I give you a list of famous (relatively famous in many cases) Argentines with a visible level of black ancestry. Only a few of them are considered black, while most part are very admixtured, therefore are just seen as regular local _morochos_ (while in the colonial era would be labelled as *mulatos* - black+white - or *zambos* - amerindian+black -, since their amerindian or white ancestry is very visible too). You can search their pictures on the web and see for yourself: • Fidel Nadal (musician - that's his stage name by the way -) • Clemente Rodríguez (former footballer) • Jorge _Locomotora_ Castro (former boxer) • Peter Castro (a regular guy that became famous on television) • Héctor Baley (former footballer) • Américo Rubén Gallego (former footballer & coach) • Jesús David Leiva (musician & politician) • Walter Severino (former footballer) • Diego Alonso Gómez (actor) • Néstor Clausen (coach & former footballer) • Matías Emilio Carabajal (former footballer) • Daniel _Hachita_ Ludueña (former footballer) • Marcos Martínez (actor)
Another thing: Argentines who have a *visible level* of black ancestry are a small minority that for the most part has a high level of rac1al admixture. Black Argentines without much admixture (in their physical appearance at least, as is your case) are a minority part within that minority that is already small, and they are usually elderly or children whose parents are recent immigrants. In fact, the non-mixed-looking blacks you see in Argentina are usually foreigners (whether immigrants, temporary residents or tourists), since Argentine ones are a small number (probably only a few tens of thousands scattered around the country). The majority of Argentines who have a visible level of black ancestry are those who in the colonial era were called *mulatos* (mixture of black and white) or *zambos* (mixture of amerindian and black), and only some of them are aware of having black ancestry, since many don't know it nor are they very interested (also, locally they aren't considered black nor there is much knowledge about their ancestry). Furthermore, in the case of those who are Argentines, it's not that they live "grouped" in particular neighborhoods or areas, since they are part of Argentine society in general, which doesn't have a rac1al division as marked as American society. Some mistakenly name neighborhoods where perhaps 200 years ago the black/mulato/zambo population did represent an important percentage of the total (such as San Telmo), but not today. In all that time, Buenos Aires has undergone countless changes, in addition to the population going from just over 10,000 inhabitants to approximately 3 million (in addition to 12 million people that live in its metropolitan area).
Hey, this is good info.. Very interesting, well with that said, it is very likely that I actually seen Afro Argentines and didn’t even realize it. It’s funny cause I was thinking that while out there. Very good information, Thank you for taking the time to write this
@@Armand_Will another thing: only a few refer to them as Afro Argentines, it's a fairly new term. In most cases are left-wing rac1al organizations that push the American narrative on this issue, and this is replicated throughout Latin America, which is why you can sometimes see universities or media referring to local blacks from each country as "Afro" Argentines/Brazilians/Colombians/etc., but most regular people don't (usually not even those who are black). Also, white people aren't usually called "Euro" anything. If you talk to random people on the street telling them you want to meet Afro Argentines, they won't understand what you're talking about and will probably think you mean African immigrants. In any case, you must say "Argentines of black r4ce" so that it is very clear and doesn't generate confusion. But most people will say they never saw one or that the blacks who live here are foreigners, and also many people don't know much about history (so they don't know that a significant minority of the colonial population was black). As I said, most Argentines with a visible level of black ancestry are very admixtured, therefore they are not considered black nor is there much knowledge about their ancestry. And those who are black enough to be considered black (like you for example) are only a few thousand scattered throughout the country, therefore many people have never seen a black Argentine, and the blacks they saw here are foreigners, and from there comes this idea that when you see someone black here, is not a local one. Furthermore, almost all people who are not white or black enough fall into the pseudo-racial category of _morocho_ , which includes all types of tanned and brown-skinned people who sometimes have different rac1al origins. Thus, an amerindian (native rac1al group from the Americas) can be labeled as morocho in the same way as a tanned white (like some Southern Europeans or most of those from the Middle East) or a mulato (a mix between black and white - like Barack Obama for example -). But that same word (morocho) is used for black hair (like in English you say brunette) or even as a "soft" form for black (since "black" can sometimes have a pejorative connotation).
