Toyota Tacoma | Is Reliability Everything?
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- We discuss the changes to the new 2024 Toyota Tacoma, the loss of the V6, and known reliability. As truck prices climb, the feature set continues to grow, but is that what people want? Would you take this or the Nissan Frontier, Ford Ranger, or Chevy Colorado?
#cars #truck #engineering
Index:
00:00 Interior and Exterior
2:49 Mechanical Changes Explained
11:07 Driving Impressions
17:18 Final Thoughts - Авто та транспорт
When your brand is reliability, reliability is everything. Toyota has no other advantage over other brands with their trucks.
Toyota has a fairly decent advantage in the hybrid space, regardless of reliability
@@chibbyylol The issue in their trucks will certainly cause skepticism among new customers now across all platforms. Look at how they are treating Tacoma owners. Theyre doing a short block band aid and relying on techs to rip apart your entire front end which by the way, has been a disaster. Many people are reporting damage to frames and even needing new transmissions which is suspected to be either a new TSB OR another recall.
Why pay the Toyota tax when there is a risk of critical defects in workmanship and you can go cheaper elsewhere and deal with the same recall nonsense?
We all know what that toyota tax is. A dealer refuses to even budge on going below MSRP or even worse, forces market adjustments. Imagine crawling through glass just to pay MSRP which is already inflated for a brand that is no longer undisputed in reliability.
People are going to ask these questions now.
@@BorderTurrets toyota truck divison isn't toyota in its entirely. Someone buying a camry isn't going to care about whether the tundra is reliable or not lol
@@chibbyylol Okay, lets see how your logic plays out over time.
@@chibbyylol Toyota shills like you are why customers wont be treated right. Even when they spit in your face, you say "thank you master".
My local dealer had an SR5 4wd for $48,000. People are out of their minds to pay these prices.
Still rocking my 03 Ford Ranger 4x4 with 4L v6, doesn’t burn oil, and I get 19mpg with it. (I did have to have the transmission rebuilt) but I mean it has 260,000 miles on it 🤷♂️ otherwise everything still works, manual locks manual windows, AC etc. DURABILITY over gadgets and “luxuries” I don’t care about.
Unfortunately, these are the current market prices. My Ram Rebel (fully loaded) 2024, came to 71k.
Unless you get a barebones truck (intended only for work) as opposed to a family hauler (which is what use the Rebel for) you are paying luxury SUV money 😂
@@DamnManSamNo, YOU'RE paying it.
@@DamnManSamyeesh you'd have to put a gun to my head to admit I over paid for Stellantis garbage.
@@burntvirtue it was a figure of speech. Obviously, I am paying it 😂
For Toyota, reliability IS everything. If they lose that, there’s no reason not to buy a different brand with better technology and value for money.
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If Toyota’s reliability has fallen, you can bet your bottom dollar everyone else’s has too…
@@hsew Toyota has been overrated for years if you havent noticed.
This comment implies they're automobiles are completely not competitive outside of durability. If you don't like their brand that's fine. Toyota has some old products namely the RAV4 and Corolla now. Everything else is all around very competitive. They don't price these products with their eyes closed folks.
@@bigcjmthey’re not competitive other than durability, that is literally the only advantage they have. They’re behind on technology, efficiency, driving dynamics, performance and price
The year is 2035. You're looking for a new tacoma. The 2035 model is all new with two options: a 1.3L turbo hybrid and a fully electric, both producing 578hp. The 1.3L turbo only charges the battery as gas engines are banned. You opt for the base model SR. It has mutli link front and rear suspension with adaptive air shocks that make it corner better than a Ferrari but also electronically controlled ride height and braking pressure that an onboard AI automatically controls via 27 camera sensors. The car also comes with18 types of terrain adjustment, heated, cooled, pressurized and self-cleaning seats as well as a subscription to self-driving, self-parking, and off-roading (beta). You scream "wow what a deal" as you put down $3000 for a 128 month loan at 3.99%. You drive away, smiling in your new $148,000 base model Tacoma until 20 minutes later when one of the AI controlled tilted seat actuators short circuit with the wiring harness for the electronic tailgate raiser control unit, causing the truck's check engine light to come on and the engine to shutoff.
Toyota denies your warranty claim. They say driving a truck in "serious off road situations", such as on roads with potholes, voids the warranty.
The repair costs $37,950. You decide to buy a bike instead.
You had me until the repair cost was only 38k.
Silly rabbit. Riff raff like you won't be allowed to drive once the God's see your credit score!
Decisions must be made… fork over rhe 38k towards repairs or allow the engineered obsolescence to take its course in 2040 and buy the “upgraded” twin turbo 1.1 ltr in space blue. 🤔
High level shitpost right here. Well done!
