Transgender Sports Debate
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What about people who transition after puberty? What about lung capacity? The average female has 4.3 liters of lung capacity, while the average male has 6 liters. Wouldn't this give males a significant advantage in endurance based sports, such as long runs/swims?
You can train to control your breath
@@Sardonic_Siren Sure, but if both the average biological female and the average trans woman trained their breath as much as they could, the trans woman would still have higher lung capacity.
@@12lbbluefish3 it's funny how you idiots use the word 'biological' to deligitimise a trans woman's gender.
Biology is more than just chromosomes and genitals. It's genetic makeup, brain chemistry and so on.
Scientifically speaking, literally every argument against trans women has been debunked completely. The evidence proving that trans women are women is irrefutable...unless you're an idiot that ignores science.
the solution is to let them transition before pubebrty
@@joesmamaofficial this is why we have puberty blockers that are proven to be safe and reversible. Yet transphobes don't care, because their refusal to understand science is one way of them trying to erase us.
and that's why i never touched any sports! people in my country dont even know even 1% of this (yknow, common sense that you shouldn't be a jerk! even science says otherwise about trans people but my country is outdated on this topic) and i'm super afraid i'll face lots of mocking and discrimination
I love how he’s all informative… and then just casually roasts some people
Yeah, it's pretty great
"Texas. The state that looks at everyone around it doing everything right and says "How could we possibly do this wrong?
It's kinda entertaining, yeah, but these casual roasts also take away some of the credibility for me. Watching someone attack those who disagree with them on an issue they have personal stakes in while not questioning their own stance could cause a bad aftertaste of propaganda for some people.
@@victor-hi2uw as hominem
@@victor-hi2uw couldn’t agree more, like come on we need to be better than these hateful people, “roasting them” and thinking yourself automatically superior to them is literally what we don’t like about them...
There was a debate on this in school.
Right after they said “transgender”
Everyone started being transphobic in the auditorium.
I started crying and screaming at them to shut up.
I screamed “Trans rights!”
The auditorium went silent then our teacher said that it was time to leave and I ran out.
I will speak up.
I’m going to join debates like this so that I can stop the homophobia and transphobia at my school.
I hate people who can’t accept other people.
Hey, I know that I'm some random guy on the internet, but I want you to know that I feel your pain. School sucks, but things do get better along the way. Nothing lasts forever my friend. You're very strong to stand up for yourself, drive and energy like that brings you ahead in life. It sucks to get discriminated, and it says nothing about your self worth.
I hope you're doing better now-
that was very brave of you 😔💙💖🤍
I mean what were they saying
that's my person! you do that! (Idk your pronouns)
I'm proud of you for speaking out against the hate, and trying to make a change, we need even more people like you
I've been thinking about this and I believe it should come to athletic skill. Find out who is the better athlete through competition not debate.
It’s been done many times over. cis women don’t get a sniff of success. That’s the whole reason why sports is sex segregated in the first place 🤦♂️
@@memyselfandi2506 Actually, the reason is separate in the first place is probably misogyny, but that in itself is based on the differences between the two sexes, so you're technically right anyway.
@@FluffyEmmy1116 yes that is a factor however, from a biological point of view its unfair do on on gender assigned at birth
@@Jeff_Bondd Can you repeat/rephrase that? I don't understand the second part of that comment. Also to clarify, by "gender assigned at birth" you mean "biological sex" and not "gender identity", correct?
Men.
I feel like most sports just don’t make any effort to make things easier for trans people. I’m a swimmer myself (and closeted trans) and I know that in swimming people competing as boys are not allowed to wear full swim suits due to the advantage of it compressing your body more but I feel like if they just said everyone is allowed to wear full swim suits and people who it would be appropriate to could still wear swim trunks if they want to, that way everyone has the same ‘advantage’ therefore meaning it is no longer an advantage.
What exactly does a swimsuit for someone? How does compression work in their favour?
@@Disheartthorn Hydrodynamics, I'd wager. Basically less friction and less "braking surface" = faster in water.
I am a ally to everyone
@@neoqwertyThat's such a stupid reason too, as if there's no females without breasts or the wider body frame of a cis man doesn't have a disadvantage... It's almost like there's more than two body types out there
Have you came out yet?
I feel as thought the debate is a bit more nuanced and less black and white as it is presented here and warrants a much deeper discussion than what this 18 minute video can provide
Perhaps you’re right but if that longer discussion is to happen, it has to happen with sports experts at groups like International Olympics Committee and doctors specializing in gender therapy and transition. The decision here shouldn’t be made by politicians or parents of cisgender kids. And it certainly shouldn’t be made by religious hate groups with a massive financial incentive to help anti-LGBTQ folks. If this was to be a debate, we welcome it but only on qualified individuals in the fields. So I hope we can agree to that. In the meantime, this video was made to help others understand the other side of how much it hurts trans people to exclude them from the debate over their own rights.
@@PoweredByRainbows how can you say that "hate groups" shouldn't be allowed in the conversation, when you legit call anyone who disagrees with you a "hater", or a member of a hate group.
@@12lbbluefish3 Uhh... groups like the Alliance Defending "Freedom," which spews hate and, as I discovered myself, contains links and "citations" of their own articles and literally no other evidence, are most definitely hate groups.
@@12lbbluefish3 No, the LGBTQ community does not call people who disagree haters. We call BIGOTS that. Bigotry is different from disagreement.
@@VelaiciaCreator I disagree with trans athletes competing on the team that doesn't match their sex. Am I a bigot or do I just disagree? Because many people would say I'm a bigot for that.
as a trans girl.. its difficult for me to compete in sports. im pre transition and hrt and id like to compete in womens category but im afraid of the hate and yes i do have much more muscle mass- i was ~25th in our country but compared to womans id be first by a big part. and transitioning will just make me underperform for very long untill i can compete in womans where im scared ill just crush the competition
@@ambientjohnny i.. dont understand your point? maybe i just missunderstood and correct me if that the case. but, im trans woman first of all. (mtf in other words if thats where the missunderstanding is). From what i read and how i understood it thats quite a transphobic comment..
How i understood it was "youre amab-compete in male category. you just want to win so thats why you want to compete against women" again, if thats not how you meant it, my bad, i missunderstood
if that is what you meant however, please read my original comment once again and try to pay attention
@@antoninstrelba1948 i think what she meant was that shes a trans girl and wants to compete in categories aligning with her gender, but she doesnt want to face transphobia because according to her, she has much more muscle mass than cis girls at the moment bc she is pre-transition. I hope I understood properly.
@@antoninstrelba1948 I've been swiming my enitre life however a few years ago I had some health issues than Force me to stay away from it for about a year... that was not a very fun year for me, so I can't imagen how that must feels like for you. I hope than in the end thing will be good for you.
