Dude I think I'm getting crazy. I just hit ctrl+S to save the session while watching a youtube video lol... great content btw, keep it up Jordan, thanks
I’m so happy you make these videos. Every time you post I learn something new and I’m instantly inspired to write and record music to practice everything you’ve been teaching.
I was gonna say the same thing. I just recently started recording again after a 10 year break. This channel has already helped me a lot to get the basics back. Drum samples and plug ins have come along way since my days in Sonar 8 :using OG amplitube, Latency Ridden Tascam interface and shitty midi drums in Sonar back then.
that use of the sends to create a different drum mix for the parrell compression is genius. i had laods of issues with too many cymbals so either split it or just routed the kick and snare to the Pcomp. what your doing is a more elegant solution and gives me more control over it, keeps the routing simple to understand and find. THANKS!!!
Video is still teaching 5 years later- I had my cymbals and room going into my parallel bus so I was getting that washy sound you talked about 😅 now I know how to fix it. Thank you Jordan!
Jordan I gotta say. To me you give the best mixing tips anywhere. I implemented some of your mixing tips and philosophy in my own work and my mixes started sounding much better. SO truly thank you man. People subscribe to this dude, he knows his s#$"% :D
You can always tell who is legitimate in this type of “tip giving industry” by who actually gives good information for free. I can tell you’re not in it for money. You’re making people go from novice to pro by giving your advice and not keeping out the real secrets. I took the free 3 video part hardcore music studio course and my mix went from “yeah it’s good but something is missing” to “holy shit, once I practice this more, it’s game over💪🏼”
@@hardcoremusicstudioOk thank you, then I need to figure out how I can route the signal dry. As it is now the reverb that I also have as a send will follow to the parallel bus, and it sound not so good.
@@hardcoremusicstudio Realized now that the reverb don’t go into parallel, the FX bus was activated even when I was in solo mode for the parallel bus. I have finished my mix, thanks you your great videos here on UA-cam, so thanks again!
Learned this trick from a video of your's last year and have been using it ever since! It's *so* rare that you actually come across a legitimate 'game changer' technique, but this is one of those very rare occasions when your mixes do undergo a night-and-day difference with one simple technique (assuming, of course, your drums are already pretty good to begin with). If I could offer one additional comment: while I agree that you could achieve this with many different compressors, I think there's something to be said for the particular 'snappiness' and punch of a VCA-style compressor. SSL and dbx160 emulations spring to mind! There are no end of compressors that can squash and crush your parallel tracks to the moon and back, but there's something about that SSL-style spank that makes this trick really work (though I agree that you do need a clipper to shave off the peaks)!
I didn't get it, do you double the first drum mix and send it to the other bus then? Or just usual drum mix to 2 buses, one of which is heavily compressed? oh ok looks like the 2nd separate drum track
I really need to get that SSL compressor but I have so much fun using kotelnikov and proximity by TDR, you can stack kotelnikovs and get a dark/black tone
My music is along the lines of tool meets the deftones. I learned alot from this channel already. But let me ask. Are Toms supposed to be mono or stereo???
I see a parrallel compression is on the separate buss than drum buss. Im wonder what are the thoughts behind separate busses, rather then have drums under the same fader. How drum buss compression will affect it if parralel compression is part of a drum buss. Is the benefit of have it separated to got even thicked and more punchy drums. Thank you Jordan as always
How would one do this with midi drums? For example, I use addictive drums 2. If you’re not sending the same kit to the parallel track, wouldn’t you need to bounce all the drum tracks in order to have control over which ones go to the send?
In the beginning of the video, as you raise the crush fader, the snare starts to sound really phasey. Would that be from plugin latency? I've noticed if I have two busses with the same source signal, but the busses are processed differently, it can get phasey sometimes.
KernelxSanders whenever I use a Parallel drum send, this always happens. But when anybody else does it it doesn’t. Only thing I have realized, is that transient designers make it worse because a lot of them do a phase thing. I usually just use a comp with a mix knob to get that sound now. Any actual insight on this from someone who knows their phase stuff would help!
the snare while being a sample was actually recorded. duh. but also keep in mind the whole drum mix including the room mics is being compressed. while there still may be some phasing, what you are hearing is more ambience from the snare in the room mics being compressed on the parallel bus.
