Shelly Martinez on Jacqueline Moore SHOOTING on Her During a Match in TNA
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Shelly Martinez on Jacqueline Moore SHOOTING on Her During a Match in TNA
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Jackie and Jazz them sistas was no joke
My 2 favorites
Booker T said Jacqueline was the legit toughest women he ever met in the business
That's the truth ruth. The beautiful Miss Jacqueline is a real Womens Wrestler.
booker t says a lot of stupid things
@@YukoMiyamoto-jj1uq Strange take on it. Why not state why you believe differently, rather than crying like a scorned bitch?
Jackie was tougher than a two dollar steak. You did not want to get on her bad side. How the WWE kept her from ripping Sable's arm off and beating her to death with it is beyond me. She was very pleasant when I met her but it is widely known in Southern wrestling circles that Jackie was not to be trifled with.
Ivory had once said that during a match Jackie is purposely stiff in the ring. I’ve also heard of a story in one of the smaller promotions of a supposed ring rat who tried to get into wrestling by sleeping her way through and Jackie was put in a match to beat the living snot out of her.
Besides Luna, Jackie was also a tough B. I’d hate to be that person to cross her lol
they would have fired her. then jacqueline would have missed out on the biggest feud of career
@@babymaharaja7638 No they wouldn't have, and no she wouldn't
@@pilot8220 they definitely would have. Sable was bigger star than the entire rest of the women division combined. they told Luna before if Sable ever gets hurt in their matches shes fired. Sable was the main attraction in the division not Jacqueline, and only reason the womens title was brought back was because of Sable
@@babymaharaja7638 They definitely wouldn't, Jaquellin was the bigger star than the entire women's division and the reason why they brought the title back for, they told her if she ever hurt Jaquellin they'll fire her
Jacqueline was easily among the top women workers of her generation and she had to work with women that were far inferior to her as wrestlers, but got pushed because of looks. I can see how a miscommunication in the ring could be taken as a slight to her. This is not Ivelisse no-selling offense, Nia Jax knocking girls out and breaking their nose or Tessa Blanchard being a toxic entity everywhere she sets foot.
@@leelohaskin7941 I have no clue what you tried to say 😅
@@NickPR87 what I was actually saying, not so much as to disagree with that part her being there or pushed to her looks but that I was merely finding it as ironic
But I re- read your statement ,that wasn't what you were saying so apologies bud. I need a damn nap nevermind smh..
Except that she has a reputation for being stiff so
Shelly comes off very much like an idiot.
I like how the knock out will hunt Nia for the end of her life because there really isn't anything else as significant
Jacqueline should have been a lot bigger star than she was
She had no damn mic skills that's y u need to be good at both
She got inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame in 2016. I agree with you but I would say she had a good career.
That would require a few things. Like Stephanie McMahon doing more as a wrestler after winning the belt. As is Jacqueline dropped it to a second rate wrestler who never really amounted to anything in the ring. That could have been rehabilitated, she or Ivory could have been big baby faces during Lita's numerous injuries, but that would require either one of them becoming the heel to take the belt from Trish Status or taking the belt from the heel that took it from Trish Stratus, which no one was allowed to do until Stratus turned heel, which was just so Stratus could beat that face and fight Lita, who got injured again. If the Stratus turn didn't lead to a "new direction" of less wrestling, fewer wrestlers, more models, more jiggling because the second diva search got good ratings WWE mistakenly thought they could duplicate with a third and fourth. Jacqueline could have gone back to Japan/Puerto Rico/Mexico but she rolled the dice with TNA, who didn't pay as well as expected, charged other promoters fees for booking "their" talent and despite that cage match with Gail Kim, Jackie's feud was overshadowed by the much better booked program with Amazing/Awesome Kong. Fighting over a belt is better than "Well, we both managed James Storm once, lets fight".
Sometimes the best talent doesn't have the best foresight, or luck. Maybe she could have been more political, got chummy with trainees instead of beating the hell out of them. Used a new prospect's favor to worm her way into another TV run, but that wasn't her personality. She hit things and yelled at people. It didn't translate into a WWE baby face. As a heel Jazz was younger. Was 1995-2004 WWE going to have two prominent twofers of the same "type" in the same role? 86-94 WWF maybe. 2008+ WWE definitely, but it still would not be until 2009-10 that WWE really started caring about the quality of women's wrestlers on TV again, and 2015 until they started caring about quality matches. Sure, on merit as a wrestler, you'd think Madusa-Jacqueline-Ivory-Luna would be on top, giving way to Torrie-Molly-Jazz-Lita to Trish-Gail-Victoria etc. but what exactly about the landscape of wrestling between 1988 and 2008 said she'd be a big star?
