Your last point about track time was the best. For the vast majority of us, seat time and coaching are going to make the biggest lap time improvements. After all the discussion about LSD torque vectoring and VSC intervention under trail braking you brought it back to maximizing track time and having fun. Great video!
💯 that’s what this channel is really all about… the entire track driving experience including the actual track driving, the community and becoming a better driver. I’ll spend 24-48 hours before packing, prepping, checking the car over, waking up early, paying track fees… I want to drive and get as much seat time as possible. Afterall, if we aren’t having fun or if we all drove the same car… it would take away from the experience and community. Thanks for watching
Man spit facts in the discussion portion. So much good information not just on the type r or the elantra but FWD in general. Would like to see more indepth explanations like this. I like the entry, mid corner and corner exit discussion.
The part where you talk about why the stock suspension in the rear is so stiff in R mode makes so much sense… this was really well done. More of the discussion part in other videos, this one was in depth. Had to pause a few times and think about what you were saying. You should do a podcast or something. Great video once again
I hated Savagegeese's initial impression on FL5's R+ mode for having "too much rebound". Idk if they understood what "too much rebound" means. A blanket statement that can mean either, "too much bouncing caused by having insufficient rebound force" or "jarring bouncing, when rebound force is too high where the damper packed down". But through Jason's report, I think the R+ mode has too much rear compression damping Low to High Speed.
I’m getting a few questions on Instagram so I’ll add this here. The high speed compression damping is too high- it is over damped. In other words, it’s not compressing enough on curbs, bumps, anything with high piston speed. The rebound is under damped, in other words, it rebounds too quickly. So on high speed, you get a suspension that is resistant to compressing and when it does, it wants to spring back too quickly. On the low speed side, I find this acceptable and is actually the correct performance set up for an FF car. In an FF car, in regards to the on power mechanics, you don’t want the rear to squat. If it squats too much on power, the front wheels will have trouble putting down the power as you’re taking weight off the front axel. I’d say it’s about right, and I understand what the Honda engineers are trying to do. Also, as mentioned in the video, that will help the rear end rotate on entry and help with mid corner and exit as the driver gets on power. With our previous Audi TCR and Current Audi TT Endurance car, we have the high speed compression set to soak up all the bumps, but the low speed damping is high to achieve the best of both worlds, namely… 1. Keep the wheels on the ground over bumps and curbs, ideally keeping the tire on the ground and settling in one stroke. 2. For the rear to not compress a lot on power, keeping the weight on the front driven wheels. Thank you all for watching.
I’m a civic type R guy, but I can understand what you’re saying. the overheating issue is hard to deal with, with the FF packaging. with cooling, i can only for 3-4 laps hard before I need to cool down the car. i’ve driven the elantra N as well… great car and your point about ‘people will like what they like’ is basically the comments section. i grew up with hondas and naturally have an affinity towards them. thanks for another great video.
Just came across your channel belatedly, impressive channel and content indeed. Looks like it's a channel made by track enthusiasts for fellow track enthusiasts. I'm from Australia we bought our FL5 in May 2023 when they first became avail from dealers. Luckily there was no dealer premium here and we paid the MSRP of AUD $73000. Was expecting the car to be like a bigger and more powerful version of a Golf Gti in manual rather than the high revving engines + close ratio gearings of Hondas of the past which we still have, and car turned out to be pretty much what we expected. Driving it to the limit at the track was a differently story, while it solved all my lack of straightline speeds of my other Hondas, it give me plenty of news ones namely the electronic interventions. I couldn't disable the Agility Handling Assist even after pedal dance and the stability control can cut it pretty abruptly upon trail braking deep-ish into corners but applying the outside rear brakes quite hard ( very disconcerting when not expecting it ). Long pressing VSA in the individual mode just merely reduce the stability controls & traction control by a little and I don't get to remember do the pedal dance every time I get on the track. Aside from optimising the car setup with suspension setup, tyres and brake pads upgrade to go faster, I would love to know more about the intricacies' of the how the VSC + AHA works and if there is anyway of allowing brake and throttle overlap via a diagnostic mode or Hondata tuning setting. That way I could learn over time how to work along with the car's electronic systems rather than against them. I have found very information about this on YT as well as on forums. Hopefully you guys can give us some pointers down the track as you find out more about what makes the FL5 tick on track over time.
I love your detailed explanations. Tbh I really appreciate you going into detail explaining the difference on driving dynamics. I wish you would put out these types of videos more often 😊 Thanks 👍🏼 I have a FL5 CTR and new to track racing so I appreciate your explanations
Glad you like them! I hope to go more in depth with a panel of 2-3 guys that I know, know their stuff. Stay tuned as the channel continues to grow and evolve.
