USMC Pilot/Aircrew? - Thoughts on Marine Aviation.
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- I had a MECEP Package prepared for my on my 3rd deployment. My pilots took me to the simulator and I investigated what the pipeline looked like. I called those guys to get their thoughts recently and share my own on the subject of being a Pilot in the Marines.
Current Marine OCS candidate here. When you sign your contract before sending your application to the Officer Selection Board, that is when you choose a pilot slot. If you’re commissioning as a college graduate, like myself, that’s the best way to go if you want to fly in the Marines.
Appreciate the solid word. Sign of a great Officer 😎🫴❤️
Was there anything in specific that made you more competitive for the aviation assignment? And If so, what exactly did you do in order to secure that MOS?
@@ryanbrown6798 you just tell the recruiter that you want to be a pilot. They put together a package to send to a board of officers that accept each officer candidate. The one thing that sets you apart from everyone else is your Physical Fitness Test score. It’s a 3 mile run, pull-ups, and a plank. The faster you run, the more pull-ups you do, the higher your score, and the higher your chance of getting selected. Once you’re selected, you just go through OCS, and The Basic School, then you head off to flight school.
USMC pilot with 18 years of service here. Your first (and last) point is EXACTLY what people need to hear. I can't tell you how many pilots I've served with who joined the Marine Corps because of the guaranteed pilot slot, NOT because they wanted to be a Marine. It just doesn't work. For the most part those guys were the least successful in the MOS and in the unit, and hated their lives. Its very easy to tell who joined to be a pilot and who joined to be a Marine, and I don't say that as a knock on anyone. Some of the people I'm talking about are close friends, and I know from those friendships that those same folks were miserable in the USMC, and in many cases their lack of a foundational desire to be a Marine Office resulted in poor performance, which resulted in stunted progress in the aircraft, which resulted in a lack of upgrades and qualifications, which ultimately resulted in getting out with such limited hours that it wasn't even a good stepping stone to a civilian aviation career. You will be less successful, less of an asset to your unit, and frankly, more personally miserable if you don't come in with a basic desire to be a United States Marine Corps Officer, first and foremost. And I'm emphasizing the Officer part for the prospective pilots out there, and because its my experience. But the same can be said for enlisted aircrew. If you don't have a basic desire to be a United States Marine, then you may join with an aircrew contract but you will probably hate your time in, and then get out at the end of your enlistment telling everyone how much the Marine Corps sucks. I've seen plenty of Marines who were in that boat too. I don't know why anyone would want to spend 4-5 years of their twenties miserable, so I highly recommend not doing that. On the other hand, if you DO have a basic desire to be a United States Marine, (and all that title entails), then being a pilot or aircrew is among the best possible ways to do your time in the USMC.
I think i might have to join soon due to financial reasons thank you for putting it in these words
Good chance we went in at the same time!🤝 I was with 464 at New River for my 5 years, and did a MEU on the IWO attached to 365, plus a couple other deployments. Appreciate your input and feedback. Mission First. Semper Fi. 🦅 🌎⚓️
Sir, if you would be willing I'd love to talk about what this means. I'm pursuing a commission as a Marine pilot at the moment and any conversation I can have with an educated source would be of great value to me.
I know of at least one exception to you guys Marine first/pilot second rule. My uncle, a man who I have looked up to all of my life, had a very successful career as a Marine Aviator. He knew that he wanted to fly jets from the time he was a little boy. He joined the Marine Corps specifically because of the guaranteed pilot slot. (He was commissioned via the PLC [Aviation] program.) Because of his determination, QUIT is a four-letter word attitude he did better as a Marine than he would have in the Air Force or Navy, but for him flying was the only reason to be in the military. My uncle retired as an O-5 after twenty years of service and went on to fly as a commercial airline pilot for several years after that.
@@johnnolen8338this is the path I wish to follow any tips on how your uncle did this?
Thanks for sharing. My 20 year old son just went in. He wanted no other branch but the Marine Corp. He is now in MOS at Camp Lejune. He told me the other day that it can get frustrating at times but it has been the best life decision he has made so far joining the Marines. I am so PROUD of him.
If he feels like it was the best decision only at times, that means it was the right decision. Semper Fi!
Amazingly helpful and inspiring. I’m trying to decide the best route to get into the Marines and I keep struggling with all the unknowns. “Move forward blindly” really hit hard and I’ll take that advice to heart.
Like I said, every person who made it to getting their wings had No idea that it would happen. They decided to believe and take a shot.
Thanks for sharing. Wish you the best on your pursuit.
I was in MAG-29 04-06. Looking at some of those patches in the background we might have been at New River the same time frame.
Completely agree with you analysis about wanting to be a Marine first. Also fully understand your desire to be close to the ground side.
I had a very fortunate career where I got to serve with all elements of a MAGTF. The Air Wing covered my last years. So glad it was. Gave me complete respect and appreciation to what aviation brings to the Corps.
Thanks again.
S/F
I appreciate your service over your career and there's no doubt we were at beautiful New River at the same time. I loved it when the hard nosed SgtMajors finished their term with us. On every occasion they'd sing our praise as wingers which meant a lot to us because we have such respect for our brothers on the ground. Semper Fidelis. Hoorah.
I found your channel by accident and am overwhelmed by all of the positive comments and replies!
Awesome to hear! I'm glad.