I’d understand that, but if you participate in women’s sports as a trans women (in most, not all cases), it’s not fair to the others. You work hard to compete but the others also work hard. You win by a big shot and they feel it’s unfair, which it is, it’s considered insensitive and rude, you show no sympathy for those that work hard while you participate with an unfair advantage. They start to despise you and people like you. Trans people want to be seen as an equal but it just can’t be. They don’t want their own (sports) category no matter how unfair it is for others. I understand the passion for sports and I wholeheartedly support the LGBTQ+ community. You can see where I’m coming from, if you are born a male you have an advantage. It doesn’t matter what you take to stop it, you will always have that advantage (even if it’s just a small one),It really depends on the situation and person I guess. Some are more even, while others are not, and they know this and continue anyways, regardless of anybody else’s feelings.
@@tilefloor6824 You're absolutely right about the advantage. Which is why a trans or open weight division should be made for every sport
I have 3 comments to make here (MtF myself, but never really cared for sports):
1. Calling transphobes uneducated will get them mad and will cause them to stop listening to reason (although I guess they weren't doing that anyway).
2. Although I was weaker compared to most boys, even during puberty, I wouldn't dare say I could compete fairly with cis women. I'd still have needed a pretty long time on HRT to get to that point.
3. You saying transgender people are born with lower muscle mass etc compared to cis people of their AGAB: what is your source for this? I find it hard to believe either way. It would give a definitive binary answer to the question of whether someone is trans, without even asking them (which kind of defeats the point).
EDIT: oh I see you did cite sources. Well, my point still stands.
I haven't watched the video yet, but I just looked through all of his sources and couldn't find a single one that supports the claim the a transgirl is born with a lower muscle mass than a cisboy.
I got a really preaching to the choir vibe with the video. It's not persuasive at all and not even that informative. It's way better to cover how these categories actually don't work as well as people pretend they did and are silly even if we pretend only cis people exist and how anti-trans measures literally discriminate against cis women.
I just had a debate with my grandma about this the other day and didn’t really have much to back up my side, so this video came at the perfect moment. Awesome!!
I’m a trans girl and amateur powerlifter, and I have to say, claiming our bodies have been closer in strength to a cis woman throughout puberty seems off. By that logic, we would never have to take hormones to compete fairly against cis women. The problem with trans people in sports isn’t trans people, it’s with the classification of sports into 2 groups: men and women, as if that’s enough. But at the same time, I can see how making trans women and trans men categories is icky because it implies we’re not just as much of women or trans men aren’t just as much men. It’s a complicated problem and I don’t know the solution
I couldn't agree more.
Thank you for acknowledging the difficulty of this issue. I really hate how the maker of this video just labels anyone who doesn't agree with his exact view "transphobic".
Thank god someone with some common sense
@@equaus5276 Thanks, but at the same time I don't blame other queer people for getting passionate about this subject. We should be treated fairly and it's dehumanizing how privileged cis people are in so many regards. Our brains already tell us our bodies are wrong, and it fucking hurts to hear the same thing from these privileged cis people.
Agreed.
I strongly believe that if someone has the right amount of skill, stamina and drive; ANYONE should be allowed to play a sport (regardless of age, gender or sexual identity)
Things that are more likely for men to have
If it’s even sure, some Trans women take advantage of what they have and use it to their advantage in sports, making the entirety of the Trans-sports community look bad. Men biological have better stamina and being in sports means they have even more as they exercise/train- more then women.
@@tilefloor6824 did you not watch the video above you that literally disproved this lmao
It's about drive, it's about power, we stay hungry, we DEVOUR
@@peve9132 Watch the video as many times as you need for it to get through to your little brain...perhaps you should also take a look at the sources in the description.
Playing Devil's Advocate for a second, I can kinda understand the anxiety with pre-transition, post-puberty trans women like myself. Because I never got access to puberty blockers, my body still developed with a masculine framework. The performance difference between me and my cis friends is small but still present.
Of course I do still think we should be allowed to be in the correct division, but society is backwards and my area in the Midwest just doesn't make it feasible..
And a side note, sports with less emphasis on physical strength and more reliant on skill should have no difference whatsoever. Thankfully we have a good inspiration in motorsport with trans driver Charlie Martin.
@@littlebitsostuff963 Did you even watch the video? Half of your "arguments" are dismissed in the video.
As already mentioned the IOC made rules for Transpeople and the have experts and scientist make them. Take their word as a better opinion then what people think should happen or should be done
@@LaLenaGaming Questoin. Why are you being hostile?
And no, I'm whatching it now. I went to the comments to try and find transphobic clowns, but saw this and got to thinking. Watching the video now i see some of my argments are reufuted. Im also going to go research how they did theyre testing (The Pepole that made the rules) and see if it follows the scientifcic method. I'm sure it does. I mainly just want to make sure (like he said) This issue isn't solved by hot takes and Emotoins.
Now I don't know where Professor Pride got his data, But I'll dig into that. Whatever The scientific method spits out i 100% Believe in, and the data I've seen points to my side, but the data could be flawed, Faked, or Misleading.
@@littlebitsostuff963 Im not hostile, just a bit annoyed because it always the same uninformed Takes on the topic yk.
I assure you our research team is not “uninformed” so we hope you learn something from the video.
Something I find sad is if a trans woman wins at a sporting event it’s immediately thought it’s because she’s trans not because she worked hard to achieve it. Basically trans women in sports feel like they have to underachieve in order to not face all that hate and even then they still face so much hate ☹️
YES! This is so true! Thank you
But that usually is the case. Basic biology.
@@patilly100 "Ya I sorta listened in biology class I know what I'm talking about!"
@@patilly100 hey so I’m just gonna point out there was a recent incident where the 16th place winner in swimming competition believed she belonged higher but was beaten by a trans woman.
Where was this trans woman? In 5th place. There were plenty of cis women ahead of 16th and 5th but guess who got a story framed around them as “taking rightful places of women argh!”
Yeah the whole situation is ignorant bullshit, just like your basic biology comment. Speaking of biology though, by transitioning and taking the correct amount of hormones the body will *biologically* change to adjust to the hormones and the changes they bring. The human body already comes with all of these hormones though so maybe you just don’t know what the word “biologically” means?
@@patilly100 Cite your studies, c'mon, it's not that hard.
I know there's one that was done in the army and measured running and situp performances, and trans women had a mean 9% average (with 12% being the highest result) edge over cis women in running, where they were otherwise comparable to cis women after 2 years of HRT.
Meanwhile trans men after 1 year of HRT were equivalent to cis men and even did an average of one extra situp per 30 seconds, so if you don't want women bodied, you'd want trans men to compete with men, at the least.
Your presentation style is incredible.