I have 12k miles on my FL5 when people ask me how it handles I can never explain it but dang u illustrated how it goes In through and out of a turn amazing
usually when other people narrate with track clip I would hope them be quiet. Now I found it's due to Jason's narration sounds beautiful and logical, and impactful that I wish he can even open a new story reading section XD
Great review, Jason! I remember having our stock suspension FL5 on GP last year as well (video on our channel), and it was terrifying how stiff and bouncy it was in +R. I had to set up Individual mode with everything in +R, except for suspension which I had to leave in Comfort. Just from watching the video I can see that the AST 5100 remains compliant and stable throughout the lap.
I could be wrong… but we have met before right? 😅 Do I look familiar? Did you also have an fk8 and your wife and I are colleges ? 😂 Am I thinking of the right person? Nice build! Love it! Would love to review it 😮
@DriversPaddock Yup, that's me, Humza :) Been catching up on your videos since then 😄 I moved the shop out here to the East end as well, but didn't make any time for the track this year with how busy the expansion has been. Hope to be out more next year at GP and other tracks! We can definitely plan a track day where you can get seat time in both of our FK8's (my street build, and my friend & employee's gutted track build)
Your comment “people like what they like” at 24:37 pretty much sums up the comment section. I came to the same conclusion that the Elantra was the better bang for the buck. The CTR just isn’t $10k better than the Elantra.
@@DriversPaddock I wish i can have you drive my car. I got pretty much stock fk8 just with cooling, springs/spherical and more importantly 1.5 cusco diff.. I'm too inexperienced of a driver to exploit the clutch type diff.
Very insightful and unbiased opinions and comments on both rides. Price is always a factor, especially in Singapore where I am living, so definitely it affects decision making in a purchase. Especially in Singapore where cars are maybe the most expensive in the whole world, most of us here can only afford the 1 and only ride that does everything. I am sold by this video u made, so u got me as a subscriber. 👍🏻😄👍🏻
Great discussion about the differentials. I had my first track day in my FL5 in October and honestly, I was pretty disappointed with the diff. After hearing so many UA-camr's and people rant and rave about how good the diff is in these cars, I was expecting it to feel leagues better than my 90's Type R engine/transmission swapped Civic. I just went straight in and drove with the pedal dance only, so maybe with having zero TC & brake vectoring is why, but the diff felt very weak. The car had tons of 3rd gear wheelspin and on-power understeer. I'm taking the car back out again this weekend, so i'm planning on giving +R mode a chance to see how that feels as well, and hopefully can shave a second or two!
Its worth it based on the lack of depreciation alone, I put 40k miles on my fk8 civic type r LE. I only lost 3.5k in depreciation. The dollor per mile cost is very low on these cars. The Elantra would have cost me more to own to due to Hyundai's horrible depreciation curve. If your buying this as primarily a track car it makes no sense, the over heating issues are near impossible to solve in any sort of cost effective manner. I don't know why would buy a hot hatch as a track car anyway, buy a dedicated platform like a SS 1LE.
I've been shopping for a 2022 EN or a 2018 FK8 and the EN is still cheaper by a like 5k min. Can't justify the FK8. Glad I got some justification with this review.
Awww I see you - out in #BowmanvilleOnt - I tested a modified amg gts full send 😅😅 it was fun, it was my first time at that track. Loving the typeR, all it needs is some cooling mods, brakes n brake fluids and maybe the #acura dampening mod 😅👍🏿 and she’s perfect 👌🏿
I have an FK8 and am definitely faster with the pedal dance vs long push VSA. OTOH, it may well be due to having softer shocks with the pedal dance. In the FK8, to go long push VSA requires the stiffer shock settings of the R+ mode where as in the FL5 I believe you can set these individually. Sure would like to have the Hyundai diff though and clutch type diffs are pretty pricey for the Honda. Wheel spin out of 5B or the Fabi hairpin is a big issue with my car. Don't really like using less throttle.
Great insights from a fast time attack FK8 Driver. For sure, the helical style will definitely struggle most in those tight corners, so it's even more important to get the car rotated earlier in the corner - which an experienced driver like yourself can do. Thanks for watching and for your insights.
Elantra N all day. Ill take my savings and use it to spend time on track. I only ever saw 2 FL5's on track here in illinois/Wisconsin/Michigan area this past season ..... Meanwhile ive seen dozens of N's on track bone stock and slightly modified. (Brake pads/wheels/tires). Thats it.
I have one in my personal car. Check out any of my videos on the blue m2 competition time attack build. Thanks for watching! More Honda and Hyundai reviews coming soon 👀!
