Charcuterie Determines T2 Hide Drops In Pax Dei: The Surprising Connection (Debunked)
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Are you struggling to get Tier 2 hides in pax dei, find out today how Charcuterie actually affects how much hide you get in pax dei.
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The information in this video is OUTDATED AFFFFF
Level 34 Charcuterie. Can confirm I do not get more gold drops.
thank you for the information the charcuterie defo helped with the dropp rates we got one player to 27 kept killing the same 15(growlers) + 10-15 (wolves) in a cave and noticed a massive deffence just by letting the main charcuterie Player to do all the looting. we also got the occassional teir 2 hide from the wolves after level 27 (from wolves)
We have farmed several hundred large hides as a group. People with no Charcuterie skill to level 34 Charcuterie. The drop rate has run from 20 percent to 50 percent, averaging 30 percent overall, with NO perceptible effect from Charcuterie skill. I would suggest that you gather a MUCH larger sample size.
another Demone vid farming views with misinformation, wild
While I do enjoy your videos, this is not enough of a sample size to be accurate
I have had a dev response that IF this is true it's a bug and it should NOT affect drop rates.
It’s new world all over again with this type of misinformation videos
Its a solid 20% chance drop - disregarding ANY skill. Devs confirmed it on Discord. Thats massive BS here in the video.
lvl 27charc. my drops are like 20 percent. i don't believe this. its a rumor. has to be
This is bullshit.irs not connected. It has nothing to do with your skill level.
So this doesn't work. Something's gotta give with the tier 2 hides though. Once you get past generic leather, the grind becomes such an insufferably punishing slog it's going to drive off players. Most people don't have 10+ hours per day to put into a freaking video game and that's what it takes to get anywhere with tier 2 leather...
My friends charcuterie is close to 30 whilst mine is only 5 and yet i get way more drops than he does. So personally I don't think its tied to the skill line (used to be the case in alpha tho but not anymore).
the Community Devs have an official response in the Pax Dei discord.
"Hello, Charcuterie doesn't affect the T2 hide drop rate. If it does, it's a bug. if anyone has proof of that, they should send a bug report using F8 in-game"
so Charcuterie does NOT affect this in any way.
This isn't outlandish at all. Ultima Online had hidden cross skill bonuses as well. These will give value to players in exchange for working on the skills they might not normally pursue, especially if they just want a combat centric play style.
It used to be linked to leatherworking in the alpha tests but this was removed, we have been testing the t2 drops now I dont think its linked to the charcuterie skill but more that they adjusted the drops on bears etc and today I am now getting T2 large hides (orange) I killed 27 bears in the last hour, and it dropped 12 t2 large hides. I think the increase is unrelated. I have 0 charcuterie.
I think it's just RNG. My mining is capped at 41 and I saw zero difference in what I got from nodes. Having to have a charcuterie level of almost 30 to get animal hide is kind of ridiculous. I could go through the wolf cave and clear it twice and get 2 or 3 stacks of animal hide. It's just the poor loot table on the mobs that the devs need to adjust.
This is interesting, and could be a very cool addition to the game as "feedback". But currently this lack testing and comments from devs. Keep up the work, but be a little carefull posting stuff as proof and clickbait. Unless you are fine with backlash if this turns out to just be a base increase in drop rates.
Pax dei is a slow game, so people are likely going to spend hours grinding something that could turn out to be worthless. That anger could fall back at you, even though people should judge content for themselves.
A little extra context. I have seen things get added or changed without being listed in the patch notes. So they can easily stealth update drop rates in the middle of testing. (And its hard to revert levels, other than testing on alts) So im not trying to blame you here ^^
Lesson learned -- don't get rid of anything. Hmmm then there are the trips where you are out collecting a needed resource but ohhhh looky there I just have to grab some of that, then inventory is full and you didn't collect near enough of what you purposely went out to collect. I just love this game!
To determine whether the difference in drop rates you observed is statistically significant or just due to luck, we can perform a hypothesis test. Given your data, a chi-square test for independence would be appropriate. This test will help us understand if there's a significant association between the charcutier skill level and the drop rates of tier 2 hide.
Here's a summary of your data:
- **Charcutier Level 1:**
- Bears killed: 199
- Tier 2 hide drops: 58
- **Charcutier Level 28:**
- Bears killed: 128
- Tier 2 hide drops: 60
First, let's calculate the drop rates for each level:
- Drop rate at Level 1: \( \frac{58}{199} \)
- Drop rate at Level 28: \( \frac{60}{128} \)
Next, we'll set up our contingency table and perform the chi-square test. Let's do these calculations.
### Calculations
1. **Observed Frequencies:**
- Charcutier Level 1: 58 hides, 141 no hides (199 - 58)
- Charcutier Level 28: 60 hides, 68 no hides (128 - 60)
2. **Contingency Table:**
| | Hides | No Hides | Total |
|---------------------|-------|----------|-------|
| Charcutier Level 1 | 58 | 141 | 199 |
| Charcutier Level 28 | 60 | 68 | 128 |
| **Total** | 118 | 209 | 327 |
3. **Expected Frequencies:**
The expected frequency for each cell in the contingency table is calculated as:
\[ E = \frac{(row \ total \times column \ total)}{grand \ total} \]
4. **Chi-Square Test:**
\[ \chi^2 = \sum \frac{(O - E)^2}{E} \]
Where \( O \) is the observed frequency and \( E \) is the expected frequency.
Let's perform these calculations.
The chi-square test results are as follows:
- **Chi-square statistic (\( \chi^2 \))**: 9.86
- **P-value**: 0.00169
- **Degrees of freedom (dof)**: 1
- **Expected frequencies**:
- Charcutier Level 1: 71.81 hides, 127.19 no hides
- Charcutier Level 28: 46.19 hides, 81.81 no hides
### Interpretation
The p-value of 0.00169 is much lower than the common significance level of 0.05. This indicates that there is a statistically significant difference in the drop rates of tier 2 hide between Charcutier Level 1 and Charcutier Level 28. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that the observed difference is due to chance.