I grew up in a small town in the California desert near NAF, El Centro. My favorite teacher growing up was a retired Marine officer. He fought in the Battle of Chosin during the Korean war. He was a great, great American. At 22, with excellent grades and 100 hours of flight time, I applied for an AOCS slot in the Navy. I was, and still am, a very proud, patriotic American. I love my county. The AOCS process fell apart shortly thereafter when a psycho I knew decided to not take her birth control (immorality was one area I struggled with as a young man.) Thinking I had to "do the right thing," we got married and the Navy told me to "kick rocks." After a brief marriage and two small children, I decided to enlist in the Marines and sign a contract as a C-130 navigator. By then I was 25 years old and working as a middle school math teacher. At the last minute, I finally walked away from my dream of serving my country and did not go into the Marines. My "mission," then, was to be the best father I could ever hope to be. I'm now 60 years old, and all these years later, I can honestly say that I loved being a dad. Fatherhood, I discovered, was the only thing more important than serving my country. In closing, I'm reminded of a Winston Churchill quote from many years ago: "Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never. Except, of course, to convictions of honor and good sense." To this day I still wish I could have served my country, but nothing would have been worth abandoning my two daughters in the process. Thanks for reading, and for your service.
Awesome comment. I have no doubt you made the right move. I have children and I know what they mean to a man. I love your story.
@@merrittorius I appreciated your kind attention to my post. God Bless....and have a great day.
You have served your country. You've given America 🇺🇸 two citizens who have grown into adults and producing are for this country. Your course change is not a loss being that it was due to being a father. Those years I'm sure are irreplaceable.
Semper Fi
CH-53 Mech/Crewchief.
Correction, sir: YOU did serve your country; you are a father. One quibble: I think the most important job in American is to be a good mother. All we should be doing is to support her . . . and keep father in the home too!
Got my medical stuff over to Ft Rucker Aeromed and had my first interview for recommendation today. Went well, got my next one on the 21st and still trying to find a CW to do my one for the Army side. I'm currently active so all I need is a AFS waiver. Ready to get my package done and in for the September board.
Outstanding! Be persistent and pick up the phone on those interviews. Most of those CWs had to go through the same process and will have empathy to you on it. Keep us updated bro.
Great video! I recently became a OCS candidate. From my experience, my office provides candidates an option of what contract they want after being medically qualified. To secure an air contract is much more competitive and requires more work. I had to pass the Aviation Selection Test Battery (ATSB) within 3 tries and have a very competitive PFT score. If you don't pass the ASTB you are still able to earn a ground contract. For all candidates the board wants to see progress and commitment to the program. I known candidates who been in the program from months to years. It all depends on how much you are willing to put down. I am not sure if already graduating or still being a student is a huge factor when being selected, I still have a lot to learn.
Awesome word Connor, stay motivated killer.
Thank you, sir. Truly.
No, thank you. You're too kind.
I graduate TBS in a few months. Our training company has 100/280 air contracts…..only 1 competitive air slot. Company infront of me has 20/250 air guys. Love your stuff/info, thanks man
Appreciate the intel and kind words. Go get it!
Old retired Marine pilot 4 years active 27 reserves, no combat. One month out of flight school and I deployed to sea for the Cuban Missle Crisis in a UH-34D squadron. In my day in Pensacola we had primary in T-34s, Intermeadiate in T'28s thru formation, radio instruments, gunnery and carrier quals. I went, as I requested, thru the helo pipeline which actually included instrument training in a twin engine Beechcraft. The thing that was different for me is that I went straight from college to Pensacola. I had two 2 summers of OCS, a program called Platoon Leaders Class (PLA-AVN). To tell the truth I suffered professionally from never going to TBS. But I retired as a colonel from the reserves, 4 years active, 27 in the reserves. Stopped flying half way thru my reserve time.
I should tell you a story about one daughter. Went to college as a mass communications major, enlisted Marine OCS, went to TBS, befriended a former WM supply sergeant in TBS. After TBS they sent the former supply sergeant to Public Affairs School and my daughter to Supply School. Daughter later married a Marine OV-10 pilot.
Don't give up on the Corps, although Army Huey pilots are the best there are.
SIR! Semper Fidelis. Thank you for your many years in the Corps. Greatly appreciate you popping in and sharing your experience. It means a lot!
I can relate -- After surviving OCS at Quantico I was sent directly to P-cola for USN flight school. Like yourself, I hurt myself professionally by not going through TBS -- although I had no choice in the matter. (Of course, we three AOCs in my OCS platoon were delighted to escape Quantico and start flying!) Flew Sea Knights over a mixed career of active duty and in the reserves as a Marine for 11 years until my reserve squadron was cut in a budget reduction. "Changed religions" and joined the USAR and flew mostly Chinooks for another 14 years on weekends, retiring as a CWO4. Re: your deployment with the UH-34D: I had a good friend in our USMC reserve squadron who would wear a t-shirt under his flight suit that shouted, "When you're outa 34s, you're outa helicopters!" Last bit of useless trivia: A T-28 Trojan aircraft that I flew as a VT-2 flight instructor is currently hanging from the ceiling at the Naval Aviation museum in P-cola. I've been in that museum and checked the BUNO against my now-dusty logbook. So, at last something that I flew will always be "hanging around." No combat; no deployments -- endless admiration and affection for those who served in combat!
