Wanna hear sacrilege? I am using a 1966 Slingerland stageband kit for modern sounds :/ . It's got the right sizes for me. As you said in this video, when you have the kick set up for modern sounds, there's not a lot of volume difference from the drummers perspective. My solution has been a slightly smaller kick (20x14) to get more attack and midrange and less low end response (I use a remo powerstroke and single ply Ambassador for the reso). I tend to tune my tom batters higher than the resos, to get more bounce and articulation (usually using pretty heavy batters...at the moment I think I've got Emperors...honestly they're a bit much). I used to use a 12x10 rack tom and a 14x14 floor tom (which always seemed too resonant). The Stageband has a 10x8 rack, which doesn't bother me so much even though it's a little less boomy and a 14x10 floor tom which I much prefer. The kit is 3ply oak with no reinforcement rings, so I try to be gentle on it, but I'm typically playing pretty aggressive music, and I tend to be asked to hit pretty hard.
As a Non-Musican 'SOUND GUY'...I enjoy these Vids. They help me with understanding the dynamics of a kit more than just 'ring-y' or 'woody'... I feel that I have a good grasp on the Kick...but having some insight on the Rest of the kit helps me Immensely
I made some comments about your past tuning vids about wanting the 'thunder drum' sound back in the 80's. Your floor tom is EXACLY what I went for. A 'dead' sound with just a bit of resonance. When you did the quick four hits -same sound I had.
This is how I've tuned for a long time now, love to hear the tone sustain live from the Tom's! (In studio it will be too resonant) I eventually ditched the pillow years ago and use a strip of foam you can find at home depot etc for cushion making. It lays on the bottom and touches the bottom of both heads. Also trying the "Simon Phillips Paint Can" but using a sandbag in lieu of. And did I hear you have cymbal content coming?! Been wondering when that would happen, can't wait love your content.
Nice! Yeah, we love the sandbag kick drum hack- super effective! The cymbal series is live now exclusively on our Patreon. We’re releasing monthly episodes for everyone over there plus additional content for upper tiers: sladl.ink/Patreon
Yes! My current setup is an oddball mix of my Vistalite and an early cheapo Yamaha kit combined to make a double kit à la Ginger Baker. Now, since I'm using a stand for the toms, the kicks were not doing anything else than being kicks and while the heavy Vistalite was quite content on doing just that and staying put, the small Yamaha kick didn't want to stick around!! So I ended up throwing a sandbag in it to weigh it down and WOW!! What a sound!! And a few months later I see the video here that confirms I wasn't crazy!! It does make a huge difference!!!
These guys online are something else. Why do they always get such an awesome sound out of their kit? And here I am fighting and scratching to get a good sound. Although when I was in drum School art instructor in tuning class told us that the only bad drum sound is 1 that you don't like. So I guess you have to do what sounds good to you. I have Remo heads on my PDP custom Maple set. White coat Ambassador on the snare and Remo pinstripes on toms. Remo Powerstroke on Kick Drum with pillow inside. For some reason I like a lot of muffling on my Kik. Like the punch. But I like to wind up my snare pretty high. Again I guess it's all a matter of preference
There really isn’t any magic involved. It just comes from being willing to experiment with minute adjustments to find what works for you. We’ve spent countless hours working with these drums (and plenty of others!) and have closed the gap on expectation vs. reality when it comes to tuning approaches. It just takes time and accumulation of experience through frequent practice.
Great Episode! My go-to modern setup is a '60s Gretsch RB with Evans Black Chrome batters on the toms, tuned low. Definitely gives a deep, punchy, pre-eq'ed sound. Some might consider this a blasphemous use of a RB kit, but sound engineers love it.