Your depiction of America's dystopian future is almost disturbingly accurate.
a lot of ppl online acting like toyota didn't spend literal years doing recalls on the outgoing Tacoma
You never see 1st gen Tacos anywhere they salt roads. Rangers of similar vintage were far better trucks. But yet Toyota gets fluff pieces about their new products, while their other new products are messing the bed on the reliability.
I didn't buy the previous gen Tundra early on because they had a lot of issues and cost more than a Silverado.
However, the Turbo V6 issues in the Tundra is a huge blunder.
@@PeakDeclineFrames rotting in half are dismissed as a minor defect. But If another brand did that, they'd be out of business.
Still less recalls than the Cyber truck 😂
Trucks absolutely have lost the plot as of late - none of them are worth the astronomical prices they are asking for, especially the new Tacomas.
Stop crying. Stagflation affects everything not just Tacomas. Accept the new reality that prices will never go back to what they were. It’s called global liquidity cycles and money printing permanent eroded fiat currency over time. There won’t be new cars under $20k and then in the future no new cars under $25k and then $30k.
@@I_discovered_civilizationYou think you're the smartest guy in the room, but you're not.
@@I_discovered_civilization Stagflation? Just because you enjoy overpaying for trucks doesn't mean everyone else does.
@@denshidirect3182 cry all you want you won’t have a choice lol
@ADUSN He's right though. The product planners at Toyota are smarter than you and know the market better than you. If this were the wrong strategy, at least 1 company would be doing something different.
Looks TUFF in the Arby’s drive thru
Unsubscribed because of obnoxious plastic use in this vid
5 for 5!!!
Exactly
@@WhiteLivesMatterPLwhat you mean?
tough?
The Ridgeline does everything that 95% of “real truck” owners do with their trucks.
You're right... except truck people don't consider it to be an actual truck
Everyone seems to need an F250 so they can haul 4 bags of mulch every spring.
@@terrymac6866 The wife's SUV hauls the mulch bags. The truck is reserved for posing on 35's.
How do you know what “real truck owners” do with their trucks? 😃
My truck history includes: Toyota Hilux, Ranger, Silverado 2500, Ram 2500, & Ridgeline. My current truck is the Ridgeline, a normally asperated V-6, that does everything I need it to do. You don't really buy mid-size trucks to do any heavy duty towing the other year I pulled a trailer to Alaska and back, so just saying the AWD Ridgeline is good enough without worrying about Tacoma reliability/price.
The more truck design evolves, the further back I have to go to find a good one.
That "outdated" Frontier platform is looking very sensible these days.
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After owning a Land Rover, I have never made a purchase that reliability wasn’t my main reason for the purchase.
LOL and I'll bet you love the idea of excessive electronics in a 4x4 now, too. 😂
Debt is slavery.
nothing is ever owned outright, everything is paperwork and once you stop filling it out the gov will be knocking on your door
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Shut up, Dave.
You will eat cricket bread and own nothing
Good point
Chicago streets provide equivalent dynamic testing to off roading.
Consider this:
TFL truck channel has a video of a million mile Nissan Frontier. It's in the Nissan museum now. That truck spent its life doing daily delivery work in Chicago. That's a great testimony. When it rolled over the million miles mark, Nissan gave the guy a brand new one. Top that, Toyota.
Let's be honest, 9/10 ppl who buy these just use it as a car to haul groceries and to go 10 under the speed limit on the left lane
90%+ are only used to haul the driver. Groceries are hauled by the wife's Tahoe or Suburban.
In my experience, Tacoma and 86 are the only 2 Toyotas with drivers who aren't completely oblivious and inept.
It's like this for most massive trucks. People drive slow as a flex trying to get more people to see their poor financial decisions.
@@austen8078 Trucks are heavy with a lot of body roll. Trying to hustle them around like a sedan sucks. Driving slower is more comfortable.
Quintessential Tacoma owner!
As a Ridgeline owner I felt personally attacked, Jack. 😉
Payload of 1475lbs, tows 5000lbs max. It has a smidge more payload than the Ram 1500 it replaced.
I'm just freaking amazed that you guys are the ones that provided the reasoning for why TFL's axle failed. I've been wanting to know the reason behind it ever since they broke it, but I never saw them provide a reason (I could've missed it, I admit). Really good sleuthing.
Agree 100 percent. TFL never explained it and I’ve been looking for the answer also. This is excellent info!
Jack also appeared to throw a little shade their way by emphasizing Toyota had to “idiot proof” it 😆
They have a video out now with an interview from someone from toyota explaining what happened and what they plan to do to fix it.
@@gchrisb1I watched their video with the engineer. The engineer did a lot of tap dancing.
With these prices, yes… reliability is everything. People can’t trade in and buy new vehicles like they used to. Repair prices have also skyrocketed. It is 100% everything. It could drive like a complete turd and it doesn’t matter to the average American anymore.
