YESSSS and people say that the Starks never did any incest. lol Hellooooo Sansa was supposed to marry her COUSIN Robyn Arryn, as everyone seems to have forgotten.
Ok my thoughts, please take them with a grain of salt. I dont think Danearys is a bad person per se.. She did free the Unsullied and then promptly had them join her army so they never were truly free IMO.. When Jon ask Missandei does she truly believe Danearys would let her leave and Missandei said Yes. Unfortunately, for Missandei, I agree with Jon. I dont think Danearys would let her leave, she would make an excuse up but she would want her to stay because she doesnt have many friends or allies and keeping the Unsullied around and Missandei is a constant reminder of her "goodness". Yes, I think Danearys did a great act by freeing slaves and I dont think she means wrong. However, Danearys has bad instincts.. Her first instinct is always Fire and Blood and shes been reigned in somewhat by advisors but they really cant control her anymore, very similar to the Mad King. Unfortunately, I see Dany shifting towards bad. What she did to the Tarlys was horrible. She claims she not Cersei and in the same breath said bent the knee or Die. Then she proceeds to burn two men of a great house alive by DRAGONS. Umm thats some crazy shit. Im sorry but it is. Then everyone bent the knee to her out of FEAR not love or loyalty. Danearys is an amazing Conqueror, no one can deny that but lets pose a hypothetical situation: Say Dany becomes Queen , she will be bored out of her MIND.. She doesnt know how to truly rule the people.. she would probably use her Dragons for the most minor of infractions because she enjoys burning shit. These are not the qualities or characteristics you want in a fair and just ruler. I dont hate Dany's character but I see the path that she is on and it worries me. I dont think Danearys would be a good queen, she reminds me of Robert Baratheon good at fighting but bad at ruling. Dany and Jon (imo) could NEVER be because it would always always be a power struggle and Jon would be a threat to her. Once his identity is revealed, I can only imagine what her reaction is going to be and I am guessing it wont be welcome to the family nephew. Moving on to Jon. Jon has the ability to be a Wonderful King. He is a Targ that was raised as a Northman and (dont get mad) Sansa completes him. Jon and Sansa are a set and I know everyone has their opinion on this and many hate the idea but Jon and Sansa compliment each other beautifully. They would rule so wonderfully together. Sansa knows how the game works and the politics and Jon is a military man. Both are natural leaders, Both care about the people, and both work well together. Now I dont care if its a love match, arrange marriage, or whatever. Jon and Sansa are GREAT together, period. I don't know if this will happen on the show or not but I hope it does because I know that the Kingdoms would have a peaceful reign under those two as King and Queen. Can you say the same about Jon and Dany? I think not. Whatever you make think of Jon or think of Sansa, all that training they received had a purpose and I do think they will rule together but we shall see in 2019.
Amen to everything! I agree 100%. Daenerys is not a bad person per se, I agree. But she's a huge hypocrite and at the end everything she does serves her and her quest for the throne. She freed people but these people had nowhere else to go really. She destroys structures but doesn't establish anything longterm. She's not a good ruler, she's a conquerer. She has never even done any actual ruling. She gathers people behind her for her own purpose, her actions contradict her holy savior image. She preaches she wants to help people but is actually only willing to help if it doesn't stand in her way to getting he iron throne. I do not hate her, but she is not a hero in my eyes and season 8 will bring that to a conclusion, hopefully. If she goes completely dark I would root for it 100%. Her story is so tragic, she started out as likable innocent girl but got corrupted more and more by power. Classic Tolkien narrative. She makes such an interesting antagonist and I can't wait to see it. As for Jon and Sansa, again agree 100%. The only reasonable logical political and personal match and outcome.
If you haven't already, read A Time For Wolves, the case for Jon and Sansa by Blindspot it has no bias at all and focuses primarily on the books its just cold hard facts stated in a factual way it just goes in to depth with the foreshadowing and stuff its a good read even if you aren't a Jonsa shipper also it was written in 2012 so definitely no show bias
Feuerhexe yeah I don't really see how people can just completely dismiss the Jon/Sansa thing as a crackship especially now that we know Jon's true parentage for sure
I think Jon was on dragonstone for 2 or 3 months, so he and Dany must of had time to talk about stuff,. Dany even said "she had grown used to him" . I think having 7 episodes killed the time we could see them on screen, I blame D&D for this really. I agree with you about Jon Real name, it Completely sucks.
They would have had more than enough time to actually do some proper scenes. Robb and Talisa happened in like two episodes, but it was believable because they had very good scenes with very meaningful conversations about themselves, about their mentality, their philosophies etc. But I'm supposed to believe that everything important in season 7 happened off screen, it doesn't work for me.
I think it's more likely that Jon will make her a better person, and then he will die leaving her alone with a throne when all she really wanted was a family. Thats pretty central to her character in the books atleast. Youre spot on on that the reveal of jons parentage will cause some serious upheavals, Tyrion and Varys might want to back him more. It will also cause a rift between Jon and Daenerys, probably more on Jons end because he wont want to marry his aunt. Or, Daenerys pushes him away to make sure he marries a woman who can give him children, like sansa, only to find out she's pregnant. There's alot of ways her arc could end but I'd be shocked if dying in childbirth is it. That would be a pretty massive disservice I think. It's more likely that she ends up alone with Jon's kid and kinda blaming herself for it but finding purpose in being a ruler only after realising she does not even want to be one. GRRM said that the only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself. Daenerys is one of the more internally conflicted characters and I'm sure her final purpose in this story will reflect that somehow. The show can't really bring it to light as much because of no introspection, but they can show that through her actions at the end. When it comes to Danys vision of Drogo and her child I think its for closure purposes, she says "when the sun rises in the west" basically calling it impossible before she walks away from it to find her dragons.
I absolutely don't think Jon or anyone else will manage to make her a better person. There's so much drama foreshadowing (as pointed out in the video and lots of stuff was pushed into season 8 for a reason like Jon finding out about the Tarly roast fest) plus it would be totally and utterly lame. They better go through with it and finish what they set up. I also don't think Jon will die, but I think she will. I'm not sure how yet, but lately I'm really more and more inclined to believe the Night Queen theory. All the baby talk might be a huge red herring, and it would be so utterly soap opera, but then again, if she dies, it would be just yet another Ned/Cat/Jon/Sansa parallel raising a bastard child hah. If they truly wanted to set up a Jon/Daenerys marriage, they would have at least mentioned it in season 7, but the only one who mentioned the option was Littlefinger. But again, it would be the lamest BS ever and I don't even think she will see the end of the story alive. This is really not her destiny.
Yes I think so as well. Yes Varys might die for his betrayal, maybe? I would hate it, I really love him as character. If Daenerys really ends up burning him alive, I will riot. And yes Sansa will rule :)
I personally believe It was the right time for Jon to bend the knee to Daenerys, She did commit her forces to Fight the night king and she also lost one of her children in the process. Jon and the fellowship of the whites would all be members of the Nights kings army right now if it was not for Dany. Also Like it or not it will be Danys forces that defeat the Night king in the end, She has over 110k strong army and 2 dragons, it's her who will be sacrificing the most.
It’s funny, because Varys told Tyrion at the 31:32 mark that, “he needs to find a way to make her listen” and what does he do at the beginning of this video when he’s talking to her? Pointing her in the Jon direction. He was moving them like pawns on a chessboard. He told Jon to “get to know her”, told Dany that “Jon is in love with her”. I think he was watching Jon go into her cabin at the end of season 7 because he “brought” them both together, by moving his pieces, hoping that’ll finally get her to “listen” to reason and be the queen they all “know” her to be. But he may be in for a bigger surprise if the political Jon theory plays out 😊. I’m sorry if my comment is all over the place. I have to get it all out before I forget what I was going to say, haha!