With this method, is there absolutely no compression whatsoever on the individual tracks or is it just subtle compression that doesn't really affect their overall dynamics too much? Because in the other videos you have compression going on the individual tracks with the SSL E-Channel. Can this technique still be applied then??
You can still use compression on individual tracks, but it should be used more subtly. You can then send individual tracks to a seperate bus, slam some compression on them, then bring up that bus fader to blend in with the rest of the kit.
Thanks for the info and tips, I have recorded and mixed for many years and it's great to top up on old techniques. I have a question if I may? How do you feel about the plethora of Rock and Metal courses online, a couple I have subscribed to.. and how they almost all create this new pop, auto tuned, insipid and often uninspired teen Metal sound? They all sound the same..shouty verse and highly treated, layered harmonies on the chorus! Don't get me wrong, I appreciate some of it, I'm not trolling but, to my experienced ear, it's become factory-like, churning out formularised, over-sincere dross. Cheers 🇬🇧🔥🇬🇧 x
Hey Jordan how are you? Thanks for all these videos! Let me ask you a question: do you find yourself in your mixes using the same parallel compression aux for all the instruments or do you rather create different parallel compression auxes for each group of instruments you wanna send to? e.g. would you send the bass or the vocals to the drums parallel or would you create another parallel aux for each one? Thanks in advance!
Im in logic so it’s a tad confusing in relation to how you set it up in your daw. Here’s what I tried in Logic… I took my kick, snare, and overhead tracks. Sent all 3 tracks to a separate aux (send levels sent to taste). then I added processing and routed that aux into my drum bus. Am I correct in this…? The only issue I’m having is the proper routing for this technique. I understand everything else. Any help?
Great video. I usually doing a "cruch-bus" like You did BUT I only send the drumshells to it. With this method - in my opinion - i got only that smacking hits and I can blend it in to my drum bus and 5/4 times got the same results. What do you think about it?
So the secret is turning down the cymbals before they hit the parallel bus, but what about the attack on the compressor? From what I've seen many times parallel compression uses the fastest attack possible to kill the transients, doesn't that work on drums?
Jordan, why do you favor a slow attack instead of a fast attack for parallel compression? My perception was that a fast attack will crush the drums more and add sustain to the shells. Thanks!
Joel Bousquet You’d lose the punch of the transient if you set the attack too fast which you might want if you want to emphasize the sustain tails of the instrument (drums here) but then you’d also increase the release.
Love this technique. If I do end up using it, the SSL Comp is great, but I highly recommend putting it up for a comparison with the JST Gain Reduction. I feel like it has more edge to it.
Thanks for sharing this technique, amazing video as always. I still have a question though... Are there times that this simply doesn't work for you? I copied your method in one of my mixes which worked well for the snare but I figured my kick would lose a bit too much of its bottom. So I went a bit further, panned the original drum mix to the hard left and the parallel mix to the hard right with everything else muted and put span on my stereo out. Turns out I have negative phase corellation between the busses. Is there something that can be done about it or is it just a normal thing that sometimes this may not work well?
Spero too fast of an attack will reduce the attack of the drums. A slow attack let's those transients through and then a fast release let's the rest of the sound through while also making sure the compressor resets for the next hit.
weeschwee yeah, but the purpose of parallell compression is to get all the natural transients from the uncompressed track and then tuck the compressed track in underneath to provide the extra punch.
Spero I think parallel compression can be used for multiple purposes. In this case I think he wants to add more of the drum's attack. So a slow attack setting will let those transients through. A fast attack setting would reduce those transients.
Jesse Grisham he sends a copy of his drum track sends to the compression bus instead of his actual sends so he can manipulate the volume fader to bring in a small amount of compression. But he’s confusing me when he’s saying he brings in a copy of it, I only see the option in reaper to just send the drums over to a bus and not a copy of it.