She wasn't 2 Legit 2 Quit
@@awesomebruce6555 I don't think Jacqueline worked well in the scripted WWE environment,where she seemed to struggle with her lines. While her promos weren't the best in TNA and in USWA, they at least felt real and passionate.
Jackie was never used correctly or pushed enough. Always fancied her too.
Jacqueline could wrestle and fight hell she's a former crusierweight champion and tv champion if i not mistaken but anyway she's the truth.
People need to realize these people that are so great because their champions are only champions because the script said so Arnold Schwarzenegger isn’t a real terminator
I remember that match. Jacqueline won with a double-arm submission and wouldn't release the hold after the bell, it definitely looked too real to be part of the match. she has fought with Luna before in a match too in WWE and the ref ended the match early because they were both hitting each other and going wild.
Ok... And?
@@50centricher9 I don't have the energy to figure out what's triggered you
@@animal1nstinct394 it's more so the *intent behind* what was said
@@50centricher9 ....that's nice. have a good day
@@animal1nstinct394 ... I will. Ditto
Now, what did we learn today class?
You don't mess with Miss Texas!
Today becomes History
History becomes Legend
Legend becomes Myth
Whoop Whoop!!!
Jacqueline is so underrated in the bigger picture of woman’s wrestling her work in USWA as Miss Texas was crazy the matches she had with all men (so ahead of the time and real) Both Jacqueline & Luna are true trail blazers in North America at a time woman’s wrestling wasn’t in vogue
And just like that my appreciation for Jacqueline continues to grow.
Don't piss Jacqueline off she could kick a lot of the guys asses . I remember when she was Miss Texas back in the day. 🤣
The way she beat up Harvey Whippleman aka Down Town Bruno was pretty funny.
@@SB-jn8cw I forgot about that. I used to see Bruno in Memphis years ago and he probably didn't weigh a hundred twenty pounds. 🤣
When someone says "my truth" all I hear is "I'm lying."
Exactly.
💯
Bullshit. Everyone has their own perspective.
@@msoileau83 that still doesnt make it *true* tho which is the point... I wont apply that to what she said, but in general when people say that, what the main comment says is more times than not the case
@@msoileau83 That's not what someone is saying when they say 'my truth', and I think you know that already. But if you don't, I won't presume.
When someone says 'my truth', they mean they know what the actual genuine answer is but they reject it because they don't like it and replace it with something less authentic and more disingenuous. When they then say 'it's my truth' what they're trying to say is, 'I don't like things but if I call it a truth, you have no rights to challenge me.' It's a very immature and egocentric thing to say and everybody - *everybody* - I've ever heard use it in real life turns out to be toxic. Namely, people employ that sort of language to inform us that their opinion is all that matters and everybody else's is invalid.
I mean, in the real world, if you don't learn from others and work on your blind spots, you'll never make anything of yourself.
For example, Shelley manages to keep getting herself fired or released. She can blame Batista or whoever but if we keep hearing 'it was his fault, their fault, my truth says it's anybody else's fault' what should we think? I don't know her in real life but how she presents her own story seems to be in total support of the point I've just made.
Shelly Martinez is just the victim in everything that happened. I remember Ms. Martinez botching real bad in TNA to the point where I don't remember seeing her after that. She was with LAX and was obviously apologizing to the wrestler. I imagine that was someone's fault as well.
Lol you should try dating her even for a few weeks. She will make you feel lower than you ever felt in your life
Yeah sure,and you know that how?!
@@HockeyMike Despite all that, I'd date her. Everyone may be different in real life. You never know. If not, oh well.
@@HockeyMiketap it, then run ..
With the vibe that Shelly gives off, its easy to see why Jackie shot on her.
Wtf you talked about? Toxic man
says a lot about u
Jackie is an all-time great. Not just her generation but of ALL TIME. People have said she was stiff and EVERYONE says she’s tough as hell, like legitimately. Not “athletic” but TRUE TOUGH. She got to do a lot but she could have done even more.