For a modern punchy kick drum sound I just remove the bass drum entirely and attach the head directly to a hoop and just place a pillow in front for support. Best thing I ever did for my kick sound! You can hear it on all of my videos that have my own music on my channel
I use some vintage gear for modem sounds. I find that aluminum snares can totally do that ultra low down but still cracky tone. I’ve got a 66 Supra, a 74 Acro, and a new 6.5 Hammered Acro, all of which do modern tones real well. I also think the Paiste 2002 series of cymbals are really modern sounding. Besides the K Sweet line, they’re my choice for cymbals.
Hey there! It was sliiiight higher than that - I pressed gently in the center of the head and raised the tension until the wrinkles faded away. Still low, but not flappy. -Cody
Honestly, the kick was the only thing I didn’t agree with. You need it tuned a bit higher, because it sounds way too soft this way. Also, a mapex falcon beater helps alot. Even a vintage styled kit (mapex cherry bomb) has a modern kick with that pedal/beater.
I see where you're going with this sound creation and I was able to achieve that same sound with a Pearl Forum kit ( which I'm pretty sure is made out of pine, cardboard, duct tape, and hope) by using studio X heads and some muffle rings. What I'm getting at is that if this is a sound you're looking for, don't waste money on super expensive drums because you're just gonna choke the life out of them like theses guys did to that Masters kit.
Interesting- you thought these drums sounded like they had the life choked out of them? And yes- you can certainly achieve these sounds from more budget friendly drums.There's often a sacrifice made in quality for other functional aspects but specific sounds rarely come with a price tag, especially when you understand how to work with what you've got. Cheers!
@@SoundsLikeADrum I say they sounded choked because that Masters shell has a really nice tone and sustain and almost all of it was eliminated. Some of it too is personal, I'm not a fan of that relatively dead sound, I like a lively drum.
When I put an EMad on my bass drum, it sounded like a cardboard box. A very small, quiet cardboard box. Possibly a damp, small, quiet cardboard box. Icky. Sounds like it did the same thing to your Pearl Masters drum. It no longer balances with the snare drum because it’s too small of a sound. I hear that in your demo as well as on my kit. If it sounds the same whether you bury the beater or not, what’s the point of using it? You said you were hitting it hard enough to move the drum. You have to do that to get ANY sound out at all. Who wants to play that way? It’s painful. Just say no to EMad.
We disagree almost entirely with your characterization of the sound but that’s totally fine. This had more to do with the tension (just above a wrinkle) and the pillow + port than it did the EMAD itself. We’re quite happy with the range of sounds that can be produced with the EMAD and would often pull the pillow away from the head and tension it up more for a greater amount of tone. That’s not really characteristic of the sound we were going after though. Cheers! -Ben
Sounds Like A Drum Thanks, Ben! I know I’m in a minority as an emad hater. I don’t like the Remo Powerstroke either - the sound or the feel. But they work for lots of folks, so that’s ok. Thanks for the great work you do!
J German No need to be sorry. Tastes are different. But that is exactly the point I tried to make. Maybe read your first comment again and you might know what I mean.
Indeed! It’s traveled so far and seen so many things that we’re considering starting a travel vlog for it...or maybe we need to check out some of the solutions out there...
@Sounds Like A Drum Did you adjust the bass drum spurs to exhibit the little spikes at the end of the feet and did you make sure they are able to bury into the carpet? With some carpets I found that they need to be set up in a certain way for the spikes to be able to dig into the fabric and not slip over it.
@@SoundsLikeADrum A few months ago I purchased a KickBlock on a whim. This is honestly one of those "I can't believe I been playing for so long without one of these" products for me. I didn't realize how much I worried about or dealt with the bass drum creeping away from me until I didn't need to. It added a level of confidence to my playing and quality of sound to my bass drum I didn't know was missing. Give one a go.
I’m working on making a 70’s sonor champion acrylic ready for my road kit for my punk rock band. I got a Ludwig 6.5x14 black beauty tuned high with a die cast top hoop. I’m going for an aggressive big sound. There’s three guitarists and a bass player in the band, and we don’t always have mics for our gear available. So I’m trying to cut through the mix more.