Wow ! Superb this may be your best vid since I subscribed . Very comprehensive and your opinions and arguments very compelling though I must admit I already felt the same way about most of S7 anyway. Have to say unless D&D are trolling us all it's sad they had these actors perform some of these scenes. Utterly ridiculous where they were taking things for no apparent reason not to mention the degree of believability the audience had to endure . It would so awesome if Jon is using some practical thinking in his own way that arc for him I'm certainly hoping for . One of my concerns for S8 is that they will fall into the same rushed storyline rut again but right now I m taking that S7 was planned as throw away get to the touching points Season to set up final season even if it meant sacrificing any valuable content or believability. Yes when do we see Jon lusting over Dany. Really cmon now it's definitely her more than him . Really enjoyed your fully complete review of S 7 Jon centric great points with intelligence and some frustration I feel your pain👍
Thank you :) I agree about season 8, I really fear that it will be even more rushed than season 7. This season needed 10 episodes, everything was rushed, not fleshed out and characters acted strangely just to reach certain plot points. I think the Winterfell plot was even worse than this one. I might do another video about that.
Feuerhexe if in fact Jonsa Happens I hope they wise up and spend enough time developing the relationship they wasted that opportunity with the wacked Sansa/Arya creepiness! With the emphasis being the Real war for S8 who knows what falls by the wayside story wise this less episode count was a big mistake for S7 fingers crossed they have a better plan for S8
Jonsa was already build up a little in season 6 and also season 7, it wouldn't be as rushed as J/D. But I'm afraid they might make it more of a political marriage. But then again, it would be yet another Ned/Cat parallel, they weren't in love either when they got married, they built it over the years. But there's definitely a certain kind of love already there. But Jon still thinks she's his sister, so he can't act on it. Sansa/Arya really made no sense this season. Sansa was basically ready to have Arya killed, they filmed a scene where she asks Bran about what he knows, but it was deleted. It's so stupid and out of character. Bran was so underused this season as well. They better defeat the White Walkers pretty quickly in season 8 and then it's on to the throne issue.
Feuerhexe seriously hope they make better use of the limited time and get the real war concluded and move on to a substantial end game . Yes Bran was barely present physically and emotionally and my hope their is a hint toward the Elizabeth / Tudor pairing for Jon and Sansa . Side note '. Jesus the spoilers are making the rounds already the rounds already or at least supposed leaks 😳
You have every right to your opinion, and I know better than to even try to talk you out of it. But I have been where you are. I know what it feels like to fall in love with an onscreen couple, to pour huge amounts of time and energy into thinking about them, dreaming about how great their story could be, feeling immense hatred for the romantic rival - only to get your heart broken in the end. That's how I know I shouldn't even bother to try and convince you Jonsa won't happen. Nothing but the show itself can ever convince you of that. But I strongly advise you to do anything you can to lessen your emotional attachment to this show and to Jonsa. Develop any other interests you can, watch other shows, whatever. Life is precious, and it's really not worth getting your heart broken over fictional characters on a TV show. Trust me, I know.
fyreflye100 That's right , only the show / the author can show us what will happen or not happen. None of us know the endgame yet, so until then we can say what we hope / think will happen. And even if something does not become canon, I can still ship/love it. And I'm watching other shows as well, so no worries ;)
Jonas or no Jonsa, jonerys by itself makes no sense. I can deal with no Jonsa, if we didn't have this farce of a love story instead. Just focus on saving Westeros. That's what made the show special to me anyway, that it was epic without needing to be a soap opera. And for someone who says she isn't going to lecture her about her investment in Jonsa, you were just looking for a way to do that while pretending you weren't going to. This whole post has you doing just THAT.
Of course you can. I'm not saying don't make predictions. I'm saying don't make the same mistake I made and invest too many emotions in the fate of fictional characters. Not when their fate is completely out of your hands. It's not worth it. My advice is to get some emotional distance, just in case the story doesn't turn out the way you hope. Because I've been there and done that and it's extremely not fun. But thanks for the reply and take care.
We all have our theories, wishes and predictions. I think as a GoT fan everyone does and it's one of the many fun things about this show. I love watching theories as much as developing them. Which show gave you such an emotional trauma if I may ask? ;)
Yes, right now GoT is like any other fantasy story really. The whole season, including the J/D plot, was very fantasy and predictable tbh. And if J/D is really supposed to be this epic love story, it was incredibly badly written and acted. To be honest, after season 7 my faith altogether in D&D has gotten extremely low, so I try not to get into season 8 too optimistic. But it's a relief that at least their endgame is supposed to be the same as GRRM's.
This has been the best review video for the season I've seen. I love how you use different scenes and I also like how you listed what you didn't like and why. I have to say that this definitely was a disappointing season. Hopefully next season will be good, even though I feel that the decrease in episodes has hurt the show.
Thank you! :) Yes, I wanted to do this a little more detailed and structured this time. It was lots of fun. Yes, not just the Jon plot was very disappointing, the Winterfell plot was a complete mess and other things as well. I might do another video about that, especially Winterfell. I agree, this season needed 10 episodes like the other seasons. It's not doing the storytelling any good.
Like Gendry most of all. They brought him back for what exactly? I thought he would be super meaningful forging dragonglass weapons etc. But no he was just brought back to run a marathon to Eastwatch.
Awesome video! I'm hoping that Season 8 is able to stick the landing but with only 6 episodes left I am worried that they are going to rush everything to get to the end.
I am worried as well and try not to be too optimistic. Season 7 has given me a huge blow and I lost faith in D&D, sadly. Season 8 might be just as rushed as this season.
Omg feuerhexe good to see you back, but idk what to think of this video. I agree with you it was not the best season, I found it frustrating at times, big plot holes. But do you think that your dream of Seeing Sansa and Jon together is distorting your enjoyment of the show and shaping your Prediction of the ending ? . I know there is a lot of Jon and sansa fan fiction around but it looks like GRRM was never going to make them an item. I'm convinced your love for Sansa is making you hate Dany even more, because she is Jon's love rival in your eyes.
I had a dislike for Daenerys long before I started liking tihe idea of Jon/Sansa and I tried to make my reasons clear in this video. I know many people think Jonsa fans don't like Daenerys because they see her as rival, but that is not true.
It's good to see someone who has a balanced opinion of GOT and doesn't blindly hate Danys character for shipping reasons. Sometimes I wonder if Sansa fans are watching the same show as me. Isn't it about time Dany and Sansa fans stopped ripping into each others characters ?.
I don't get why people think the only reason to dislike Dany is because of shipping. There are many people who simply don't agree with her methods and her personality, how she developed during the last seasons. But that doesn't mean she's hated. I think it makes her interesting. She's a grey character and seeing her as antagonist makes her soooo much more interesting. But there are actually many people who love both her and Sansa because they're quite similar in some ways and have been through similar stuff.