Braedon Billheimer that’s the same thing that’s bugging me. i figure if i were to try this i’d just copy and paste the same drums on a different bus and do that there. maybe a bit overkill but worse case scenario i’d do that. or maybe try sending the original drum sounds from the drum bus and experimenting with post/pre faded to see which one gives me more the sound i want and flexibility. All the while i’m c center about the use of samples. I’m trying to do most of my stuff in the box/freeware and without samples enhancement so i wonder how this would sound. EDIT: ua-cam.com/video/hIRO7FbL1Y4/v-deo.html this link shows you how to do it in reaper so you can do it using HCMS’s demo and style or this style too.
There’s a placed on your mixer right above the volume fader, “sends/receives”. make a separate track and send the drum track to the new track you made. Then apply comp plugins And send both those to a new track. The newest track you made can be the drum bus.
I saw a video of a guy setting up all of the parallel compression BEFORE eq'ing the drums and it has now thrown me way off. I assume you should EQ everything as best you can prior to setting up the parallel compression and then maybe tweaking things further after the fact or what?? I should probably just shut up and watch this before i comment
drums don't "slam" in professional recordings. they blend with the music. "slamming" drums can be found on amateur recordings, the kind that gives you a headache after 5 minutes.
@sheppymcshep sorry, but they aren't. Knowing Jordan's work and his typical setup, you can clearly see that there is an original kick in, snare top, and snare bottom AND samples mixed lower with these... if younare basing this simply on a guess (or your ears) you may want to pay closer attention. Respectfully, you're wrong. The sample augmentation is a choice, but just about every mix you love uses them. So, you can reply that I'm wrong, but if you look further you'll realize I'm not. Cheers and best of luck with your mixes and attention to detail.
Dude I think I'm getting crazy. I just hit ctrl+S to save the session while watching a youtube video lol... great content btw, keep it up Jordan, thanks
Cool tip. My drum mixes have improved 1000 fold since I’ve watched your tips on EQ, compression, etc.
I’m so happy you make these videos. Every time you post I learn something new and I’m instantly inspired to write and record music to practice everything you’ve been teaching.
I was gonna say the same thing. I just recently started recording again after a 10 year break.
This channel has already helped me a lot to get the basics back.
Drum samples and plug ins have come along way since my days in Sonar 8 :using OG amplitube, Latency Ridden Tascam interface and shitty midi drums in Sonar back then.
that use of the sends to create a different drum mix for the parrell compression is genius. i had laods of issues with too many cymbals so either split it or just routed the kick and snare to the Pcomp. what your doing is a more elegant solution and gives me more control over it, keeps the routing simple to understand and find.
THANKS!!!
Video is still teaching 5 years later- I had my cymbals and room going into my parallel bus so I was getting that washy sound you talked about 😅 now I know how to fix it. Thank you Jordan!
Really like the idea of sending a separate mix to the compressor. Good call man.
I've try this tips and my drum is really more aggressive with this added impact and I love it ! Thank you very much !!!
No doubt: one of the best channels. Thanks, Jordan!
Can you go into detail on how to properly separate all the drum tacks to a parallel bus?
Your videos are amazing, thank you
ua-cam.com/video/I5sH9zPA94U/v-deo.html Closest thing I could find
Wouldn't you just be able to route the main kit to a bus and then control the db levels of each piece of the kit?
Just create a bespoke mix via the bus sends that’s snare/toms/kick heavy but leave out the hats/cymbals/overheads.
has there been a video on this? It would be really helpful
Jordan I gotta say. To me you give the best mixing tips anywhere. I implemented some of your mixing tips and philosophy in my own work and my mixes started sounding much better. SO truly thank you man. People subscribe to this dude, he knows his s#$"% :D
Thanks man! This explained to me why my PCOMP drum bus was always a little too washy. Putting this method in my drum mixes going forward
You can always tell who is legitimate in this type of “tip giving industry” by who actually gives good information for free. I can tell you’re not in it for money. You’re making people go from novice to pro by giving your advice and not keeping out the real secrets. I took the free 3 video part hardcore music studio course and my mix went from “yeah it’s good but something is missing” to “holy shit, once I practice this more, it’s game over💪🏼”
Which courses were they?
@@Zalkard the full stack producer course
Hello, great video! A question: Should I send the snare with included reverb signal to the parallel compression?