If you play old school, that sound doesn´t help You must think and play in a modern style - less cymbals, more bass-snare and the toms are like pepper on the meal. Less is more, that was totally different 30 years ago when you played 10 concert toms.
I've already once written about my 6-lug snare on your Instagram - it got a new life with a Evans Hydraulic Red. But I also use a birch 16" floor tom with a pinstripe batter and a rugged coated batter just laid on top of it in reverse for a modern, "sample-like" ting.
Modern adjustments/sounds from a kit can only take you so far. Its all in the recorded production. But as usual, you guys did a superb job of achieving the "Swiss army knife" sound set up 👍
Talking about using a vintage kit for modern sounds, I have a vintage MIJ kit that has an EMAD on the kick and G2 coated on the toms. It also has a HD dry on the snare. I mostly put those heads on them because they're what I had lying around, and I gotta say, I love modern-ifying this kit that's older than me. Getting that nice attack from thin shells is something I hadn't expected. They sound amazing, and look even better. This was the perfect follow up from the previous vintage video to show how versatile a drum kit is. Thank you!
Kevin Herrington- I put a Powerstroke 3 clear batter and P3 coated resonant on my vintage Stewart 20x14 bass drum, and I kid you not, it sounded just as good as the DW collectors 20x14 kick that was set up at my local drum shop. Those thin luan shells sound great if the bearing edges are in tact.
I watched a loooot of your videos past months and enjoy them a lot because of high quality content, "real sounding" recording, and clear explanation of physics involved... So thanks a loooot! I am glad and comforted to see that I ended up with almost the same heads and settings after few years of experimentation, just Pin Stripes on toms as a difference, but I will definitely try G2s as I tend to become an Evans man... Just one question about batter snare heads : I also use HD Dry and like them a lot. But sometimes it can be a bit "dead" for soft hits. Which head would you recommend to open the sound just a bit more? Genera (Dry), ST (Dry), Hydraulic, Onyx, G2, or else?... Snare is a 90's Tama Power Metal Snare. And a friend of mine, in same situation, has a Supra... Both 14x6,5... Thanks in advance for your answer!
Great Video guys, I am curious to know if you guys keep drum samples from the videos you take? I can imagine you would have a HUGE catalog of tones! Please let me know if I can purchase this anywhere? Keep up the great work!
Your a master at tunning Cody,whether it be vintage or modern,you always make the kit sound great.I haven't ported a bass drum head since the late 70s when I got my first DW kit.It came with the bass head having 6 little holes on the reso side, there pillow and version of ps3 heads with a smaller inlay strip around the bass drum.after finger tight about a half or tad less turn and the sound is magic.I played out live for along time putting an akgD112 about 4 inches away from one of those small holes and the sound man loved and you definitely heard it in the audience. John Good told me that he discovered that years ago when he was roady that when the drummer had a large hole in the kick,you would LOOSE about 20 percent of the punch.I been using this method for many years,thought I would share my experience. Sure enjoy, and look forward to the next episode's.
What's that cymbal on the wall at the back ? It look's like a twin of my Hayman which I've had since 1977. Still today it's a super crash/ride with a cutting bell.
Thanks for your reply . Don't forget with some vintage drums the problem of 'imperial' sizes. Evans don't make 'imperial' sizes no more, at least not the Hydraulics in the UK. That cymbal does look a bit 'Paistey' on my screen . I dig you young'uns laid back style in your quest for knowledge . Well done . It's good to see .
@@jamesmills4931 My pleasure! With regards to head sizes, Evans wouldn't be able to sell enough imperial-sized heads to justify the $40k+ molds and additional machinery for each size so that shouldn't really be a surprise. (I know this from my 6 years at D'Addario). Interesting as to your impressions of the Paiste vibes with that cymbal. It was made by Zildjian but the work done is very much in the school of Roberto Spizzichino. Check out more of Jesse's work here: ua-cam.com/channels/XCKvFKQHiYG1NXqDZz8odg.html
I just checked out Jessie , I couldn't see his snare but He's got my drums - my old premiers . Unbelievable , but I've got more and I modernized mine back in the 80's . Wow .