"This is my truth..."
Any time a woman speaks that sort of rhetoric I hear alarms in my head to stay away. CM Punk is lucky that she only offered incoherent rambling about him and not some Me2 accusation.
My truth = delusional, emotional take on something.
"This is my truth" = here's my 2 cents worth
Gosh, yes. "Here is my truth" means it isn't true. Because if it's true, it's true than more than one person.
@@stealthmode1303 Your take is irrelevant sport 😉
@@jimbo_1312 No, it means "I have chosen to redefine reality as the following..." If she meant it as you say, she'd just tell us her opinion, not choose a word which conveys factuality.
Put some respect on Ms. Jackie's name
Moolah, Sherri Martel & Jacqueline Moore are the 3 toughest women wrestlers in history.
I really miss Shelly on tv, she needs a good run in AEW or TNA.
Mae Young would like a word.
Get Jackie on the podcast. She recently did a great career shoot interview.
Well if she just did one than she doesn't need to do it again
I'm on this. Jacqueline is great and I'd like to hear more. But I'd also like to hear from Gail Kim, Ivory, Jazz and Alundra Blayze if we're talking women.
I think I saw the one you were talking about she was very entertaining just a good old country girl from Texas.
She’s boring to listen to though
@@chillincharlie9792 so people cant do multiple interviews per year? Cuz somebody needs to tell Dutch Mantell if that's the case
Should have ask her about her -5star match with rebel
Clearly she wasn't that big of a fan when it comes to wrestling because Jacqueline has always been known as a no nonsense woman. The Texas was real in her.
yea she is tuff as they come. Jaqueline don't give a damn if u like her or not. she made it abundantly clear on season 2 of tough enough.
A lot of the women wrestlers complained about Jacqueline Moore. Shelly wasn't the only one that complained.
@chronocross0623 you're coming for her in every video. Quit it. Only ivory and Luna were openly vocal. Molly didn't like it either, but she wasn't particularly trying to hurt anyone.
I just listened to a Bruce Prichard podcast recently where he talked about having to pull up Jackie multiple times in TNA for shooting on opponents because she was frustrated they couldn’t keep up with her
unprofessional AF of Jacqueline, and she always tries to appear so sweet and diplomatic in shoot interviews
I would have loved to see someone with combat experience shoot back at Jacqueline, she always came off as a female JBL or Bob Holly with how she stiffed others
@@animal1nstinct394 Not sure if she was unprofessional because lots of her peers seem to praise her, but it did feel like she was holding back on her shoot interviews, like it felt there was more she didn't want to tell other than simple answers.
Shelly comes across as a "it's everyone else's fault but mine" type of person.
Exactly hasnt seen her take responsibility for anything and i still dont know who she is
@@timothycurrier2523 She was a valet - she was Kevin Thorne's vampire valet "Ariel" in the WWE version of ECW. She was also the valet for LAX (The Homicide and Hernandez version) in TNA. She wrestled probably half a dozen times per year, at most, in TNA, aside from maybe one year. She wasn't very good, to be honest.
@@ArtificialIyDeranged yea she really wasn't all that good. even when she jobbed to big names yea i was not impressed.
Bruh she got choked out and you're blaming her cuz you don't like her I'm 💀
@@NarutoManiac300 Exactly lmao she got hurt by her opponent and people are defending Jacqueline.
Shelly comes off as someone that doesn’t overrate or come off as a mark for herself. She seems really humble. I really don’t understand the unadulterated vitriol that all these male commenters have. Y’all have literally ZERO reason to hate this woman and yet, y’all do. Why?! Projecting much?? It’s goddamn pathetic and y’all need to seriously grow up.
mostly coming from beta male teens who weren't even old enough to watch wrestling back then and will never understand that era of wrestling. Shes an easy target for them to hate because she insulted their darling CM Punk and she's attractive; they can only relate to attainable or mediocre looking women like Bayley. it reminds me of all the hatred Debra got when she first spoke up about Steve Austin but nothing Shelly said was anywhere near that level of controversy
@@animal1nstinct394 You hit the nail on the head with this one, love lmao. This comment section is toxic and a joke.