Nope!
@@hardcoremusicstudioOk thank you, then I need to figure out how I can route the signal dry. As it is now the reverb that I also have as a send will follow to the parallel bus, and it sound not so good.
@@hardcoremusicstudio Realized now that the reverb don’t go into parallel, the FX bus was activated even when I was in solo mode for the parallel bus. I have finished my mix, thanks you your great videos here on UA-cam, so thanks again!
Learned this trick from a video of your's last year and have been using it ever since! It's *so* rare that you actually come across a legitimate 'game changer' technique, but this is one of those very rare occasions when your mixes do undergo a night-and-day difference with one simple technique (assuming, of course, your drums are already pretty good to begin with).
If I could offer one additional comment: while I agree that you could achieve this with many different compressors, I think there's something to be said for the particular 'snappiness' and punch of a VCA-style compressor. SSL and dbx160 emulations spring to mind!
There are no end of compressors that can squash and crush your parallel tracks to the moon and back, but there's something about that SSL-style spank that makes this trick really work (though I agree that you do need a clipper to shave off the peaks)!
you are a life saver! i wish you all the best
Holy hell this was straight to the fucking point. Love it.
I didn't get it, do you double the first drum mix and send it to the other bus then? Or just usual drum mix to 2 buses, one of which is heavily compressed?
oh ok looks like the 2nd separate drum track
Amazing, thank you!
I can tell this is the best drum parallel comp tutorial with nice explanation
I really need to get that SSL compressor but I have so much fun using kotelnikov and proximity by TDR, you can stack kotelnikovs and get a dark/black tone
Got this in place on my new mixing template. Lifts the kit and sounds orsum. Thanks Jman.
More great info! Perfectly presented!!!!!! thanks!!!!
This is incredible and it makes so much sense now that you've said it. Will try that for sure on my next mix. Thank you for that!
Samples to the kicks and the snares?
My music is along the lines of tool meets the deftones. I learned alot from this channel already. But let me ask. Are Toms supposed to be mono or stereo???
Thx a lot man, this technique makes a ton of difference!
Do you compress the drums individually and then again on the bus?
This is exactly what I was looking for!! Great vid. Thanks!! 💪🤘🔥🔥🔥
I see a parrallel compression is on the separate buss than drum buss. Im wonder what are the thoughts behind separate busses, rather then have drums under the same fader. How drum buss compression will affect it if parralel compression is part of a drum buss. Is the benefit of have it separated to got even thicked and more punchy drums. Thank you Jordan as always
Great Video, thanks for the info
How would one do this with midi drums? For example, I use addictive drums 2. If you’re not sending the same kit to the parallel track, wouldn’t you need to bounce all the drum tracks in order to have control over which ones go to the send?
Excellent tutorial... a fantastic technique but I also picked up a tip (Decapitator) which is a crackin' idea!
In the beginning of the video, as you raise the crush fader, the snare starts to sound really phasey. Would that be from plugin latency? I've noticed if I have two busses with the same source signal, but the busses are processed differently, it can get phasey sometimes.
KernelxSanders whenever I use a Parallel drum send, this always happens. But when anybody else does it it doesn’t. Only thing I have realized, is that transient designers make it worse because a lot of them do a phase thing. I usually just use a comp with a mix knob to get that sound now. Any actual insight on this from someone who knows their phase stuff would help!
the snare while being a sample was actually recorded. duh.
but also keep in mind the whole drum mix including the room mics is being compressed. while there still may be some phasing, what you are hearing is more ambience from the snare in the room mics being compressed on the parallel bus.
What processing do you have on your regular drum bus?
I wondered the same thing.
Awesome, buddy, great info. Thank you for your expertise
With this method, is there absolutely no compression whatsoever on the individual tracks or is it just subtle compression that doesn't really affect their overall dynamics too much? Because in the other videos you have compression going on the individual tracks with the SSL E-Channel. Can this technique still be applied then??
You can still use compression on individual tracks, but it should be used more subtly. You can then send individual tracks to a seperate bus, slam some compression on them, then bring up that bus fader to blend in with the rest of the kit.