Feuerhexe Yes there are some people who like both Sansa and Dany, yes both have a similar past experience , but Sansa and Dany are two completely different people. Sansa sat on her arse in kingslanding doing nothing for herself, while Dany started off with nothing and has changed the lives of thousands of people in Esso and gets stronger every season. Personally I don't think Its just a coincidence that the anti Dany argument started at about the same time the Jonsa fan theory became popular over 2 years ago. Some of the things you say in this video are just so biased, like suggesting it was Danys fault for bringing down the wall, Are you serious ?. Its was tyrions stupid plan to go north of the wall, Dany didn't even want jon to go north of the wall, she was deeply sceptical until Jon persuaded her with that ridiculous speech of his. Dany only went North of the wall to save jon and his merry group of men from death. Jonsa fans would of been the first ones to of criticised Dany if she would of left Jon and the others to die, Instead you blame everything on Dany when tyrion and Jon had a bigger role to play in the walls collapse. I noticed how you left out tyrion and Jons involvement in decisions making process of bringing down the wall.
Feuerhexe You say making Dany a villain would make her more interesting, I wholeheartedly disagree, I love Dany the way she is thank you very much. I think making Sansa stark a villain would be the best thing ever for her storyline. Sansa plot has just drifted season after season with no real direction or vision and many of the people that I know say Sansa stark is just plain old boring. Dany has always been kind of heart, she doesn't show any sociopathic tendencies in either the show or the books. Has Dany made mistake, yes she has, But Sansa stark has made some horrific mistakes which have resulted in her father's death and the death of her dire wolf lady, FACT. Dany has the responsibility of real power during a time of conflict with the masters. She is a 16 years old queen and you expect her to be flawless and perfect at such a young age ?. I find this video bitterly biased and doesn't represent the Daenery character that Grrm has written. You say Dany is a grey character, I agree. But she has never been an antagonist, she's a true hero for saving the slaves in Esso, Dany wouldn't of had any growth if she didn't have any challenges in Esso, that was the whole purpose of her story ack, to make mistakes and grow for when she takes her place as queen of the 7 kingdoms.
I'm only speaking from my POV, I understand that Dany fans disagree. I know people still blame Sansa for being a naive 11 year old girl when she was 11, blame her for Ned's death etc. etc. They pretty much blame her for everything back then because she was a child in a hostile environment. Ned got himself killed because he was too honorable in the wrong environment. It backfired. But people rather blame Sansa, a child, for this. And yes Sansa doesn't fight with weapons, she doesn't wield swords, she doesn't have dragons or anything like that, so that makes her plain and boring. But in fact Sansa had the best arc, kept her humanity and kindness despite everything that happened to her, survived all the way through without wielding swords and came into her own as responsible leader who got her home back and does anything to protect her family because she learnt that family is what truly matters. I see no logic in making a last minute villain for no reason. Dany turning antagonist has been teased for several seasons now, she was a hero to many people in Essos, but to Westeros she's an antagonist. It was quite obvious last season when she had to force people into bending the knee by using her dragon. I think her thirst for power has corrupted her more and more and it's quite tragic. But that's what makes her so interesting. She's no villain, but she's no hero either.
They were beyond the Wall because Dany insisted on a ceasefire Cersei. So they had to capture a wight. They were beyond the Wall because that was Dany's condition for support. The entire mission was stupid, and yes Tyrion came up with the plan, but she agreed to it because she was more worried about Cersei taking back whatever few territories Dany conquered so far. What was Jon supposed to do? That was Dany's condition, so he had to go beyond the Wall again. And then the plan failed, and the least Dany could do was save them from the mess she put them in. Sansa and Dany are both strong characters, each in their very own way. You can accuse me of being biased and say anyone who criticises saint Dany is just a biased Jonsa shipper, but that argument doesn't work anymore with me, frankly. There are many people who criticise her and who are not Jonsa shippers. I simply cannot root for someone who burns people alive en masse, conquers one place after another without establishing anything remotely working as proper substitute and who's slowly drifting into antagonist territory because her obsession with a metal chair makes her blind to reality. Season 8 hopefully brings her arc to a logical conclusion.
As for Targ bowl LOL, it just not happening at all. We have 6 episodes left, how can we turned Jon and Dany into enemys with such little time, plus we have The night king and cercei to deal with.
I am kind of worried that they will do the boring, predictable outcome as it's now basically the old cliche "good versus evil" story. But I still hope for the opposite.
I think it could very well happen and be used to turn Dany into a Nissa Nissa of sorts, Jon kills Dany and then Longclaw just catches fire, imagine how fucking awesome that would be
They were turned into love in "little time ". Lmao. Besides, her finding he can get the throne instead of her? They don't need much time to make her turn on him!
I love that theory so much, even though I still think it makes way too much sense for D&D lol. Unless of course this is what GRRM had in mind anyway. Seriously at the moment ANYTHING would better than the cliche and horribly written BS they seem to show us.
Feuerhexe for real its turning into a typical Hollywood affair with all the classic tropes now, this season was so predictable and the whole rushed ass Jon and Daenaerys dynamic played out like a bad fanfiction
As a Sansa and Jon fan, I can say that what I saw between them was nothing more than an older sibling protective and respective of another sibling, nothing between them emotionally matched the boat scene, not even when Jon handed the North to Sansa and his leaving. I do think that the cousins could wind up ruling Westeros, Jon in the South and Sansa the North, not saying they won't marry ( it's GRRM story ) it; will not be one that either would want. I think only two people be right for Sansa and one isn't in show, that's Ned Dayne, the other Podrick Payne ( he's lower born and could take the Stark name. ).
Well, on Game of Thrones nobody marries for love anyway. And if you do, that doesn't end well (see Robb). However, it could be just another Ned/Cat parallel, they didn't marry for love either, they built their love over the years. The same could happen with Jon/Sansa, I think. Their match would make lots of sense politically, in my opinion. And even their sibling relationship conveys way more emotions than Jon/Daenerys, imo. Most of all the stiff boat scene, there were absolutely no emotions and it was super unearned. Thanks for the comment :)
I'm never been the biggest fan of Sansa's to be honest, I don't think She has developed that much from season 1, she can still be an annoying and petulant little girl sometimes. Like the way she treated Breanna in episode 6 or the way she keeps interupting Jon in open court in the 1st two episodes or the way she walked off when she saw Breanna and Arya bonding. Even the way she treated Jon growing up was nasty, she was just like her Mother towards Jon. I also don't think sansa would make a very good Queen, I can see her becoming just like cercei 2.0 if she ever had some real power. She has something in her character which suggests to me she would abuse power in time. Jon and sansa have 0 chemistry, I really can't understand what you're seeing. I don't class myself as a sansa hater but I'm just not inspired by her Character tbh, Plus I'm house Targaryen.
She sent Brienne away because she wanted to protect her from Littlefinger's scheming. And she was clearly concerned and worried when she saw Arya and Brienne fighting. She realized how much Arya had changed and that she was not her innocent little sister anymore. Sansa had probably the most and best character development of everyone in the story. But I notice that many people still judge her by what she did when she was a child. She's not this child anymore and it doesn't matter what she did as little kid. Lol funny I see absolutely no chemistry between Jon and Daenerys.
Feuerhexe It's going to be Dany and Jon's story in the end, it was always going to be there story, GRRM has pretty much confirmed this. I can't see sansa playing a big role in the next 6 episodes, she might become Lady of winterfall in the end if Jon dies, but that is about it. I have a lot of respect for you making a video, but it feel like it a video on what you wish will happen and not what you truly believe will happen. As for your favourite Character Daenerys :-) , we will never agree, Just remember that she is a young woman still, she has a lot of power and a lot of responsibilities from such a young age. She is going to make mistakes and I agree with you, she has made mistakes in the past. I know if I had that much power I would be making the same mistakes as her. Those mistakes are a learning process they will make her a better queen in the end. I believe that both Jon and Dany are the prince or princess that was promised. The last Targaryens. They are the Yin and Yang, man and woman. AZOR AHIA, Fire and Ice, there Journeys are almost parallel to the point that its uncanny. You say there is no chemistry, I see a lot of sexual tension between the two. We know from tyrion that Jon is in love with Dany and he can't stop looking at her. Sometimes we have our fan favourites and when our dreams for them turn out differently to what we expected, sometimes it's hard to take. You need to watch (GOT Ice and Fire Jon & Daenerys by Zurik 23m) on youtube. Its might give you a better understanding of why this is Dany and Jon's story. Maybe give us a reaction to it or tell us what you think ?.