KILL! I'm 28 years old going in with age and Lasik waivers. Shitty GPA. The USMC has given me the most attention and help with PT out of any branch I've talked to (Navy and USAF). But if I don't get selected or they don't want me, I will still be able to sleep at night. I like all their aircraft and would be honored to be part of the community. I'm glad I still have time to consider other branches in case plans fall through. Thanks a lot for posting this video brother!
Bro, give your recruiters number out in here! 🤣🤣 Best of luck. Keep in touch on it and let us know either way. Rooting for you bigly. 🤙🤝
😂Somehow I deleted you reply here at 0530 drinking my coffee half awake. Yea, your OSO is good to go with those waivers and still making the push. I've got the same here in Indy with mine. KILL. I wish you the absolute best today dude.
@@merrittorius thanks bro, you too! KILL!
dang dude, I'm prior enlisted, 29 just graduated college with a good GPA in an aviation degree, high scores on ASVAB and ASTB and Marines wont even apply me to a selection board because im 29. said they have too many fully qualified unwaivered applicants.
@Giuseppe Forni I was thinking when I posted this I'm pretty sure I was responding to a Marine going in with and age waiver. Yes, so I'd recommend calling around some more. Or get in touch with this man's recruiter at all costs and pick their brain. So much of this is getting in touch with folks who know what they're doing and what can be done.
In the midst of TBS rn. Heading to Pensacola next. Appreciate the words of encouragement and best of luck on your journey.
Stay motivated, keep pushing. Awesome what you've already accomplished. Don't underestimate yourself. You're capable of getting it done.
Good morning Marine. Adding a bit of perspective from age/experience here. Flunked out of engineering school in 1956 and lost my student deferment. Korean War fraternity brother, USMC, put his arm around me and told me I was going to enlist in the Corps. I did - Senior DI called me a draft dodger, and he was correct - 2 yr Active MC Reserve at that time. Ended up w/ 2nd MAW Cherry Point as radio repairman after switching from 2 yr reserve, to 3 yr regular MC. Marine Corps treated me well my entire 3 years, even though my enlistment originated primarily from a desire to get my draft obligation out of the way, not because I wanted to become a Marine. I served conscientiously wherever the Corps sent me - Atsugi Japan, Formosa in '58, Quantico. Served with a lot of good Marines, and was glad I had chosen the Corps. After I left active duty, went to work in the Defense industry and eventually got my engineering degree. At 89 I've seen a lot of changes - Not only in society, but the military. I fully agree with your assessment about the Corps. Marines have to be versatile, adaptive -
I wish you every success in aviation - There is a need for a lot of good pilots today - Not just in the military, but the commercial sector as well.
Walter! Thank you so much for what you did sir. We are grateful to you and your generation sir. It's an honor to have your input on this channel. The heartiest and most genuine Semper Fidelis to you sir.
I’ll agree that if you just want to fly any service other than the USMC is the way to go. Marines are unique and demand a much bigger commitment to something bigger. And I admire the hell out of that.
Speaking as a 27 yr retired former enlisted turned tailhooker for the Navy, you have to want to be a Marine first. Had the pleasure of flying with Marine aviators in the training command at Corpus. Their Esprit de Corps is something that all should witness.
I had the “pleasure” of old school AOCS with USMC drill instructors in the mid 80’s. I got but just a taste of USMC discipline and attention to detail. It served me well in my time in the fleet as well as my current civilian flying career.
I was approached by the Marines to fly for them while in college but I declined as I knew what the commitment was. I was prior Navy and I stayed Navy.
But looking back I have a twinge of regret of not joining them. But you have to know yourself if you want to tackle this endeavor. Marine first. Then an Aviator. Every Marine is a rifleman, same concept.
Good luck in your decisions. No better flying than for Uncle Sam, you are only young once!!!! Go out there and live life in the cockpit to the fullest!!!!!
GREATLY appreciate your input here sir and thanks for your years. I concur, go after!!
Fair Winds and Following Seas. Hope things go right for you from one of the Skid kids.
The World's Finest US Marine Aviation.
Semper Fi
Thanks brotha. Skid Kids rule. 🤝 SF
I did two MEUs as an avionics tech on the CH-53D; one in the Med another in the Persian Gulf. I thought about the WOFT route, but Kuwait was invaded, so I reenlisted. Having been a Marine, I would have never felt comfortable in an Army uniform. Semper FI, Marine!
There's definitely something to that, the uniform can feel odd at times but there are great people over here, and some prior Marines as well to help the transition.
Understand -- but the beauty of being in aviation is that everyone wears the same baggy flight suit!
I’m 19 about to join as an MP scored a 75 on my retest, and this had always been my goal to fly fighters. Going to be taking classes throughout my contract to get my bachelors by the time I’m done hopefully so I can go into the officer program. Then eventually flight school. Looking forward to being a marine but anything you can tell me. To adjust my plans ? Dope vid
If you have the aptitude I would attend college under the JROTC, get school paid for, and get an aviation contract to start. Getting a degree under active duty in 1 enlistment is NOT a common thing occurrence. Either way, you have goals and aspirations and a plan. That's awesome and a huge positive. Stay motivated regardless of what you do. Stay positive and grateful.