That's not true. Otherwise brands like Toyota and Honda wouldn't put so much effort into ride and driving dynamics in the accord, camry, civic and corolla. They put big $$ into developing ride, handling, dynamics and mvh etc.
Something driving like a turd doesn’t matter to someone who doesn’t care, and I would say that the average American car buyer absolutely cares how their car drives. Reliability is super important too. Coming from the 3rd gen to this new one is pretty stark to be honest. I also paid more for my gen 3 than my gen 4… both trd offroad manuals, both quad cab short beds. People pretending like they just all of the sudden skyrocketed in price are also comparing the top trimmed fully loaded versions of these trucks. My ‘24, well-equipped without all the BS (electronic tailgate 🙄 and such) was right around $44K. 99% of the folks whining about these new trucks have not driven one. That’s almost 100% guaranteed. At the end of the day, if you still want the old v6 Tacoma, there’s plenty available to buy, and they won’t be cheap either!
@kevinbradley8613 they also didn't skyrocket in price. In 2005 $40k was equivalent to $61k, so it's almost right on par with inflation. The thing people leave out is wages haven't increased along with inflation, so the folks that used to be able to afford these vehicles no longer can and they get mad at the manufacturer like it's greed. Not taking into account as well the increased cost of material/manufacturing, their anger is aimed at the wrong place, which becomes a totally different honest discussion most people aren't willing or equipped to have.
real subtle with the "let them eat cake"
Spot on! How about his hat?
Haha, good eye my man. I learned something today.
@@WFO. Refreshed frontier fills the gap the new gen tacoma is leaving. Predicting the frontier to be the new simple and reliable king of mid size trucks and will be recognized as such in about 2 years.
The removable JBL speaker in the dash is cool, but I have a concern about that. Putting a speaker with what I assume has a lithium ion battery into a dash that is going to get crazy hot in the summer when the truck sits out in the sun seems like a disaster waiting to happen. My experience with RC lithium ion batteries is that they hate heat. They puff and get unstable. Maybe JBL has accounted for this in some way. Maybe Im over thinking it......
I can’t remember the details but I remember it’s not an Li-Ion battery. It’s a capacitor or something
My thoughts exactly. However I love the idea of having a Bluetooth speaker that can be removed. Honda also did a cool thing with their in-bed speakers on the Ridgeline but I think that may be discontinued now?
I’m sure that never crossed the engineers’ minds. You should contact them immediately.
Mark wearing a nismo cap in the Tacoma is what got me LOL
Mark eating lunch during a test drive got me…never seen any reviewer eating during a test drive.
Straight to the hospital.
If the peasants have no bread, let them eat cake. I think that's what he is going for here.
@@jeanwong647 Mark I think is like me in this respect: who cares about new cars anymore? I only watch the videos out of habit. None of this stuff is exciting or actually compelling. The malaise of this whole time period we find ourselves in as we stagger at rapid pace toward the next global war and the inevitable collapse of civilization is so boring. Never would have thought.
I'm getting the feeling that peak truck is now behind us. There are acres of unsold trucks clear across the country with prices so out of reach that, even with a 20% cut, they're still prohibitively expensive.
Those puffed up hoods cost a LOT to make.
18 minutes of making excuses for Toyota
Isn't it an amazing phenomenon how people consider it necessarily to protect Toyota like it's their personal golden child? Never seen so many excuses for anything in my life in the auto world. Tacoma frames can rot in half,and it's a "minor flaw." If Nissan did that, they'd be drawn and quartered.
Personally, I’d avoid the new gen Tacos and go older - prefer the N/A V6 and lower price tag. Maybe that’s why the Nissan Frontier has been seeing increased success since this thing first came out.
im seeing the frontiers everywhere now..these would have certainly been tacoms
Frontiers are definitely the move now
They had a bump in sales with the refresh but overall Frontier sales then calmed back down.
Thats a very dumb mentality. The old taco's are hot garbage and always were overpriced hot garbage. Reliable sure, but thats about all it has going for it.
🤣. New Tacoma is very much the number one selling mid size truck in it's segment after Q1. Only serious rivals for the Tacoma is the GM twins.
At least the Ridgeline's second row seating can accommodate adults *with* legs
It should. It's basically a chopped honda pilot.
My brother in christ. The Ridgeline will “tow” just as much as any Tacoma or mid size lol. 99% of Tacoma owners have never put anything more than 4 paint cans and a bag of mulch on the bed. I would know, I had a Taco and still have plenty of friends with Taco’s. If you need to actually tow anything meaningful you buy a full size. Taco’s barely even does the “off-road” thing well, you are better off with any of the competition like the ZR-2 or Ranger Raptor.
HA! I put 12 bags of mulch in the back of my Tacoma. Take that buddy!