Ugh ugh ugh and UUUgh. This is exactly what would make GoT like any other cliche fantasy story. The cliche heroes who are meant to be together to fight the cliche monsters because of cliche prophecies and then have a cliche ending. This is not what GoT has been so far and it would be the lamest shit ending ever. Been there, done that, seen it 100 times already. Luckily we all still have some time to theorize. I love theories and I love that we all can still speculate about stuff.
Daenerys will die in the end, or the story will end up being HOT GARBAGE. Everything is about her, except when she can use the people to explain why she wants power. And the fact that she says over and over and over that she will rule in the end should prove to you she won't. Jon is the song of Ice and Fire, and as GRRM stated in the beginning of the saga, the most unlikely person will win in the end. A bastard born person is the most unlikely...period.
This video is seriously warped. You attack Dany all the time, I don't even see the Daenery you're talking about. You keep making stuff up about her , she is one of the hero's not the bad ones. Jon and Dany are really good together last season. Dany will be queen in the end because she is the best character ever.
I'm not making stuff up and I don't attack, I just criticise and state my opinion with arguments, this is how people can view her character. Her fans see her in a different light of course. GRRM pointed out that he loves that people discuss whether characters are good or bad because he doesn't want to write cardboard figures. His characters are grey which is great and which makes them interesting. Personally I don't see her anywhere near the throne as I don't see her as a good ruler plus it would be the most predictable ending ever and her and Jon and completely mismatched. We all have our opinions. Thanks for commenting!
Feuerhexe Jon winning the throne is more obvious than Dany, his story is like the poor boy story who has had it hard and finds out he's a prince and is the bloodline of a king. You said Dany did bad things in Esso, this is not true. She freed the slaves and took revenge on the slave masters who killed thousands of people, lots of dead children on the road. Those slaves are free now, Dany did make mistake too, but it was not nearly as bad as what the masters did, I just don't understand why you are saying what you are.
She burnt people without any trial and without proof of their guilt, she brutally burnt all the Khals, she burns people who refuse to bend the knee, she invades other cultures and destroys them completely because they're against her world view, her first impulse it killing and burning and she needs her advisors to show her alternatives.... yet she does it all "in the name of good". Brutally burning people who are against you and your culture/beliefs is not something I want to tolerate and it certainly does not make you a good queen. I don't think she's badass or anything, I think her way of ruling and conquering is very questionable. It's my opinion. I'm still not really sure about Jon winning the throne though. On the one hand I would love to see him rule, on the other hand he would probably hate it. lol. He should drop it all and go on some long vacation, it would be better for him.
Feuerhexe You refuse to say what the slave masters were, they killed and butchered hundreds of thousands of men woman and children over centurys, are you saying slavery is a good thing ?. Are you saying it's a good life being a slave, have you not learnt anything from history ?. If you are a part of that burial regime expect the same fate. She Burnt all the khals are you completely insane ?, The khals were about to rape and kill her or am I watching a different show. I think Jon hanging Ollie was a bigger crime than anything Dany has done, because Ollie was a child and being influenced by other adults, But no jail time for Ollie or a trial, does this make Jon a bad person or a villian too ?. I think Jon would make a bad leader, he is good for the nights watch or leading a small group in a battle but he wouldn't be good to rule a country, Starks are not meant to rule they are meant to serve.
I know that Daenerys fans somehow think she can do no wrong and that she has no flaws, I had my fair share of discussions with them, so I guess we just have to agree to disagree. I know Jon is not flawless, he knows he is not flawless, and I can see and admit his mistakes yet still love him as a character. But I will never ever support a character whose instinct is burning people alive and who sees no wrong in doing this simply because she can and insists on having some birthright which is not even true. I think the fact that Jon does not want to be a leader makes him the best leader. The Starks are meant to serve? They have ruled the north for ages, as kings and wardens of the north. They are just noble and modest rulers.
Lol, u jonsa shippers are so in denial. It's all about Jon and daenerys coming together, and it's all foreshadowed in the books btw; - Daenerys ADWD: "A crown should not sit easy on the head. One of her royal forebears had said that, once. Some Aegon, but which one? Five Aegons had ruled the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. There would have been a sixth, but the Usurper’s dogs had murdered her brother’s son when he was still a babe at the breast. If he had lived, I might have married him. If you don't believe me, take a look at this interview and all will be clear: www.thisisinsider.com/game-of-thrones-alan-taylor-interview-dany-jon-love-2017-8 D: I can't have children J: Who told you that? D: The witch who murdered my husband J: Has it occurred to you she might not have been a reliable source of information. TARGARYEN RESTORATION😉
There are just as many Jonsa hints as there are J/D hints. As much as it might hurt those who claim to know everything already, but nobody knows the real endgame yet. Until then no one can tell anyone what will happen and what will not happen. It's GoT, so basically anything can happen. And people are allowed to state their theories. And like I said, if it's really about a Targaryen restoration, then I will say good bye to this story.
I didn't say she will become mad like her father. But it's kinda strange how people think that just because Cersei seems kinda crazy at the moment, nobody else can be. But I guess it'll all "good guys versus evil Cersei" now.
Dude Daenerys kinda sucks really bad now she started off cool now she's kindve a pompous prick who's really entitled I dont even really care about Jon and Daenerys vs Jon and Sansa or whatever in just don't like Daenerys any more and think Jon deserves better honestly theyre just too different
I agree, they are very different. I actually liked Daenerys in season 1, but since season 2 it became worse and worse. Her entire storyline is just "I will rule, bow to me, I'm the rightful queen, I have dragons, bow to me"
appreciate the attempted review of jon snow, and understand your exasperation, but it takes away from your assessment. Take it down a notch. Focus on Jon and all the persons and events he encounters. Without all the anger.
Difficult because last season was frustrating on so many levels with 263 logic holes, OOC moments etc etc. I'm still trying to make some sense of everything
And there was a Jonnel Stark that married his niece, Sansa Stark
YESSSS and people say that the Starks never did any incest. lol Hellooooo Sansa was supposed to marry her COUSIN Robyn Arryn, as everyone seems to have forgotten.