I wanna start doing tracks day would you recommend this or the ss 1le? I know you can add a lot of power to the type r with mods but isn’t as track ready as the ss 1le in my opinion. What do you think?
Watch the 2 SS1LE videos on my channel now. A third one will be coming to the channel next week - a modified one. They are out of the box ready to track. Just change the brake fluid and add some camber for tire wear. The SS1LE and type R are both great cars, but they are very different.
The car is incredibly stable but I don’t think it can... I did an early lift and partial throttle over crest, into full throttle… a very conservative, lower risk approach. I don’t get enough feedback from the r23 to send it 10/10ths and keep in mind, I got 3 laps total. The car did slightly grab the rear inside wheel, which suggests to me the car is generating some yaw already in 4. I will say… it might very well be possible on CRS or RE71RS on a perfect day.
@DriversPaddock Type R is a nice car but personally not too impressed that the car with a 30hp advantage and 265 tires on 9.5 stock is barely faster than the car on 245/8. Would really really like to see this review. Your reviews are some of my favourite. Some of the best content out there
@@DriversPaddock I've been subscribed. I'm local to the GTA and have been out for a track day with the SPDA. Do you compete in OTA only? Or do you ever run lapping days with other groups? Also, just wondering about the point you made about throttle induced oversteer. I had believed that the EN actually rotates more than the type r. This is just from what I saw in track reviews by the Topher and in a savagegeese review (with Brit Casey). But the type r is actually more oversteer prone? Or are you saying that it's easier to modulate the oversteer without having to go fully on and off the pedal. IIRC, the EN only does brake torque vectoring with traction on. Traction full off will disable it (common tip to preserve pads). Maybe that gradual rear end rotation is the rear torque vectoring being active on the fl5?
I do OTA, CSCS, CTAC (now discontinued), LDRC Endurance Racing, CASC Sprints and next year - hopefully SPC and WRL. I Instruct with OTA, RASER Motorsports and will be with Sieya and JRP. Watch one more time when I talk about on throttle vs off throttle mechanics. I think you may be mixing up what I am saying. FWD cars do not have throttle induced oversteer, that's not possible if the rear wheels aren't driven. What I am saying is that off throttle, the EN rotates more easily and in tighter corners, even with traction control fully off, it does grab inside front wheel to help the car rotate and help the diff bind. That's where brake Torque vectoring and brake bias yaw control differ, they are different things. What I'm saying is that on power, if you need rotation, the EN you need to lift. The nose is not as eager to tuck in - this is true for ALL FWD cars EXCEPT the FL5 CTR or UNLESS there is some brake magic going on. The reason for this is that on power mechanics for FWD cars are such that, it will always pull the car straight. The CTR with its sophisticated front and rear brake grab allows throttle adjustability mid corner that the EN just doesn't have. The car knows that if you're slightly backing off the throttle, you want the nose in so it aids in this by grabbing rear brake to rotate the car.
According to TFL's pro driver, the ELANTRA N is a fairly neutral vehicle, and you can easily control oversteer and understeer. TFL's pro driver explained that the new CTR is a car focused on understeer. That's why he's saying that. In racing, you make countless mistakes. The Elantra N is the car that the driver can effectively control those mistakes. That's why the Elantra N is winning the WTCR and Michelin Pilot championships this year. They are competing among professionals, not amateurs like this channel. Did you know that Hyundai N has surpassed the CTR in U.S. professional racing for over 9 years? i30N, Veloster N, Enlantra N. The Elantra N had a facelift this year.
+R, VSA off I didn’t see a point in pedal dancing as I wanted to review and experience what the Honda engineers programmed and developed… and from the review… it’s amazing. Pedal dancing just makes the FL5 a FWD car with a helical style LSD, nothing special.
@@vjegathe I'm trying to figure out how to minimize how annoying it is. Been trying to let completely off the gas early but it hangs for so long that it just kinda sucks to do on spirited drives.
We had an Audi RS3 LMS TCR but we sold it and now have an Endurance race car Audi TT. Locally, there was a spec Audi TCR Cup but we have since moved on from sprint racing (for now) to Endurance.
If your like me and never earned enough to blow It on track fees or brakes, the EN still does amazing well as a daily. I live downtown Toronto and about 100 percent of my driving is city core. My 2023 now has 75000km and my lifetime average for fuel consumption is 9.4L/100km. Doubtful the any dedicated track car in existent can get that kind of consumption. 6MT and letting coast in gear helps with consumption. If you think that's not good consumption, you obviously never drove in downtown Toronto.