I'm grateful we have people like you standing up for us. Thank you
Also, your energy in the last bit of this video was legendary 😂
It seems esports is only sporting events a trans person can get in without questions.
because esports is one of the rare sports in which someones physical advantages such as muscle mass and bone density are useless
@Benjamin Burgess Well still part down stairs is still not a good way group them. Some cis men don't have any what stereotypes of a man has. And that gose to women. There is cis women will hurt a man very bad if she not careful. I think it should go by weight class. Because you will get it more better pic of each person then the one we do now.
@@1bennyburgess Okay then. Tried to piss off a women that built a brick shit house. And then come back to me.
I wanted to join the soccer team, but I felt like it would look bad on me if I performed well, and if I didn't, people would think that it was good that she was not adequate. I just want to play the sport that I enjoy.
right don't listen to the haters
Honestly, I'm really doubting it's possible to tell a boy from a trans girl at birth. At least not consistently. Honestly, aside from genitalia and some very small brain structure differences, babies aren't all that different from each other whether they be boy or girl, trans or cis.
I would think that the age when their chemical transition starts and whether or not puberty blockers were used have a huge impact.
I just wish we could have this debate and have it be based on statistics and science instead of anecdotes and thinly veiled transphobia. Like, we can acknowledge that a trans woman might have an unfair advantage from going through male puberty, while still respecting her as a woman.
@@georgeanthony4834 No, a trans girl is a trans GIRL.
IIRC Trans women have to be on testosterone blockers for 1 to 2 years, so the unfair advantage shouldn't play that big a role
16:53 I disagree with your solution. It still segregates men and women based on gender even they're on matching teams. Also, team are non-binary people on? If there's zero advantage, why not remove gendered teams all-together and just make sports teams unisex?
Someon born in a male body vs. Someone norn in a female body.... I have a feeling the person born in the male body would win at wrestling as stated in the video. You can't have someone with a physical advantage compete with someone who has a disadvantage.
I might be missing something everybody else is seeming to get. So if I'm missing something that would be obvious let me know. No harm intended just wanna use facts and I will consider whatever you have to say if your reply (please do because I feel like everyone will disagree with me and not tell me why).
@@meowzerse.a.7611 That's where weight crossed with skill class comes in! Like with wrestling
It makes it so that 300 pound buff cis men won't be going against the 150 pound trans men who are basically sticks. Or any other gender stuff for that matter-
Frankly, it makes more sense, cause even with the current system you'd have women that could probably break concrete with their fists, if they tried hard enough, against people who can barley hold 35 pounds.
So, it'd be inclusive, and keep the buff people from snapping the little one's spines-
@@meowzerse.a.7611 There was the whole point in the video about there NOT being an advantage, unless it just assumes trans-men are naturally stronger than other female peers and evens out fairness, which just sounds a bit sketchy to me. I figured the whole "zero advantage" point was between sexes as opposed to genders. Gender means nothing in terms of anatomy and body structure.
@@FluffyEmmy1116 Maybe I wasn't clear but that's kinda what I meant. If I said gender instead then that was my bad.
@@meowzerse.a.7611 yeah, I mean, i agree there are, in fact, sex-based differences in human anatomy in regards to natural athleticism, but the bigger issue is gender.
whether someone is a cis-man or a trans- woman, they're male regardless. In terms of sports in general, I feel like the best options are to separate sports by sex regardless of gender, or just don't seperate anything, and combine men's and women's sports.
The whole concept of gender just makes things more complicated than it needs to be. If society just one day decided to abolish gender, we wouldn't need to even have this debate.
I Strongly dislike conservatives with anti-LGTBQ Views. I feel there is real concern about negative views of Trans athletes having a strong impact on their mental health. However, you can't report tendencies and opinions as facts.
You lose credibility.
Yes, let trans kids have access to safe gender affirming care, and let them compete in the school activities they desire. Otherwise your are just making them miserable, and literally segregating them.
Kids cannot consent to such permanent changes to their bodies. It is better to help them accept reality. Also they are the ones segregating themselves. They want to force themselves into places that make others uncomfortable. I can't just barge into a woman's dressing room and yell "Segregation" when they scream at me to get out. That's not how this works.
*and nonbinary
I can't participate in any sports because it's only female and male
Mack Beggs: I want to compete in the boys' wrestling since I am a boy
Texas: NO
Mack Beggs: *wins against girls*
Texas: *surprised pikachu face*
You just burned every sports lover in your opening
Trans woman are woman, buuuuuuuuut....
Trans men are also men
@@Anonymous33326 What is a person like you doing here?
@@Anonymous33326 why the f ck are you here then?
The only correct answer to that
Why split up sports by gender at all?
This might be crazy, but why not split competing categories by body mass/strength instead of gender, kind of like Weight Classes in Boxing?
That's exactly what I've been trying to tell my mom!!
I've been thinking it doesn't really work for all sports, some measure speed and so far i have only noticed differences based on gender (including trans athletes), with males being faster in most categories I've seen, and i also saw a study where trans women have a 9% advantage to cis women, so i still don't know where I would fit running (i don't know score differences here).
I ve come with the conclusion that separating by gender works in most categories but that mixed could be the option for other too. But idk I'm not a sports scientist person
Because biological women would get demolished 99.9% of the time in 99% of any sport
🤣this is proof that u and the fools who think like u understand nothing about sport. Search lucia rijker. THE GREATEST FEMALE BOXER EVER. She was never close to being beaten. Then she fought a male nobody and got knocked out. That ends that debate then
That's what i've been thinking as well. A similar system as to weight classes like we see in boxing, wresting, and mma.
But making the sections based on specifics tailored to each sport. Because not every sport can be fairly segregated by weight/body mass alone. So we can make speed classes to compete in, with 5-10 second ranges for each class.
Or like track and field you got multiple varieties of competition within each sport multiple types of running races at various distances/intensity or multiple throwing competitions like discus, shot, hammer, javelin. So you could compete by distance thrown.
Basketball is a tricky one, but based on personal experience, i think we could easily justify full integration of that into a unisex league of sorts. There's a strength aspect when playing center down by the basket but the rest is down to basic physical fitness and your skill.
Football (USA) is a bit trickier to integrate and make genderless. Especially when playing as a lineman, strength and size play a big part in doing well in those positions. Aside from one or two other positions adding women into a predominantly male sport wouldn't be too hard to rationalize. but would also be extremely difficult to implement still.
Football/soccer, just make it gender neutral already. There's some strength aspects i guess, with how hard/fast you can kick the ball, making more difficult to stop/defend against it. But i think it's mostly strategy, skill and endurance that makes a difference.
Baseball/Softball is an interesting/tricky dilemma though. although they are basically the same sport, there are still key differences in how they are played and with some of the rules. The size of the ball used and how they pitch being the most notable differences. Idk how to integrate the two sports while preserving their uniqueness (at this point they are basically separate sports who are closely linked, kinda like cousins)
I'm not even gonna touch hockey, because even though i'm a minnesotan i don't know nearly enough about this sport to begin debating how this would play out.