Sounds Like A Drum I’m more of a vintage kinda person but for that I’d probably use something like clear hydraulics on top and maybe a diplo on the bottom
I have 2 different sets, and they are set up dramatically different. Set 1: Yamaha stage custom birch. Coated remo ambassador on top of the toms. Clear stock heads on the bottoms. Tuned high for a retro bebop sound. Bass is muffled, but tuned up as well. Set 2: Verve, set was donated to my brother but I used it a lot!!!! Remo pinstripe on top. Factory heads on bottoms. The bass drum is not muffled what so ever. Tuned medium low for power, a little bit of sustain, and maximum smackage!!! Which set up I take, depends on the gig.
Are you suggesting I run out and buy a mic?? I do not have one so why would I want to watch this.. Note. This vid is for guys with mics, the rest of us just have to have base drums that suck.
Just watched the vintage and the modern episode. I absolutely agree with Cody's head selection and the stuff he talks about, but in my experience and opinion, "the modern" is mostly defined through post processing and stylistic approach to drumming and doesn't mainly come down to the gear that is used. Steve Gadd, for instance, will always sound a bit vintage (no matter his equipment of choice) because his playing is balanced, contained, light and airy. "The vintage" perception in this sense is more strongly linked to the drummer's touch as it is to the gear that the drummer is using. When I think of modern drummers (let's say Travis Barker, Mike Portnoy or anyone from the metal scene), I would say that their sound (modern, I guess) is more a combination of their style (aggressive, fast, and quite often acoustically unbalanced) and, even more crucial, professional post-production (aiming for a very specific sound) which aims for cleanliness, articulation, heavy compression. The resulting sound (larger-than-life snare, kick-in-the-gut bass drum and tamed cymbals) as we all know, has little to do with what originally comes in those overheads :)
Totally understand where you’re coming from. Though, does this mean that a “modern sound” has to be a recorded one? Is it not possible to achieve such a sound acoustically? That’s what we were going for here, recognizing that not everyone is recording their drums.
@@SoundsLikeADrum Head selection and appropriate tuning definitely paves the way towards a desired sound and creates the basic feeling (modern, vintage, disco, electro, etc) a drummer gets from his equipment in an acoustic environment. It is the first step in getting there, no doubt about it.
great episode and great follow up to "vintage sounds"! I think you did a great job of summarizing and capturing the basics of both. Thanks!
Thanks so much!
Wanna hear sacrilege? I am using a 1966 Slingerland stageband kit for modern sounds :/ . It's got the right sizes for me. As you said in this video, when you have the kick set up for modern sounds, there's not a lot of volume difference from the drummers perspective. My solution has been a slightly smaller kick (20x14) to get more attack and midrange and less low end response (I use a remo powerstroke and single ply Ambassador for the reso). I tend to tune my tom batters higher than the resos, to get more bounce and articulation (usually using pretty heavy batters...at the moment I think I've got Emperors...honestly they're a bit much). I used to use a 12x10 rack tom and a 14x14 floor tom (which always seemed too resonant). The Stageband has a 10x8 rack, which doesn't bother me so much even though it's a little less boomy and a 14x10 floor tom which I much prefer. The kit is 3ply oak with no reinforcement rings, so I try to be gentle on it, but I'm typically playing pretty aggressive music, and I tend to be asked to hit pretty hard.
This is ace.
As a Non-Musican 'SOUND GUY'...I enjoy these Vids. They help me with understanding the dynamics of a kit more than just 'ring-y' or 'woody'... I feel that I have a good grasp on the Kick...but having some insight on the Rest of the kit helps me Immensely
Evans dry snare head is my favorite, glad you talked about it! You do have to keep it in tune, but it lasts a long time!