I don't think so this guy can drive any car fast AWD/FWD/RWD Jackie not so much the way I can explain it is Jackie is formula driver while Jason is a TCR driver
@@fkhothatchi I agree. Ontario time attack champion also. Also races enduro and podiums with regularity. I beat him in racing tho. same car, same tire. So we have Jackie ding, Jason ding and...John ding. 3 top TCR guys
@@boro92 can you get out of here? He’s lying everyone, this never happened 😂. In fact he took away one of my first places by going off track in our enduro car 🤣
14:23 it’s called lift-off oversteer and is a very normal characteristic of FWD cars. Nothing new at all. The shorter the wheelbase, the more pronounced this becomes.
Really want to like your videos, lots of content I am looking for, well edited and shot, however as soon as you pov driving starts and I see you your hands moving around on the wheel I have to switch off.
Civic is so overrated! How can anyone pay $50K for a honda??? 🤣 Build quality is rubbish, performance is garbage, branding is poor... Hyundai N-series over this crap any day!
Having owned both- the build quality on the elantra N is so far behind the CTR lol. One of the cheapest interiors on the market hands down. The CTR has also beat the EN in just about every single track comparison on YT, as well as just about every single overall comparison 😂 . Just say you can't afford the type r. No need to make bs up
@@vjd222dude Honda should pay you amount of D riding you do for this car in every type R video. Do you even work? lol because I don’t and see the thousands of comments you leave
That car is over 11 seconds faster around this track and he backed off the throttle to let his teammate pass. AFAIK, later that day, Jason came within a tenth and his teammate broke the production car record set by Lars Kern in a GT2 RS and Ron Fellows in a Z06.
@justinli2691 do you remember the motor trend article "giant killer CRX" probably before your time. Also the CRX was overall winner of a thunderhill endurance race.
@illwillem on YT really shows the world what the EN can do. Setting some records in his class at big name race tracks. The car loves being taken to the edge. Tune out O.L. and a little bit of love wheels tires etc... the car is a track menace. Resale isn't to bad either tbh. I think the R has been "overproduced" when people start selling prices will flop imo.
@@ShaiyanHossain same with the N they sold at $33k msrp and they go for $28k still. I've seen them $32k used. The TR is only that expensive because people are paying stupid prices for em to begin with.
Your last point about track time was the best. For the vast majority of us, seat time and coaching are going to make the biggest lap time improvements. After all the discussion about LSD torque vectoring and VSC intervention under trail braking you brought it back to maximizing track time and having fun. Great video!
💯 that’s what this channel is really all about… the entire track driving experience including the actual track driving, the community and becoming a better driver.
I’ll spend 24-48 hours before packing, prepping, checking the car over, waking up early, paying track fees… I want to drive and get as much seat time as possible.
Afterall, if we aren’t having fun or if we all drove the same car… it would take away from the experience and community.
Thanks for watching
Man spit facts in the discussion portion. So much good information not just on the type r or the elantra but FWD in general.
Would like to see more indepth explanations like this. I like the entry, mid corner and corner exit discussion.
Glad you enjoyed it, Stay tuned because we're going to change up the discussion portion with a podcast style panel of experts in 2025
@@DriversPaddock can't wait!!!!
The part where you talk about why the stock suspension in the rear is so stiff in R mode makes so much sense… this was really well done. More of the discussion part in other videos, this one was in depth. Had to pause a few times and think about what you were saying. You should do a podcast or something.
Great video once again
I hated Savagegeese's initial impression on FL5's R+ mode for having "too much rebound". Idk if they understood what "too much rebound" means.
A blanket statement that can mean either, "too much bouncing caused by having insufficient rebound force" or "jarring bouncing, when rebound force is too high where the damper packed down".
But through Jason's report, I think the R+ mode has too much rear compression damping Low to High Speed.
I’m getting a few questions on Instagram so I’ll add this here.
The high speed compression damping is too high- it is over damped. In other words, it’s not compressing enough on curbs, bumps, anything with high piston speed.
The rebound is under damped, in other words, it rebounds too quickly.
So on high speed, you get a suspension that is resistant to compressing and when it does, it wants to spring back too quickly.
On the low speed side, I find this acceptable and is actually the correct performance set up for an FF car. In an FF car, in regards to the on power mechanics, you don’t want the rear to squat. If it squats too much on power, the front wheels will have trouble putting down the power as you’re taking weight off the front axel.
I’d say it’s about right, and I understand what the Honda engineers are trying to do.
Also, as mentioned in the video, that will help the rear end rotate on entry and help with mid corner and exit as the driver gets on power.
With our previous Audi TCR and Current Audi TT Endurance car, we have the high speed compression set to soak up all the bumps, but the low speed damping is high to achieve the best of both worlds, namely… 1. Keep the wheels on the ground over bumps and curbs, ideally keeping the tire on the ground and settling in one stroke. 2. For the rear to not compress a lot on power, keeping the weight on the front driven wheels.