This is a pretty good video. Although, some of the facts arent quite correct. I think her name was Christine Jorgensen competed in females tennis in the 1960s. Also fun fact, the same testing to disqualify trans women today was developed in the 40s I believe to disqualify a cis woman from competing as she was winning. The whole testosterone levels thing. It's not that trans persons bodies were born closer to that of our identity, it's that transitioning get us there. Muscle mass and strength, bone density, height, and stamina is affected. For me I didn't transition until my early 30s. I played boys football in high school. I was 6 ft 275 lbs of muscle. I competed with boys that were 140 lbs. Literally half of me. No one cared. I sent ALOT of people away in an abulance.from what I hear some never recovered. I squatted 800lbs benched 230lbs. I hit people so hard I broke my own helmet frequently. Now after transitioning, I'm 200 lbs, 5' 9" my feet even shrank 3 sizes. I get tired easy, I need more sleep, and I have trouble lifting 75 lbs. My hips got wider which was really painful while it was doing that. I even had a point where I was having pregnancy symptoms. Weird cravings, morning sickness, lactating, etc. Now every month I go through a few days of mood swings, and cramps and my boobs hurting with decreased energy. Oh yeah those are clear advantages lmao.
Trans rights are human rights and human rights are trans rights.
This week? Goddammit!! That leaves me... a week to film my speech for that event of yours.
by their logic, transgender men should be able to compete in womens sports. sure, the testosterone wont give them an advantage. this is why the story of Mack Beggs is so powerful in this debate.
No the fact that they're taking hormone supplements should disqualify them as dopers. Mack should have been disqualified immediately I don't know why they allowed her to play
@@Edward-bm7vw him* and watch the video
Not totally related but still- Im in grade 11 and my school GSA is making a slide show to talk about the trans community for the trans visibility day. Both the discrimination we face when it comes to bathrooms and sports among other hate but also the good parts. Im hopefully people will actually care but honestly im doubtful they will but atleast it was fun to make a project with my friends. c:
"that price the transgender got should have been mine"
Sounds a lot like something I hear from racists. "I should have gotten the job taken up by the migrants"
They're not seeking fair play, they're seeking every advantage they can get for themselves. Everything that allows them to reach their goals with minimal effort (as you mentioned, trans athletes aren't better for being trans, but for putting in the effort
"It was my victory and it got stolen by that (Insert slur here) that shouldn't be here." jerk that came in 7th to 9th place.
Used to hear that all the time when I did competitive horse back riding. Its people who coast off there talent and then complain when people who actually put in the effort kick there buts.
The fact that y’all think elite-level athletic women aren’t putting in work, but trans women that claim they’re weaker from hormones are, is just the chef’s kiss. Women can’t win. Physically and metaphorically.
I may have said this on this channel before, but what if there was some algorithm so sort people into different categories based on things like muscle mass, weight, etc.? This would also lead to the inclusion of non-binary people in sport!
Just have ranking instead of gendering.
Oh i love this idea!
This is a good idea....
Why wasn't this the standard from the get-go
8:08 to 8:30 says all I need to be on the trans supporting side of the argument. Thanks for making this video though, I didn't know much about specific science of what changes during hormones, and this video probably cleared up a lot of misconceptions for many people.
I don’t think it does though. If you listen to it carefully, all he’s saying is that trans women are not as strong as cis men, and trans men are often strong than cis women.
That doesn’t mean that trans women are on an even playing field with cis women, nor trans men with cis men.
This debate really needs to be had at the level of the individual person. It is harmful to the community to treat all trans people as if they are the same.
The arguement of "Someone who is male could pretend to compete in female sports"
People already Can do that, it's Been done, but generally if something like that happens, someone speaks up.
But for the most part, most people aren't gonna do that, because they don't want people to be like "Oh, your trans? Hah, idiot" and get harrassed in various ways.
Especially in the States, I don't live there, but I've learned, being trans around all of these stupid people is not an advantage on any front.
Phelps illegal drug usage was marijuana. That is hardly a performance enhancing drug.
I was watching a Peta bootleg games let's play But I saw you uploaded and immediately clicked
you make some good points and i love most of your videos but this one did feel pretty biased and closed to debate when you label people making reasonable points "haters".
You were super spot on tho when saying "transphobic" people cant make up their minds. but again the label transphobic is not completely accurate considering they arent acting unjustly or with any malice to the trans community just by not sharing your opinion. It's almost strawman to ignore the the difference in physicality between someone born male/female to someone who has transitioned, especially when talking about sport which is dependant almost solely on physicality.
not hating or anything tho love you and your videos and these are important topics thank you for giving them more attention
I have a lot of trans people in my life, mostly trans men. I dont know how common this is but from my experience alone trans women will commonly have a closer strength / build to someone who is born with female genitalia than the average man (i dont like talking so broadly tho) my friends have told me this is because they want to look more slender, to them it feels more feminine.
While it is the case that they might not be as strong as the average man (making it unfair for them to be forced to compete against men, and also pretty discriminatory and dismissive of their gender identity). It is also the case that if they decided to start competing in sports they have a large genetic advantage and a much heigher ceiling for muscle mass (making it unfair for people born with female genitalia to be forced to compete against trans females)
i honestly hope no one is reading this coz im rambling now
my belief is that the solution to this problem is to allow men to compete against men and women to compete against women. I'm not sure how they would decide who is male and who is female (for example could someone who identifies as male without male genitalia be allowed to compete as male?) i dont know, i feel like they should be able to tho, its only sport for fucks sake i think trans inclusivity is much more important than a fair sport.
but then it all circles back round to the undeniable fact that it IS actually an unfair playing field and some people really really hate that, so is it discrimination if these people decide to play their own sports and only allow genetic males against genetic males and vice versa ??
for that i have no answer because there is such a broad spectrum of people and opinions
i could understand it being discrimination if they excluded trans people because they dont like them, but thats not what this is. People keep trying to say thats what this is and for some people i guess it is that to be honest, especially in Texas. But the *actual* debate Is not that. The debate comes down to a simple question
"is it discrimination to sacrifice trans peoples inclusivity in sports for the sake of a fair playing field ?", and if its not discrimination it is still arguably morally wrong "arguably" tho, not decidedly. There are plenty of things that are segregated at the cost of other peoples inclusivity for much dumber reasons and no one bats an eye.
just trying to figure out my own opinion on this ngl lol
just been discussing this with my friend and he brought up height and weight as a way of grouping people for competition, this makes a lot of sense to me as a solution
That roast at the beggining tho- god damnn 💀
My favorite comeback is asking "name 1 trans athlete" and them realizing they dont know a damn thing
@@georgeanthony4834 ofc internet replies will have an answer. The comeback works outside
Gah damn Prof. Pride be spitting facts AND fire!
I had been on the fence about this issue for a while mainly because I had it too simple in my mind, glad to be informed!