Buddy of mine has a last gen taco and tows a pretty good size enclosed trailer with a bunch of tools in it. That said, that's the most i've seen a taco tow outside of a couple of jet skis or a small fishing boat lol
@@midnitestate yep towing anything of real heft is a really bad idea in any mid size honestly. I have towed a Mako 262 (~4000lbs) with both Taco and Ridgeline without any issues, granted in mostly flat surfaces, a good trailer and neither vehicle really felt confidence inspiring doing it. My uncles GMC Sierra Denali and 2019 Ram 2500 make it seem like the boat isn’t even there. I have quite literally never seen anyone tow anything truly large with a Tacoma, Colorado, Ranger or Frontier though.
I think he was being a little facetious
@@TimMug ding ding ding ding!
The launch of their new trucks with all this new technology isn't going well, better to wait a few years until they sort out their engine, transmission and differential problems.
you are totally spot on
What blows my mind are the Toyoderps defending them making it worse for the others. If every customer called the customer care line and demanded lemon law or crate motors, the execs would cave because they are cowards.
Mark my words, you will be lucky to even get a long block and warranty. Crate motor is not happening watch.
and get new styling. theres too much going on with tamoca and tundra. plus the tundra front grille is ugly
Makes me wonder what kind of issues the new 4runner will have.
@@rabd3721makes me wonder how collectible the V8 4th gen 4Runner and the outgoing V8 GX are about to be
Not buying anything built in Mexico over the price of a Honda Fit.
Wow I forget America build great high quality vehicles.wait tundra has recalls and were it's been build
Quality and reliability are the LAST things I associate with anything coming from Mexico.
@@hixnada8278 Michigan and Alabama ain't beacons of quality either. As I, unfortunately have come to realize.
I don't know if this review mentioned the transmission issues with the manual. According to one Toyota tech, they will ALL fall and there is no fix as of yet and there are no replacement transmissions available. The automatics have also had widespread issues and failures.
In 5 years time 2024 models are going to be the year to avoid in the used market.
Oh, and i agree, the pricing is insane. This is why so many ex Tacoma owners have jumped to the Maverick, frontier, and even ridgeline.
"They will all fall" .... Care to explain a bit more?
Interesting timing of the release of the reliability video when the reports of transmission troubles are popping up. Manuals seem to be a real disasters but automatics are having issues as well. If Toyota loses the reliability, what's left?
Seriously? I put a deposit on a trd off road with a manual last week. I'll have to cancel it if I can get a confirmation.
Ridgeline, Maverick and Frontier pricing are lower because they are based on pre-pandemic development. When everything was way cheaper than now.
This will last until one of these gets a redesign.
The Frontier has a 1/4 of sales of the Tacoma.
The Ridgeline has a 1/4 of the sales of the Tacoma.
The Maverick has about 1/2 of the sales of the Tacoma.
What wacky tabacy you all smoking to think the way you do? 🤔
I love that TFL actually found a way to break the truck early. Also, that you call them out.
Yeah all the dopey Toyota fan boys would rather bully tfl than hold Toyota accountable
With a Lowes Pro business credit card ALL deliveries are $20. Home Depot similar. Lumber fits in an SUV or a mini-van better and stays dry, What is a consumer truck for? The only reason I "borrow" a truck is to take stuff to the landfill. And that's because I'm too mean to pay someone $5/hour to do it for me!
It's now fool proof, I guess they are implying TFL are fools
Last gen was crap. Owned a 20’ off-road from brand new and sold it 3 years later. Such an over rated truck that is under powered while handled like 💩
Oh, but it's "the best."
The 3rd gen v6 will outlive a 4 cylinder turbo.
Love my 3rd Gen. I use it as a lifted truck with a pop up camper for tough fire roads though. That's when she shines. Never expect a speedster from my truck, I have a Tesla for that.
What good is being better on paper if the engine and transmission grenades?
Pass...Toyota raised prices too much. I'm not willing to spend that much on a depreciating asset.
Maybe not, but you'll have to move yourself and your stuff somehow, and I don't know of any way that's free.
@@tonysterbenc My current vehicle is paid off. Sure, I'd like a new one. However, for the price of just 6 months of payments for a new $53K Tacoma TRD Off Road with Premium package I can: Take a family vacation, go fishing in my boat every week for 6 months, invest in my retirement, invest in my kids college funds, and still have $1000 sitting around for maintenance on my current vehicle.
If it were 2008, for about $10K more then the price of that truck, I would have been able to buy a 2B/2B townhouse in a decent area that would now be worth $200K today.
So....hard pass. Toyota, and most other manufactures for that matter, have moved the prices out of the range of common sense and into the range of expensive toy.