I made some comments about your past tuning vids about wanting the 'thunder drum' sound back in the 80's. Your floor tom is EXACLY what I went for. A 'dead' sound with just a bit of resonance. When you did the quick four hits -same sound I had.
I'd love to see a video where you guys talk about some of your favourite drummers or drum sounds.
We chat about that a lot in our live-streams on Instagram and within our Patreon discussion group!
This is how I've tuned for a long time now, love to hear the tone sustain live from the Tom's! (In studio it will be too resonant) I eventually ditched the pillow years ago and use a strip of foam you can find at home depot etc for cushion making. It lays on the bottom and touches the bottom of both heads. Also trying the "Simon Phillips Paint Can" but using a sandbag in lieu of.
And did I hear you have cymbal content coming?! Been wondering when that would happen, can't wait love your content.
Nice! Yeah, we love the sandbag kick drum hack- super effective! The cymbal series is live now exclusively on our Patreon. We’re releasing monthly episodes for everyone over there plus additional content for upper tiers: sladl.ink/Patreon
Yes! My current setup is an oddball mix of my Vistalite and an early cheapo Yamaha kit combined to make a double kit à la Ginger Baker. Now, since I'm using a stand for the toms, the kicks were not doing anything else than being kicks and while the heavy Vistalite was quite content on doing just that and staying put, the small Yamaha kick didn't want to stick around!! So I ended up throwing a sandbag in it to weigh it down and WOW!! What a sound!! And a few months later I see the video here that confirms I wasn't crazy!! It does make a huge difference!!!
@@SoundsLikeADrum OK updated my Patreon account and going to check it out, appreciate what you do!
These guys online are something else. Why do they always get such an awesome sound out of their kit? And here I am fighting and scratching to get a good sound. Although when I was in drum School art instructor in tuning class told us that the only bad drum sound is 1 that you don't like. So I guess you have to do what sounds good to you. I have Remo heads on my PDP custom Maple set. White coat Ambassador on the snare and Remo pinstripes on toms. Remo Powerstroke on Kick Drum with pillow inside. For some reason I like a lot of muffling on my Kik. Like the punch. But I like to wind up my snare pretty high. Again I guess it's all a matter of preference
There really isn’t any magic involved. It just comes from being willing to experiment with minute adjustments to find what works for you. We’ve spent countless hours working with these drums (and plenty of others!) and have closed the gap on expectation vs. reality when it comes to tuning approaches. It just takes time and accumulation of experience through frequent practice.
Great Episode! My go-to modern setup is a '60s Gretsch RB with Evans Black Chrome batters on the toms, tuned low. Definitely gives a deep, punchy, pre-eq'ed sound. Some might consider this a blasphemous use of a RB kit, but sound engineers love it.
Way cool! If it gets the sound you’re looking for, that’s what matters.
For a modern punchy kick drum sound I just remove the bass drum entirely and attach the head directly to a hoop and just place a pillow in front for support. Best thing I ever did for my kick sound! You can hear it on all of my videos that have my own music on my channel
I use some vintage gear for modem sounds. I find that aluminum snares can totally do that ultra low down but still cracky tone. I’ve got a 66 Supra, a 74 Acro, and a new 6.5 Hammered Acro, all of which do modern tones real well. I also think the Paiste 2002 series of cymbals are really modern sounding. Besides the K Sweet line, they’re my choice for cymbals.
Thanks again for a great video. Keep up the good work!
good video, just I would like to know what is mic of kick drum ? it's nice I like it.
sorry for my english, I'm french ;)
I love this
stacks! stacks! stacks!
ua-cam.com/video/meMcoSruJlo/v-deo.html
From the Vintage Episode if you want to A/B between tabs. :)
I like that Fat Hats
We do too! Some of our favorite hi-hats, particularly for modern sounds.