I remember that match. Jacqueline was tearing her up and it looked real af. I thought she was going to say Jackie stiffed her with those kicks.
The WWE Hall Of Famer & Multiple Times Womens Champion Miss Jacqueline is a beautiful lady and excellent Technical & Overall Wrestler and can still out Wrestle many women in this business.
I remember this match and it was impromptu. Shelly was the rowdy face and Jackie was the heel. Jackie kicked her ass and it looked real.
No shade to Shelly, but she wasn't pushed as a wrestler because she wasn't a good wrestler even by "diva" standards. Homegirl wasn't going to have amazing match with anybody.
I wonder if it was because Jackie seemed to land awkward when she fell back with her on her shoulders.
Jackie don't play no games
So watched a number of videos and nothing his her fault lol always someone else to blame 😂
A real villain believes there a victim
Jackie was trained old school, and was the only woman in her training class, so she's used to wrestling snug. She had to dial it back when she went to WWE, but she was still stiffing some of the toughest girls there.
This whole interview has been her complaining and blaming other people instead of looking in the mirror
I can tell your brain doesn't work at all.
Jacqueline would get on top and have even the most seasoned of veterans tapping in no time
Tna back then was awesome and amazing
If Jacqueline was in wwe today, she would be in the title picture with flair and lynch. She was in the wrong era and it sucks. Her, lita, chyna, trish, all of them would be so successful in today’s wwe
Surly you had to bring up the match vs Rebel??? THAT'S why they didn't have her wrestle more lol
that was way after, like almost a decade later. the match with rebel wasnt while she was still signed to TNA, it was some one-night womens tournament special event thing
@@babymaharaja7638 So if it was a decade later surly she should have been better in the ring?? More experience etc Facts are they didn't let her wrestle for a reason.
@@keepyourhandsup6856 no, because she didnt continue wrestling and training that entire gap in time. she was a character/manager, never a full time wrestler
@@babymaharaja7638 bro we really debating what Shelly Martinez brought to the table in 2022?
1) At that time, TNA’s Knockouts Division was one of the best things going in ALL of wrestling. Way better than WWE. 2)Shelly was a solid valet, but not a very good wrestler. Can’t think of why Jackie would have done that. Didn’t see the match. Did Shelley even try to tap to let her know to ease up?
Follow up: I love Jackie, but Shelley was definitely tapping like crazy. When someone taps that hard you have to release and let go. Someone can really get hurt.
@@remmy1219 Yeah, Shelly looked like she was hurting there while Jackie was not letting go. Sometimes feels like Jackie got away with being "stiff" to others because no one other than Luna would stand up to her. Saw somewhere that Luna got the upperhand in several altercations with Jacqueline down in Memphis
No disrespect too Shelly but your matches were 🙄🙄🙄🤡🤡 shows I'll never forget that match with Rebel that was legit one the worst matches I've ever seen.
"MY VAG!!"
What Jacqueline is a vet everyone who ever work with her and to say that she is awesome and real
My truth ? Why not just the truth
Because Jacqueline probably has an interpretation of what happened and so does shelley. Neither is wrong. By saying "this is the truth", you are automatically saying "Jacqueline lied" and already you are starting a beef
@@philwill0123 truth is what happened end of there's no wiggle room the truth is factual
@@liamfeely false. everyone has their own side to a story. Shelly never claimed "Jacqeuline lied" about anything.
This seems like this was a bad communication ,but Jackie should've been the veteran and say "hey ,what's going on?) you need help here?" cause Jackie is a for-real pro,and Shelly (and i adore her) still didn't know wristlock from a wristwatch.and if the match was going south Jackie should've taken the reigns of the match.instead of pulling some "Perry Saturn" shit (look up Perry Saturn/Mike Bell on UA-cam.)
Sounds like things didn't change much from Ivory's complains about Jacqueline when she was wrestling again in 99. She wasn't happy with being stiffed by Jacqueline and not being communicative with no feedback or coaching for 9 months. I always got bob holly, bitter veteran vibes from Jacqueline...
“My truth” means “I’m lying.”
You never wanted to be the woman's champion? Well why where u even there?
To work...earn money.
Scott Hall said Championships are just extra luggage
were you watching wrestling back then? WWE wanted women who weren't wrestlers and had no wrestling background. that's what the diva search was for. Half of the women on the roster then werent wrestlers and that was by design.