I am an ally and progressive, so don't ban me from the channel. I actually like your videos, especially the one on validating trans people in general. I am a trainer, I have to say, the clear solution is..... a trans or open weight division, depending on the sport
Unless they have been taking puberty blockers, since before the differences of boys and girls take place, specifically strength and bone density.... There is a major advantage for transwomen vs cis women. It's no fair to anyone, and as a former athlete I'd be more than midly annoyed... if someone who has a major advantage bumped down my rank.
It's about what's fair. I'm an ally and progressive, and since I went to Kinesiology (the study of human movement) class, I understand there is a major advantage. Bone density stays the same when on estrogen. Being weaker than a cis man, does not make it fair. Still a far stretch.
I think you might have some bias here. I don't know a soul that studies exercise science, human physiology, or anything with a PhD in relation to the human body, that thinks there isn't an advantage. I like your channel and I am a new subscriber, but you're off here
8:03 "those state champiomships should have been mine!" 😭💅
As an MtF after my 30s and a fighter, I'm pretty much average if I compete against another woman. I'm 5.6 and 132lbs so pretty "normal" for this weight category BUT I know I have a huge advantage in my reach. The point is, all women in my family have the same structure and I got this at birth too. I can literally punch a woman outside my reach without getting hit even if she has the same height and sometimes higher height than me.
This feature isn't my "male structure" from the lack of puberty blockers, but a genetic feat I got from my family who all have the same thing. Heck, my sister has a reach even bigger than mine and broader shoulders.
The point is, biology isn't easy, advantages with bones, muscles, height and all things you can gain by genes (being a gene freak like all the top sport contesters in the world) can deceive and be hard for others to judge cuz we don't have a huge sample to study about it. For haters, my shoulders can be my "male features" but if I show all women in my family they probably will shut up or bring up other excuses like "she's too strong, or fast, or have a huge stamina" you know? All the things we fighters TRAIN TO HAVE.
I don't get people. Never have and probably never will.
They want a more even playing field, but they never seem to support gender affirming care which would take away most advantages gained from a male puberty.
i think its just such a tricky debate, both sides of it arent 100% correct - it is true that biologically, male bodies have physical advantages over female bodies in sports like lung capacity, muscle mass etc etc, and so that makes it tricky for trans women competing in female sport categories even if it is their rightful category because people will always complain they have a physical advantage, and some of the time they will be correct. However, not allowing trans people to compete at all is clearly problematic, along with creating a whole new seperate category for trans people because that would be even more alienating and enforcing the idea they arent 'real' men or women.
My only thought is that not all trans ppl transition the same? This assumes that all trans ppl get puberty blockers and hormones. What if someone transitions later in life? They would have an advantage bc they’ve already developed certain hormonal and bodily growth in line with their biological sex.
I know we want and should be sensitive to the identity of trans people, their experience and gender is valid. But I don’t think that sensitivity should outshadow the truth that men and women are built differently, that’s why people medically transition in the first place. If that difference didn’t exist, it wouldn’t be necessary. Those differences still remain somewhat intact when you transition later in life.
I agree. As a trans woman I say you shouldnt have a developed male body even if you are on hormones, because bone structure and things like that can affect the sport a lot. They should make sure it's fair first before letting them compete, but either way its such a rough subject for trans people too knowing they cant compete just cause they are biologically a male. Its rough
@@goobergirl_ I am not a trans person, but I do wonder how helpful the statement“trans women/men are women/men” is in the world of sports. Of course it is true on a societal and internal level- gender is a personal identity that no one can take away. But when it comes to sports, that field analyzes everyone’s hormones and bodies, it is strictly a physical analysis. And I think for some ppl it is towing the line between being sensitive and affirming to the identity of trans ppl, and also being fair from a purely biological perspective. I do believe if the playing field is even, trans men and women should play in their respective gendered sport, but it does seem like when there is an unfair advantage, people become transphobic, rather than trying to find a fair solution.
Let’s be real there’s nothing that could make the Cowboys win a game anymore
Lollllll
It's sad this is still a thing. Biology and stuff is why we do have a girls team and a boy's team, but I google it and if you are trans and not on hormones you can choose what team you want, if you are on hormones you have to compete for the team match the hormones you are taking.
I recently did a search on this, one of the few articles that asked science.
It found barely to no advantage. And our community has a horrible track record when it comes to sport
Trans people could lose ever single event they ever participated in and they'd still find a way to paint us as monsters. Bigots gonna bigot.
@@maddiepaige715 the exact case with Lia Thomas, won 1 competition and got 5th and 10th on the others, the new: MALE TAKES MEDALS AND RECORDS FOR WOMEN
She's just like any other athelete but people refuse to see
Cite these studies that claim this.
What are you talking about? All you have to do is look at the male records versus female records for things like running speed and lift strength and you can see there clearly is a difference.
@@zweks A trans who ranked 400 when she was male, get your head out of your ass.
Hi, one minor point. The few studies on puberty blockers & bone density indicates that diet & exercise are as much a factor as hormone levels. That's why doctors monitor the kids & has them take supplements, improve diet & exercise, etc.
Holy heck this is so current with the whole Thomas controversy
Why are sports even split into multiple groups based on gender? Seriously why is this thing?????
How did Mack Beggs do at college wrestling on the male team?
If you don't like it just be better at sports
Im a varsity swimmer. I just want to swim. You a girl? Get in the pool. You a boy? Get in the pool. You non-binary like me? Get in the pool.
Easy solution - categorize by height and weight, etc. Don't big people have unfair advantage of little people in many sports? Most sports have categories for experience too. Gender is really a silly category.
Its really stupid because it's only when they come out as trans that people start complaining...
Trans guy here, hi. Didn't know how to feel about this debate because of the lack of non-biased or trans supporting arguments. The news articles are so noisy, and althoughI'd absolutely despise being in the womens team... I didn't have a way to refute the argument because of my lack of knowledge.
So grateful for your video, i've been thinking about this topic for quite a while now.
Why can't we love each other,why do we have to put up stubborn walls and gates!?
The first 30 seconds of this video are glorious. I love his roasts on sports❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Lmaooooooooo me too
As a trans kid in Texas, hearing that trans kids aren't allowed to compete in the sports that align with their gender in my state makes me sad.
I know it sucks right now, I hope you have support in your life. Stay Strong!
Hey, do you mind doing a video on neopronouns because I know that it is an important topic and debated upon even in the lgbtq+ community (only of course, if the channel feels comfortable with it)
I honestly think we should just go by skill level and not gender. But i do get both sides of the debate. Honestly if you face someone who is close to your skill level male or female thats fair. Ive done wrestling before and trust me ive got my @$$ kicked by some girls.
What I think is that all genders should be able to play sports everywhere no matter what. It doesn't matter what gender you are, everyone deserves the right to play sports.
any gender is allowed to play sports. the teams are separate to make it fair.
