Greg trained Verne. He told Verne, "Verne you need to open your own promotion in Minneapolis. I know with you at the helm it'll be a success. You should call it the American Wrestling Association. Verne did and the rest is history."
Greg Gagne is one of my favourites in regards to wrestling interviews. In my opinion he's more entertaining and credible than others out there. Thank you Title match Wrestling for this complete interview.
Thanks for posting the entire video. I've been wanting to see the whole thing for a long time. I grew up in the 70s watching AWA wrestling. Gagne's promotion was by far the best era of wrestling ever. I can't watch today's wrestling, I gave up on it years ago, its just garbage. 70's and 80s Territory wrestling was the best!
"Mick Jagger said I'm gonna leave the Rolling Stones, but then me n my dad, good friends with Keith Richards, said hey don't do that. We'll put this concert together and it'll be great. Hulk Hogan, Dana White, and Rob Zombie will show up, and that's how Woodstock happened."
People bash Greg (most deserved)...but a lot of greats say he had great psychology and timing, can take a bump. Had he stayed a trainer and an agent, out of the ring and the booking room he would have a better reputation.
What's this? No respect for Dick Weber,Don Carter, Carmen Salvino,Dick Ritger,Earl Anthony, Mark Roth,and Marshal Holman? LOL. The only man to wrestle professionally and bowl a 300 game: Of course Mr. Perfect!
@@curthennig9448 Wrestling was my first and true love, but there was competition on a Saturday morning! I dug 1960's bowling. My favorite was Dave Davis , But in that era, no one could touch Earl Anthony and his Sargent Carter hair-do. I was perplexed that the bowling lanes that I went to did not have bleacher seats like the lanes on t.v. I also enjoyed Roller Derby. My favorite was skinny Minnie with the L.A. Thunderbirds, who were the baby faces to the heelish bay city Bombers. I never could understand the rules. I am not sure if there truly were any. Just two teams spinning in circles for an hour taking turns delivering elbow smashes. At the end of an hour the announcer would give a score, which I suspect was predetermined just like wrestling.
That's pretty cool he mentioned the small nothing town of Moline,IL. I currently live here, and have lived here off n on my whole life.. That Mean Gene Interview would be a Good Interview to post.. And that Video Company he was trying too think of could it have been Coliseum Video Possibly.? Thanks for this interview...
@@johnramsey5551 im very familiar with the locations mentioned, two Davenport locations and two Moline locations.. Thanks for your response conforming this..
Lol funny how he cant remember his idea about the challenge series when he admitted it was his idea in the documentary, but has a great memory on all the good ideas he allegedly came up with lmao. 😂
It was me n Jim against the Rock and Jim Londos n nobody ever saw anything in them but my dad said "this kid Londos has something special" and the Rock was already extablished so dad, Tony Khan, and Jack Curley got together and created StarrCade.
Sorry Greg you didn't call Rick. You didn't even have his number. Patera brought Flair into the camp after the 72 Olympics. Patera and Flair had been living together for awhile back in 1971 and remained close friends.
What a great interview, wether you believe him or not I think it's he perfect wrestler shoot interview, if he didn't put himself over it wouldn't be legit and true. Nobody wants to hear diplomats talking and being nice, we love the honky tonks and Bundy, Cornette, etc far more enjoyable when we get a different version of events and another opinion from a new perspective. ❤
Na na na na na na na na na! Na na na na na na na na na na! Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na!….. Well I'm no angel, now, I'll admit I made a few bad moves….. hold on I started singing Eddie Money 🎶 🎸 😂
Do u see the pattern where Greg lies and says they had the idea of Hulk Hogan vs Andre before Vince and that they were going to have wrestling on CBS before Vince did it with NBC?