Jus like the Jackie/disco situation lol
Damn, Jackie! she was always miss used and underutilized but I've heard several stories about how she was stiff as a Catholic priest in a Boy Scout meeting.
I wonder if Shelly ever had an encounter in dealing with Nicole Bass
Its sad that WWE isnt signing Shelly & Melina to wrestle rn
Jacqueline Moore is one Pretty Mean Sister/Sistah.
In my opinion, Jackie Moore is perfect and can't do no wrong. LOL! Shelly, I love you, but you are nowhere near Jackie's skill level.
😂😂😂... Jacqueline has gotten a couple complaints about how stiff she is 😂
Love the picture of the pirate from sponge bob
You are awesome, Ms. Martinez 💯
I loved, Trish Stratus at the time cause I was 11 LOL
but Jackie was a beast.
Would be great as a manager/valet. Can speak comfortably, attractive, could be baby face or heel, and could get physical with interference. Idk about wrestling though after the matches she’s had 😅
Watched this match back - and I actually don’t think that’s where Jackie got pissed. Second last spot she hits an electric chair and Jackie almost landed on her head. The scoop slam thing was fine because she went for the apron right after. I do fully believe the shoot guillotine cause you hear her say “Jackie!” really loud a few times before she lets go, and she had blood at the corner of her mouth.
It's weird though during a gauntlet match, ODB hit a similar spot on Jacqueline, but at the same time, I just dont see Jackie willing to take liberties at ODB
RIP SHERRI MARTEL
Not for nothing, I quite enjoyed Kevin Thorn & Ariel in WWECW. The former manager of "The New Breed" of ECW.
"i never cared about winning the women's championship or anything like that. I just wanted to play." There's your answer on why you sucked and never improved as a wrestler. Another that views wrestling as all play, acting, showie and fun cosplay shit. I am glad she is no longer in the business.
half of the women from her era weren't hired for wrestling ability. when did you even start watching wrestling?
Really enjoying her interview, fresh and clearly unrehearsed. Angelina Love was really talented, nice that she mentioned that.
@@corybowman9583 Not as easy as you apparently, at least I don't wander comments sections of videos I don't like just to say nasty things. Nothing lower than a person who does that for entertainment.
Shelly has never had a good wrestling match in her life.
Jacqueline was amazing of course. But I’m not surprised by this because even Luna Vachon had a problem with her. Too stiff in the ring but she was mad tough.
It does make me sad when you hear wrestlers say I wish I could of Wrestled more which is the whole point of being in a Wrestling company! 😮💨
It's like how ember moon had soo much potential in wwe but they decided to get rid of her and now well never see some great matches we could of had! It just leaves a sour taste in mouth when I watch wwe nowadays so to speak
Smh the shit about Batista was priceless like damn who knew all that went down
I am not being sarcastic when I say this! Nothing was her fault and everybody else was wrong! Shelly Martinez was a great worker!
2:49 I think I speak for most wrestling fans of that generation who would have loved to seen you do something to Angelina Love....videotaped....i mean, it's not too late!......ah, it's too late!
Dollar Tree Melina
Okay, if nobody is gonna say it I will. She SUCKED at wrestling!!!! If you see somebody who is not good at their job yet keeps it in spite of their ineptitude and you say to yourself........ "Who did she blow to get that spot?" THAT'S HER!!! Now if she did or didn't do that IDK. But she had no in ring talent whatsoever, just one of those underwear models Ace & Dunn hired for....... Reasons!!!!!!
I have no recollection of this woman
I'd love to see Shelly an Franzine have a match I think
They had one as Ariel and she was dominating Francine for most of it
@@dtraversodt I still want too see it do you know when it was
@@robbybee70 this was in ECW on TNA's last year back in early 2000s ...I hope I can find video
@@robbybee70 ua-cam.com/video/eXRiqWMmKrw/v-deo.html
@@dtraversodt tthanks I would love a link
Always wanted to see Jacqueline really dominate a guy it would have been excellent to see her work really stiff and snug a legit shoot just completely knock the hell out of him
I mean she can still wrestle now. She said she’s retired now because of Chyna & Balls death. I mean idk what that has to do with her retiring. Their deaths were do to personal shit, but I respect her decision
Is she avoiding the ‘my vadge’ match in TNA? Anyways, Jackie was very stiff With the girls for no reason. Go and watch a match on smackdown with Lita in 2000 Lita goes back on her
I like how the excuses for that is she is old school lol
@@0x6563 Right? No it’s just unprofessional and that’s why Jacqueline was basically enhancement talent for most of her career in WWE, just like Holly.