Ok my thoughts, please take them with a grain of salt. I dont think Danearys is a bad person per se.. She did free the Unsullied and then promptly had them join her army so they never were truly free IMO.. When Jon ask Missandei does she truly believe Danearys would let her leave and Missandei said Yes. Unfortunately, for Missandei, I agree with Jon. I dont think Danearys would let her leave, she would make an excuse up but she would want her to stay because she doesnt have many friends or allies and keeping the Unsullied around and Missandei is a constant reminder of her "goodness". Yes, I think Danearys did a great act by freeing slaves and I dont think she means wrong. However, Danearys has bad instincts.. Her first instinct is always Fire and Blood and shes been reigned in somewhat by advisors but they really cant control her anymore, very similar to the Mad King. Unfortunately, I see Dany shifting towards bad. What she did to the Tarlys was horrible. She claims she not Cersei and in the same breath said bent the knee or Die. Then she proceeds to burn two men of a great house alive by DRAGONS. Umm thats some crazy shit. Im sorry but it is. Then everyone bent the knee to her out of FEAR not love or loyalty. Danearys is an amazing Conqueror, no one can deny that but lets pose a hypothetical situation: Say Dany becomes Queen , she will be bored out of her MIND.. She doesnt know how to truly rule the people.. she would probably use her Dragons for the most minor of infractions because she enjoys burning shit. These are not the qualities or characteristics you want in a fair and just ruler. I dont hate Dany's character but I see the path that she is on and it worries me. I dont think Danearys would be a good queen, she reminds me of Robert Baratheon good at fighting but bad at ruling. Dany and Jon (imo) could NEVER be because it would always always be a power struggle and Jon would be a threat to her. Once his identity is revealed, I can only imagine what her reaction is going to be and I am guessing it wont be welcome to the family nephew. Moving on to Jon. Jon has the ability to be a Wonderful King. He is a Targ that was raised as a Northman and (dont get mad) Sansa completes him. Jon and Sansa are a set and I know everyone has their opinion on this and many hate the idea but Jon and Sansa compliment each other beautifully. They would rule so wonderfully together. Sansa knows how the game works and the politics and Jon is a military man. Both are natural leaders, Both care about the people, and both work well together. Now I dont care if its a love match, arrange marriage, or whatever. Jon and Sansa are GREAT together, period. I don't know if this will happen on the show or not but I hope it does because I know that the Kingdoms would have a peaceful reign under those two as King and Queen. Can you say the same about Jon and Dany? I think not. Whatever you make think of Jon or think of Sansa, all that training they received had a purpose and I do think they will rule together but we shall see in 2019.
Amen to everything! I agree 100%. Daenerys is not a bad person per se, I agree. But she's a huge hypocrite and at the end everything she does serves her and her quest for the throne. She freed people but these people had nowhere else to go really. She destroys structures but doesn't establish anything longterm. She's not a good ruler, she's a conquerer. She has never even done any actual ruling. She gathers people behind her for her own purpose, her actions contradict her holy savior image. She preaches she wants to help people but is actually only willing to help if it doesn't stand in her way to getting he iron throne. I do not hate her, but she is not a hero in my eyes and season 8 will bring that to a conclusion, hopefully. If she goes completely dark I would root for it 100%. Her story is so tragic, she started out as likable innocent girl but got corrupted more and more by power. Classic Tolkien narrative. She makes such an interesting antagonist and I can't wait to see it.
As for Jon and Sansa, again agree 100%. The only reasonable logical political and personal match and outcome.
If you haven't already, read A Time For Wolves, the case for Jon and Sansa by Blindspot it has no bias at all and focuses primarily on the books its just cold hard facts stated in a factual way it just goes in to depth with the foreshadowing and stuff its a good read even if you aren't a Jonsa shipper also it was written in 2012 so definitely no show bias
Yes, I read it, It's an amazing essay and makes lots of sense. There are more and more essays now that point out all the hints. I love it :)
Feuerhexe yeah I don't really see how people can just completely dismiss the Jon/Sansa thing as a crackship especially now that we know Jon's true parentage for sure
Because they are not the obvious, in your face / cliche hero pairing Jon/Daenerys.
Yeah if they really turn out to be the endgame I'll be really disappointed but I doubt it'll be the same at all in the books
D&D said their endgame will be the same as GRRM's, so that kinda gives me hope still.
I think Jon was on dragonstone for 2 or 3 months, so he and Dany must of had time to talk about stuff,. Dany even said "she had grown used to him" . I think having 7 episodes killed the time we could see them on screen, I blame D&D for this really. I agree with you about Jon Real name, it Completely sucks.
They would have had more than enough time to actually do some proper scenes. Robb and Talisa happened in like two episodes, but it was believable because they had very good scenes with very meaningful conversations about themselves, about their mentality, their philosophies etc. But I'm supposed to believe that everything important in season 7 happened off screen, it doesn't work for me.
I think it's more likely that Jon will make her a better person, and then he will die leaving her alone with a throne when all she really wanted was a family. Thats pretty central to her character in the books atleast.
Youre spot on on that the reveal of jons parentage will cause some serious upheavals, Tyrion and Varys might want to back him more. It will also cause a rift between Jon and Daenerys, probably more on Jons end because he wont want to marry his aunt.
Or, Daenerys pushes him away to make sure he marries a woman who can give him children, like sansa, only to find out she's pregnant.
There's alot of ways her arc could end but I'd be shocked if dying in childbirth is it. That would be a pretty massive disservice I think. It's more likely that she ends up alone with Jon's kid and kinda blaming herself for it but finding purpose in being a ruler only after realising she does not even want to be one.
GRRM said that the only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself. Daenerys is one of the more internally conflicted characters and I'm sure her final purpose in this story will reflect that somehow. The show can't really bring it to light as much because of no introspection, but they can show that through her actions at the end.
When it comes to Danys vision of Drogo and her child I think its for closure purposes, she says "when the sun rises in the west" basically calling it impossible before she walks away from it to find her dragons.
I absolutely don't think Jon or anyone else will manage to make her a better person. There's so much drama foreshadowing (as pointed out in the video and lots of stuff was pushed into season 8 for a reason like Jon finding out about the Tarly roast fest) plus it would be totally and utterly lame. They better go through with it and finish what they set up. I also don't think Jon will die, but I think she will. I'm not sure how yet, but lately I'm really more and more inclined to believe the Night Queen theory. All the baby talk might be a huge red herring, and it would be so utterly soap opera, but then again, if she dies, it would be just yet another Ned/Cat/Jon/Sansa parallel raising a bastard child hah.
If they truly wanted to set up a Jon/Daenerys marriage, they would have at least mentioned it in season 7, but the only one who mentioned the option was Littlefinger. But again, it would be the lamest BS ever and I don't even think she will see the end of the story alive. This is really not her destiny.
I think we're getting Targ Bowl in place of Stark Bowl. That's the familial "Bowl" we're getting. Thank goodness.
Yes I think so as well. Yes Varys might die for his betrayal, maybe? I would hate it, I really love him as character. If Daenerys really ends up burning him alive, I will riot. And yes Sansa will rule :)
I personally believe It was the right time for Jon to bend the knee to Daenerys, She did commit her forces to Fight the night king and she also lost one of her children in the process. Jon and the fellowship of the whites would all be members of the Nights kings army right now if it was not for Dany. Also Like it or not it will be Danys forces that defeat the Night king in the end, She has over 110k strong army and 2 dragons, it's her who will be sacrificing the most.
1:26 Ya. I feel the same. Aemon Targaryen, First of His Name. Not this Aegon the Sixth nonsense.
It’s funny, because Varys told Tyrion at the 31:32 mark that, “he needs to find a way to make her listen” and what does he do at the beginning of this video when he’s talking to her? Pointing her in the Jon direction. He was moving them like pawns on a chessboard. He told Jon to “get to know her”, told Dany that “Jon is in love with her”. I think he was watching Jon go into her cabin at the end of season 7 because he “brought” them both together, by moving his pieces, hoping that’ll finally get her to “listen” to reason and be the queen they all “know” her to be. But he may be in for a bigger surprise if the political Jon theory plays out 😊.
I’m sorry if my comment is all over the place. I have to get it all out before I forget what I was going to say, haha!
