How to EQ Drum Overheads and Cymbals (for Rock / Metal Drums)
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- Опубліковано 22 кві 2019
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Want to trade boxy, washy overhead sounds for bright, clear, focused cymbals? Here's how to do it!
I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say that no matter how much you try, you pretty much never get a good drum kit sound out of your overheads alone.
I'm also gonna guess that most of the time you don't even want the sound of the kit in your overheads... You just want to control the level of the cymbals!
This approach is NOT about getting a "nice, natural full-kit drum sound" from your overheads.
Instead, you can use this method to remove the kick/snare/toms from the overheads...
And dial in a super tight, focused, bright cymbal sound that you can have full control over in the mix.
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This is so well recorded that I kinda like both (eq, bypassed) lol
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Dude, I've been procrastinating on updating my drum presets from like a year ago and your videos have really been pushing me in a good direction. I'm using FL studio and finding a good reverb for the snare has been my biggest challenge, but I seriously appreciate these videos. You rock :D
Wow, this cleaned up my drum mix soooo much! Great video, like always!
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I can't wait to dive into my next mix with this knowledge. Great stuff man
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Man, what a great tip! I couldn't figure out where my mud was coming from. I added this EQ curve to my overheads and suddenly my drums cleaned up. thanks!
Awesome work, thanks for sharing!
This video helped me so damn much. I kept trying to utilize my overheads as the whole kit picture but it always sounded really cloudy and muddy. Done this on my overheads and holy crap what a difference
Thanks for the tip man for drum overheads drums sound great man
Even cymbals are sounding silky smooth by that eq as well ❤️
I was expecting the difference in cymbal sound, but not how much more the rest of the kit snaps/cuts. Very cool.
absolutely great man.
THANK YOU
i also tend to look around 2k and 6k for cheap and annoying frequencies. the gongy frequency that you dipped can determine the weight of the cymbals. it's great for controlling thickness, which as you said, is determined by tempo.
I have been chewing through your content the past couple weeks and wanted to say thanks. I picked up a handful of techniques I was not using…fast attack on the bottom snare being the biggest one so far. I’ve always had the same issue with OH that you described…I want them to be a nice full drum set image but it never sounds good that way. Reminds me of an interview with Scheps where he talked about all his peers micing guitar cabs with multiple mics and he loves the way their guitars sound but when he tries multiple mics it never sounds good to him so he just puts one mic front and center and rolls with it. Gonna try your OH eq today. Thanks again for your work.
it! super! you do it great!
Realy ımpresıve kick and snare sound
I think this approach with OHs representing the kit as a whole is more for genres where drummers just don't hit that hard and/or that go for a very natural acoustic sound overall. Heard great jazz recordings with 2 OHs, 1x Kick, 1x Snare and maybe some room mics. It just doesn't work for metal. Even the most old school metal already had quite a few mics on the kit for it's time.
Jordan this is amazing, thank you. As for room mics, do you prefer recording both stereo and mono and use both in the mix or how do you go about it?
I'm new, so I'm confused... The 'honky' stuff seems to me is what made a HH sound like a HH. After taking it out and the rest of the EQ, the HH now sounds like a crash and just sounds like washed out static that stops/starts here and there. Just trying to learn.
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Nice tips - one thing though - I learned that using a linear eq on the overheads for such extended high passes might preserve the overall time relationship to the other mics better. As with all things, experiment ;-)
Yes.. For rock.I use the overheads for cymbal sound. Then parallel compression for the rest of the kit.
Yep. That's what I do. I'm still working out a decent & consistent technique for hihats, but I'm getting the sound I want for everything else. Hats almost never cause me a problem though, if they are well recorded.
How would you alter this method if you don't have room tracks?
I use Crown PZM Mics, and get a great drum sound with cymbals .
The one walk through I cannot find is a step by step on mixing spot mics... There's nollys videos but those are mixing ggd drums not live. And dynamics are different because of the giant rooms he uses. Anyone know of any spot mic mixing tutorials?
4:49 lol 😂
what's the point of a mono room if you already have a stereo one?
is it real drums or samples you used? Sounds amazing!
It's real drums, there's no way it could be samples
@@ScapezMusic It's a real drum track WITH sample replacement on the close mics.
Thanks for the video I struggle with overheads I think I have them sounding really good doing pretty much what you say then only to check on other speakers to ear piercing cymbals. No matter how much I turn them down. I feel like I recorded them proper and they sound good I also have no plugins on my Master bus. If I do any type of limiting forget about it, its just annoying. Anybody have some suggestions?
luckyrobotgamer DOGE notch out ringing frequencies, tame harsh regions that may have built up due to room/ mic choice/ cymbal choice, etc. Saturation can also help.