Wow you guys didn't get much flight time. I was a 46 Crewdog for 4 of my 6 years in the Corps. Racked up just short of 2500 hrs. I was a private pilot before joining. I got some front seat time in Phrogs along the way and that just wet my appetite for more time up front. As I ended my 6 year enlistment, the Corps wanted to make me an officer but a maintenance officer. Not a pilot. Needs of the Marine Corps. My age played a part in that too. They were up front on that and made it pretty clear to me. I appreciated that honesty even though it wasn't the answer I wanted. I just couldn't see myself not flying. So, as much as I loved the Corps, I got out. I also thought about going Army and went so far as testing but never pursued it any further. I just couldn't see myself as anything but a Marine. I know that is corny as hell, but I loved the Marine Corps and the Marine aviation culture and didn't want to leave it, but I felt stagnated. You are making great content and good luck as you pursue this new career. I will continue to follow your story and wish you the best of luck. I had a acquaintance I flew with who went this path from Marine helicopter crewchief to Army Apache pilot. You are not the first on that path. Good Luck Brother!
Badass response and great insight. I wasn't a crew cheif. I got my wings after my 1st deployment. Our designated crew cheifs certainly accumulated hours at a much higher rate so I'm not a good indicator. Thanks for your comment and support brother !🤝 HAPPY 4TH🇺🇸
Seriously appreciate you dude. Awesome to see fellow Marines on here. Especially 46 folks, I was there to watch them go out and see the 22s come in. 🥲
@@merrittorius In 1990 or so we landed the entire squadron (264) in the yard at Bell Labs in Texas to look at the first flight test Osprey. So, I had the privilege to get in the first one and in true Marine fashion, bitch about it LOL Years later (Sept 2015) I made the trip to the 46 retirement ceremony at the National Aerospace Museum. They were seriously unprepared for the amount of Phrog Phlyers that showed up. They were prepared for a couple hundred but a couple thousand of us came :) Just think of all the generations of Marines that flew on the same airframes from Vietnam to A-Stan. The old Phrog had a dedicated family of Marines who loved it. It had been 23 years since I had stepped foot on a Phrog but it was like going home. Hearing it fly in. Smelling it. Crazy how much I still remembered about the old gal after so many years. After we all were done for the day they preserved the aircraft and had it in the museum the next day on display. That particular bird had been in my squadron at one time. So, it was nice that a small piece of my personal history is preserved in the museum. The Osprey is an impressive aircraft and the Phrogs had really outlived their lifespan on those airframes. Heck the youngest airframes at the time of retirement were 43 years old but the old girls were nothing if not dependable. It was sad though to see some of the ones I had flown on abandoned by the State Department in A-Stan when we pulled out. Anyway, enough of my rambling. Good luck on your new mission Brother and Semper Fi!
@@chrisalexander2478 I shed a tear watching the last MEU with Phrogs come over New River in 08 I believe. What a sight.
As a grunt I once puked in a 46. Sorry about the mess, still appreciate all the rides!
I’m a Marine in flight school, you can get an aviation contract at the OSO. I did OCC and knew I had an air contract all through OCS and TBS.
Good info brother. Appreciate the input bigly.
What exam you took? Asvab or astb
@@henryserrano6510 I took the ASTB; you will need to take that to get an aviation slot.
You are waved from taking the ASVAB if you have a high enough SAT score. If not, you will need to take the ASVAB to go to OCS- flight contract or not.
@@merrittorius I’m a girl, but you’re welcome 😊
@@huntermaxfieldvinsonhaler6598 🥺🥺 I'm such an idiot. Please accept my apology. Thank you sister. Semper Fi.
Spot on Moto!
Thanks! Appreciate the positivity! MOTIVATE! 😌
Yo I’m in a similar boat former marine (3531) was out for about 4 years and now I’m in the army (15P) putting up a flight packet. I just came across your videos while scrolling UA-cam and have two things I’m curious about, 1. Do you find it easier to find help and support with the army compared to the marines, and 2 what advice could you give. I just got eye surgery done to correct my vision so I can’t do another flt physical for another 3 months. But Im continuing to work on my packet and have a few CW4s lined up that said they would give me LORs they just want to see that I pass a flt physical first.
I just threw up a video on this. Hope it was specific enough. If you've got additional questions hit me up brother. Sf.
Great video and dead on. We're you west coast skids?
East coast 53s. 464
I'm 27 turning 28. I wanted to join the Marines out of high school bc i didn't know what i wanted to do as a career. But i got a scholarship and my father, who was an accountant, was really big into education and rold i would figure it out while i was studying. I did not figure it out and my father died during my sopmore year of college. I dropped to get a job as an EMT and support my mom while my little bro finished high school and went to college. Now my brother has graduated and i have not made any progress except that i am sure i no longer want to work in healthcare anymore. I was always fascinated with flying but never thought about becoming a pilot. I feel its something i can accomplish if not for the military thaen as a civilian at least. But i still want to serve and still feel pulled toward the Marines. Started working out and losing weight while i do more research and decide if I'm gonna enlist in the Marines or finish my degree to commission in the Navy. I might end up doing both.
I'd recommend joining under an aviation contract with ROTC. Navy and Marine Corps aviation have similarities. If something is pulling you towards the Corps it's probably more your speed. Just my general advice. Stay up man. You're a good dude. Wish you the best.