@@kieranwillis395She was barely above the Dana Brookes and the Jillian Halls of enhancement talent despite what her stans like to think... Always saw her as a Female Bob Holly or pre JBL Bradshaw.
@@0x6563 lmao true. I mean I just don’t know why someone is getting so much praise for hurting people like that. The girls should just come out and say they didn’t like working with her. I watched a lot of lita matches, there’s one on Smackdown she hits her back really hard in the back after she gets back in the ring. Jacqueline is making it dangerous
@@kieranwillis395 If both workers agree to be snug I'd say go for it and have fun, which it seems the case with the women today wanting to put a show. There is a lot of rosed color glasses when looking at Jacqueline's career making her seem better than she really was...
Ivory seemed less than complementary about her, being dropped on her head/neck, not offering feedback or being receptive to their matches, it was just the same matches after matches it seems... So many dismissed Ivory's comments as bitter, but when multiple women have said similar things (like Luna and others who praised her and enjoyed the stiffness), there's has to be truth to it...
I remember the matches with Lita you mentioned... just not safe.
I ❤️ Jackie Moore
Jackie is a lie
She's got but needs to take some blame for some shit
If I could wrestle anyone I wanted, no close 2nd to velvet….in a 2 outta 3 Broadway.
Shelly kinda favors Melina.
I watched the match it wasn’t great but it was still better then many of the girls matches of that era,, But, after the long choke out,, Jackie took her belt off and started beating her and the ref,, Jackie was probably just stiff trying to sell this shit that she’s a heel bad ass ,, and if you really can’t breathe you can’t talk,,
I think she would have been a awesome champion if TNA had given her the chance same with Belladonna
I've tried to give Shelly a chance, but even her own UA-cam channel and websites are full toxicity and entitlement all of her own doing.
IIIIII CAAAAAANT HEEEEAAAARRR YOUUUUUU!
Trying to stay relevant. Jackie was a real wrestler unlike this 5 min trash.
im sorry but every video that been put up about shelley from this interview is alot of blaming and victim type stuff against everyone else but herself. Yet most of the people she has complained about throughout the full interview have had longer or more respected runs... gives off bitter they didnt pick me vibes
Is this going to end soon James?
This girl so beautiful
She wishes she had more time to wrestle, well Shelly you had the worsed match in history with rebel aka Reba at a one night only tna thing.
Very beautiful 😘
DAMN
just rewatched the match and it was good. Jacqueline seem angry the entire time, like she came out there with a mood and was trying to be extra aggressive so I still think there was something going on. what I think set Jacqueline off is at the end of the match she DDT Salinas and Jacqueline did not like the way Salinas took that bump, but overall impressed with the bumbs Salinas took. I'm curious if Jacqueline whipping Salinas after was part of the show or Jacqueline just doing it anyway. but that's BS if the agents said the match was horrible, that was a good match and the person who should be getting yelled at was Jacqueline for being so unprofessional.
It probably wasn't the first time Jacqueline was unprofessional in the name of being "snug" or "stiff" or "used to work with men"...That match with Trish on Vengeance 2001, with jacqueline stiffing trish for no reason and there were reports from Bobbi Billiard of her and ivory abusing trainees down in OVW.
@@0x6563 Trish said she appreciated the stiffness. she also said it was because she was moving to slow and that is a known rule in pro wrestling. They do it all over Japan as well.
Jackie was bishoffs girl and went every were he did, she wasn't a great wrestler like people think just that every other western major companies had no good female wrestlers.
You mean Jeff jarrett's rat as New Jack mentioned lol. She was serviceable but really nothing special especially compared to the Japanese women wrestling around the same time. And I recall her wrestling stinkers of matches when Molly, Trish, Victoria, and Jazz were putting in good work.
I never knew that Eric and Jackie had a thing going on
@@benjack8477 They didn't.. this is a lie he did a shoot on her and didn't really know her.