I love how everyone gets on Greg for stretching the stories he believes to be true, everyone always fails to consider how people all see a different reality, everyone.....take 100 people and make them all experience the same holiday, every single person will have his version of what the holiday was like, good or bad, great food, bad food. Great bed crap bed, even every conversation that takes place... You make sure they all get exactly the same experience and ask them questions afterwards and every single person will have a different version of events, that's just the way we are, it cannot be helped. What you do get from Greg is a sincere appearance, no hesitation, this is really the way he remembers it to be, don't forget his dad would've had his version too which was largely a part of Greg's upbringing so he would've gotten much of his opinion from what his dad had told him and what he saw through the eyes of a naive young man who was being kayfabed by many guys and played with because of the mistrust due to his dad... I appreciate Greg's version, it gives another side of a coin that isn't just the same as what others say..most of which is second hand information whiles Greg's stories are at least his own experience and side of it. ❤
So is that really how the Rockers started???🤣🤣 dude Greg wtf is wrong with you lol. They had already met and teamed on several occasions in mid states territory for Bob Geigal and Race
Greg seems like a nice guy, but his great big idea for WCW… that AWA vs NWA angle… woulda absolutely been the shits. By the time Hogan got to WCW, AWA and NWA were completely passé, and were dead brands. I was a huge wrestling fan when I was a kid. Couldn’t get enough of it. I remember when AWA was syndicated on ESPN. As a kid who watched WCW & WWF, AWA was soooo boring. I really wanted to like it, but I just never could get into it. Maybe I woulda liked it better if I was older. But to a 7-10 yr old kid, it was very antiquated. Almost like having a kid these days try to watch an old black & white movie or tv show. There’s just too much of an age gap production-wise, for a kid to get emotionally invested in it. And then his other “ace in the hole” idea about that Russia vs USA angle, was so played out by the time he pitched that idea. I have a certain level of respect for Greg, just for his lineage and pedigree. But he never struck me as having any game changing ideas, behind the scenes.
People like to bash Greg as if he is as bad as George Gulas or Mike von Erich. I watched Greg all the time in the 1980's and contrary to what people say he was actually very good in the ring. He had good timing and was very smooth on the ring. His biggest draw back was he was tall and skinny and was probably the only one that was on the gas back then. There are a ton of matches on UA-cam,if you watch some without a bias against him you'll see ha was actually pretty good. He gets a bad rap because who his father was
Greg “John Lennon was at the St Paul Civic Center on 12/7/81. He was so happy Verne retired as champ. Verne and I told him to get the Beatles back together at the arena in St Paul after a come out of retirement match with Verne winning the title back. Then he was shot so the deal was done!”
I remember watching AWA back then and thinking that 'Greg Gagne" was pure faker. That should have been his gimmick, instead of being a little talent son of the owner. LOL
Great interview and there's something genuine w Greg too...tu for listing the year it took place...what is it w calling Alzheimer's...All Timers!!!! Pronounce the Z dopes..lol
This guy gives a great interview. But Feinstein is just so damn nervous he can barely register Gagnes answers. No answer ever gets developed upon because of this
"the movie did really well around the country except the distribution didn't let anyone see it. Jim Barnett was such a powerful guy but no one knew or cared about who Jim Barnett was. It's almost like I'm completely lying about all of this. Oh yeah, I am."
Greg's so ridiculous lol everything he said was either a straight up lie or he just ducked dived ditched and dipper questions left and right all while putting a very "gagne" twist to history lol hmm it's very disappointing to see actually kinda feel bad for him but then again his stubbornness and his excuses just pull me back to having no sympathy for the gagnes and greg especially, talk about an inflated ego sheesh, he also has made huge mistakes and doesn't own any of them it's always someone else's fault, Greg's always the guy who taught everyone something to get them ahead but they just end up screwing him over. I wonder if greg really believes all this stuff he spews I bet he didn't think these interviews would get as popular as they've become so he just went off in these shoots thinking a few thousand wrestling fans will ever see it but now it's been watched by a ton of ppl thanks 2 youtube lol
Not pushing Hogan should always be known as Gagne's Folly. I understand why he didnt,. bein an old school amateur guy and Olympian, he felt Hogan didnt deserve it..esp from Bockwinkel. Hogans two largest traits are that hes egotistical and hes dumb, so Vince could have sold him a vacation spot in Antarctica, but Vern was way too honest, so I dont think he'd have ever gone national and monopolized it like Vince did, and he wasnt as cutthroat of a businessman, but he'd have made a LOT of money and gotten a LOT more attention brought to the business.
With all due respect you seem to be egotistical and dumb. One thing that you can NEVER accuse Hogan of being is dumb. A dumb guy doesn't make a ton of money selling merchandise at a time when that was rare. You just come across as one of those marks who thinks they Vince is this great genius.