Great video as always. I'm huge fan of yours
Let’s say you don’t have $200-300 lying around for some of these fancy saturation plugins. Any suggestions for more budget friendly options?
Slate virtual mix rack has some great saturation plugins
excellent tip as usual thanks man
Thanks for the info and tips, I have recorded and mixed for many years and it's great to top up on old techniques. I have a question if I may? How do you feel about the plethora of Rock and Metal courses online, a couple I have subscribed to.. and how they almost all create this new pop, auto tuned, insipid and often uninspired teen Metal sound? They all sound the same..shouty verse and highly treated, layered harmonies on the chorus! Don't get me wrong, I appreciate some of it, I'm not trolling but, to my experienced ear, it's become factory-like, churning out formularised, over-sincere dross. Cheers 🇬🇧🔥🇬🇧 x
I need to figure out how to do this in Studio One Artist
That was cool
Sounds a lot easier than automating volume on the whole tracks
At last.... someone explaining some things about parallel compression, without telling us again "what is a compressor" and "how it works"!
Haha! Awesome!
Great video and very well explained.
Hi, how do you seperate the sends for the paralell bus?
Great video man.
Hey Jordan how are you? Thanks for all these videos! Let me ask you a question: do you find yourself in your mixes using the same parallel compression aux for all the instruments or do you rather create different parallel compression auxes for each group of instruments you wanna send to? e.g. would you send the bass or the vocals to the drums parallel or would you create another parallel aux for each one? Thanks in advance!
Im in logic so it’s a tad confusing in relation to how you set it up in your daw. Here’s what I tried in Logic…
I took my kick, snare, and overhead tracks. Sent all 3 tracks to a separate aux (send levels sent to taste). then I added processing and routed that aux into my drum bus.
Am I correct in this…? The only issue I’m having is the proper routing for this technique. I understand everything else. Any help?
Noob question: What's the routing for the drum busess?
Great video. I usually doing a "cruch-bus" like You did BUT I only send the drumshells to it. With this method - in my opinion - i got only that smacking hits and I can blend it in to my drum bus and 5/4 times got the same results. What do you think about it?
I like adding a touch of cymbals to help glue the kit together!
That is cool. Next time I'll give it a try and see. However it is very helpful and powerful! Thanks once again! 😊
Great sounding drums man
Can you use an L1 to keep peaks at bay instead of the clipper?
So the secret is turning down the cymbals before they hit the parallel bus, but what about the attack on the compressor? From what I've seen many times parallel compression uses the fastest attack possible to kill the transients, doesn't that work on drums?
Jordan, why do you favor a slow attack instead of a fast attack for parallel compression? My perception was that a fast attack will crush the drums more and add sustain to the shells. Thanks!
Joel Bousquet You’d lose the punch of the transient if you set the attack too fast which you might want if you want to emphasize the sustain tails of the instrument (drums here) but then you’d also increase the release.
This is going to help me out big time :)
Thanks for this! Do you also compress your master drum bus?
Does anyone have his mixing cheat sheet? The download link in my email doesn't work.
Love this technique. If I do end up using it, the SSL Comp is great, but I highly recommend putting it up for a comparison with the JST Gain Reduction. I feel like it has more edge to it.
JST Gain Reduction is thicker, SSL Comp is punchier.
Thanks bro!!!
@Harcore Music Studio
Jordan what snares and kick did you use on this? Both sound killer.
Jan Trtschka His samples that he Sells on His site , i bought the sundown snare pack and i Must Say, some of the best samples for metal and rock
@@sebastiandordoni2268 I can't find it on his page. Can you Show me where to get them?
Thanks for this! How do you approach automating the volumes of each kit, while maintaining the same amount of ratio with the parallel compression?
What snare samples you used?
Sounds powerful
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Do you compress your drums together with the parallel compression track as well?
Thanks for sharing this technique, amazing video as always.
I still have a question though...
Are there times that this simply doesn't work for you?
I copied your method in one of my mixes which worked well for the snare but I figured my kick would lose a bit too much of its bottom. So I went a bit further, panned the original drum mix to the hard left and the parallel mix to the hard right with everything else muted and put span on my stereo out. Turns out I have negative phase corellation between the busses. Is there something that can be done about it or is it just a normal thing that sometimes this may not work well?