I’m fine buying an older car without all the nannies. I’ve got an older car with 160k on it and I plan on buying 100k mile older Toyotas that I can throw miles on and park wherever and not have to worry about it. Plus most people nowadays can’t really afford the vehicle they own hence why they get strapped into a loan. I’ll pay cash on an older used vehicle and feel so much better about myself knowing I have more money to use on other things
There's more grey vinyl/plastic on the interior of this thing than a late 90's/early 00's ford
When you buy a Toyota reliability is #1 end of story… if I wanted a luxury truck I’d buy a Denali or a King Ranch…
If you want a luxury midsize you get a Colorado Denali or hell even a ridgeline will be more luxurious than even the most luxurious Toyota
The problem is Toyota is now charging luxury prices while reliability is goin down hill fast.
@@scott8238 People are willing to pay that much. Not their fault.
And give some examples of reliability "going down".
@@joshgts9675 The Tundra has definitely taken a hit in reliability, as well as this first year Tacoma.
@@joshgts9675- Current generation Tundras are unsaleable due to engines eating their main bearings. The made-in-Japan Lexus models using this same engine have been doing this for years, and Toyota still has no fix.
Toyota has lost their damn mind with the pricing
When reliability is gone, what else is there
Frontier is loving this
You can tell Jack busted out the Pantene Pro V for this particular video. Just look at that bounce and sheen.
I watched this whole video to get the conclusion "even if it's not reliable, you'll probably be able to get parts for it in 15 years." It sounds like the days of the reliable Toyota, or just reliable car in general, are all long gone. But hey, you get heated steering wheels and 2 iPad screens with no nighttime modes!
A bit shocked that Geese is a bit of a Toyota apologist - its great that you met with the engineer, but the truck's price and emerging reliability issues are of great concern, and it isn't isolated to Tacoma - Toyota does not update their product lineup often, so that should have given them sufficient time to resolve issues prior to releasing a new generation of Tacoma, Tundra, LX, etc.
The engineer is just lying to geese. 😂 he’s just marketing and hyping how great this is when it’s really not
i didn't take it that way, i took it more as like the polite way of saying "this new tacoma will probably be less shit than a ranger"
@@ab-nz2mm Can't disagree with your assessment - a very low bar to clear indeed :(
Totally. This whole video felt like they were doing their boy a solid defending his truck.
@@ab-nz2mm but the Ranger is still better than the Tacoma. So the Tacoma is more garbage than the ford
If you are looking for something to actually live with long term, the Honda Ridgeline is hands down the best. People should be honest about their needs. Most don't go off-road or tow. If you need a vehicle that can slog through snow or handle a small trailer (again, most people never use their receiver hitch for more than a bike rack), the Ridgeline does everyday stuff far better.
Then why not a CUV? That's why they don't sell too many Ridgelines. It's a nice CUV missing a cargo roof. Many people actually use their truck for work or other rugged purposes.
@@ytj22 You can't load bulky items through the hatch opening of a CUV, so people like me who occasionally haul a motorcycle would have to get a trailer. Admittedly, that is a rare occurance, but more frequently I carry dirty (mountain bikes) and smelly (gas cans) things that I don't want in the interior of a vehicle. A separate cargo area just works better. Plus, you always have your back seats available when carrying large items in a pickup bed.
Seriously though, very few people actually use the rugged capabilities of a truck. They're a status symbol for most. Those same people then criticize the lack of capability (of a unibody pickup) they themselves don't use. It's just kinda silly.
The Ridgeline is in need of an update, the dash looks like it's out of a late 90's SUV
@@TL-pb6szYeah, but I kinda like that it doesn't have the tablet sticking up out of the dash look. Biggest issue is the infotainment software, even with the 2024 update. It does what it needs to do, though. Android Auto works fine.
Once you get a truck with a trunk, you don’t look back lol. No buyers remorse with my 23 sport.
"It's an American truck", with a Japanese designed engine, built in Mexico....
Mexico is in America. FYI.
@@ascentoffroadBuild that wall
"Had to further idiot proof the truck b/c of TFL"
If TFL didn't do it, owners would have. I am not saying I forgive it but honestly it was probably a service that those bozos broke it
@@dugintexas7908 all facts
No it’s not tfls fault it’s that the truck is a pos, the Colorado made it up that same exact obstacle and didn’t break anything, Toyota is just blaming others for their crap vehicles.
Blaming TFL for that failure is INSANE and just abject fanboyism. Gross.
@@PeakDeclineNot sure anyone was blaming.
As a proud owner of a 1998 2wd tacoma that I bought 9 years ago for 3k, I can tell you that I get cash offers everywhere I go. It's gets more frequent as the years roll by. I'm nearing 400k and it's less efficient, but still reliable. 6 foot bed, ac, cruise, can haul 1500 pounds with ease. I can't think of a reason to downgrade to a new truck
How are the plastics holding up? The rubber and plastics in my mom’s 2008 are disintegrating now.