"Playing sports" can mean different things, though. It may mean doing it casually, at a local spot designed for a certain sport or it may mean doing it competitively. I personally think that everyone can do the first one, but when it comes to competitive sport, trans people will have either unfair advantage or unfair disadvantage, depending if they're trans woman or trans man.
@@annanas9122 Either way, every gender should have the right to play whatever sport they wanna play.
@@AwesomeM856everybody should have the right to play. That right doesn’t include competing with women as a biological man.
Lmao those first 4 seconds do it for me, I'm liking this.
Hear me out. I'm not transphobic in any sort of way. I really support the lgbtqi+ community. But I also love sports and want them to be fair. Imagine that Usain Bolt identified as a woman (without any physical or hormonal changes) do you really think that he should be able to compete with other women? Obviously not. It would be completely unfair. He would win all the 100m races he participated in by a full second. I know it's really difficult for transgender people to go through this, but, if there's no physical or hormonal changes, they can't compete with people of their gender identity.
That’s why the IOC has rules but because of those rules, they still allow trans people to compete.
trans wrestler: *wins state championships*
news articles: *heavy breathing* THIS BOY HAS A
V A G I N A
This is a very interesting debate that I've been contemplating for a while, and seeing this video was an interesting perspective change to the views of most of the people around me, and I appreciated seeing the difference in ideas. However, I disagree with some of your conclusions. I don't think it's fair to label all the people who disagree with biological males who have transitioned into women being allowed in women's sports as transphobic, because oftentimes they're not; transwomen with biologically male bodies do have a steep advantage over biological women, and it really is unfair to the biological women.
Take this theoretical scenario, for example. Let's say in a world where cars are sentient beings, a Lamborghini was built with a really powerful engine, but was uncomfortable with it, and instead believed itself to be more like a Ford Mustang. But it was stuck with the body and engine of a Lamborghini, and the modification process to transform it into a Ford Mustang would take many years. It began its process by reshaping its body to more resemble a Mustang, and took chemicals to modify its engine to operate more like a Mustang as well. A few months into this process, it decided to race in a Mustang racing competition and completely obliterated all of its opponents' top speeds and took the competition by storm, because its engine was still producing a way higher horsepower and RPM output than any of its opponents, allowing it to dominate its other Mustang opponents. Would that be a fair race? It wouldn't, because physically, this Mustang with a mostly-still Lamborghini engine will always be more powerful than a normal Mustang with an original Mustang engine.
This is very similar to the transwomen competing in women's sports debate, because much like the Lamborghini, their bodies are simply more powerful than that of a cis woman, and they always will be, which is why it's unfair to the cis women to allow them to participate in that race. As unfortunate as it may be for the trans athletes, and as transphobic as it may seem, the simple fact of the matter is it would be an injustice.
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Separated gender in sports needs to end. My school only allows boys to play baseball and girls to play softball because "girls aren't as strong" . As a trans masc Teen, I also struggle in science learning how you can't change your chromosomes. My school considers talking about the LGBTQ+ community is "inappropriate" . Kids were talking about how we need to form some sort of pride club in our school. We had a substitute that day and she started telling us not to say gay because it's illegal in Florida. I felt like saying something to an adult... But I'm in fucking Pennsylvania, they're all homophobic.
"four of those medals should've been MINE." oh. mah gah. shudafuqup
In my opinion it depends. People should get like some type of variation that they are truly trans and be put on hormones for over a year. My problem is some athletes faking being trans and just dominating women. Like now a days a cis guy can easily ly saying he's trans and get into woman's sports to get 1st place. But Im not saying that trans people can't compete in woman's sports. Im just saying there should be a variation plus some extra mesures.
I think that some people forget that we’re mostly talking about children. Most kids are playing sports just for fun and because they like them, not to win or have some “advantage”. It doesn’t do any harm to just let kids play the sports they want to without having to worry, cis and trans alike
transphobes: "trans women shouldn't play in women's sports, they have too much of an advantage"
me: (struggling to pick up a 2 pound weight) "yep, i definitely have an advantage /s"
I STRUGGLE AND I HAVENT EVEN STARTED A MEDICAL TRANSITION 😭. (I also had the lowest standing broad jump result in my entire school section 😬)
@@plantmomindistress3420 i also struggled before medically transitioning, was the weakest person in my entire school (actually became a bit stronger after getting estrogen, even though it should've made me weaker lol)
This is an amazing video and it erased every single one of the very few doubts I’ve had about trans people being happy doing what they love. Thanks
for example, swimming. Males (cismales) are on average more faster than cisfemales, so when a transgender female competes in A competition against cisfemales and wins ofc the reason is because they’re trans. People could consider it an unfair advantage.
Since 2021, media has widely covered University of Pennsylvania student Lia Thomas, who swam for the men's team in 2018-2019, and for the women's team in 2021.[39][40][41] The Washington Post wrote that Thomas was "shattering records".[42] In December 2021, USA Swimming official Cynthia Millen resigned in protest, because of her belief that Thomas has an unfair advantage over her competitors.[43] In February 2022, CNN called Thomas "the face of the debate on transgender women in sports".[44] In March 2022, she became the first openly transgender athlete to win an NCAA Division I national championship in any sport after winning the women's 500-yard freestyle event.[45][46][47] Thomas lost muscle mass and strength through testosterone suppression and hormone replacement therapy. Her time for the 500 freestyle is over 15 seconds slower than her personal bests before medically transitioning.[48][49] Thomas’s winning time of 4:33.24 was 9.18 seconds short of Katie Ledecky’s NCAA record of 4:24.06.[50] In other races, Thomas has been beaten by multiple cisgender women as well as by Iszac Henig, a transgender man not on hormones.[51]
Thank you :) and also at the end you mentioned that Thomas was beaten by cisfemales. Where can I find that info?
@@namlex4483 The wiki page for trans athletes in sports.
I was always on the fence, more towards sex-based separation as opposed to gender-based. I didn't know about the IOC ruling until now, and that definitely effects my opinion more towards gender.
Either way I think we should just get rid of the gender concept all-together. Like, just be yourself without dumb labels. Kinda useless IMO.
I've always seen and known that women/men come in all shapes, sizes, strengths and speeds regardless of trans or cis. It's that clear to me. You want to win, you gotta put in the work. Also, who could ever believe that somebody would change everything about themselves and put their lives at risk just to win a competition?
to be honest, I wish that there was a sports that wasnt gendered, instead where all ages, gender identities, and basically just anyone could go ahead and compete together. I just think it would be better, for me at least, I am non-binary, so I dont know exactly what they would say about me, mostly with other people, they just debate on if im male or female, and I dont tell them, I tell them neither, but then they always ask about my birth gender, so I take the liberty to refuse to tell them.