Keep both drum bus outputs centered.
Can this principle be applied to purely programmed drums (i.e. MTPowerDrumkit, GGD etc., no live recorded drums) as well?
Yes, it works for programmed drums as well.
how about useing BG-Drums by JST ??
Are you sending the tracks pre or post fader?
Post-fader
Why not use a really fast attack on the comp of the parallell track to bring out the punch?
Spero too fast of an attack will reduce the attack of the drums. A slow attack let's those transients through and then a fast release let's the rest of the sound through while also making sure the compressor resets for the next hit.
weeschwee yeah, but the purpose of parallell compression is to get all the natural transients from the uncompressed track and then tuck the compressed track in underneath to provide the extra punch.
Spero I think parallel compression can be used for multiple purposes. In this case I think he wants to add more of the drum's attack. So a slow attack setting will let those transients through. A fast attack setting would reduce those transients.
weeschwee 6:48, ua-cam.com/video/tnKgDAImZtg/v-deo.html
weeschwee Thanks, your right, probably depends of the actual purpose.
Any one knows the song and the band?
Hey! Love the video!
Does anyone know how to send those separate sends to the bus in Reaper?
What do you mean? What part? I might be able to help hopefully.
Jesse Grisham he sends a copy of his drum track sends to the compression bus instead of his actual sends so he can manipulate the volume fader to bring in a small amount of compression. But he’s confusing me when he’s saying he brings in a copy of it, I only see the option in reaper to just send the drums over to a bus and not a copy of it.
Braedon Billheimer that’s the same thing that’s bugging me. i figure if i were to try this i’d just copy and paste the same drums on a different bus and do that there. maybe a bit overkill but worse case scenario i’d do that. or maybe try sending the original drum sounds from the drum bus and experimenting with post/pre faded to see which one gives me more the sound i want and flexibility. All the while i’m c center about the use of samples. I’m trying to do most of my stuff in the box/freeware and without samples enhancement so i wonder how this would sound.
EDIT: ua-cam.com/video/hIRO7FbL1Y4/v-deo.html this link shows you how to do it in reaper so you can do it using HCMS’s demo and style or this style too.
What? Super easy, make send for each instrument you want in the parallel compression bus. Done
There’s a placed on your mixer right above the volume fader, “sends/receives”. make a separate track and send the drum track to the new track you made. Then apply comp plugins And send both those to a new track. The newest track you made can be the drum bus.
yeah
Awesome!
are these midi or real drums?
Midi
Helpful
secrets of puncy drums :compressor and saturator.
Dope!!
You know the video will be good when it has 666 likes
Yeaahh i always use them
nice!
I saw a video of a guy setting up all of the parallel compression BEFORE eq'ing the drums and it has now thrown me way off. I assume you should EQ everything as best you can prior to setting up the parallel compression and then maybe tweaking things further after the fact or what?? I should probably just shut up and watch this before i comment
Genial 👌👌
I feel like I could spend an infinite amount of money on plugins.. It's hard to know where to draw the line
Are these all samples? The crush bus really brings out an unnatural quality...maybe it’s just the heavy handed ness for the sake of the demo.
🤘🏼💿🎶
drums don't "slam" in professional recordings. they blend with the music. "slamming" drums can be found on amateur recordings, the kind that gives you a headache after 5 minutes.
urgh. Can we not use real drums for these videos? it's way easier to make programmed drums sound good. Try it with a real kit.
What
These are real drums lol. 🥁
I hear you ! every freaking video on how to mix metal drums is fake drums...jeeez
No…these are sample replacements.
@sheppymcshep sorry, but they aren't. Knowing Jordan's work and his typical setup, you can clearly see that there is an original kick in, snare top, and snare bottom AND samples mixed lower with these... if younare basing this simply on a guess (or your ears) you may want to pay closer attention. Respectfully, you're wrong. The sample augmentation is a choice, but just about every mix you love uses them. So, you can reply that I'm wrong, but if you look further you'll realize I'm not. Cheers and best of luck with your mixes and attention to detail.
Confusing af