1:03:34 Greg I’d likable but here’s the thing, he’s still thinking of AWA in the 70’s. When Vince wanted to buy it, it was not the AWA of old. In fact the only thing old about it was the wrestlers. I love Bockwinkel but he was their top guy and over 50. The towns don’t matter if no one is going to them. These guys should’ve sold. I think Greg wanted to buy his dad was stubborn and thought he wouldn’t be run out of town by Vince. He could’ve set himself up as an Exec and gotten Greg in but that stubbornness cost him tons of money and his sons future.
Ladies & Gentlemen, Greg “I came up with every major angle in wrestling, AWA would still be around only if this one thing didn’t happen, I thought of bringing Hogan in to WCW but everyone else that says otherwise is lying, Bischoff stole my contract and all my ideas, everyone compliments me as the best worker they ever worked with and best babyface ever, in 93 I said Nash, Austin, and Triple H were the next big stars in the business (even though Triple H hadn’t even been to WCW yet)” Gagne.
1:07:16 again another story that makes no sense. If they can’t do the deal, then why would they still have your commercial spots? You just gave them to them without signing and when it didn’t go through you just said nah keep them? This sounds to me like it was a boneheaded business decision. Every story he has they were about to do something huge but something always happened to nix the thing in the end. I think he’s told these stories so much to people and himself that he believes it now. Isn’t it funny how there’s like 10-15 different things he mentions that would’ve happened but something else just happened at the last minute and it led to them going under. I just don’t buy it. They would have to have the worst luck in the history of the world.
Big shout out to Greg Gagne
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Greg trained Verne. He told Verne, "Verne you need to open your own promotion in Minneapolis. I know with you at the helm it'll be a success. You should call it the American Wrestling Association. Verne did and the rest is history."
Greg Gagne is one of my favourites in regards to wrestling interviews. In my opinion he's more entertaining and credible than others out there.
Thank you Title match Wrestling for this complete interview.
Greg Gange credible?
@@rodzor He is joking isn't he? Greg,Hogan,Bischoff,and Flair are the Kings of BS!
Even Hogan blushes listening to Greg stretch the truth.
100%
You'd think he was top 5 all time
@@tonymartiniihe was brother - HH
Greg walked up to Dwayne Johnson, and said "I'm gonna give you a new gimmick, you're gonna be called The Rock". Then the rest was history
Love the idea of Greg Gange just sitting at home waiting for that call from RF Video.
Did Greg say he wanted to sit down or lay down with Rob?
Thanks for posting the entire video. I've been wanting to see the whole thing for a long time. I grew up in the 70s watching AWA wrestling. Gagne's promotion was by far the best era of wrestling ever. I can't watch today's wrestling, I gave up on it years ago, its just garbage. 70's and 80s Territory wrestling was the best!
Bobby Heenan when asked if Verne gave his son too much of a push. "No he should have pushed him more. Should have pushed him right off a cliff."
Yet his recollections of Verne are the same as Greg’s …
Just seen that Bobby Heenan interview
"Mick Jagger said I'm gonna leave the Rolling Stones, but then me n my dad, good friends with Keith Richards, said hey don't do that. We'll put this concert together and it'll be great. Hulk Hogan, Dana White, and Rob Zombie will show up, and that's how Woodstock happened."
People bash Greg (most deserved)...but a lot of greats say he had great psychology and timing, can take a bump. Had he stayed a trainer and an agent, out of the ring and the booking room he would have a better reputation.
They bash his inability to be honest. He tell massive whoppers
100%
I am so Happy that Greg invented pro wrestling..... Or else I would still be stuck watching the pro bowlers tour on Saturday mornings.
😂😂😂😂
What's this? No respect for Dick Weber,Don Carter, Carmen Salvino,Dick Ritger,Earl Anthony, Mark Roth,and Marshal Holman? LOL. The only man to wrestle professionally and bowl a 300 game: Of course Mr. Perfect!
@@curthennig9448 Wrestling was my first and true love, but there was competition on a Saturday morning! I dug 1960's bowling. My favorite was Dave Davis , But in that era, no one could touch Earl Anthony and his Sargent Carter hair-do. I was perplexed that the bowling lanes that I went to did not have bleacher seats like the lanes on t.v. I also enjoyed Roller Derby. My favorite was skinny Minnie with the L.A. Thunderbirds, who were the baby faces to the heelish bay city Bombers. I never could understand the rules. I am not sure if there truly were any. Just two teams spinning in circles for an hour taking turns delivering elbow smashes. At the end of an hour the announcer would give a score, which I suspect was predetermined just like wrestling.