I don't know if this makes any sense, but I believe that there should be a type of sports (like a group thats just anyone, not a whole new sport) where anyone with any gender orientation can play, the rules might be a bit difficult but it would push people to get better if one person was stronger because at birth they were assigned male but now they identify as a woman, the rules shouldnt change much, right? Just don't aim for certain places on the body because people can get injured and such. Players being attracted to other players on the team might be an issue, but we all got to admit, a basketball player for a popular team could easily be inlove with another person on the team, so it's really not hard to just not seperate sports by gender orientation.
A bit off topic, but my friend started a volleyball club at school, and they identify as demiboy but were assigned female at birth, so now they have to play on a female volleyball team which I can't even question how dysphoric it is for them.
Why don't you say he for your friend? Is it interchangeably he/they?
@@meowzerse.a.7611 It is, I'm just more used to using they/them pronouns for them
As a transgender woman who spent 30+ years as the wrong gender and trained to be a personal trainer, I can tell you after years of building muscle and then going on HRT that you lose MASSIVE amounts of muscle mass in very little time. I have only been on for a few months and the change is very noticeable both visibly and more importantly performance. There is no evidence that just being AMAB alters your biology to the extent that the muscles you have are always going to be stronger than AFAB people. It is all about what you feed them! Food, water, rest and yes hormones!!! Changing this balance has a huge body wide response that is undeniable. I know many Cis women that can out bench and squat me now that I used to demolish little more than a year ago. The argument is such BS. Thanks Powered By Rainbows for covering this topic.
No one listens to me even though I have studied this extensively and it very clearly affects my day to day life. You are doing good work to clear up these lies and propaganda that keeps young trans men and women from competing.
This explains my youth.
I was AMAB, but was always a weakling. I could only go so far playing sports with boys. I was always a last placer..
I used the boys room as was regulation in the 1980s, but always found a way to slick out of the shower after phys ed class. I felt like a girl in the midst of these boys, and was frightened by the thought of them seeing me unclothed.
I don't know what happened, but I was NEVER one of the boys. In fact, I had more friends that were girls. They needed a "boy" so I played that part for them in fantasy games.
I was 4 in 1972. NOW I understand why a girly identity was taking hold. Or even why "I I Am Woman" by Helen Reddy, which was released that same year, spoke to my soul so strong. I was a girl and had no idea that was the case!
How well a trans person does in sports isn't about gender, it's about ability. If a small child, a teenager, a grown adult, and an old man ran a race that wouldn't be fair. Ability is also why for wrestling matches people are paired up with someone with a similar weight to them. People who are trying to ban trans kids form their gendered teams aren't looking at why trans people might be doing so well and just say it's their gender they were assigned at birth that's giving them an advantage(they are also not looking at title 9 for why they can't ban them). If people still can't handle trans people on gendered teams than just get rid of the gendered teams.
I mean why do people make such a big deal out of this? A couple trans people won some NCAA titles in America, woopty doo. Those runners won just as many titles as that woman complaining on PragerU, and had similar times to boot. 16 years of Olympic involvement, only 15 trans people ever qualified, none have ever taken home a record or medal.
At a communtiy level, if youre playing to be the best cis or not, your a w****er and need to pull ya head in. Its about teamwork, socialisation and fun at that level. Why shouldnt trans women be able to play? I mean were likely talking about up to half a dozen people in the state tops that play at this level, and maybe one to two that may compete professionally....but yeah those one or two people following the guidelines set by the Olympic committee and NCAA (which know a shit tonne more about physiologically than these transphobes) are wrong and the trans are taking all the titles/medals. Get real, it isnt happening all this is, is a distraction to get easy votes from idiots without actually having to do or promise anything.
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im joining a football team for gir;s and im hoping to get choosen in the athletics (im trans but havn't got the surgery yet cause im to young to and i might change it later in my life)
The surgery isn't that important. If you have had puberty blockers then you probably will not see much difference between you and the girls. Boobs are a bit of a disadvantage in most sports, but the fat in the legs female hormones give you, will make it easier to float (I think this helps if you like synchronized swimming, or maybe endurance swimming).
Hope you get picked. Good luck!
I wonder what nonbinary or genderfluid people like myself would do, but I haven't participated in gendered sports.
One of the big hurdles this conversation is going to have to address before winning general support is the phenomenon is how, at every single track and field running event, your average observer sees the boys catagory scoring significantly faster times than their female counterparts. And if you see a girl keeping up with the boys, you know she's going to state. This leads to a widespread shared experience where people witness the reason why women's categories exist. Without woman's sports, those girls would have no place on that field.
Now, is this reasoning fair, scientific, or accurate? Hardly. But it is a lived experience shared by anyone who competed or watched high school track and field. And
You're wrong. The first mistake is taking sports as a whole. The advantages, disadvantages, unknowns and variables carry different weight and consequences in different sports at different levels. Sports also isn't plainly gender-based both ways. It's a one way street. On the few occasions that a woman is so great that she looks like she can compete with men, it is immediately discussed whether she should be drafted or allowed to play with the men. It's just that the physical performance differences between men and women are so stark that this rarely comes up. It's interesting that you make fun of cis men for liking sports, because it's from their experience and love of sports that this concern is born, not transphobia. Of course, there are some transphobes in the mix, but chiefly it's about fairness, which is discussed to exhaustion at every level for every situation. That said, cis women came at men so hard for this that many cis men are willing to sit back and watch the destruction of female sports.
And yet the wikipedia page on the matter indicates that there's a lot of underperforming trans athletes... including weight lifting.
In 2021, the IOC approved Laurel Hubbard, a trans woman, to compete in the 2020 Summer Olympics in weightlifting. Hubbard became the first out trans woman to compete at the Olympics; she did not complete her lifts and won no medals.[14] Katelyn Burns, an MSNBC Opinion Columnist, suggested Hubbard's performance demonstrates that transgender athletes do not always win.[15] Hubbard competed with the support of her fellow Olympian competitors. Australian weightlifter Charisma Amoe-Tarrant said "I have so much respect for her and wish her and the other lifters the best and hope we can all come together and enjoy the Olympics, because this Olympics right now is quite different compared to others. I’ve competed with her previously and always had good chats with her, I just wish her well."[16][17]
@@VelaiciaCreator Under performing athletes prove nothing, because you can easily select from men who perform beneath the athletic level of the females in their given weight class. If you've played serious sports with men, you understand this wide breadth of athletic performance. It's the males who perform at the upper ends that threaten female sports, if they were to transition. Again, here we have to be cognizant of the different kinds of sports and corresponding athletic gifts that give advantages here.
The gap between men and women is not universal across all sports, and that gap doesn't provide the same dangers or consequences in degree or kind. These arguments are based on the strawman that all men are superior to all females in sport. There are only two outcomes: for whatever reason, top performing transwomen do not participate in female sports or top performing transwomen replace ciswomen in sports. I'm all for trans rights, full stop. Part of our evolving in this area is to be humble to the fact that when an area has to do with pure biology, we are still figuring things out. Simplifying that down to trasnphobia doesn't help your case.