Wow ! Superb this may be your best vid since I subscribed . Very comprehensive and your opinions and arguments very compelling though I must admit I already felt the same way about most of S7 anyway. Have to say unless D&D are trolling us all it's sad they had these actors perform some of these scenes. Utterly ridiculous where they were taking things for no apparent reason not to mention the degree of believability the audience had to endure . It would so awesome if Jon is using some practical thinking in his own way that arc for him I'm certainly hoping for . One of my concerns for S8 is that they will fall into the same rushed storyline rut again but right now I m taking that S7 was planned as throw away get to the touching points Season to set up final season even if it meant sacrificing any valuable content or believability. Yes when do we see Jon lusting over Dany. Really cmon now it's definitely her more than him . Really enjoyed your fully complete review of S 7 Jon centric great points with intelligence and some frustration I feel your pain👍
Thank you :) I agree about season 8, I really fear that it will be even more rushed than season 7. This season needed 10 episodes, everything was rushed, not fleshed out and characters acted strangely just to reach certain plot points. I think the Winterfell plot was even worse than this one. I might do another video about that.
Feuerhexe if in fact Jonsa Happens I hope they wise up and spend enough time developing the relationship they wasted that opportunity with the wacked Sansa/Arya creepiness! With the emphasis being the Real war for S8 who knows what falls by the wayside story wise this less episode count was a big mistake for S7 fingers crossed they have a better plan for S8
Jonsa was already build up a little in season 6 and also season 7, it wouldn't be as rushed as J/D. But I'm afraid they might make it more of a political marriage. But then again, it would be yet another Ned/Cat parallel, they weren't in love either when they got married, they built it over the years. But there's definitely a certain kind of love already there. But Jon still thinks she's his sister, so he can't act on it.
Sansa/Arya really made no sense this season. Sansa was basically ready to have Arya killed, they filmed a scene where she asks Bran about what he knows, but it was deleted. It's so stupid and out of character. Bran was so underused this season as well.
They better defeat the White Walkers pretty quickly in season 8 and then it's on to the throne issue.
Feuerhexe seriously hope they make better use of the limited time and get the real war concluded and move on to a substantial end game . Yes Bran was barely present physically and emotionally and my hope their is a hint toward the Elizabeth / Tudor pairing for Jon and Sansa . Side note '. Jesus the spoilers are making the rounds already the rounds already or at least supposed leaks 😳
There are no leaks yet, the scripts haven't even been sent to anyone yet. It's just fan fiction.
You have every right to your opinion, and I know better than to even try to talk you out of it. But I have been where you are. I know what it feels like to fall in love with an onscreen couple, to pour huge amounts of time and energy into thinking about them, dreaming about how great their story could be, feeling immense hatred for the romantic rival - only to get your heart broken in the end. That's how I know I shouldn't even bother to try and convince you Jonsa won't happen. Nothing but the show itself can ever convince you of that.
But I strongly advise you to do anything you can to lessen your emotional attachment to this show and to Jonsa. Develop any other interests you can, watch other shows, whatever. Life is precious, and it's really not worth getting your heart broken over fictional characters on a TV show. Trust me, I know.
fyreflye100 That's right , only the show / the author can show us what will happen or not happen. None of us know the endgame yet, so until then we can say what we hope / think will happen. And even if something does not become canon, I can still ship/love it.
And I'm watching other shows as well, so no worries ;)
Jonas or no Jonsa, jonerys by itself makes no sense. I can deal with no Jonsa, if we didn't have this farce of a love story instead. Just focus on saving Westeros. That's what made the show special to me anyway, that it was epic without needing to be a soap opera.
And for someone who says she isn't going to lecture her about her investment in Jonsa, you were just looking for a way to do that while pretending you weren't going to. This whole post has you doing just THAT.
Of course you can. I'm not saying don't make predictions. I'm saying don't make the same mistake I made and invest too many emotions in the fate of fictional characters. Not when their fate is completely out of your hands. It's not worth it. My advice is to get some emotional distance, just in case the story doesn't turn out the way you hope. Because I've been there and done that and it's extremely not fun. But thanks for the reply and take care.
We all have our theories, wishes and predictions. I think as a GoT fan everyone does and it's one of the many fun things about this show. I love watching theories as much as developing them. Which show gave you such an emotional trauma if I may ask? ;)
Yes, right now GoT is like any other fantasy story really. The whole season, including the J/D plot, was very fantasy and predictable tbh. And if J/D is really supposed to be this epic love story, it was incredibly badly written and acted.
To be honest, after season 7 my faith altogether in D&D has gotten extremely low, so I try not to get into season 8 too optimistic. But it's a relief that at least their endgame is supposed to be the same as GRRM's.
I hate Jon and Dany together. I never wanted that to happen!
This has been the best review video for the season I've seen. I love how you use different scenes and I also like how you listed what you didn't like and why. I have to say that this definitely was a disappointing season. Hopefully next season will be good, even though I feel that the decrease in episodes has hurt the show.
Thank you! :) Yes, I wanted to do this a little more detailed and structured this time. It was lots of fun. Yes, not just the Jon plot was very disappointing, the Winterfell plot was a complete mess and other things as well. I might do another video about that, especially Winterfell. I agree, this season needed 10 episodes like the other seasons. It's not doing the storytelling any good.
Please mention all the character meetings/reunions that served no purpose other than to wow the fans. A lot if them were pointless to me.
Like Gendry most of all. They brought him back for what exactly? I thought he would be super meaningful forging dragonglass weapons etc. But no he was just brought back to run a marathon to Eastwatch.
Also can't wait for that next video ;)
Melisandre told Varys he'd die, so maybe Dany will kill him.
Awesome video! I'm hoping that Season 8 is able to stick the landing but with only 6 episodes left I am worried that they are going to rush everything to get to the end.
I am worried as well and try not to be too optimistic. Season 7 has given me a huge blow and I lost faith in D&D, sadly. Season 8 might be just as rushed as this season.
Omg feuerhexe good to see you back, but idk what to think of this video. I agree with you it was not the best season, I found it frustrating at times, big plot holes. But do you think that your dream of Seeing Sansa and Jon together is distorting your enjoyment of the show and shaping your Prediction of the ending ? . I know there is a lot of Jon and sansa fan fiction around but it looks like GRRM was never going to make them an item. I'm convinced your love for Sansa is making you hate Dany even more, because she is Jon's love rival in your eyes.
I had a dislike for Daenerys long before I started liking tihe idea of Jon/Sansa and I tried to make my reasons clear in this video. I know many people think Jonsa fans don't like Daenerys because they see her as rival, but that is not true.
Great analysis ! Thanks!
Havent watched this yet but i saw it on Twitter I think, either that or Tumblr, and judging from these comments I'm gonna like it lol
Hope you liked it lol
Feuerhexe don't worry I did ;) very good video.
Thanks, I really wanna do a video with all the Jon/Sansa hints. I'm gonna work on that :)
It's good to see someone who has a balanced opinion of GOT and doesn't blindly hate Danys character for shipping reasons. Sometimes I wonder if Sansa fans are watching the same show as me. Isn't it about time Dany and Sansa fans stopped ripping into each others characters ?.
I don't get why people think the only reason to dislike Dany is because of shipping. There are many people who simply don't agree with her methods and her personality, how she developed during the last seasons. But that doesn't mean she's hated. I think it makes her interesting. She's a grey character and seeing her as antagonist makes her soooo much more interesting. But there are actually many people who love both her and Sansa because they're quite similar in some ways and have been through similar stuff.