DO NOT BEAT YOURSELF UP ABOUT A SOCIETY-FORMULATED TIME LINE! I enlisted in the Marine Corps at 17 years old and to this day it is my greatest love. However, at 17 years old I did not have the mental maturity to recognize the opportunities that I do now so I squandered enumerable angles on ascension. You're young enough to mature - at your pace - and make the appropriate choices when its the right time: cherish that as a blessing and DO NOT LISTEN TO A LOST WORLD that tells you to speed up! Semper Fi
How old are you? I turned 31 this year, got my two year degree, and landed a Jr. Level tech job last year but it’s not quite what I expected. I went through MEPS for Marine Corps back in 2010 for 0311, however I was disqualified due to making up two high school classes via online for summer school (the irony to modern day learning). I like to think I’m less naive now and know more of what I want in life: having and understanding a purpose in my day to day, to do something exciting, to experience the world, to be able to support myself and family, to be proud of what I do, having the ability and training to assist others that are in need
I'm 37. Having a go at it later in life is possible if you have a network and some evidence of why you should be selected.
Hey, so I just graduated college with an aviation degree (pro pilot). I have commercial multi license and am a cfi. At first my plan was airlines but always had a passion for military aviation. I paid for all of my training from student loans so I know this isn’t the typical route to military, but essentially I want to only fly in the military, I don’t really want to get stuck doing something else because I already went through all this training when I could’ve just went to the airlines. Do you think this is a good idea? I know the marines have a pilot contract you can get before ocs.
I have spoken to multiple airline pilots who are now army aviators in the Guard. They wanted something more. Sounds like since you're asking this question you do too. Hope that helps!
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Putting together an application for a pilots slot as a civilian at the age of 29..I’m super in shape so they told me my age isn’t an issue. I have my private pilots license and good astb scores.
Get it bro 💯
Is it possible to lat move to aircrew? I plan on doing so since I don’t like being in aviation admin at all plus they’re getting rid of my mos in a couple years.
It is definitely possible. I'd ask around to your chain of command (folks you trust or good pilots/officers) and career planners from multiple commands and around reddit and the internet, like you already are.
Im working with a recruiter for joining to become a pilot. He told me I only need the ASVAB, but doing research I found the ASTB is necessary? Can someone give me more information?
Check my newest vid. Should have to take additional testing for pilot slot.
Dammit Mikey you stud.
Call me baby. We need to run the numbers!!! DEALS!!! ACTION!!!!!
@Merrittorius I'm prior enlisted, 29 (need age waiver) just graduated college with a good GPA in an aviation degree, high scores on ASVAB and ASTB and Marines wont even apply me to a selection board because I'm 29. Said they have too many fully qualified un-waivered applicants (I get it). I talked to two national guard recruiters and they both told me I have to enlist first before I can go on a board for pilot. I'm not enlisting again or falling for that trap. My question is, how did you get selected for pilot? Were you still actively enlisted when you applied?
I'm still not on a contract and I've been going through this process since August 2021. Whoever is telling you that is full of it or just doesn't know any better. Find your Warrant Strength and Retention person and talk to them about getting a recruiter who's done age waivers or civilian applicants before this.
I wouldn't sign anything. I haven't.
35yo here Air Force OTS Candidate, recruiter told me if I do make it and I don’t get the call sign “Waiver” then someone in trouble 😂
This was a year ago, how’s everything been??
That's awesome. Lol. Going well! At school now learning how to fly and all the wonderful stuff that comes along with it. How about you?
What is the age limit for prior service members that want to go for National Guard warrant officer helicopter pilot program? I'm 40, could I get a waiver?
That pushing it, but if they want you they'll try. I'm on the high end of the flight school range. At 38 I'm definitely an outlier in my class.
I turned down a navy OCS pilot slot last December. Now in the process of applying to marines as a pilot, recruiter thinks I have a great chance. Now I’m starting to get the uncertainty feeling again. A lot of people online give me that usually line of “if you turned it down get out because someone else would give both nuts for your slot”. I think it’s a load of crap. I’m a little worried about the marine first thing. I love trying hard and enduring shitty situations (distance runner, surfer, backpacker etc…) am I getting in my head? I really want to fly jets but I’m so scared to sign up for a 10 year commitment and take a pay/freedom (of daily activities, leave, living location, etc…) cut. Any advice? I am a pretty indecisive person in general, but I also try hard and apply myself fully to once I’m committed to it. My big question is should I try to join again ( I am certain I will get accepted) so I’m more worried about just commuting to it. A little more background: I’m a GS engineer for a branch of the DoD, have a pretty cool job. Lots of time off, good travel for work (around the world), good working group, make $115k and live in a nice area. I’ve wanted to fly jets my whole life. But I’m terrified to commit to it .
This is an awesome question and I love how open you're being in the process. We have a lot of parallels. I'm a "GS" as well. I have similar hobbies with what some might view as "calculated risks" in undertaking. I'm also "undecisive". This whole, find your passion thing is ambiguous. Now that I'm 37 I've realized I'm the type of person who learns through doing. With all of that being said to get to the heart of your question, I say go for it. After I got done with the Marines, my time at business school, owning my own business, family, homes, the whole thing....I realized I like the military. It suits my personality and who I actually am. We are not like the majority of people in this world. Not that we're better or anything, just different drivers. I think your list of experiences indicate you should push for the slot in the Marines. It's indicating to me that you're that type of person to enjoy it and even thrive in it. You have to ask yourself as well, will I regret not trying this 30 years from now.
