Should You Buy a FRESHWATER Boat? - Ep 240 - Lady K Sailing
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
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This week we talk about buying a sailboat from the fresh water Great Lakes and sailing to the ocean! We talk about sailboat corrosion and anodes or zincs and which to use in which type of water. We look at some sailboats for sale in the great lakes and what to expect when your sailboat shopping for a fresh water boat.
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I’m glad to see your channel grow. Definitely appreciate your videos
You got haters now… you’ve really arrived, 😂😂😂!!!
Yeah, I just stumbled across that too. Sad.
Where? Let's get em!
Keep on teaching Tim. Meet your haters with a raised bar. Don't ever stop teaching sailing.
This is me feeding the algorithms' appetite. Thanks, good video as always. :D
You are so right. Fresh water boats only spend 40% of their time in water, in fresh water.
A 40 year fresh water boat is like a 15 year old Salt water boat.
Sunshine, UV .etc..
Cheers.
Mike
Toronto
Great points been a Lakes broker for 30 years. Rigging is almost never a problem 30 years in. Zincs well so many boats are delivered with zincs new and people don't realize that they are doing nothing here. Magnesium with a sail drive seems important here as drive is aluminum. Lots of one and two cylinder diesels were delivered back when with no heat exchanger regardless of location. Nice episode. Waiting for calling you out about osmosis vs saltwater. Just wait 😅
This was good, very good for us newbies! Thank you from Ludington.
Cooling system , very important to watch for . We looked at costs to convert fresh to closed loop, $$$. We just stuck with ocean sales rather fresh water .
Nice one thank you .
Had a light bulb moment. Subject of salt corrosion on standing rigging. There’s a product called Ballistol. It was invented in Germany and used to take the corrosive salts from the corrosive primers used in WW1&2. Would hitting the rigging connections etc with this regularly. It’s actually a great product that I use for gun lube and cleaner. It was used with a mix of 1 part Ballistol to 10 parts water and used with a spritzer. When the water evaporates there’s a film of oil on the metal needing protection. Just a thought.
Fair winds and following seas.
I found that I enjoy helping others get into sailing. I am still a novice myself but am very knowledgeable with mechanicals and fiberglass. I just helped a friend find his first boat, a Dufour24 and we launched it off a cradle on a trailer. It was an interesting experience launching a sailboat with a fin keel and 1.2 meters draft but we did it. Thanks again for all the help your videos have provided.
Tim I can't even write a postcard. I do hope somebody will step up and help out. I am out here on the west coast
bit different here. Wooden boat festival at Port Townsend Sept 8-10 . Have you sailed under the Golden gate bridge?
I know you are a go fast guy, which is good, I catch more fish above 6 kts than below. Except Halibut of course.
Cheers.
Thanks, great information.
You really are the best sailing and boat advice on YT! ❤
I love your channel, Tim, whatever that chucklehead has to say 😂.
I left a few comments on chuckleheads thread. He has bashed every channel I enjoy watching. Some people just scream at the passing traffic :)
‘chucklehead’ being chasing latitudes’ perhaps? if so, uncharitable…perhaps drunk judging by the slurring elocution
Yes, I am not sure about the drunk part but there is defiantly a lot of insecurity. I have watched his channel for a while and frankly it is hard to watch sometimes. I call him the Beneteau\Jeanneau salesman because that is the only boat he is always pitching for.@@remogirlato2296
@@CPTCleoTorrisOne of UA-cams (few) good additions is being able to look at comment history easily. Super easy to ban and report people.
@@remogirlato2296 He's a pathological liar with very little real world sailing experience. I wish more people would call him out on this.
Me and the lady just did our "First introduction to sailing 35'+" near Montreal. We will definitely get an hour online with you in a year when we start looking to actually buy something!
Now we just gotta find people who wouldn't mind bringing some newbies with them.
Thanks for the videos and the discord 🙌
makes sense I'm in the same boat so to say
Since you are near Montreal, you should check out Ohana. They offer 3h of sailing in small group and an instructor to practice maneuver and gain experience. I've been a few times in the last 2 years and really enjoyed it, best way to learn from experienced sailor!
I did that course about a month and a half ago through Ohana sailing school in Longueil, and I've been taking 3h lessons every couple of weeks since then. Doing my first sailcanada certification at the start of the season next year while shopping for my first boat :)
@@adagar That's actually where I went for the introduction ! Everyone has been suggesting to spend more time on the water by going with other people instead of paying for the formations over and over. We'd definitely need to do more formation still, it's also scary the amount of things we randomly discover that we need to learn
I think I was going ro the very right place without to know, even before have the idea to start sailing: Lake Garda, Verona, Italy. Thank uoy for the valuable informations.