@@scoh840 Earl Anthony was the man,the machine.
That's pretty cool he mentioned the small nothing town of Moline,IL. I currently live here, and have lived here off n on my whole life.. That Mean Gene Interview would be a Good Interview to post.. And that Video Company he was trying too think of could it have been Coliseum Video Possibly.? Thanks for this interview...
Back in the day we were a regular stop for the awa they used to use modern wooden park for out door matches Palmer auditorium Wharton field house
@@johnramsey5551 im very familiar with the locations mentioned, two Davenport locations and two Moline locations.. Thanks for your response conforming this..
CCR mentioned it in their song "it came out of the sky"
Don Marxen was the man in Moline.
Thank you for posting this
Great comments about him and Brodie .. he gets it ..
Greg is a great storyteller
And he continued that to selling cars.
Lol funny how he cant remember his idea about the challenge series when he admitted it was his idea in the documentary, but has a great memory on all the good ideas he allegedly came up with lmao. 😂
Appreciate the interview. Thank you..
greg was the start of the body guys 🤣
Greg "So I told Jack Nicklaus to work more on his golf swing" The rest is history.
Greg “ I told them about Hogan in Wcw “ the rest is history
Man ,Greg selling out high school gymnasiums …future superstar!
That's at least 175- 200 people. Big big money 💰
He was actually pretty popular
'They worked 366 days out of the year' Greg must've been in the same math class as Hogan.
Maybe it was the leap year...😂😂😂😂
I get what he was saying
I believe every word of the Hogan story
The 3 greatest wrestlers ever, in order, are 1. Greg Gagne, 2. Hulk Hogan, 3. Ric Flair.
It was me n Jim against the Rock and Jim Londos n nobody ever saw anything in them but my dad said "this kid Londos has something special" and the Rock was already extablished so dad, Tony Khan, and Jack Curley got together and created StarrCade.
Genes shoot interview he told Greg straight up leaving for 3 times the money 💰 Greg said you can't leave but I'm not competing with Mcmahon
Sorry Greg you didn't call Rick. You didn't even have his number. Patera brought Flair into the camp after the 72 Olympics. Patera and Flair had been living together for awhile back in 1971 and remained close friends.
Well idk why they didn’t give him WCW in 2001… he would have singlehandedly saved it.
1:19:15 exactly how I feel about this interview 😂
What a great interview, wether you believe him or not I think it's he perfect wrestler shoot interview, if he didn't put himself over it wouldn't be legit and true.
Nobody wants to hear diplomats talking and being nice, we love the honky tonks and Bundy, Cornette, etc far more enjoyable when we get a different version of events and another opinion from a new perspective. ❤
One thing for sure, Greg knew how to get someone "ekkstablished"
Kevin Nash does the same. He says 'especially' like 'ekspecially' ...it's literally just plain wrong lol.
It seems Greg inherited his father’s I walk on water attitude.
The water of Lake Minnetonka sank them.
Na na na na na na na na na! Na na na na na na na na na na! Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na!….. Well I'm no angel, now, I'll admit
I made a few bad moves….. hold on I started singing Eddie Money 🎶 🎸 😂
@@markedly1013It purified their asses
Is this the shoot where Gagne admits to inventing air? 😆
Yes and the Gagne sleeper took away the ability to breathe that air.
I grew up with AWA wrestling. The high flyers were my favorite.
The man who trained Tiffany Stratton
😂goofy
Do u see the pattern where Greg lies and says they had the idea of Hulk Hogan vs Andre before Vince and that they were going to have wrestling on CBS before Vince did it with NBC?
Doesn’t sound like a lie to me
I believe that one. Lots of whoppers but...
This is a very good interview. Greg is very interesting.
He’s a grade A liar but I guess that’s interesting in its own way.
If by interesting you mean liar, then I agree.
Great History
I love how everyone gets on Greg for stretching the stories he believes to be true, everyone always fails to consider how people all see a different reality, everyone.....take 100 people and make them all experience the same holiday, every single person will have his version of what the holiday was like, good or bad, great food, bad food. Great bed crap bed, even every conversation that takes place...