Like when you turn 40 and you're making good money sitting around waiting to retire and die, make sure you won't wish you'd went for it because I'm telling you that will be a consideration for people.
Thanks! Yeah I think I’m going to keep going for it. Just hope I don’t get too nervous to pull the trigger on it at the last moment. Honestly mostly scared to tell my bosses I’m leaving because I like them and they like me. Also my girlfriend will definitely break up with me so that is pretty rough too.
@user-yf9qf5qr9x I'm going to say something that will sound harsh....you don't want a girlfriend going through this stuff. My wife of 15 Years went through 3 deployments with me. It isn't easy but she's a great woman, and your girl may be one now but I'm sorry...if she's gonna go over this you're saving yourself time in the long run. It isn't easy. I get it. If yall work through it great. We have a very solid foundation of our faith to keep us going in the down times. It has to be a different kind of relationship and a high quality somewhat independent woman to make it. Good luck.
Swing with the wing!!😉
First and foremost, every Marine is a rifleman. I signed up for Officer PLC program in 1978 and was an "Air Guarantee" candidate (MOS 9998 If I remember) I wanted to fly the AV/8B Harrier. I had 2 flight physicals prior to OCS, one at NAS Willow Grove PA and at Norfolk VA. Passed with 20/15 vision. I get through OCS and at TBS initial physical come up with 20/25 in my right eye. No Harrier for me, then they say you can be a GIB (Guy in the Back) Weapons Officer. Additional note on physical says I have a heart murmur. So I don't get to fly. Half of my TBS class of 235 was '"Air Guarantee". Only 2 Dr's have picked up the murmur my entire life. On my "dream sheet" I list first preference, Infantry. (Yeah, I'm Trans, get over it) I served at the illustrious 1/9 A Co "Walking Dead" then 1st and 4th Recon Bn's. Instead of flying them I was jumping out of them. As long as it's the Marine Breed, you're ok!
Motivate! Semper Fi
Annie, in 1974 I was a Marine flight instructor in the Navy's flight training complex in Pensacola. The first seven female USN flight students were introduced. I flew briefly with two of them: one was an exceptional pilot with the other being safe but only average. (I later learned that the first student had obtained her private pilot's license before joining the Navy although she did not disclose that fact to us. Smart.) Fast forward twenty years: now I'm flying in the Army Reserve with my CO being a female major whose regular civilian jobs was as an acceptance test pilot for Boeing airliners built on the same airport (where our Army Chinooks were based.) I am always quick to mention that all the females I have flown with in both services come to the mission better prepared than most of my male peers.
@@Borzoi86 That's Awesome. They're living my dream. I have NO problem with women, Trans, Gay whatever, as long as they can do their job, aren't given special treatment and don't push crap on anyone else. I just mentioned my situation as there were no female Infantry or Recon Officers when I was in. but if they can get through the training, more power too them as long as they can fireman's carry my wounded fat ass off the battlefield. LOL Semper Fi
I am a HUGE fan of the CH-53 Sea Stallion helicopter can you tell me what it was like flying a Giant Helicopter?
I'll be putting up videos on my time in the Marine Air Wing in the future and I'll try to remember to chat about the 53 platform. It's an incredible aircraft and I am grateful I landed on them when I hit the fleet.
@@merrittorius i'm excited
Flew the CH-53E Super Stallion as a pilot, if we didn't have the maintainers and aircrew we had I'd not be typing right now. Was fun at times, shitters can do a lot. But I don't miss it. WTI was a nightmare.
Ch-53A/D's. A4 Skyhawk background. Transitioned into the 53 about 2 years before retiring. It's a big aircraft and is very responsive. I had a ball flying it. It was a stick and rudder aircraft which kept you on your toes. I went into jets right out of basic flight training as per my request. Seen both sides of the fixed wing and rotary wing. Helo flying can be very challenging. I have no bad thoughts about either side and would suggest you go where your heart leads you. It's a big aircraft and I loved flying it. The newer models are much more sophisticated so I can't tell you anything about them but just say that the ones I flew were a joy. Wishing you the best in your future endeavors..Semper Fidelis.
Can is it possible for someone in one branch to transition to another branch after they complete their contract (for example navy>marines)
Absolutely
@@merrittorius oh cool, I myself is a high school student is interested in the navy, but I also like other branches
hey man, im 20 years old with no former military experience. my dream has always been to fly and its awesome that the army has made it possible for civis. but my question is, how can a young guy like me set up competitive packet vs guys who have been in, guys with outstanding letters of recommendation, etc. how do i compete?
Aswell as what can i do to separate myself? will my age be taken serious (being the fact im a young man)?
Hey man I’m 22 with no former military experience as well but from what I’ve been told is that keeping your grades up as well as having your Private Pilots License can help you become even more competitive.
Your age will be taken into account. In saying that, I've seen a kid coming straight out of high-school have a contract for WOCS and Flight School. Differentiating yourself can be accomplished by performance in school (high-school/college degrees), letters of recommendation, and aviation experience. Not sure what you do for work but having a private liscence or at least some hours in a bird will help.
In 2004, there was an opportunity to enter the Corps with an aviation contract as an officer. I dont know about 2022😂😂
I’m going through the same thing right now. I’m currently studying for my ASTB-E and waiting on my medical examination dates but if all goes smoothly I can go to OCS with an aviation contract.