Based on this analysis, it seems that the charcutier skill level does affect the drop rates of tier 2 hide.
This doesn't take into consideration the new changes to the drop rates after mobs with 0 drops were fixed
@@britishsandboxer this was done on black bears not brown bears. Only brown bears were updated according to the patch notes. Sure, they could have updated the drop rates across the board, but I don’t know when Demone did these drop rate tests. I’m just adding up the data and doing the math.
If you want to know the percent chance that these numbers are incorrect, it is 0.169%. Just plug solve for p.
If I was programming this bears would have two tags type bear quality black brown ect.. this would allow you to make changes across type or to specific bears
i have my miing maxed to 41, and i seem to only get 1 piece of iron per hit a lot of times i wonder if my bs, armor, and weaponsmithing skills affect that now
This reminds me of Mortal Online 2's Butchering skill. Very good info as usual. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
I have 1 Charcuterie, and between the 2 bears i killed yesterday, i got 4 T2 Hides
Clan mates been doing it all day. He’s 31 char. He was only getting about 40%. Don’t know if this is accurate but good for you.
Total rng unless we get confirmation from devs. Heard this was rumored with leatherworking
Confirmed with Chi-Square Test. This is fact.
You're hilarious! My friends charcuterie is over level 30 and hides are just as RNG as anyone else's
@@sirbam4435 if you're going to argue and call me hilarious for putting the actual stats. Have better proof than saying your friend.
Literally probability of being wrong is mathematically 0.169%. This isn't a joke
Yeah dem is clueless hes videos are vague and his game play is a bit on a unskilled level so not sure why he is number 1 for pax dei content on UA-cam
Have you tried doing this in a group? I'm curious if it's a function of average score when killing it, the skill of the person who gets the killing blow, or the charcuterie level of the person processing it?
I noticed a big change in leather drops when i started to level leather working.
This is comically untested and has absolutely no basis in reality.
If this for some ridiculous reason is true, no way it's intended unless the devs are illiterate. Charcuterie has zero to do with meat before preparation and presentation. Just dumb.
this guy is wrong about so many things actually if you watch his dungeon run he doesn't even know how to play the game he gets carried
Confirmed with Chi-Square Test. This is fact.
And also depending on the area you're in will also determine what you get for drops and how often.
It makes since for meats but what is or was your letherworking skill?
In the future tracking number of hides per drop for ROUGH hide as well may help to give a more statistically significant picture of how charc impacts hide drops.
Thank you, Demone
You need your cook!! I just follow along and loot.
love your content my dude thanks very much
wait ppl use there alts in pax?
Thank you very much for your videos, informative and to the point, by far the best pax dei info on youtube greetings from Germany
You are welcome!
Makes sense. Charcuterie basically means sliced meat. The French definition of the word is basically cooked flesh. So preparing meat would probably make sense to impact in the field preparation after a kill
Not even close. Charcuterie is a culinary prep of meat for presentation and consumption. Unrelated to skinning. But ok.
i have a feeling that the math is wrong for the /hour, just because you drop rate went up by 28.5%, but your /hour doubled. that is also hard to test because you need the exact same conditions while killing the bears. so the only relevant increase is the total T2 hide drops / bear kills
Math on hourly rate does not matter. Confirmed with Chi-Square Test. This is fact.
I can get over a 100 in 2 hours, but that secret dies with me
i get 200
Thank You Demone Kim, been here since New World glad you put out a new vid. Definitely going to lvl Charcuterie.
For what it's not true I'm 33 char and I'm getting less now than when I was zero char it's all percentage rng
So you think there is ***no*** incremental increase? There's a single breaking point at lvl 28 where the number of hides per drop increases drastically?
I don't believe this is true. Some skills have hard points when you see dramatic increases. I believe this is what he was talking about. Example, woodcutting and heartwood at around lv 15 you see a more abundance.
@@Allisteras "I don't believe this is true." What don't you believe is true? Your following statement seems to indicate you believe *incremental* increase is unlikely, as I asked.
@@DaLulz I believe incremental is true, but you’ll probably see a big jump at some point.
Is charcuterie the only difference in skills between the two accounts you used to test this? If not I don't see how you can possibly isolate charc as the cause.
I used the same account. and yes the only difference was the charcuterie, I have no leatherworking, axe skill was level 41 in both tests, everything else was the same except charc
@@DemoneKim Sounds rigorous to me! Time for you to powerlevel (only) leatherworking and see if that *also* has an impact!
This makes since to me and I enjoy the fact the devs put this in the game. It makes crafting mechanics more important and tied to your hunting. Once again, great “scientific” research, keep them coming guys!
Just checking but no more Wuthering Waves content?
I like Pax Dei but it needs more contents in game for players to engage.
Pax Dei is very time consuming game with low rng drop rate, so no life players will own everything; because more time you have means that you can farm more and eventually gear up faster.
As a no life player I sorta agree somewhat. it is a group game unless you are content RP'ing a year long cabin build. It is a social game, and almost all game loops require people to play together. My group is about 8 or so regulars with 3 full time no lifers. We have an entire mountain side keep and gearing to go in to dungeons this weekend. we would have been diving them earlier but the structural build has required some amount of materials
Wrong its purely luck based when i posted on your video about t2 hide saying you can get full slot capped in a cave as apposed to farming bears since then my charcuterie went up but my t2 hide acquisition went down the last farm i did i got 15 t2 skins per 150 wolfs killed
Confirmed with Chi-Square Test. This is fact.