I'm from Argentina and I have read about this topic. In summary, the main reason why there are few black people in Argentina is that this group has been gradually decreasing since the colonial era due to rac1al mixing with larger groups (amerindians, who were always in greater numbers; and whites, who became a larger number with mass immigration). You will hear many stories of exterm1nation, but they are not true, which doesn't take away from the fact that in the 19th century there was an important participation of black men in different wars (those of independence, the different internal conflicts of the country during its formation, the war against Paraguay...), or that epidemics of that time that occurred in several cities affected the black population (as well as the entire population in general). And that neither take away the fact that there has been a certain level of segregation and r4c1sm, but it's less than many foreigners believe, although the second one obviously still exist today at some point, although many Argentines who don't know much about the subject believe that not. Since you are American, I recommend that you read Erika Denise Edwards and George Reid Andrews, two historians from your country who have researched this and have written books about it, as well as you can find articles, talks and interviews where they talk about the history of the black population in Argentina. Erika Edwards is in fact a black woman and she lived for some years in Argentina, and has been researching this specific topic for more than 20 years. On UA-cam you can find videos of her explaining a little about this.
😂😂😂😂😂 Argentino afro !? Tem não fio... Nunca vi na minha vida inteira !!! Olha bem por onde andar, NÃO TEM. SÓ DESCENDENTES DOS EUROPEUS 😢 Essa a grande diferença entre Brasil e Argentina meu amigo
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I give you a list of famous (relatively famous in many cases) Argentines with a visible level of black ancestry. Only a few of them are considered black, while most part are very admixtured, therefore are just seen as regular local _morochos_ (while in the colonial era would be labelled as *mulatos* - black+white - or *zambos* - amerindian+black -, since their amerindian or white ancestry is very visible too).
You can search their pictures on the web and see for yourself:
• Fidel Nadal (musician - that's his stage name by the way -)
• Clemente Rodríguez (former footballer)
• Jorge _Locomotora_ Castro (former boxer)
• Peter Castro (a regular guy that became famous on television)
• Héctor Baley (former footballer)
• Américo Rubén Gallego (former footballer & coach)
• Jesús David Leiva (musician & politician)
• Walter Severino (former footballer)
• Diego Alonso Gómez (actor)
• Néstor Clausen (coach & former footballer)
• Matías Emilio Carabajal (former footballer)
• Daniel _Hachita_ Ludueña (former footballer)
• Marcos Martínez (actor)
Hey thank you for this, I will look them up
This is good info.
I will try to do more whenever I go back Lord willing
Another thing: Argentines who have a *visible level* of black ancestry are a small minority that for the most part has a high level of rac1al admixture. Black Argentines without much admixture (in their physical appearance at least, as is your case) are a minority part within that minority that is already small, and they are usually elderly or children whose parents are recent immigrants. In fact, the non-mixed-looking blacks you see in Argentina are usually foreigners (whether immigrants, temporary residents or tourists), since Argentine ones are a small number (probably only a few tens of thousands scattered around the country).
The majority of Argentines who have a visible level of black ancestry are those who in the colonial era were called *mulatos* (mixture of black and white) or *zambos* (mixture of amerindian and black), and only some of them are aware of having black ancestry, since many don't know it nor are they very interested (also, locally they aren't considered black nor there is much knowledge about their ancestry).
Furthermore, in the case of those who are Argentines, it's not that they live "grouped" in particular neighborhoods or areas, since they are part of Argentine society in general, which doesn't have a rac1al division as marked as American society.
Some mistakenly name neighborhoods where perhaps 200 years ago the black/mulato/zambo population did represent an important percentage of the total (such as San Telmo), but not today. In all that time, Buenos Aires has undergone countless changes, in addition to the population going from just over 10,000 inhabitants to approximately 3 million (in addition to 12 million people that live in its metropolitan area).