My only question is when you mention that you have to be a marine first. Does this only apply to those who have gone through enlistment? Or does it also apply to civilians joining the Corps through OCS after graduating from college and obtaining their aviation contract? Just hoping for a better understanding since in my case I’ll be graduating college trying to get an aviation contract before I go to OCS.
@@Tarticgaming I’m a marine in flight school right now. I joined through OCC. If you want more info, feel free to reach out.
@@Tarticgaming I said, "you have to want to be a Marine" meaning more than just a pilot. Being a Marine entails SO much for than just driving aircraft. Cheers.
@@huntermaxfieldvinsonhaler6598 hey there. I just passed my ASTB-E and Officer PFT, and signed my naval aviator contract. Do you mind if I reach out and ask you how it is? I really hope to be flying the Marine Corps' F-35B, but I know it wont be that simple.
Hey so I’m deployed right now with an osprey unit, when I get back I’ll be coming up in my two year mark, I’ve always wanted to be aircrew and I was wondering what lat moving into this field is like or if it’s even a good idea?
Thank you great video
What do you do with the Ospreys?
@@merrittoriusI want to be a crew chief
@riceandbeans8678 Sorry, what part of the aircraft do you support right now? Why not just pursue the AO route instead of an entire lat move?
@@merrittorius because I’m with fuels
@riceandbeans8678 ahhhh, gotcha. My opinion is look to drop a packet and fly in the Army as a Warrant, or get a MECEP packet together in the Corps.
Went through TBS in 2009. Not sure if anything has changed, but no one gets Aviation out of TBS. Those guys had aviation contracts when they left the OSO or graduated the Naval Academy with an aviation seat.
I’m currently at TBS, each company has about 1 pilot slot under a competitive air MOS. However, in the comp air MOS, it also includes UAS and ATC, which must be filled before someone can get the pilot slot.
So in general make sure you've got it before you get to TBS🤣
Good luck btw. Semper Fi
@@merrittorius that’s correct. Only officers who get their MOS at TBS are ground contracts. Law and Aviation don’t have to worry about competing for the top third to get their top MOS choices. However, Marine Aviators do have to compete with their peers for the aviation platform of their choice once they go on to flight school. As you may guess, jets are what most guys and gals want to fly so the competition is fierce I’ve heard. The one thing that is for sure in this video is that you have got to want to be a Marine before being a pilot. If all you desire to do is fly, then you’re better off in the Air Force. All Marine officers are expected to lead Marines and do Marine shit regardless of MOS. All pilots at some point in their careers have to be Air Officers/JTAC qualified at infantry battalions. This time is spent away from the cockpit understanding how the Aviation element works in function of the ground element. In all honesty, after you hit O-4, your MOS is kind of a bonus, because the Marine Corps wants you to focus on becoming a MAGTF officer with emphasis on joint operations.
@@MrUSMCEngineer Appreciate the input. your last point is why I decided to go warrant instead of commission. My desire is to fly and be a technical expert at flying.
Sir, are you make it to WOCS yet?
What?
currently trying to comission to be a usmc pilot. officer recuiters say that I can get an aviation contract before even going to ocs. if I can that'd be nice, if they are full of it then that's fine too because i'd still be a marine. have had many people, ex military included, tell me if I want to be a pilot I should go navy or air force, and I do want to be a pilot but i'd rather be a marine on the ground than a pilot if I could only choose one
RAH!
Marine aviation is Navy aviation. Same with the Coast Guard.
My daughter is heading to OCS soon. Aviation contract. I’m obsessed with learning about what she’ll be going through.
My husband was a Marine in Vietnam. (I know, once a Marine, always a Marine!) My brother was in the Air Force for twenty years, and you remind me of him - straight shooter. Thanks for this great video.
Greg Pappy Boyington, Ted Williams and Frank Petersen etc is Why I Wish I became a Fighter Pilot in USMC. Maybe Next Life Time. Semper-Fi, Guys.
Semper Fi. "Black Sheep"
Will it make a difference if I have prior flying experience and licenses?
Yes, and it makes you a more desirable applicant and may provide a slight academic advantage early on if you don't forget it all through training prior to flight school 🙃
@@merrittorius also! From your experience what is the ratio of fixed wing aircraft to rotary?
@@KOLORADO101Xx 5% fixed
@@merrittorius Holy Jesus 95% helicopters???? !
@@KOLORADO101Xx that's my guess
If you want fly, fly, and fly, then become a Warrant Officer in the Army.
I was in the air wing in the marine corps hated every second of it now im transfering to the army and going rangers or SF
Go get it brother. Had a buddy of mine go Recon from the wing. Wanted a different mission. Motivate.
Get an air contract before going to OCS. Don’t compete for one at TBS.
“needs of the Marine Corps” lol, aint that the truth. I enlisted open contract Nov 2002 hoping and even assuming I would get infantry, ended up AV8B avionics. Coolest fuckin job, got to see and do cool shit, work on flight decks which is a thrill I have yet to experience outside the Marine Corps, be right under a Harrier in a hover out at Bogue, got to see ordnance drop and what that feels like in your chest out at Yuma, AND that MOS is a 5 year contract (long ass schools), I got it with a 4 yr contract. Needs of the Marine Corps aint always bad for you, great video, Semper Fi
Yeah back in the day there was a big chance that you were gonna get helos wasn't there.