Also check out Nolly’s mixing masterclass here on UA-cam to see how he approaches mixing cymbals.
OekSound’s Soothe plug-in is a miracle for this, but I figured I’d list free options first :)
+1 with what Dalton is saying. I usually put VTM at the end of my drum bus specifically to tame the harshness from the cymbals and other transients. A dab'll do ya.
Couldn’t agree more with these answers. Also, try out the Oeksound soothe plugin. Ultimate game changer for taming high end sibilant frequencies for any sound source
Great advice thank you. I'll let you know how it works.
Equing out the offending frequencies really did the trick. Thanks again for the help.
I didn't think about this until watching your video, but all the care people put into shaping their kick/snare close mics ends up getting stepped on by the OH tracks if they're not HPF'ing them out like you're demonstrating in this video.
unfortunately this does not work if you only have a kick mic and 2 overheads :(
It seems like it's technically impossible to get all of the close mics in phase with both overheads if you have an A B pair.
Steve Albini points the overheads over the drummer's shoulder rather than have them over the kit which I've found improves the tone. It makes sense as, as you point out, no one listens to a drum kit from three feet over the top of it.
Nah I dun think so Steve Albini doesn’t talk about over the shoulder mics for metal. That’s more for rock, funk and soul type of sounds ✌🏽
I also put a limter on overhead channel to kill the snare，I wanna know if anybody out there use same trick？
Dynamic EQ sidechained to the original snare I find works wonders for this.
@@israelroy7077 I certainly would try this one out.
L1, EQ, L1 again, tape saturation. simple overheads for me
@@xsonicassassinx May I ask why using 2 L1？
JyunSyut _MEos first to tame skins. Then to tame cymbals. Keeps China’s and stuff good and even. Just barely kiss the tops off of them.
I gave the thumbs up number 666.
Unless you have something like an SM98 on every cymbal from below pointing up with the phase reversed......
. Just High Pass, 800hz and..., UNLESS you're in the studio and know what you're doing ...........
Hone your Gates to the specific attack frequency of your Drums, Ie, your Snare, your Toms, your Floor Tom's,
Especially hone your Gating Dynamic Processing on your Kick Drum and ALWAYS Add EQ AFTER your Dynamic Processing to Shape your Kick Drum Sound, . research Ohms Law if you're not too sure how to use Dynamic Processing ...
As long as it took me to type that, id have established a true STARTING POINT for a Real kick Drum for ANY Genre of music, for a Sound Check.
.. Done,
you're welcome!
What is the point of turning the overheads into a cymbal track AND using actual cymbal tracks?
at that point just mute the overheads, no?
you've never heard a good kit image in your OH tracks? Perhaps its because you are recording cymballers and not drummers. If you want cymbal recordings just spot each cymbal, why bother with OH? OH is really just "stereo image of kit" and can be in front of kit or behind it, pointed at whatever you want to emphasize. People don't listen to drums floating 3 feet above a kit, they also don't have 12 ears that are a few inches away from each drum. If "what people hear" was the basis you could just do a stereo pair at 6 feet off the ground a dozen feet in front of kit to emulate that. Or just emulate what the drummer hears with delay and stereo there.
Jordan and his damn renaissance eq. Bro, there is better plugins now. get ProQ dude.
Its pretty "wrong" to say that this is a method for rock, metal etc ....... Im not trying to be disrespectful at all. Using this method the whole kit sounds unnatural and also pay attention to the cymbal sounds too, with that highpass they got thinner !!!
andy sneaps megadeth mixer/producer also uses this method
probably the worst video i’ve ever seen for mixing overheads
Care to explain why ?
Israel Roy the fact that he’s trying to completely separate the cymbals from the rest of the drums just makes it sound so unnatural. although the drum samples already make it sound unnatural anyway so i guess it doesn’t really even matter. overheads should pick up the whole picture of the kit. A tracking session i worked on last weekend, i didn’t even need to bring toms into the mix, and only a small amount of snare and kick cause the overheads sounded so full. that being said they were nice mics in a nice room
with a nice kit and a balanced drummer. i just feel like everything he says in this video is a no no. but it’s all opinion
@@nicholascowan1731 Yes it could be more nuanced. I usually find I get better kick definition for metal by rolling off low end but sometimes it does sound better with low end OH mixed in.
i'll believe the guy making the big records and take any advice from anywhere. Everything is always with context.
I remember also many others who suggest to highpass by default. Been stucked with this ideology for a few years and suddenly when I found out, warmth was back in the mix !
Thing is many mixers who have been at it for a while, they know by listening what to rectify even though they could be saying otherwise. What they say and what they do is 2 different things.