Thank you all for watching.
@@DriversPaddock need more of these explanations and details. You explain it well.
I’m a civic type R guy, but I can understand what you’re saying. the overheating issue is hard to deal with, with the FF packaging. with cooling, i can only for 3-4 laps hard before I need to cool down the car.
i’ve driven the elantra N as well… great car and your point about ‘people will like what they like’ is basically the comments section. i grew up with hondas and naturally have an affinity towards them.
thanks for another great video.
Just came across your channel belatedly, impressive channel and content indeed. Looks like it's a channel made by track enthusiasts for fellow track enthusiasts. I'm from Australia we bought our FL5 in May 2023 when they first became avail from dealers. Luckily there was no dealer premium here and we paid the MSRP of AUD $73000.
Was expecting the car to be like a bigger and more powerful version of a Golf Gti in manual rather than the high revving engines + close ratio gearings of Hondas of the past which we still have, and car turned out to be pretty much what we expected.
Driving it to the limit at the track was a differently story, while it solved all my lack of straightline speeds of my other Hondas, it give me plenty of news ones namely the electronic interventions. I couldn't disable the Agility Handling Assist even after pedal dance and the stability control can cut it pretty abruptly upon trail braking deep-ish into corners but applying the outside rear brakes quite hard ( very disconcerting when not expecting it ). Long pressing VSA in the individual mode just merely reduce the stability controls & traction control by a little and I don't get to remember do the pedal dance every time I get on the track.
Aside from optimising the car setup with suspension setup, tyres and brake pads upgrade to go faster, I would love to know more about the intricacies' of the how the VSC + AHA works and if there is anyway of allowing brake and throttle overlap via a diagnostic mode or Hondata tuning setting. That way I could learn over time how to work along with the car's electronic systems rather than against them. I have found very information about this on YT as well as on forums. Hopefully you guys can give us some pointers down the track as you find out more about what makes the FL5 tick on track over time.
I love your detailed explanations. Tbh I really appreciate you going into detail explaining the difference on driving dynamics. I wish you would put out these types of videos more often 😊 Thanks 👍🏼
I have a FL5 CTR and new to track racing so I appreciate your explanations
Glad you like them! I hope to go more in depth with a panel of 2-3 guys that I know, know their stuff. Stay tuned as the channel continues to grow and evolve.
I have 12k miles on my FL5 when people ask me how it handles I can never explain it but dang u illustrated how it goes In through and out of a turn amazing
usually when other people narrate with track clip I would hope them be quiet. Now I found it's due to Jason's narration sounds beautiful and logical, and impactful that I wish he can even open a new story reading section XD
Canadian TA EN driver here as well, love the breakdown!
Great video of EN vs CTR. The comparison between entry, mid-corner and exit phases are really detailed.
Great review, Jason! I remember having our stock suspension FL5 on GP last year as well (video on our channel), and it was terrifying how stiff and bouncy it was in +R.
I had to set up Individual mode with everything in +R, except for suspension which I had to leave in Comfort.
Just from watching the video I can see that the AST 5100 remains compliant and stable throughout the lap.
I could be wrong… but we have met before right? 😅
Do I look familiar? Did you also have an fk8 and your wife and I are colleges ? 😂
Am I thinking of the right person?
Nice build! Love it! Would love to review it 😮
@DriversPaddock Yup, that's me, Humza :) Been catching up on your videos since then 😄
I moved the shop out here to the East end as well, but didn't make any time for the track this year with how busy the expansion has been.
Hope to be out more next year at GP and other tracks! We can definitely plan a track day where you can get seat time in both of our FK8's (my street build, and my friend & employee's gutted track build)
I would love that. Message me on Instagram and let’s connect. Subscribed to your channel as well, will catch up on those videos this week.
Your comment “people like what they like” at 24:37 pretty much sums up the comment section.
I came to the same conclusion that the Elantra was the better bang for the buck. The CTR just isn’t $10k better than the Elantra.
Definitely enjoyed this break down! Thank you
You are the fastest ricer I know in Toronto Area 💯🔥🔥🔥
You already know 😂
that dual axis front strut does magic! almost as good as DWB
Its their cope for not being able to put dwb front suspension in a civic again, but they did a damn good job id say
It’s really clever. I should have expanded on that.
@@DriversPaddock I wish i can have you drive my car. I got pretty much stock fk8 just with cooling, springs/spherical and more importantly 1.5 cusco diff.. I'm too inexperienced of a driver to exploit the clutch type diff.
We can arrange that, are you local? Message us on Instagram @driverspaddock
We’ll get you out at one of our track day schools.