The V6 in the prior gen has had head gasket issues. A friend recently had his go and it grenaded the engine at 60k. We found multiple owners across the country with this issue, and it seems like it's something Toyota is aware of. I recently heard a mechanic say, "There is no such thing as a long term reliable car anymore". I'd trust a CX-5 just as well as a RAV4, an Impreza as well as a Corolla, and so on and so forth. I just don't think the gap between Toyota/Honda and other manufacturers on reliability is nearly as wide as it was twenty years ago. Throw in the Toyota dealership experience and distribution system, and I have a hard time wanting to buy a Toyota.
Can't wait to buy one in 15 years when it's $18k, 130k miles, 3 turbo replacements, 4 recalls, & one battery replacement in, and not legally required to rat out your driving to insurance companies like 2030+ vehicles are.
It will be a steal. 💰 😁👍
😂. New turbo I4 and hybrid turbo I4 are very good engines with no issues whatsoever. There won't be any recalls and anything.
Considering the Tundra engine has a recall and are blowing/ debris in the engine brand new it is completely fair to assume at 130k miles you will have a blown turbo on Taco’s
Can the Chief Engineer fit in the truck?
😂
Yeah every time I see that guy I wonder how his personal dimensions went into the design of the vehicle.
The New Tacoma is the perfect reflection of the Chief Engineer.
@@upforanadventure3039 bruh 🎅🏻
Who cares about the Chief Engineer fitment? More importantly, can your big Bulgarian Mom fit in the cabin of this truck or will she still need to be tied down in the bed of this redesigned gen? It's bigger inside, might want to give it a try; dont forget the tie down straps in case she still doesn't. Good luck.
Both the maverick and the Ridgeline have a higher payload than the TRD off-road, but yea, the tacoma is the "real truck" 🙄
Yeah I scoffed at that. I thought Jack was smarter than your average "not a reeeaaallll truck" UA-cam commenter.
I love your channel for your no holds bar viewpoints....but feel you totally gave Toyota a pass on this one....
Pass on what. New Tacoma is a excellent mid size truck and already the number one selling in it's segment as well. While been very reliable with no issues whatsoever.stop attacking a perfectly fine vehicle.thats why I am fed up with the internet because of people like you.
@@timcarlson-7181the Tacoma is no longer the sales leader in the midsized range. Down 55 percent in q1 and with the prices and lack luster reliability and features I don’t expect that to improve.
@@k20z3allmotorFTW new Tacoma is very much segment sales leader already after Q1. Reason it's 55 percent down is simply because it's brand new generation of a vehicle and it's called the change over period. Were dealers will have ultra low supply due to issues like retooling and shortage of workers in this case. New Tacoma has very good reliability and has no issues whatsoever. Only ones are. One off TFL CASE and extremely overblown transmission story which only affected 5 vehicles. So overall Tacoma Will stay number one selling mid size truck in it's segment while people like you keep posting nonsense
You can find a fully spec’d out Nissan frontier PRO4X for 42k basically up to 5K off MSRP. Has a tried and true VQ engine and a pretty good 9sp trans.
Yes it has a low res back up camera, no telescoping steering wheel and tight steering wheel feel to some, cry me a dang river!!!!! Who cares? Why pay 20k more for just that extra stuff on the Tacoma ?
It has just the right amount of tech and will be reliable and more durable. I am in the market for a midsize and ik where my money if going. Toyota dropped the ball on the new tundra and Tacoma.
10-15 years from now the catalytic converter checks out and the turbo goes bad, do you think that is fun to replace? No!!! Especially in the Midwest where it rust cars really bad those exhaust bolts will be a pain to get loose and very expensive because you might have to just replace everything! Also if the turbo bearing fails you will most definitely need a new intercooler and hope nothing gets into the cylinders.
Also I would rather walk than trust a turbo 4 banger from the ford ranger and the Colorado. The ridge line is also a good shout if you don’t really need a body on frame truck.
This is the truth
Ridgeline is best all around midsize truck and most reliable.
I think the Frontier is the most bang for your buck in the mid size truck segment. Underrated truck, looks pretty nice as well.
The VQ is a legend.
Nissan Frontier has become what the Tacoma was.
Compared to my civic and my wifes crv, the ridgeline is definitely a truck. I dont get the "real truck" thing. Im waiting to pick up my ranger raptor due to be built in july, and i already know im going to hear that from people, which will be very annoying. We all know how "truck people" can be, especially those suffering from "little man big truck syndrome." Many of them have polished tow balls and worry about scratching the bed but wont get a bedliner
Even the dictionaries say so but clowns disagree.
Truck definition by Oxford
"a large, heavy motor vehicle used for transporting goods, materials, or troops."
@@MarbindYes, even a Hyundai Santa Cruz weighs over two tons. One could say 4,000 pounds is heavy, compared to many cars. And, it can haul 3/4 ton worth of material in a really short bed.