Hey, this is good info..
Very interesting, well with that said, it is very likely that I actually seen Afro Argentines and didn’t even realize it.
It’s funny cause I was thinking that while out there.
Very good information, Thank you for taking the time to write this
@@Armand_Will another thing: only a few refer to them as Afro Argentines, it's a fairly new term.
In most cases are left-wing rac1al organizations that push the American narrative on this issue, and this is replicated throughout Latin America, which is why you can sometimes see universities or media referring to local blacks from each country as "Afro" Argentines/Brazilians/Colombians/etc., but most regular people don't (usually not even those who are black). Also, white people aren't usually called "Euro" anything.
If you talk to random people on the street telling them you want to meet Afro Argentines, they won't understand what you're talking about and will probably think you mean African immigrants. In any case, you must say "Argentines of black r4ce" so that it is very clear and doesn't generate confusion. But most people will say they never saw one or that the blacks who live here are foreigners, and also many people don't know much about history (so they don't know that a significant minority of the colonial population was black).
As I said, most Argentines with a visible level of black ancestry are very admixtured, therefore they are not considered black nor is there much knowledge about their ancestry. And those who are black enough to be considered black (like you for example) are only a few thousand scattered throughout the country, therefore many people have never seen a black Argentine, and the blacks they saw here are foreigners, and from there comes this idea that when you see someone black here, is not a local one.
Furthermore, almost all people who are not white or black enough fall into the pseudo-racial category of _morocho_ , which includes all types of tanned and brown-skinned people who sometimes have different rac1al origins. Thus, an amerindian (native rac1al group from the Americas) can be labeled as morocho in the same way as a tanned white (like some Southern Europeans or most of those from the Middle East) or a mulato (a mix between black and white - like Barack Obama for example -).
But that same word (morocho) is used for black hair (like in English you say brunette) or even as a "soft" form for black (since "black" can sometimes have a pejorative connotation).
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I'm from Argentina and I have read about this topic.
In summary, the main reason why there are few black people in Argentina is that this group has been gradually decreasing since the colonial era due to rac1al mixing with larger groups (amerindians, who were always in greater numbers; and whites, who became a larger number with mass immigration).
You will hear many stories of exterm1nation, but they are not true, which doesn't take away from the fact that in the 19th century there was an important participation of black men in different wars (those of independence, the different internal conflicts of the country during its formation, the war against Paraguay...), or that epidemics of that time that occurred in several cities affected the black population (as well as the entire population in general).
And that neither take away the fact that there has been a certain level of segregation and r4c1sm, but it's less than many foreigners believe, although the second one obviously still exist today at some point, although many Argentines who don't know much about the subject believe that not.
Since you are American, I recommend that you read Erika Denise Edwards and George Reid Andrews, two historians from your country who have researched this and have written books about it, as well as you can find articles, talks and interviews where they talk about the history of the black population in Argentina. Erika Edwards is in fact a black woman and she lived for some years in Argentina, and has been researching this specific topic for more than 20 years. On UA-cam you can find videos of her explaining a little about this.
Ok nice man, good info
I will research Erika Edwards and George Reid.
There are a number of things I don’t know
Thanks for the information
Ok nice man, good info
I will research Erika Edwards and George Reid.
There are a number of things I don’t know
Thanks for the information
@@Armand_Will George Reid *Andrews*
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Argentino afro !?
Tem não fio... Nunca vi na minha vida inteira !!!
Olha bem por onde andar, NÃO TEM.
SÓ DESCENDENTES DOS EUROPEUS
😢
Essa a grande diferença entre Brasil e Argentina meu amigo
A burguesia Argentina exterminou ao longo dos séculos os negros ( as).
Isso aprendi
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Paulo, de Curitiba Domingo, 14 de Abril de 2024 02:30 h 🕝