire periodic damage by 50%. Sunfire also benefits from this change.
Moonkins can now cast non-healing Restoration spells without cancelling their shapeshift. This includes: Remove Curse, Remove Poison, Abolish Poison, Innervate, Rebirth, Revive, Mark of the Wild, and Gift of the Wild.
Fury of Stormrage improved: when this rune makes Healing Touch instant, it now also makes it castable in all shapeshift forms.
Dots are in and moonkin form is big. Gonna have to make an update video -.-
@@ItsAutoTVyassss update
hope its soon :P@@ItsAutoTV
Do you think it’s worth taking wild growth over Sunfire on later fights then? Surely the extra benefit of off healing is worth more than the minimal damage gain from moving unless you’re trying to parse in the first three weeks for some reason.
Also, is there any merit to casting one wrath before StarFire to bait a Natures Grace proc for the star fire cast? It used to be that we used natures grace on StarFire, so I’m wondering if we still want to try and game it the same way
Good questions. I'm newbie here on balance druid. I also want to ask what cat and bear abilities I can just remove from action bars, cuz I have everything and is quite a mess but I see them not using anything, so if you or kylechermak can help me would be great
it doesnt really matter which spells get nature's grace. all that matters is that you can fit 3 spells between each starsurge and NG helps make that smooth. Wild growth is definitely a viable option if its ever needed it helps a ton but it is highly mana intensive so you will most likely not be able to dps effectively. also hurts on any fight with movement as you will have to moonfire which is considerably worse than sunfire.
each form should have its own bar, unless you're using macros on your caster bar then take off all your feral abilities and use them on your cat/bear specific bars.
@@ItsAutoTV yeah, will do that instead.. but in terms of pvp, will you still enjoy it with the nerf?
I mean I think we warranted the nerf but the problem is there are still tons of classes with insane burst (rogues lol) and with our new hardcast playstyle its gonna be rough until things change. @@caicai.angola
Hi,
I want to propose a rotation which for me could be optimal if u want cast second starfire beetween Starsurge CD.
Starfire (pre pull) ->Starsurge->Starfire->Wrath if critical strike you gain NG on next cast after first WRATH hit target so second WRATH do not benefit NG so you can cast STARFIRE before starsurge.
Example with first WRATH critical : Starfire ( prepull)->Starsurge->Starfire-> Wrath ( critical)->Wrath->Starfire->Starsurge.
Example with first WRATH no critical : Starfire ( prepull)->Starsurge->Starfire-> Wrath ( no critical)->Wrath-Starsurge.
Sorry for my english :)
Wrath does benefit from natures grace. It has a 1 second gcd now.
@@ItsAutoTV Ok, so rotation is all time Starfire ( prepull)->Starsurge->Starfire-> Wrath ( critical)->Wrath->Starfire->Starsurge?
Ty for Answer
@@donlynow nah its prepull starfire - starsurge - starfire - wrath - wrath - starsurge etc etc. You are fitting in an extra starfire where you dont need to.
@@ItsAutoTV You are agree. Ty :)
When’s updated video dropping?? 🎉
So, what exactly is the point of the solar eclipse bubbles? They’re tracking the stacks of wrath crit chance right? If you’re doing the rotation correctly won’t you always have the correct amount of stacks? I am confused on their purpose.
Right now there's not much reason to track stacks but it was big before the changes. Definitely not as required of a weakaura right now.
moonkin sounds really boring now that they nerfed everything
Please...look at Starsurge read the bottom part of skill.
It benefits from all effects for wrath so after a starfire you get next 2 x wraths gives you 30% crit chance. So only use one wrath and save one for starsurge you get the 30% crit chance on the starsurge also.
So you should be opening starsurge - starfire because starsurge is instant to follow up an 80% buffed starfire , then put up your Sunfire and moonfire and starsurge will be up rdy again and you have got 2x extra crit chance use starsurge for 1 and then wrath for the next one. Both will have 30% more crit chance if you get a crit proc you have speed cast for your next starfire then use starsurge and wrath again which will be quick casts and both having 30% crit chance again, this means you'll pretty much always have the extra crit up for both wrath and starsurge and also with decent crit chance you'll also be casting your Starfire and wraths fast.
I seem to run into the issue of doing too much threat
Might be a stupid question but you should moonkin form correct? I just noticed you were not in the video.
yeah start the fight in moonkin form and then if you have to drop form its not worth going back if you risk running oom.
Pve a week ago In bfd with some lvl 30s I was almost top of the charts. After ss nerf way bottom rip
yeah it requires a massive gameplay shift and its still slightly lower than we were before.
Heavy nerfed for PvP 😢 I already started to level an other class I play the game for PvP not dragon punching. If become viable I will come back
Starfire crit rate vs starsurge crit rate is 30% difference so it won’t be the same 😂 the pvp output in comparison to the other classes is laughable. The season was about trying new stuff yet they shoved the Druid in the same cataclysm situation and rotation, nothing new. They could have just retouched the pvp side of the spell without touching the pve but it’s too much work I guess 😂
Yeah having really low critrate on our starfire massively nerfs our pvp burst.
Can you come out with the gnomer boomy PvE guide!?
Anyone know how to change the WA not to disappear when deselecting target? like I want to still see starsurge proc etc
you can change the load settings to load while alive and not just in combat, but it should always display while in combat
Imo I felt that Surge should always crit. That way you could plan NG procs. This would also not break pvp, as Surge hits for... well, not very high.