Thanks to you
My wife and I now own a Catalina 27 and just started sailing in the Bay of Quinte . We are both 70 years old and love it
Don't forget most great lakes boats only stay in the water for 4 months max a year....Great video and thanks
4 months? 6-7 month for us.
What? You must put in in May and pull out before November. I never can make it before June 1 do to projects and I hate risking frozen knuckles in November. Mad respect :)
@@LadyKSailing
Bravo as always, great video very timely for me. I have concluded purchasing my fourth (...and last) sailboat. I sail in the Mediterranean and have seen several second-hand vessels in salt water and then one in fresh water since ever. Despite its 30 years it looked new in all its metal parts, but not only... I bought it and I will transport it to the sea either by lorry (fast and easy but expensive) or along the French canals (about 500 miles which require almost two months to also enjoy the magnificent landscape). I have not decided yet... LOL
Another great video
Amazing! The advice at the end was especially good, about getting the boat where you want it. I would love to see an entire video dedicated to this topic. I need to get my (new) boat to Guntersville Lake, AL, on the Tennessee River, lol.
I love this channel
Great show Wife and I just got a Catalina 27 . Enjoying in the Bay of Quinte area we are 70 years old
You can also go through the Welland Canal from Laker Erie to Lake Ontario, then to Oswego to the Oswego Canal, 23 miles down to the Erie Canal.
Dyneema rigging vs steel......
Lots and lots of really good great lake boats for sale but with that said..
A few Michigan or northern Minnesota/Wisconsin winters can destroy a boat if not properly stored
Corrosion of the rigging is real in the salt water environment, but how quickly it happens depends on temperature even more than it does on the salt environment. That is also a factor on the great lakes. I sail on the Maine coast and there are lots of boats here with 40 year old standing rigging. Corrosion rates are much slower here than down south where things are much hotter. Also, we haul out for the winter, take the mast down and put it in storage. That allows the rig to be cleaned and kept away from salt for half the year, which increases its life. The same applies to the electrical system. Most of my electrical system is 28 years old and is like new. Some parts are 50 years old and are also fine. Again cold weather with the boat hauled out a bit over half the year. Other corrosion is mainly in cheap 304 stainless. If your stainless is 316 or 316L you will have little to no corrosion.
As far as anodes go, I would go with zinc. Except for the prob shaft anode the anodes are easy to change. Even the shaft anode is easy to change down south by doing a bit of diving (free or scuba). I would suggest changing the zincs at least every 6 months if you go south, particularly if you stay in marinas much. That is not a big deal if in terms of time or cost (
Awesome info!
Go Junk Rig!
No standing rigging, I did and it’s awesome!
@@georgewashington7444
tested and proven over thousands of years
One thing also to remember is the “Y” valve for discharging on the grait lakes this valve is deactivated or mostly missing per regulation
Be careful of the freeze in areas with below freezing temperatures. Any water that gets into your boat has a high chance of freeing when the temperature drops, as you can imagine this can extensivey damage. Things to look for are boats are shrink wrapped or covered in some way. Also boats that are put in dry storage. Lots of boats in the great lakes set out in the open uncovered.
ahhh makes sense. Dry storage would be optimal
Your hair looks cool in this video.
Parley Revival just changed their rigging on the last episode (08/13) I had no idea how much was involved, or how expensive!!
replacing standing rigging CAN be expensive, but doesn't have to be. Unless you are making substantial changes, all you really have to do is take the existing rigging to a shop and have them duplicate it, you then attach it to the mast and then step it. my 41ft sailboat cost me under $4k to replace the stadning rigging, forestay/furling excepted.
Good points!
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Junk Rig-No standing rigging super simple to reef and repair. Modern Junk sails can go upwind just fine!
Freshwater Boats post mid-80s when fiberglass tech switched resin formulas are MORE susceptible to osmotic blistering. Something to check for.
Incidentally Fiberglass hulls built in the 60-70s are typically way thicker since the longevity and strength of Fiberglass at that time was not known. They overbuilt them and well cared for 70s model might be a stronger boat than a newer boat!
Always love the videos, thanks for sharing. May I ask a question? Does it cost to go through the locks? Does it cost extra (I'm assuming) for them to un-step and step the mast? Thank you!
Interesting episode. One point you missed was bottom paint.. Many lake boats have VC17 bottom paint. It’s no good in salt water and has to be completely removed to apply salt water bottom paint.
in the grand scheme of a purchase that is such a minor expense that's almost irrelevent to the purchase choice!
Btw beautiful cat 355 congratulations
Thank you for such a fresh perspective. I am wondering if the color change on your microphone is indictive to your mood. ?