Agreed. I asked for infantry and ended up an Ordie eventually air crew on helos. Worked out well! 😀🤝
I wanted to fly fighter jets as a Marine officer but it looks like it just never really panned out, dont' do drugs kids..ha..
So if you wanna fly the marines should be your last option.
Not necessarily. A person should be aware of the additional responsibilities though.
Is helicopter crew officer or enlisted?
Aircrew generally refers to the entire crew. Pilots. Crew Cheifs. Observers. Etc. Pilots are commissioned and Crew Cheifs are enlisted.
@@merrittorius nice, what are the ASVAB requirements for crew chief?
@@jadenspires1891 you'll have to check with the local recruiter on that one. Good luck. Go get it and don't sell yourself short.
@@merrittorius ok thanks, also who are the kind of people who fire machine guns out of the back of a v 22 or ch 53?
@@jadenspires1891 thats the crew cheif, aerial observers. It's what I did on the ch53
I just started Rucker. You there?
Late summer of this year. 🤝
Say hello. #FlyArmy
You gonna be a warrant or an LT?
@Applachian Coconut Warrant. I could've done either but I know the type of person I am at this stage in life.
Simper kill devil
My dad, VMFA-212 out of Kaneohe and Okinawa told me as a kid, "a Marine is a Marine first, then they let me fly F-4s". I hope this hasn't ended. (Also, he said seeing the C-130 successor to the Spooky left him awe. "I'd rather drop bombs or shoot that M
Still the same culture for sure. "Every Marine is a rifleman" Semper Fi!
@@merrittoriusI've never met another branch that made their pilots learn Platoon leadership.
If I'm allowed, Semper Fi!
@@EthanBSide Of course!!!!!!
@merrittorius Do you have ration story? My dad got some MREs in that shit brown plastic from a Ch-46 in tents at 29-Palms while the AF pilots were in a hotel (circa '85). God knows what the grunts lived...
Heyyyyy I see a VMM-365 patch. Das me ☺️
Did a MEU with them back when they were phrogs, HMM. Blue Knights!!
Hope New River and J action Ville are treating you well
Hello sir. Can you help me how to make a complaint in one of your comrade in US Marines if he is one. I can't find any help overseas. Scamming me to send him money. Hope you can read my message even if this is out of topic in your video. Have a blessed day
I am not in a position to help you.
@@merrittorius i understand 👍 😐
I remember what Top told me just before a deployment when my wife was pregnant. "Son, you a Marine First and a daddy second...go pack your trash."
Feeewwww.....isn't that the truth. Top gave me 3 weeks after deployment to tell me I was slotted for 2 dets and the next tour in 4 months. TRUTH!!
I flew with Marine CH-46 pilots as a contractor in Afghanistan. The State Department procured about 10 CH-46's and we needed pilots, keep in mind that these are former Marine aviators. Those guys were the absolute worst, whinny, back stabbing, complaining, morons for the most part. I haven't seen so much drama outside of the TV show, Housewives. Me and all the other former Army pilots hated dealing with those clowns. Now all of the crew dogs were outstanding, but the pilots made Biden look like a genius.
🤣 I got several emails to come and support those contracts. Sounds like I made a good decision in choosing another path. It's like anywhere Dan, good and bad everywhere. I was fortunate that I had some of the absolute best around me.
Ok fight indoctrination IS NOT GRUELING. You better pay attention and apply yourself, but grueling? Naw All other points, spot on.
Appreciate the input. 🤝🤙
Oh, the places you go……..29 Stumps………..🤣
I forgot I even said that and had to go back and re listen.
Was in a hurry earlier responding. Ahhahaha. Ah yes. 29 palms and hitting Palm Springs if possible. The places you'll go. Dr suess must've been a recent pick with the kids before this vid.
Rah f-18 pilot
Big Rah. 🤝
Some folk have dillusions of grandure. Becoming a pilot is not easy. If you struggled with AP Math and the Science, you will really struggle with ground school.
I would say it depends. Some people just need the right motivation to apply themselves.
I just got my new Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle and can't wait to take down something good tonight..I don't think that one of them C-130's can dodge a .50 BMG now can it..especially if you like lead the target..I'm sorry I just kidding guys I kind of have a sick sense of humor..
Hey buddy. I'd probably delete this comment, just for life in the future. We do have a sarcastic sense of humor but there's a line. This is over it. Hope you're well and wish you the best. Stick around.
@@merrittorius Alright dude, I guess that's fair enough.
Tell me if this one is over the line though ok because I found it very funny..'On the 12th day of Ramadan, Uncle Sam gave to me..5 Abrams tanks, 7 Bradley armored vehicles, 10 Humvees, and two C-130 cargo planes..'
At the end of highschool I actually wanted to be a Marine officer and to fly jets, never really panned out, the furthest I got was doing some physical fitness tests down at the Military Entrance Processing Center or MEPS, pullups, pushups, 3 mile run, you also had to tell them the exact amount of hits of weed you ever smoked too. Instead I ended up going down the path of drugs, the years have not been good to Charlie Sheen..
What about attaching JATO rockets to a single engined Cessna or one of those twin engined drug dealing planes to get maximum altitude quick.
Whatever gets the job done.