The rotation definitely feels more clunky without the high critrate however I think a more pressing issue is our dots just severely underperforming compared to our Hardcasts.
I don't mind them getting us to use Starfire in our rotation, but at the expense of Sun/Moonfire feels bad. Will probably run Wild Growth -again- just because its such a strong utility heal
To much mana costs,since u cant use it in Moonkin Form
yeah blizzard really has to rethink our runes if there's something that's supposed to be new and fun and it doesnt even give us any tangible benefit.
Wouldn’t it be worth spamming wrath if the mob is effected by the dream state debuff and you have 4 stacks of lunar eclipse, you can fire off 4 wrath pretty quick and all have a high chance to crit
Starsurge and starfire are higher damage per global with the changes. so its best to use them on cd
Stack manipulation? You mean suneclipse manipulation because lunar eclipse could just be inserted into the starsurge buff because aint no one casting starfires aside from the buffed one. I wish they did that and made lunar also give 30% crit would really help on pvp and pve making us see more starfirecrits and more starsurges crits, because doing 200damage on 3k health oneshoting classes is kinda not even worth pressing just heal and run.
Yeah the rotation before the starsurge change was to maintain your solar eclipse stacks by starfiring only when you needed to refresh stacks. It was a bit more dynamic and required some thought. now you starfire so much that you will never run out.
@@ItsAutoTVyes but i do not only account for pve situations pvp is also part of class balancing and keeping that in mind u rarely cast starfires in pvp so you really do run out of solar stacks, and again, 200 damage starsurge kinda feels really sub compared to what other classes do. Also the dopamine o seeing those fat crits is why i think lunar should be totally changed. also sunfire should be changed, I don't mind not using moonfire its not a rune ability.
what actionbar addon are you using?
Bartender. Its the 3 bars stacked preset.
Talents?
Where can we find your WA? , looking clean!
In the description!
“Moonkins just got a big nerf…”
Boomkin players from back when Wrath & Cata were live: “First time?”
Kinda made the balance druid a bit useless in PVP.
idk I was shitting on people in bloodmoon lol
@Moogle Sure, so have I but once everyone decided to not let me sit in back and free cast, it ended 😐
thanks for the video, can you link the balance druid discord?
discord.gg/BKrZ9aUb
Fellow boomie here, glad I found your vid. What's your thoughts on AoE? Is hurricane even worth casting?
EDIT: Appreciate the weakauras too, been searching for some.
Hurricane is worth it on 6 targets or more. Otherwise its kinda rough, mana wise it's probably best to just continue doing your single target rotation and tab target.
@@ItsAutoTV That's what I figured, thanks!
surely they won't change boomies again this phase right
Aware
you should never cast starfire without the proc from starsurge. I see you starting battles with it.
At this point I wish they never created starsurge and just had starfire to be worth a damn to begin with
True, or just had it like starsurge worked in further expansions where it was a spender of resources you generate through other spells. Then it can justify the high burst but only after building up to it.
@@ItsAutoTV I completely agree. Or give it an additional effect that refreshes your dots or something
Link to boomie disc?
discord.com/invite/classicdruid
New video when? I want pvp video please:)
Like a female you did a great job on this Chanel !
uuuh thanks?
I dont know. I dont like the idea to start a fight with a "no boosted" long cast starfire. Looks weird.
I start with starsurge, cast a 2 sek starfire with bonus dmg.
Its precast so its before the pull so it lands exactly when the fight starts!
I ❤ u
All I care is about getting flap rune or passive. Come on blizzard.
It's dead? Because one shot with instant cast was competitive... 😂😂
Balance druids have been ruined for lower lvls trying to climb...absolutely horrible experience at 25.
Boomie pvp is dead :/
Druid is still versatile but the pvp balance will be a mess for a while I think.
Stop back pedaling and you are fine lol
it's not dead but you definitely have to focus more on utility and healing, starsurge dmg isn't very high anymore
I love putting curse of tongue on them now 😂
Wrong
if you could talk just a slightly softer that would be perfect
I'll try mix the audio better for next video for sure.
@@ItsAutoTV lol i thought he was being sarcastic
@@boxxeram I cant tell really but there are some parts of the video where the music makes it a bit harder to understand.
Не понимаю, это разве нормально что перед глазами постоянно воспроизводится анмиация Затмений ? Зачем близзард это сделали ? Любой каст теперь провоцирует затмения ? Зачем делать уникальную анимацию такой назойливой ? У них всё хорошо вообще со вкусом ?
Eclipse is easily one of the worst mechanics in the game.
Meele cry about casters, hope meele get the same bs treatment as casters at lvl 60 where meele absolutily delete and 1shot casters
Yeah the speed at which we were nerfed is pretty rough considering we're now pretty weak in every part of the game.
So long story short druid is garbage and will continue to be lowest dps and will still get destroyed in PVP. Getting solo'd by pets doesnt feel good..........
definitely not lowest dps lol, look at logs. Also use the tools druid has to counter pets lmao.
Yeah we are currently struggling across the board but we have some starfire buffs coming on reset.
if you are getting solo'd by pets you should bind more buttons than starsurge.
New video for phase 3? I using old rotation but I find Sunfire runs out faster than moonfire.
They nerf this but not Arcane surge?