Large can be objective. The Santa Cruz is much larger than the little pickups from the 1970's or the present pickups from many parts of the world.
One could carry 3 troops in the bed of a Santa Cruz and a couple more in the cab.
When people say real truck they mean body on frame and a solid rear axle. Not a unibody and independent rear suspension which had more in common with a cross over or a lot of new SUVs than trucks.
@ascentoffroad i know i understand. But even still I don't get why there only one acceptable way to build a truck for it to be "real." Most people that have "real trucks" don't do 75% of what it's capable of so what's the point? To simply use it as a c*ck extension and say theirs is bigger than someone elses? In many cases that I true unfortunately and it makes other people look bad, kind of like bmw drivers reputation, among others.
@@ascentoffroad Those people by definition are wrong.
Love the Nismo hat.
There must be comments on the music the lads show they are using in the infotainment….they have great taste , never seen crap tunes here. Bravo
As a huge Vulfpeck fan (I’ve been to seven shows) I love seeing their albums on the radio ❤
Got a 2.7L F150 and couldn’t be happier.
It’s tuned, and it rips! Great mpgs. Nothing has broke yet at 125k, and ppl are reporting over 200k mi with only basic maintenance.
So glad I didn’t over-pay for a Toyota.
Just gotta factcheck you guys on the Ridgeline comment, payload is the same as tacoma. Ridgeline can tow 5000 lbs, Tacoma 6500 lbs in best towing configurations.
Towing ≠ payload. Looking at the last gen Taco, the Ridgeline actually has more payload capacity by ~400lb on the V6 (1509 vs 1120), while the 4 cylinder Taco had more payload by ~50lb (1583 vs 1620). New Taco can go up to 1700lb payload, putting it ~200lb more payload than the Ridgeline.
Almost every 2024 Tacoma I've looked at has a payload sticker of 1200 lbs. I looked at two Ridgelines this past weekend and they were labeled at 1577 lbs. They had a much wider bed too.
Not to mention this Ridgeline hasn't had a proper redesign in over 8 years.
@@mgp9733 True. It is getting pretty old. I also think Toyota is doing something funny with these payload stickers because several people have scaled their trucks and the stickers don’t come out right. One guy scaled his with him in it and a full tank of gas, subtracted it from the GVWR and came out with a payload of 1427 lbs.
I think he was being a little facetious
REST IN PEACE TACOMA, one hell of a run.
Great now maybe Toyota will bring the Hilux back to the states
Savagegeese, as a suggestion you should try getting the base/medium trim for any car you review, which is basically the one regular people go for. Companies like Toyota/ Honda which are very highly regarded usually seek the worst base trims of any other brand and they should be called out for it. Obviously the version that costs $70k is gonna be amazing, and the people who buys them don’t even watch UA-cam to make a decision.
Problem is, they can only get the trim level the maker will supply to them, and the press vehicles are usually passed around to all the reviewers and are invariably the manufacturer's effort to put their best foot forward.
@12:25 I am 99% positive the Ridgeline has a higher payload capacity than Tacoma. I have seen numbers all over the place for Tacoma from 1200lb to 1700#. But the Ridgeline is rated at 1400+.
Around 1500 is the general payload.
The bed max is 1100.
Source: Owners Manual Maximum Load Limits section.
It does. Unibody vehicles usually have awesome payload. Its towing capacity the Ridgeline lags behind. Its 5000lbs max towing is substantially lower than the domestic brands which are in the 7500-7700lbs max range. The Tacoma and Frontier lag behind in towing, around 6800lbs.
The black forest cake. Lol! Shit like that is why I love Savagegeese. The deadpan humor AND the excellent car reviews.
Toyota was a brand where you sacrificed power and interior design for reliability. That’s what made a Toyota worth it. These high compression motors and focus on design features aren’t in their language or what people want.
Designed in the USA for the people of the USA. 15 cup holders, massage seats and wireless phone chargers on every flay surface.
@@heiner71 hahaha! Facts.
Toyota is lagging in the race to the bottom, but products like this allow them to make up for lost time.
Their sedans are still good. The new Camry is the perfect commuter car and will likely be my first new car
I would love to have a Tacoma, all my current and past vehicles but my truck is a Toyota. The F-150 I bought new a few years ago will be reliable enough (3.3l NA V6) and I can spend $20,000 fixing it before I reach the price of a Tacoma that was at the dealership across the street. With everything being said and done, I am glad to see that the tiny Maverick seems to be doing well as a fleet truck for the construction company that I pass by every day going to work. I hope Toyota builds a cheap small and utilitarian truck again, the Tacoma like the others it competed with, has gotten big and expensive.
Discussion on Tacoma reliability but no mention of the 3-speed manual transmission option? LOL....