Very insightful and unbiased opinions and comments on both rides. Price is always a factor, especially in Singapore where I am living, so definitely it affects decision making in a purchase. Especially in Singapore where cars are maybe the most expensive in the whole world, most of us here can only afford the 1 and only ride that does everything.
I am sold by this video u made, so u got me as a subscriber. 👍🏻😄👍🏻
TypeR > Elentra always - looks better, drives better - complete performance car for me - greetings from Germany!
I hope you enjoy it for many years to come! Great car
I will say that looks are subjective. Elantra looks better to me because I don’t like hatches
Great discussion about the differentials. I had my first track day in my FL5 in October and honestly, I was pretty disappointed with the diff. After hearing so many UA-camr's and people rant and rave about how good the diff is in these cars, I was expecting it to feel leagues better than my 90's Type R engine/transmission swapped Civic. I just went straight in and drove with the pedal dance only, so maybe with having zero TC & brake vectoring is why, but the diff felt very weak. The car had tons of 3rd gear wheelspin and on-power understeer. I'm taking the car back out again this weekend, so i'm planning on giving +R mode a chance to see how that feels as well, and hopefully can shave a second or two!
Its worth it based on the lack of depreciation alone, I put 40k miles on my fk8 civic type r LE. I only lost 3.5k in depreciation.
The dollor per mile cost is very low on these cars.
The Elantra would have cost me more to own to due to Hyundai's horrible depreciation curve.
If your buying this as primarily a track car it makes no sense, the over heating issues are near impossible to solve in any sort of cost effective manner. I don't know why would buy a hot hatch as a track car anyway, buy a dedicated platform like a SS 1LE.
Horrible 0-60 times. Mark ups aren't worth the price of the car.
@davothegreat9990 Only simpletons buy cars based off 0-60 times alone
@anroopahl it's everything on the street. Just buy a mustang gt. Yote is 🤴
@@davothegreat9990 Between autocross and track days I do probably 24 events a year, who cares about the street.
@@anroopahl well, obviously, everyone else but you...🤣🤣
🔥breakdown as always!
Appreciate that 🙏
I've been shopping for a 2022 EN or a 2018 FK8 and the EN is still cheaper by a like 5k min. Can't justify the FK8. Glad I got some justification with this review.
that markup is crazy, you can get them for msrp now in the states if you look around for one. my local dealer has them for msrp.
33.8 is fast any which way you look at it. Any chance you can try again with RE71RS or CRS?
Excellent, where is this Track? Enjoying watching you drive on the track. Maybe because of the rev matching?
Former f1 track, Canadian tire Motorsports park Grand Prix track! Highest average speed of any track in North America.
@@DriversPaddock That is awesome. I am glad you enjoy every single min of it.
Excellent video.!! Excellent
I love my FL5, when I swapped to my 18xTe37s on Pilot Sports 4s tires the hopping and stiffness disappeared.
Awww I see you - out in #BowmanvilleOnt - I tested a modified amg gts full send 😅😅 it was fun, it was my first time at that track. Loving the typeR, all it needs is some cooling mods, brakes n brake fluids and maybe the #acura dampening mod 😅👍🏿 and she’s perfect 👌🏿
Come say hi if you ever see me. Love connecting with local subscribers
Those regamasters plus the endless caliper looks grrrrrrrreat!!!! (get it like Tony the tiger)
Ricers going to rice.
Do you know that Hyundai N cars are receiving more BOP penalties than the CTR?
Why do you think that is?
I have an FK8 and am definitely faster with the pedal dance vs long push VSA. OTOH, it may well be due to having softer shocks with the pedal dance. In the FK8, to go long push VSA requires the stiffer shock settings of the R+ mode where as in the FL5 I believe you can set these individually. Sure would like to have the Hyundai diff though and clutch type diffs are pretty pricey for the Honda. Wheel spin out of 5B or the Fabi hairpin is a big issue with my car. Don't really like using less throttle.
Great insights from a fast time attack FK8 Driver. For sure, the helical style will definitely struggle most in those tight corners, so it's even more important to get the car rotated earlier in the corner - which an experienced driver like yourself can do.
Thanks for watching and for your insights.
Elantra N all day. Ill take my savings and use it to spend time on track. I only ever saw 2 FL5's on track here in illinois/Wisconsin/Michigan area this past season ..... Meanwhile ive seen dozens of N's on track bone stock and slightly modified. (Brake pads/wheels/tires). Thats it.
One of my absolute favorite car ever :D
I can see why!
What are those seat belt holders on the seats?
help your track day with aim led Dash ..+or- 0,10 every Sector with green or Red LED.. super help!!
I have one in my personal car. Check out any of my videos on the blue m2 competition time attack build.