Feuerhexe Yes there are some people who like both Sansa and Dany, yes both have a similar past experience , but Sansa and Dany are two completely different people. Sansa sat on her arse in kingslanding doing nothing for herself, while Dany started off with nothing and has changed the lives of thousands of people in Esso and gets stronger every season. Personally I don't think Its just a coincidence that the anti Dany argument started at about the same time the Jonsa fan theory became popular over 2 years ago. Some of the things you say in this video are just so biased, like suggesting it was Danys fault for bringing down the wall, Are you serious ?. Its was tyrions stupid plan to go north of the wall, Dany didn't even want jon to go north of the wall, she was deeply sceptical until Jon persuaded her with that ridiculous speech of his. Dany only went North of the wall to save jon and his merry group of men from death. Jonsa fans would of been the first ones to of criticised Dany if she would of left Jon and the others to die, Instead you blame everything on Dany when tyrion and Jon had a bigger role to play in the walls collapse. I noticed how you left out tyrion and Jons involvement in decisions making process of bringing down the wall.
Feuerhexe You say making Dany a villain would make her more interesting, I wholeheartedly disagree, I love Dany the way she is thank you very much. I think making Sansa stark a villain would be the best thing ever for her storyline. Sansa plot has just drifted season after season with no real direction or vision and many of the people that I know say Sansa stark is just plain old boring. Dany has always been kind of heart, she doesn't show any sociopathic tendencies in either the show or the books. Has Dany made mistake, yes she has, But Sansa stark has made some horrific mistakes which have resulted in her father's death and the death of her dire wolf lady, FACT. Dany has the responsibility of real power during a time of conflict with the masters. She is a 16 years old queen and you expect her to be flawless and perfect at such a young age ?. I find this video bitterly biased and doesn't represent the Daenery character that Grrm has written. You say Dany is a grey character, I agree. But she has never been an antagonist, she's a true hero for saving the slaves in Esso, Dany wouldn't of had any growth if she didn't have any challenges in Esso, that was the whole purpose of her story ack, to make mistakes and grow for when she takes her place as queen of the 7 kingdoms.
I'm only speaking from my POV, I understand that Dany fans disagree. I know people still blame Sansa for being a naive 11 year old girl when she was 11, blame her for Ned's death etc. etc. They pretty much blame her for everything back then because she was a child in a hostile environment. Ned got himself killed because he was too honorable in the wrong environment. It backfired. But people rather blame Sansa, a child, for this. And yes Sansa doesn't fight with weapons, she doesn't wield swords, she doesn't have dragons or anything like that, so that makes her plain and boring. But in fact Sansa had the best arc, kept her humanity and kindness despite everything that happened to her, survived all the way through without wielding swords and came into her own as responsible leader who got her home back and does anything to protect her family because she learnt that family is what truly matters. I see no logic in making a last minute villain for no reason. Dany turning antagonist has been teased for several seasons now, she was a hero to many people in Essos, but to Westeros she's an antagonist. It was quite obvious last season when she had to force people into bending the knee by using her dragon. I think her thirst for power has corrupted her more and more and it's quite tragic. But that's what makes her so interesting. She's no villain, but she's no hero either.
They were beyond the Wall because Dany insisted on a ceasefire Cersei. So they had to capture a wight. They were beyond the Wall because that was Dany's condition for support. The entire mission was stupid, and yes Tyrion came up with the plan, but she agreed to it because she was more worried about Cersei taking back whatever few territories Dany conquered so far. What was Jon supposed to do? That was Dany's condition, so he had to go beyond the Wall again. And then the plan failed, and the least Dany could do was save them from the mess she put them in.
Sansa and Dany are both strong characters, each in their very own way.
You can accuse me of being biased and say anyone who criticises saint Dany is just a biased Jonsa shipper, but that argument doesn't work anymore with me, frankly. There are many people who criticise her and who are not Jonsa shippers. I simply cannot root for someone who burns people alive en masse, conquers one place after another without establishing anything remotely working as proper substitute and who's slowly drifting into antagonist territory because her obsession with a metal chair makes her blind to reality. Season 8 hopefully brings her arc to a logical conclusion.
As for Targ bowl LOL, it just not happening at all. We have 6 episodes left, how can we turned Jon and Dany into enemys with such little time, plus we have The night king and cercei to deal with.
I am kind of worried that they will do the boring, predictable outcome as it's now basically the old cliche "good versus evil" story. But I still hope for the opposite.
I think it could very well happen and be used to turn Dany into a Nissa Nissa of sorts, Jon kills Dany and then Longclaw just catches fire, imagine how fucking awesome that would be
I agree Godspeed, that could happen. It would be pretty epic actually if Jon is the one who kills her lol
They were turned into love in "little time ". Lmao. Besides, her finding he can get the throne instead of her? They don't need much time to make her turn on him!
Godspeed More of chance that Dany is Azor ahia than Jon, she fit the prophecy perfectly Jon does not. She is fire the night king Ice.
I believe Sansa will rule the Iron Throne.
Wwwaaaah clicked so fast
Oh yeah the only thing that makes sense is the undercover lover thing otherwise it was just terrible writing
I love that theory so much, even though I still think it makes way too much sense for D&D lol. Unless of course this is what GRRM had in mind anyway. Seriously at the moment ANYTHING would better than the cliche and horribly written BS they seem to show us.
Feuerhexe for real its turning into a typical Hollywood affair with all the classic tropes now, this season was so predictable and the whole rushed ass Jon and Daenaerys dynamic played out like a bad fanfiction
I couldn't agree more.
As a Sansa and Jon fan, I can say that what I saw between them was nothing more than an older sibling protective and respective of another sibling, nothing between them emotionally matched the boat scene, not even when Jon handed the North to Sansa and his leaving.
I do think that the cousins could wind up ruling Westeros, Jon in the South and Sansa the North, not saying they won't marry ( it's GRRM story ) it; will not be one that either would want.
I think only two people be right for Sansa and one isn't in show, that's Ned Dayne, the other Podrick Payne ( he's lower born and could take the Stark name. ).
Well, on Game of Thrones nobody marries for love anyway. And if you do, that doesn't end well (see Robb). However, it could be just another Ned/Cat parallel, they didn't marry for love either, they built their love over the years. The same could happen with Jon/Sansa, I think. Their match would make lots of sense politically, in my opinion.
And even their sibling relationship conveys way more emotions than Jon/Daenerys, imo. Most of all the stiff boat scene, there were absolutely no emotions and it was super unearned.
Thanks for the comment :)
I'm never been the biggest fan of Sansa's to be honest, I don't think She has developed that much from season 1, she can still be an annoying and petulant little girl sometimes. Like the way she treated Breanna in episode 6 or the way she keeps interupting Jon in open court in the 1st two episodes or the way she walked off when she saw Breanna and Arya bonding. Even the way she treated Jon growing up was nasty, she was just like her Mother towards Jon. I also don't think sansa would make a very good Queen, I can see her becoming just like cercei 2.0 if she ever had some real power. She has something in her character which suggests to me she would abuse power in time. Jon and sansa have 0 chemistry, I really can't understand what you're seeing. I don't class myself as a sansa hater but I'm just not inspired by her Character tbh, Plus I'm house Targaryen.
She sent Brienne away because she wanted to protect her from Littlefinger's scheming. And she was clearly concerned and worried when she saw Arya and Brienne fighting. She realized how much Arya had changed and that she was not her innocent little sister anymore. Sansa had probably the most and best character development of everyone in the story. But I notice that many people still judge her by what she did when she was a child. She's not this child anymore and it doesn't matter what she did as little kid.