You make sure they all get exactly the same experience and ask them questions afterwards and every single person will have a different version of events, that's just the way we are, it cannot be helped.
What you do get from Greg is a sincere appearance, no hesitation, this is really the way he remembers it to be, don't forget his dad would've had his version too which was largely a part of Greg's upbringing so he would've gotten much of his opinion from what his dad had told him and what he saw through the eyes of a naive young man who was being kayfabed by many guys and played with because of the mistrust due to his dad...
I appreciate Greg's version, it gives another side of a coin that isn't just the same as what others say..most of which is second hand information whiles Greg's stories are at least his own experience and side of it. ❤
Top Notch.
Greg was the Olive Oil of the AWA.
Im stopped by to hear some words of wisdom from Gregory Gagne🤣🤣
"When Andre came to my dad, he was 6'3" and 200 lbs soaking wet."
Verne was also just plain awful as well. Thank-you Hogan for saving Pro-Wrestlimg.
18:39 is when his Dad told him he was the best baby face the business has ever seen.
Was he that good?
So is that really how the Rockers started???🤣🤣 dude Greg wtf is wrong with you lol. They had already met and teamed on several occasions in mid states territory for Bob Geigal and Race
Greg is such a good b.s. story teller.
How to keep it going?? Team Challenge Series??
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, but most of them stink.
Thanks 🙏
Hey Greg if Verne could see that far down where wrestling business was going, then why he let Hogan go?!?!?🤣🤣🤣
💯
Greg seems like a nice guy, but his great big idea for WCW… that AWA vs NWA angle… woulda absolutely been the shits. By the time Hogan got to WCW, AWA and NWA were completely passé, and were dead brands. I was a huge wrestling fan when I was a kid. Couldn’t get enough of it. I remember when AWA was syndicated on ESPN. As a kid who watched WCW & WWF, AWA was soooo boring. I really wanted to like it, but I just never could get into it. Maybe I woulda liked it better if I was older. But to a 7-10 yr old kid, it was very antiquated. Almost like having a kid these days try to watch an old black & white movie or tv show. There’s just too much of an age gap production-wise, for a kid to get emotionally invested in it.
And then his other “ace in the hole” idea about that Russia vs USA angle, was so played out by the time he pitched that idea.
I have a certain level of respect for Greg, just for his lineage and pedigree. But he never struck me as having any game changing ideas, behind the scenes.
fantastic interview
Verne was the OG kurt Angle
Nobody would watch Greg and he only got a spot because of his Dad. He said Bockwinkle was OK?
People like to bash Greg as if he is as bad as George Gulas or Mike von Erich. I watched Greg all the time in the 1980's and contrary to what people say he was actually very good in the ring. He had good timing and was very smooth on the ring. His biggest draw back was he was tall and skinny and was probably the only one that was on the gas back then. There are a ton of matches on UA-cam,if you watch some without a bias against him you'll see ha was actually pretty good. He gets a bad rap because who his father was
What a difference in Wrestling families. McMahons vs the Gagnes. Wonder how that worked out. LOL
Battle of the pushed sons Bruce Hart vs Greg Gagne
So many lies by Greg here. Ugh.
Greg “John Lennon was at the St Paul Civic Center on 12/7/81. He was so happy Verne retired as champ. Verne and I told him to get the Beatles back together at the arena in St Paul after a come out of retirement match with Verne winning the title back. Then he was shot so the deal was done!”
I remember watching AWA back then and thinking that 'Greg Gagne" was pure faker. That should have been his gimmick, instead of being a little talent son of the owner. LOL
Then you remember how he was over as the High Fliers
You gave yourself thumbs up Hahahahah
@@reallifelebowski4732 LOL you got to support your own comments I guess.
Greg “I told Eric Bischoff what to do to make WCW successful” Gagne.
But he ignored everything he said
@@calbaza19 Is that sarcasm?
As did Graham, Sullivan, Hogan, Jerry Jarrett
@@jrod7639 I know haha!!!! 😏
Honestly, I think the "I invented the NWO" bs was a good Idea Hogan AWA champ and Flair WCW champ.
Greg
The Nick Gulas of the AWA Daddy said sell
That would be George Gulas. Nick Gulas WAS Daddy...well George Gulas' anyhow.
That one is not fair. There are way too many actual Greg Gagne lies to cast this false denigration.