One thing I heard about in the fresh vs. salt is with the brightwork. Fresh will deteriorate wood faster where the salt helps keep the crap that eats the wood at bay. Not sure how serious of a problem this is in the real world, though. On the locks; Welland southboud requires three people, though I suspect most starting from the Lake Ontario would take Oswego, so not really an issue anyway.
it's so cool that Oswego is part of the Barge Canal system.
Yeah that's generally true. Salt is a good preserver, so most wooden boat owners are very cautious about any kind of fresh water ingress. Brightwork isn't so much the issue since it's usually varnished or oiled, but you really don't want to be sailing old wooden hulled boats in fresh water unless you plan on pulling it out constantly to treat it.
There's also the unrelated fact that salt water is much more buoyant than fresh...
I would like to see you do a video someday about buying boats abroad. I am in USA and see boats in places like Guatemala, seems too good to be true, perhaps it is?
Not sure exactly what you’re looking for regarding the scripts, but chat GPT and others can do some amazing things regarding scripting.
Oh God... Please NO No No! It is like making a deal to sell Jewish pastries to the Nazi SS.
Not sure about the issue of engine cooling. A lot of salt-water marine diesels have always been directly cooled by raw water and don't have closed loop cooling. This might be an older thing, and modern engines may generally have closed loops, but there are plenty of boats out there with 30+ year old engines that have been salt-water cooled for their whole lives without issue. As long as it's an engine designed/marinised for salt-water properly there's no issue with raw water cooling in salt water.
What about water freezing in your freshwater rigging. Ice can move concrete.
I have never heard of this ever being an issue. We do have to put anti freeze in our bilges though.
Got any beneteau 343 up there?? Lol
I live in rural inland central Alabama with rivers near me that leads to the ocean, I want a sailboat I can take from the River to ocean, which is a goal of mine. I appreciate this video
Potter -19
thanks for another great episode Tim!
I definitely want to take the Erie Canal but it seemed so daunting taking the mast down and having to attached again at the end. I never knew this option existed. Is it expensive to do?
I think he mentioned they'll take the mast down for you ü
Taking the mast down at Oswego is not really a big deal, no different than your seasonal unstepping. when you get to the other end you have a choice of places from full service at "hop-o-nose" with the $$$ associated ( cost me $600) to $50 to DIY it at castletown yacht club. NO big deal really!
@@pierremitham2964
Thanks!
The part about the cooling is not 100% right, here in Italy for example most engines are directly cooled even tho they operate on the sea. You just have to run the engines I would say at least twice a month and wash the system with freshwater before storage. I own a directly cooled BUKH 48hp which has almost 35 years and has not presented any issue with the cooling system.
Can one take the boat through 1000 islands without dealing with US border/customs, strictly on canadian side? Say.. 6ft keel.
You can as long as you don't go to land or anchor.
@@CPTCleoTorris how do you go through locks without stepping on the ground?
@@saulthompson6613 You don't
CPTclittoris thank you for your valuable input. It’s all clear now.
Could be wrong about this but one other issue I've heard rumoured is that fg hulls are more susceptible to osmosis in fresh water than in salt. Anyone corroborate this? A good survey regardless, either way.
I have no idea, but I did have my salt water boat bottom painted and then shortly after I moved it into a lake for about 18 months, then back to a marina in brackish water for another year and I hauled it out to sell it and it was covered in tiny first layer blisters. It was a 1985 boat that was in the blister years and the person I bought it from had refaired the bottom, so I assume it had blisters then, but it didn’t develop any for seven years before it went into the lake. Sample size of one
I have heard this also especially on older boats.
Freshwater
More prone to blisters
Post mid 80s
Older boats 60-70s less chance
Why don’t boats use sealed connectors like in a car. Everything looks hand built hack job.
NO
I think that I would rather buy a sea berthed boat, because it would more likely have higher grades of stainless fittings, better wiring protection, and even more likely to have a fully stainless cooker.
Ugly color yellow 💛!!!
And wish I could just go...😢
Yep, you seem to have ruffled the feathers of another YT sailing channel that has half your subs and even less decorum
What’s the exact email address? I’m a professional script writer, and an avid sailor.
Ah, never mind. I see now it’s a website with a consult/contact page
I heard your request for a "scriptwriter". But can I point you to an AI? Is free. But what's worse, if you pay a human scriptwriter, he will also have his texts generated. And make you pay.
Have you seen any videos from "Chasing Latitudes" lately? He seriously believes you're ripping off his material. In his last video he totally went over the line. Someone should definitely expose this dude for all the lies he's been telling, and for fraudulently advertising his "consulting" business with fake credentials.
This channel is just pure gold if gold was pure awesomeness