Was the kick reso head tuned the same way as the batter? (Just finger tight)
Hey there! It was sliiiight higher than that - I pressed gently in the center of the head and raised the tension until the wrinkles faded away. Still low, but not flappy. -Cody
Honestly, the kick was the only thing I didn’t agree with. You need it tuned a bit higher, because it sounds way too soft this way. Also, a mapex falcon beater helps alot. Even a vintage styled kit (mapex cherry bomb) has a modern kick with that pedal/beater.
Feels weird being early
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Damn!
I see where you're going with this sound creation and I was able to achieve that same sound with a Pearl Forum kit ( which I'm pretty sure is made out of pine, cardboard, duct tape, and hope) by using studio X heads and some muffle rings. What I'm getting at is that if this is a sound you're looking for, don't waste money on super expensive drums because you're just gonna choke the life out of them like theses guys did to that Masters kit.
Interesting- you thought these drums sounded like they had the life choked out of them? And yes- you can certainly achieve these sounds from more budget friendly drums.There's often a sacrifice made in quality for other functional aspects but specific sounds rarely come with a price tag, especially when you understand how to work with what you've got. Cheers!
@@SoundsLikeADrum I say they sounded choked because that Masters shell has a really nice tone and sustain and almost all of it was eliminated. Some of it too is personal, I'm not a fan of that relatively dead sound, I like a lively drum.
When I put an EMad on my bass drum, it sounded like a cardboard box. A very small, quiet cardboard box. Possibly a damp, small, quiet cardboard box. Icky. Sounds like it did the same thing to your Pearl Masters drum. It no longer balances with the snare drum because it’s too small of a sound. I hear that in your demo as well as on my kit. If it sounds the same whether you bury the beater or not, what’s the point of using it? You said you were hitting it hard enough to move the drum. You have to do that to get ANY sound out at all. Who wants to play that way? It’s painful. Just say no to EMad.
We disagree almost entirely with your characterization of the sound but that’s totally fine. This had more to do with the tension (just above a wrinkle) and the pillow + port than it did the EMAD itself. We’re quite happy with the range of sounds that can be produced with the EMAD and would often pull the pillow away from the head and tension it up more for a greater amount of tone. That’s not really characteristic of the sound we were going after though. Cheers! -Ben
Sounds Like A Drum Thanks, Ben! I know I’m in a minority as an emad hater. I don’t like the Remo Powerstroke either - the sound or the feel. But they work for lots of folks, so that’s ok. Thanks for the great work you do!
If you want a modern drum sound just buy a Roland TR-808. Simple.
In order to get our acoustic drums to have a modern sound you're recommending we buy a 40 year old drum machine? 🤔
@@SoundsLikeADrum Well don't ask me, talk to Metro Boomin!
hd dry forever.
You lost me at EMAD. You don't need a kick drum head that buries all the high end of the drum. Put a clear Ambassador on it!!! Jesus!!
J German
You certainly don’t NEED to. But what, if you WANT to?
@@flocore I've tried it live and recording. I didn't find it useful. Sorry.
J German
No need to be sorry. Tastes are different. But that is exactly the point I tried to make. Maybe read your first comment again and you might know what I mean.
Rumour has it that the kick drum is still escaping to this day
Indeed! It’s traveled so far and seen so many things that we’re considering starting a travel vlog for it...or maybe we need to check out some of the solutions out there...
@@SoundsLikeADrum Bassy Neistat
@Sounds Like A Drum Did you adjust the bass drum spurs to exhibit the little spikes at the end of the feet and did you make sure they are able to bury into the carpet? With some carpets I found that they need to be set up in a certain way for the spikes to be able to dig into the fabric and not slip over it.
@@flocore Unfortunately, this drum rug just isn't doing the one job it has. Need to look into alternative options.
@@SoundsLikeADrum A few months ago I purchased a KickBlock on a whim. This is honestly one of those "I can't believe I been playing for so long without one of these" products for me. I didn't realize how much I worried about or dealt with the bass drum creeping away from me until I didn't need to. It added a level of confidence to my playing and quality of sound to my bass drum I didn't know was missing. Give one a go.