@@PatronHall You could just like, look at the page on trans athletes in sports. You will find that trans athletes seem to be underperformers. Even Lia Thomas, who was very good pre-HRT dropped significantly.
@@VelaiciaCreator The sample size of collective trans athletes across all variations of performance and transition scenarios does not suffice for reliable data. Athletic performance is one of the most well sourced areas of human ability, and there are still things we are figuring out. We don't even fully know the nature of why between two men of extremely similar athletic ability, one will have a faster jump, or a more powerful knockout punch. "Once they go on therapy, everything is fair," is not a valid platform from which to make an argument. Before you can accurately discuss how the male/female advantage is neutralized, you first have to be able to thoroughly detail where and how it exists across all athletic feats. It may very well be that in gymnastics, things get evened out to allow participation, but in say boxing, they do not. But you guys are trying to oversimplify an extremely complex discussion by putting the social desire before the biological and physiological(and possibly even neurological) considerations.
@@PatronHall Er, no. We're the second-most informed demographic on these matters. This shit is required reading. DO NOT conflate individual advantage with being trans. That is a false argument and a rabbit hole that would get MANY athletes removed from their sport. You can just admit that you're TRYING to find a reason to exclude.
Thank you for this
Even holding the position that trans women are women, and trans men are men, there is a lot more room for nuance in this debate than you're applying. You've dismissed all unknowns as, "obviously going to prove your point," instead of acknowledging that it could go the other way in some cases. And you made a pretty dumb point about the doping. Just because it happens more commonly than we'd expect or like, doesn't mean it is, or should be allowed, nor does it mean we shouldn't strive for fairness, even if we never make it there.
So for some nuance, it's worth mentioning that puberty blockers are expensive, and unfortunately not all transgender people have access to them. For trans women that have not had access to hormone therapy until after their puberty years, there are definitely physical differences between them and cis women that could be an advantage in certain sports, mainly centering around the bone structure, oxygen uptake, and the ease of putting on muscle. One of the biggest problems is we don't really have good research on trans athletes in particular at each stage of their transition journey, and certainly not in every sport. Admittedly it is quite difficult with such a small community to reach proper sample sizes. When it comes to team sports, it's probably not a big deal, but when it comes to solo or contact sports it could make enough of a difference for legitimate concerns about fairness. The research on that just isn't in yet.
And yes, the olympic committee rules allows trans women to compete against cis women, but they have rules about testosterone levels in certain events, where people competing in women's sports must have under a certain level of testosterone for a period of at least twelve months prior to the event because it has been proven that a reduction in testosterone causes a decrease in muscle mass and oxygen uptake during that time period. (Which also concerns the intersex community.) Obviously that kind of medical scrutiny is excessive for high-school level competitions, but the existence of those rules demonstrates that the olympic committee does not share your view that trans women are naturally physically similar enough to cis women to compete fairly in all sports. However, trans men can compete against cis men at the olympic level with no additional scrutiny.
As a proposed solution, you're obviously right in that allowing trans people to participate in sports under their identified gender, especially in youth sports, is likely the best for the health of the trans community. Another possible solution is to have a form of "open" category where gender doesn't matter on who is allowed to compete. Such a category would also allow the top tiers of women to try competing against men, and could also allow for mixed teams in various sports. The single biggest point of legitimate concern in my opinion is when it comes to setting records at the highest levels. If it is proven that trans and/or intersex women do have even a slight advantage over cis women, and they set a record time or distance or whatever in an event, that could put a real glass ceiling over cis women. (Which could possibly already be in place based on intersex women competing in women's events in the past.)
I used to do soccer and track, but now I'm worried about doing so because of these transphobic laws. And there's no real team for me to be on. Thanks for the informational video, this is helpful.
If you started your process/trajectory before puberty started, none of this should be an issue. If you are a bit later to the party, the womens sport division does check for testosterone because they don't like women to take steroids to enhance performance. If the level of testosterone has been low enough for at least a year, most competitions will let you join.
@@MissMoontree It is an issue because I live in transphobic states. I don't really want to give out much information about myself here
Thank you for covering this topic! I love how you tackle the effects of transitioning in a scientific way thats easy to understand. Though sadly, I’m still unsure how I feel about this particular topic. I want transpeople to play in a division that they identify as but I also want an even playing field for other athletes. I do believe that we need to further discuss this topic in order for more minds to change leading to continued studies and research so the public may understand.
“Trans people in women's sports is unfair!”
Me: “Sounds like a skill issue”
is this trans women in women's sports or trans men in women's sports?
I have a question.
So there is a college athlete named Lia Thomas who is transgender and is break records in the swimming field. Now my mom had a talk with one of her friends, surprise in Texas, who wanted to know her opinion. She said that she had no problem with the swimmer competing in their gender identity field. However, Lia had participated in her gender-assigned-at-birth swim competitions which meant she had lots of experience. My mom didn’t have a problem with anything except for the fact that Lia got different exercises and experience by participating in her GAAD(I didn’t want to write it out again) field which means she got to build up muscle differently then her other current opponents. My mom said that the issue wasn’t that Lia was transgender but because male and female sports don’t get the same amount of support and help. Information I have found to see how Lia practices describe it as long and grueling, and mentioned about 3-miles swimming.
My question is:
Does my mom have a point? Is it also the different levels of sources available for both sides? Men predominantly have more resources than women for the field of their choosing, so is that also a factor in some cases?
Edit:some spelling mistakes I saw, and I wanted to add that I’m asking because, with this video out, I want to know if my mom is not being some form of transphobic or something similar.
I don’t think your mom is being transphobic here. I think it’s an honest discussion or question to have. Certainly male teams sometimes have more resources but not all males train as hard as others so equipment has very little effect on how an individual performs. It comes down to their drive and desire to be better athletes. You could have very poor equipment but practice 8 hours a day 7 days a week and be a better athlete than the kid who just practices for 10 minutes but has a multi-million dollar field. So in that case you mentioned, sure she trained on male teams but she had to have the drive and desire to work harder than anyone else and train longer hours. It’s a good question so thank you for bringing it up.
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there's plenty of people who are by luck of the draw just stronger, faster, and all around better at sports than their peers, regardless of gender. Same applies with people who are born weaker, or slower. It shouldn't be a gendered thing, what we really need if you want the most skilled to win, and not the luckiest one (genetically speaking), is some sort of categorization based on physical advantages, not on gender. I know, most sports that use such a system are still full of "cheaters" who change their weight to win in lower classes(like in boxing) or whatever... i'm not saying it is a perfect solution, but it is indeed better than just dividing men and women. Also, by their logic trans men should be allowed to compete in female championships... i don't see how that would work
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