Lol funny I see absolutely no chemistry between Jon and Daenerys.
Feuerhexe It's going to be Dany and Jon's story in the end, it was always going to be there story, GRRM has pretty much confirmed this. I can't see sansa playing a big role in the next 6 episodes, she might become Lady of winterfall in the end if Jon dies, but that is about it. I have a lot of respect for you making a video, but it feel like it a video on what you wish will happen and not what you truly believe will happen. As for your favourite Character Daenerys :-) , we will never agree, Just remember that she is a young woman still, she has a lot of power and a lot of responsibilities from such a young age. She is going to make mistakes and I agree with you, she has made mistakes in the past. I know if I had that much power I would be making the same mistakes as her. Those mistakes are a learning process they will make her a better queen in the end.
I believe that both Jon and Dany are the prince or princess that was promised. The last Targaryens. They are the Yin and Yang, man and woman. AZOR AHIA, Fire and Ice, there Journeys are almost parallel to the point that its uncanny. You say there is no chemistry, I see a lot of sexual tension between the two. We know from tyrion that Jon is in love with Dany and he can't stop looking at her. Sometimes we have our fan favourites and when our dreams for them turn out differently to what we expected, sometimes it's hard to take. You need to watch (GOT Ice and Fire Jon & Daenerys by Zurik 23m) on youtube. Its might give you a better understanding of why this is Dany and Jon's story. Maybe give us a reaction to it or tell us what you think ?.
Ugh ugh ugh and UUUgh. This is exactly what would make GoT like any other cliche fantasy story. The cliche heroes who are meant to be together to fight the cliche monsters because of cliche prophecies and then have a cliche ending. This is not what GoT has been so far and it would be the lamest shit ending ever. Been there, done that, seen it 100 times already. Luckily we all still have some time to theorize. I love theories and I love that we all can still speculate about stuff.
... well she was just trying to safe his life.. she's scared that she will loose him too ._.
Daenerys will die in the end, or the story will end up being HOT GARBAGE. Everything is about her, except when she can use the people to explain why she wants power. And the fact that she says over and over and over that she will rule in the end should prove to you she won't.
Jon is the song of Ice and Fire, and as GRRM stated in the beginning of the saga, the most unlikely person will win in the end. A bastard born person is the most unlikely...period.
This video is seriously warped. You attack Dany all the time, I don't even see the Daenery you're talking about. You keep making stuff up about her , she is one of the hero's not the bad ones. Jon and Dany are really good together last season. Dany will be queen in the end because she is the best character ever.
I'm not making stuff up and I don't attack, I just criticise and state my opinion with arguments, this is how people can view her character. Her fans see her in a different light of course. GRRM pointed out that he loves that people discuss whether characters are good or bad because he doesn't want to write cardboard figures. His characters are grey which is great and which makes them interesting. Personally I don't see her anywhere near the throne as I don't see her as a good ruler plus it would be the most predictable ending ever and her and Jon and completely mismatched. We all have our opinions. Thanks for commenting!
Feuerhexe Jon winning the throne is more obvious than Dany, his story is like the poor boy story who has had it hard and finds out he's a prince and is the bloodline of a king. You said Dany did bad things in Esso, this is not true. She freed the slaves and took revenge on the slave masters who killed thousands of people, lots of dead children on the road. Those slaves are free now, Dany did make mistake too, but it was not nearly as bad as what the masters did, I just don't understand why you are saying what you are.
She burnt people without any trial and without proof of their guilt, she brutally burnt all the Khals, she burns people who refuse to bend the knee, she invades other cultures and destroys them completely because they're against her world view, her first impulse it killing and burning and she needs her advisors to show her alternatives.... yet she does it all "in the name of good". Brutally burning people who are against you and your culture/beliefs is not something I want to tolerate and it certainly does not make you a good queen. I don't think she's badass or anything, I think her way of ruling and conquering is very questionable. It's my opinion. I'm still not really sure about Jon winning the throne though. On the one hand I would love to see him rule, on the other hand he would probably hate it. lol. He should drop it all and go on some long vacation, it would be better for him.
Feuerhexe You refuse to say what the slave masters were, they killed and butchered hundreds of thousands of men woman and children over centurys, are you saying slavery is a good thing ?. Are you saying it's a good life being a slave, have you not learnt anything from history ?. If you are a part of that burial regime expect the same fate. She Burnt all the khals are you completely insane ?, The khals were about to rape and kill her or am I watching a different show. I think Jon hanging Ollie was a bigger crime than anything Dany has done, because Ollie was a child and being influenced by other adults, But no jail time for Ollie or a trial, does this make Jon a bad person or a villian too ?. I think Jon would make a bad leader, he is good for the nights watch or leading a small group in a battle but he wouldn't be good to rule a country, Starks are not meant to rule they are meant to serve.
I know that Daenerys fans somehow think she can do no wrong and that she has no flaws, I had my fair share of discussions with them, so I guess we just have to agree to disagree. I know Jon is not flawless, he knows he is not flawless, and I can see and admit his mistakes yet still love him as a character. But I will never ever support a character whose instinct is burning people alive and who sees no wrong in doing this simply because she can and insists on having some birthright which is not even true. I think the fact that Jon does not want to be a leader makes him the best leader.
The Starks are meant to serve? They have ruled the north for ages, as kings and wardens of the north. They are just noble and modest rulers.
Lol, u jonsa shippers are so in denial. It's all about Jon and daenerys coming together, and it's all foreshadowed in the books btw;
- Daenerys ADWD: "A crown should not sit easy on the head. One of her royal forebears had said that, once. Some Aegon, but which one? Five Aegons had ruled the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros.
There would have been a sixth, but the Usurper’s dogs had murdered her brother’s son when he was still a babe at the breast. If he had lived, I might have married him. If you don't believe me, take a look at this interview and all will be clear: www.thisisinsider.com/game-of-thrones-alan-taylor-interview-dany-jon-love-2017-8
D: I can't have children
J: Who told you that?
D: The witch who murdered my husband
J: Has it occurred to you she might not have been a reliable source of information.
TARGARYEN RESTORATION😉
And daenerys will not become mad like his father Aerys, cersei is the mad queen
There are just as many Jonsa hints as there are J/D hints. As much as it might hurt those who claim to know everything already, but nobody knows the real endgame yet. Until then no one can tell anyone what will happen and what will not happen. It's GoT, so basically anything can happen. And people are allowed to state their theories.
And like I said, if it's really about a Targaryen restoration, then I will say good bye to this story.
I didn't say she will become mad like her father. But it's kinda strange how people think that just because Cersei seems kinda crazy at the moment, nobody else can be. But I guess it'll all "good guys versus evil Cersei" now.
Dude Daenerys kinda sucks really bad now she started off cool now she's kindve a pompous prick who's really entitled I dont even really care about Jon and Daenerys vs Jon and Sansa or whatever in just don't like Daenerys any more and think Jon deserves better honestly theyre just too different
I agree, they are very different. I actually liked Daenerys in season 1, but since season 2 it became worse and worse. Her entire storyline is just "I will rule, bow to me, I'm the rightful queen, I have dragons, bow to me"
appreciate the attempted review of jon snow, and understand your exasperation, but it takes away from your assessment. Take it down a notch. Focus on Jon and all the persons and events he encounters. Without all the anger.
Difficult because last season was frustrating on so many levels with 263 logic holes, OOC moments etc etc. I'm still trying to make some sense of everything
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Oh wow thanks :)