Thanks for watching! More Honda and Hyundai reviews coming soon 👀!
any thoughts of an fk8 review video
@@bensnow4831 will be coming to the channel soon 😉
Yessss. Would love to hear your thoughts @driverspaddock
Even better with traction control off and re-71rs tires 18s
I wanna start doing tracks day would you recommend this or the ss 1le? I know you can add a lot of power to the type r with mods but isn’t as track ready as the ss 1le in my opinion. What do you think?
Also adding to that, the track has good turns and is a bit more technical than straight only about 3 straights where you can pick it up.
Watch the 2 SS1LE videos on my channel now. A third one will be coming to the channel next week - a modified one.
They are out of the box ready to track. Just change the brake fluid and add some camber for tire wear. The SS1LE and type R are both great cars, but they are very different.
is it possible to go flat down T4? Seems very interesting
The car is incredibly stable but I don’t think it can... I did an early lift and partial throttle over crest, into full throttle… a very conservative, lower risk approach. I don’t get enough feedback from the r23 to send it 10/10ths and keep in mind, I got 3 laps total. The car did slightly grab the rear inside wheel, which suggests to me the car is generating some yaw already in 4.
I will say… it might very well be possible on CRS or RE71RS on a perfect day.
I did it with my FK8, I have a front splitter tho.
Resale easily offsets the initial price difference. When you go to trade/resell are you really okay with paying more out of pocket for the Elantra?
You need to run a tuned elantra N on similar tires to a type r (18x9.5 +45 265/35/18).
Funny you say that…. 😉
@DriversPaddock Type R is a nice car but personally not too impressed that the car with a 30hp advantage and 265 tires on 9.5 stock is barely faster than the car on 245/8.
Would really really like to see this review. Your reviews are some of my favourite. Some of the best content out there
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@@DriversPaddock I've been subscribed. I'm local to the GTA and have been out for a track day with the SPDA. Do you compete in OTA only? Or do you ever run lapping days with other groups?
Also, just wondering about the point you made about throttle induced oversteer. I had believed that the EN actually rotates more than the type r. This is just from what I saw in track reviews by the Topher and in a savagegeese review (with Brit Casey). But the type r is actually more oversteer prone? Or are you saying that it's easier to modulate the oversteer without having to go fully on and off the pedal.
IIRC, the EN only does brake torque vectoring with traction on. Traction full off will disable it (common tip to preserve pads). Maybe that gradual rear end rotation is the rear torque vectoring being active on the fl5?
I do OTA, CSCS, CTAC (now discontinued), LDRC Endurance Racing, CASC Sprints and next year - hopefully SPC and WRL.
I Instruct with OTA, RASER Motorsports and will be with Sieya and JRP.
Watch one more time when I talk about on throttle vs off throttle mechanics. I think you may be mixing up what I am saying. FWD cars do not have throttle induced oversteer, that's not possible if the rear wheels aren't driven. What I am saying is that off throttle, the EN rotates more easily and in tighter corners, even with traction control fully off, it does grab inside front wheel to help the car rotate and help the diff bind. That's where brake Torque vectoring and brake bias yaw control differ, they are different things.
What I'm saying is that on power, if you need rotation, the EN you need to lift. The nose is not as eager to tuck in - this is true for ALL FWD cars EXCEPT the FL5 CTR or UNLESS there is some brake magic going on. The reason for this is that on power mechanics for FWD cars are such that, it will always pull the car straight. The CTR with its sophisticated front and rear brake grab allows throttle adjustability mid corner that the EN just doesn't have. The car knows that if you're slightly backing off the throttle, you want the nose in so it aids in this by grabbing rear brake to rotate the car.
Engine sounds like a videogame. Monotonous.
Very flat even to redline.
According to TFL's pro driver, the ELANTRA N is a fairly neutral vehicle, and you can easily control oversteer and understeer.
TFL's pro driver explained that the new CTR is a car focused on understeer. That's why he's saying that.
In racing, you make countless mistakes. The Elantra N is the car that the driver can effectively control those mistakes.
That's why the Elantra N is winning the WTCR and Michelin Pilot championships this year. They are competing among professionals, not amateurs like this channel.
Did you know that Hyundai N has surpassed the CTR in U.S. professional racing for over 9 years? i30N, Veloster N, Enlantra N. The Elantra N had a facelift this year.
No way dudes comparing TCR to regular track day/road cars you can buy lol. Type R better but more expensive, it’s factual
No its not really. Check out illwillem and his EN. @@30hours51
isnt lynk and co beating both Honda and Hyundai at this point lol
@@30hours51 Just search TCR homologation. Idiot.
Did you do +r mode and VSA off or pedal dance?