I’m working on making a 70’s sonor champion acrylic ready for my road kit for my punk rock band. I got a Ludwig 6.5x14 black beauty tuned high with a die cast top hoop. I’m going for an aggressive big sound. There’s three guitarists and a bass player in the band, and we don’t always have mics for our gear available. So I’m trying to cut through the mix more.
If you play old school, that sound doesn´t help You must think and play in a modern style - less cymbals, more bass-snare and the toms are like pepper on the meal. Less is more, that was totally different 30 years ago when you played 10 concert toms.
Im a fan of a vintage bassdrum vintage middle tune snare with modern toms im a eclectic player
I've already once written about my 6-lug snare on your Instagram - it got a new life with a Evans Hydraulic Red. But I also use a birch 16" floor tom with a pinstripe batter and a rugged coated batter just laid on top of it in reverse for a modern, "sample-like" ting.
Modern adjustments/sounds from a kit can only take you so far. Its all in the recorded production. But as usual, you guys did a superb job of achieving the "Swiss army knife" sound set up 👍
Hey, Great Video, Great Production! Follow up video can be 80’s Pop Sound! Thanks!
Sounds perfect to me! Thanks! I'm more of a "looking forward" type of guy than a nostalagy guy.
Talking about using a vintage kit for modern sounds, I have a vintage MIJ kit that has an EMAD on the kick and G2 coated on the toms. It also has a HD dry on the snare. I mostly put those heads on them because they're what I had lying around, and I gotta say, I love modern-ifying this kit that's older than me. Getting that nice attack from thin shells is something I hadn't expected. They sound amazing, and look even better. This was the perfect follow up from the previous vintage video to show how versatile a drum kit is. Thank you!
Kevin Herrington- I put a Powerstroke 3 clear batter and P3 coated resonant on my vintage Stewart 20x14 bass drum, and I kid you not, it sounded just as good as the DW collectors 20x14 kick that was set up at my local drum shop. Those thin luan shells sound great if the bearing edges are in tact.
This is how God tunes toms.
Yesssss thank you!
I watched a loooot of your videos past months and enjoy them a lot because of high quality content, "real sounding" recording, and clear explanation of physics involved... So thanks a loooot!
I am glad and comforted to see that I ended up with almost the same heads and settings after few years of experimentation, just Pin Stripes on toms as a difference, but I will definitely try G2s as I tend to become an Evans man...
Just one question about batter snare heads : I also use HD Dry and like them a lot. But sometimes it can be a bit "dead" for soft hits. Which head would you recommend to open the sound just a bit more? Genera (Dry), ST (Dry), Hydraulic, Onyx, G2, or else?... Snare is a 90's Tama Power Metal Snare. And a friend of mine, in same situation, has a Supra... Both 14x6,5... Thanks in advance for your answer!
Great Video guys, I am curious to know if you guys keep drum samples from the videos you take? I can imagine you would have a HUGE catalog of tones!
Please let me know if I can purchase this anywhere?
Keep up the great work!
Your a master at tunning Cody,whether it be vintage or modern,you always make the kit sound great.I haven't ported a bass drum head since the late 70s when I got my first DW kit.It came with the bass head having 6 little holes on the reso side, there pillow and version of ps3 heads with a smaller inlay strip around the bass drum.after finger tight about a half or tad less turn and the sound is magic.I played out live for along time putting an akgD112 about 4 inches away from one of those small holes and the sound man loved and you definitely heard it in the audience. John Good told me that he discovered that years ago when he was roady that when the drummer had a large hole in the kick,you would LOOSE about 20 percent of the punch.I been using this method for many years,thought I would share my experience. Sure enjoy, and look forward to the next episode's.