I always liked Verne and Greg. Down to Earth, straight forward ,matter of fact, midwestern American guys.
Hello
Martel and Santana
Didn’t draw a dime
95% of this was lies, lol .
Guy died a horrible cte / dementia related death.
Greg Gagne>>>>Bankrupt Bischoff
Great interview and there's something genuine w Greg too...tu for listing the year it took place...what is it w calling Alzheimer's...All Timers!!!! Pronounce the Z dopes..lol
Greg is a genuine liar
@@richardwang1739don’t think he really is .. in terms of pro wrestlers
Minnesota
The one with the beard talks like a wanna be roadman. Grow up
This guy gives a great interview. But Feinstein is just so damn nervous he can barely register Gagnes answers. No answer ever gets developed upon because of this
"the movie did really well around the country except the distribution didn't let anyone see it. Jim Barnett was such a powerful guy but no one knew or cared about who Jim Barnett was. It's almost like I'm completely lying about all of this. Oh yeah, I am."
Rob had a crush on Minneapolis' man of the year in 1975.
Greg's so ridiculous lol everything he said was either a straight up lie or he just ducked dived ditched and dipper questions left and right all while putting a very "gagne" twist to history lol hmm it's very disappointing to see actually kinda feel bad for him but then again his stubbornness and his excuses just pull me back to having no sympathy for the gagnes and greg especially, talk about an inflated ego sheesh, he also has made huge mistakes and doesn't own any of them it's always someone else's fault, Greg's always the guy who taught everyone something to get them ahead but they just end up screwing him over. I wonder if greg really believes all this stuff he spews I bet he didn't think these interviews would get as popular as they've become so he just went off in these shoots thinking a few thousand wrestling fans will ever see it but now it's been watched by a ton of ppl thanks 2 youtube lol
I liked this interview but my goodness, was it ever disjointed. The interviewer wasn’t even listening to the answers. On to the next question.
Extablished
Steve Regal sucked ,what were you talking about Gerg
Not pushing Hogan should always be known as Gagne's Folly. I understand why he didnt,. bein an old school amateur guy and Olympian, he felt Hogan didnt deserve it..esp from Bockwinkel. Hogans two largest traits are that hes egotistical and hes dumb, so Vince could have sold him a vacation spot in Antarctica, but Vern was way too honest, so I dont think he'd have ever gone national and monopolized it like Vince did, and he wasnt as cutthroat of a businessman, but he'd have made a LOT of money and gotten a LOT more attention brought to the business.
With all due respect you seem to be egotistical and dumb. One thing that you can NEVER accuse Hogan of being is dumb. A dumb guy doesn't make a ton of money selling merchandise at a time when that was rare. You just come across as one of those marks who thinks they Vince is this great genius.
1:03:34 Greg I’d likable but here’s the thing, he’s still thinking of AWA in the 70’s. When Vince wanted to buy it, it was not the AWA of old. In fact the only thing old about it was the wrestlers. I love Bockwinkel but he was their top guy and over 50. The towns don’t matter if no one is going to them. These guys should’ve sold. I think Greg wanted to buy his dad was stubborn and thought he wouldn’t be run out of town by Vince. He could’ve set himself up as an Exec and gotten Greg in but that stubbornness cost him tons of money and his sons future.
Ladies & Gentlemen, Greg “I came up with every major angle in wrestling, AWA would still be around only if this one thing didn’t happen, I thought of bringing Hogan in to WCW but everyone else that says otherwise is lying, Bischoff stole my contract and all my ideas, everyone compliments me as the best worker they ever worked with and best babyface ever, in 93 I said Nash, Austin, and Triple H were the next big stars in the business (even though Triple H hadn’t even been to WCW yet)” Gagne.
Don't forget Undertaker. Greg offered him advice too when he was already in the WWF
1:07:16 again another story that makes no sense. If they can’t do the deal, then why would they still have your commercial spots? You just gave them to them without signing and when it didn’t go through you just said nah keep them? This sounds to me like it was a boneheaded business decision. Every story he has they were about to do something huge but something always happened to nix the thing in the end. I think he’s told these stories so much to people and himself that he believes it now. Isn’t it funny how there’s like 10-15 different things he mentions that would’ve happened but something else just happened at the last minute and it led to them going under. I just don’t buy it. They would have to have the worst luck in the history of the world.