+R, VSA off
I didn’t see a point in pedal dancing as I wanted to review and experience what the Honda engineers programmed and developed… and from the review… it’s amazing.
Pedal dancing just makes the FL5 a FWD car with a helical style LSD, nothing special.
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Can I please buy your front lip on this fl5
18:43 definitely not driver error.
Yes, It does have rev hang, not driver error
@@vjegathe I'm trying to figure out how to minimize how annoying it is. Been trying to let completely off the gas early but it hangs for so long that it just kinda sucks to do on spirited drives.
Get a JAS Honda to track , there are a lot of used ones now !
We had an Audi RS3 LMS TCR but we sold it and now have an Endurance race car Audi TT. Locally, there was a spec Audi TCR Cup but we have since moved on from sprint racing (for now) to Endurance.
If your like me and never earned enough to blow It on track fees or brakes, the EN still does amazing well as a daily. I live downtown Toronto and about 100 percent of my driving is city core. My 2023 now has 75000km and my lifetime average for fuel consumption is 9.4L/100km. Doubtful the any dedicated track car in existent can get that kind of consumption. 6MT and letting coast in gear helps with consumption. If you think that's not good consumption, you obviously never drove in downtown Toronto.
Jackie Ding 2.0😅
I don't think so this guy can drive any car fast AWD/FWD/RWD Jackie not so much the way I can explain it is Jackie is formula driver while Jason is a TCR driver
@@fkhothatchi I agree. Ontario time attack champion also. Also races enduro and podiums with regularity. I beat him in racing tho. same car, same tire. So we have Jackie ding, Jason ding and...John ding. 3 top TCR guys
@@boro92 can you get out of here? He’s lying everyone, this never happened 😂. In fact he took away one of my first places by going off track in our enduro car 🤣
@@fkhothatchi He's a very adaptable driver, that's for sure. Gets in and does 2-3 laps and is already going faster than 99 percent of people.
Wow this track looks so fast almost like nurberg
It is a wonderful track but also high consequence. Not a lot of room for error.
Former F1 Track, Canadian tire Motorsports park GP. highest average speed of any track in North America
well, first in US, the car can be bought for sticker so I would choose the Type r and the N is just not a good looking car.
The wing🤮
14:23 it’s called lift-off oversteer and is a very normal characteristic of FWD cars. Nothing new at all. The shorter the wheelbase, the more pronounced this becomes.
Really want to like your videos, lots of content I am looking for, well edited and shot, however as soon as you pov driving starts and I see you your hands moving around on the wheel I have to switch off.
Civic is so overrated! How can anyone pay $50K for a honda??? 🤣 Build quality is rubbish, performance is garbage, branding is poor... Hyundai N-series over this crap any day!
brother, those N cars are blowing engines left and right.
Having owned both- the build quality on the elantra N is so far behind the CTR lol. One of the cheapest interiors on the market hands down. The CTR has also beat the EN in just about every single track comparison on YT, as well as just about every single overall comparison 😂 . Just say you can't afford the type r. No need to make bs up
@@vjd222dude Honda should pay you amount of D riding you do for this car in every type R video. Do you even work? lol because I don’t and see the thousands of comments you leave
😂😂 if you can’t afford the R just say so
@@Ben_CincySnakes I own FK805
After seeing the GT3-RS pass you like that I lost interest. Yes modern cars are too heavy, hard on tires.
That car is over 11 seconds faster around this track and he backed off the throttle to let his teammate pass. AFAIK, later that day, Jason came within a tenth and his teammate broke the production car record set by Lars Kern in a GT2 RS and Ron Fellows in a Z06.
@jackycheung7565 WOW 11 Sec thats insane! , back in the day a crx si, or a prelude VTEC could hang with a 911.
Is this a joke? 7:44 ring time vs 6:49. No civic with equally skilled drivers ever kept up with RS
@justinli2691 do you remember the motor trend article "giant killer CRX" probably before your time. Also the CRX was overall winner of a thunderhill endurance race.
@justinli2691 the CRX was faster arround the Riverside raceway than the Ferrari and Porsche.
@illwillem on YT really shows the world what the EN can do. Setting some records in his class at big name race tracks. The car loves being taken to the edge. Tune out O.L. and a little bit of love wheels tires etc... the car is a track menace. Resale isn't to bad either tbh. I think the R has been "overproduced" when people start selling prices will flop imo.
They made 40k fk8s, half of which went to north America, and most of them are still going at $30k+ usd
@@ShaiyanHossainyup! TypeR will maintain value, especially the ones that are well maintained. The N will not be so lucky.
@@ShaiyanHossain same with the N they sold at $33k msrp and they go for $28k still. I've seen them $32k used. The TR is only that expensive because people are paying stupid prices for em to begin with.