"modern" drum sounds, hmm? the only thing you didn't capture perfectly was the 15 pieces of brass 😅😂
What's that cymbal on the wall at the back ? It look's like a twin of my Hayman which I've had since 1977. Still today it's a super crash/ride with a cutting bell.
That’s a cymbal that our good friend Jesse Simpson modded for me! -Ben
Thanks for your reply . Don't forget with some vintage drums the problem of 'imperial' sizes. Evans don't make 'imperial' sizes no more, at least not the Hydraulics in the UK. That cymbal does look a bit 'Paistey' on my screen . I dig you young'uns laid back style in your quest for knowledge . Well done . It's good to see .
@@jamesmills4931 My pleasure! With regards to head sizes, Evans wouldn't be able to sell enough imperial-sized heads to justify the $40k+ molds and additional machinery for each size so that shouldn't really be a surprise. (I know this from my 6 years at D'Addario). Interesting as to your impressions of the Paiste vibes with that cymbal. It was made by Zildjian but the work done is very much in the school of Roberto Spizzichino. Check out more of Jesse's work here: ua-cam.com/channels/XCKvFKQHiYG1NXqDZz8odg.html
I just checked out Jessie , I couldn't see his snare but He's got my drums - my old premiers . Unbelievable , but I've got more and I modernized mine back in the 80's . Wow .
I mean the drums in the first vid. are coincidentally the same as what I play .
To attain a focused & warm sound on my toms I use coated cs remos on the resonant side and vintage ambassadors for the batter.
Norman Louis I always use cs heads for my resos too! I just use clears and coated emperors on top, I never likes cs heads on top lol
What about a brighter, punchier modern sound?
Sounds Like A Drum I’m more of a vintage kinda person but for that I’d probably use something like clear hydraulics on top and maybe a diplo on the bottom
I have 2 different sets, and they are set up dramatically different. Set 1: Yamaha stage custom birch. Coated remo ambassador on top of the toms. Clear stock heads on the bottoms. Tuned high for a retro bebop sound. Bass is muffled, but tuned up as well. Set 2: Verve, set was donated to my brother but I used it a lot!!!! Remo pinstripe on top. Factory heads on bottoms. The bass drum is not muffled what so ever. Tuned medium low for power, a little bit of sustain, and maximum smackage!!! Which set up I take, depends on the gig.
Firs ... ah dang. SECOND!
Are you suggesting I run out and buy a mic?? I do not have one so why would I want to watch this.. Note. This vid is for guys with mics, the rest of us just have to have base drums that suck.
Just watched the vintage and the modern episode. I absolutely agree with Cody's head selection and the stuff he talks about, but in my experience and opinion, "the modern" is mostly defined through post processing and stylistic approach to drumming and doesn't mainly come down to the gear that is used. Steve Gadd, for instance, will always sound a bit vintage (no matter his equipment of choice) because his playing is balanced, contained, light and airy. "The vintage" perception in this sense is more strongly linked to the drummer's touch as it is to the gear that the drummer is using. When I think of modern drummers (let's say Travis Barker, Mike Portnoy or anyone from the metal scene), I would say that their sound (modern, I guess) is more a combination of their style (aggressive, fast, and quite often acoustically unbalanced) and, even more crucial, professional post-production (aiming for a very specific sound) which aims for cleanliness, articulation, heavy compression. The resulting sound (larger-than-life snare, kick-in-the-gut bass drum and tamed cymbals) as we all know, has little to do with what originally comes in those overheads :)
Totally understand where you’re coming from. Though, does this mean that a “modern sound” has to be a recorded one? Is it not possible to achieve such a sound acoustically? That’s what we were going for here, recognizing that not everyone is recording their drums.
@@SoundsLikeADrum Head selection and appropriate tuning definitely paves the way towards a desired sound and creates the basic feeling (modern, vintage, disco, electro, etc) a drummer gets from his equipment in an acoustic environment. It is the first step in getting there, no doubt about it.