Toyota reliability is just a marketing tool for their new models until proven otherwise. Like everyone I'd like to assume they'll figure it out, but I'm not sure it's fair to give them a pass when there have been a lot of issues
im glad people are waking up to the fact that toyota will push out the most cheaply built vehicles out there and charge a 20% + premium over other competitors, knowing that they're screwing their assembly plant workers AND customers.
@@redriver15262 This is being so often recited it's becoming a meme itself, as if we've entered the Post-Reliable-Toyotas era. But the reliability survey data still says most Toyota products still win.
I'm only watching these videos to know what pastry Mark will bring to this review.
Very pleased to see Savage Geese partner with Bridgestone. I have long been a Bridgestone fan and customer and it feels good to not be like everyone on the Michelin bandwagon.
Just like The Straight Pipes partnering Continental Tire
This might sound crazy, but I’m seeing less trucks in the driveways of my upper middle class neighborhood and more Teslas. No joke. First Cybertruck just showed up in the neighborhood over the weekend. One or two Rivians. 10 years ago all you saw was pickups and Wranglers. Most of the Wranglers are gone now.
Feel like for the prices dealers list trucks, suburbanites could just buy a BMW 5 series and would be better off for it. This is the shame of trucks becoming a lifestyle vehicle for suburbanites who will never take it off hard top and if they do it is only to park near junior's little league practice field at the park: people who actually need the utility of a truck are damn near priced out the new market.
I also think Jack’s thoughts on the Ridgeline are wrong. Speaking of being wronged…what the hell happened to Jack’s Patagonia T-Shirts?
Based on my father's experience with his Ridgeline (retired contractor), there is no reason not to include the Ridgeline in the conversation. He uses his for everything you would use a "real truck" for and the thing has been dead reliable for 180k miles, while providing a very comfortable driving experience. Get back to me when this Tacoma can achieve that (and I like Toyota).
I think people confuse the 3.5 V6’s reputation for the 4.0 V6. That engine actually had some get up and go.
There's a massive recall on the turbo 6 versions of this truck
I'm sorry to have to break this to you, but there are no 6-cylinder versions of this truck. Perhaps you're thinking of the larger, costlier Toyota Tundra.
Another "I heard this from" poster with no real facts 😂
For 50 grand, not buying a half ton seems almost like a crime.
You, guys, should start covering the implementation of remote kill on new cars and possibility of defeating it.
That cake looked quite moist.
Just how Mark's wife's boyfriend likes it
Calling the guys at tfl idiots ,shots fired
Reliability IS everything when it comes to toyota. Not only in north america, but pretty nuch every other market they operate in, they charge a premium over the competition for the "reliability of the badge". If reliability is no longer everything, then there is no point in paying the "badge premium" and getting a Toyota.
“I thinks it’s time to get into the final thoughts and for you to go to the hospital” was so well delivered haha
I test drove a TRD Offroad trim. I thought that the 4-cylinder iForce had plenty of power and the gearbox was well tuned. The iForce engine did get noisy when pushed hard, but it had plenty of torque without pushing it. I did find that the seat wasn't very supportive to me and the ride was rather stiff. Perhaps I would have liked the Limited trim better, but I decided this was not the vehicle for me.
I haven't test driven the competitors, so I don't know how it compares to the Ranger, etc.
I can’t get over the fact that they have fake vents in the bumper, but cut real holes in the fender flares that vent to nowhere…
Cablegate still exist, so T cannot say anymore it’s about reliability if their mainstream hybrid has a rust issue in the rear 😢❤
Ridgeline is a valid point. Cause 97% of Tacoma owners are offroading, towing, filling to payload either, lets be honest here.
They really kind of just phoned this review in. However, I think the review matches the personality of the truck.
Toyota is ruining their name with these new trucks. Transmissions, engines major components failing on top of that they are asking huge money…. No thanks
How many have failed? a hand full? Out of a millions?
Do the percentages. The competition is failing at 2-5x the rate.
New Tacoma has been extremely reliable and had no issues whatsoever. Stop attacking a perfectly fine vehicle And stop using reddit as source. Same place we're people ask how to kill my family
good. fan boys finally getting what they deserve
Nah
Price has to go up, I need 4 iPad sized screens in every car that I drive
I like the Nissan nismo hat. And black forest cake is great. More implied there than words.
Toyota is very good at selling something that 99% of their customers don't need.
What would that be?
Good choice on the Black Forest cake.
“Is Reliability Everything?” Probably depends on the car or truck buyer, but especially to Toyota buyers and Tacoma buyers even more so.
I like the Taco, but I don’t need or really want a truck. $40k gets me a loaded Camry XSE or a basic Taco SR5. Another great review from Savage Geese.
Had a button in the wrong position and broke an axle. Give me a break
Toyota has fixed the issues and its no longer problem. So what you are whining about
Don't forget to come up for air every now and then while you're going down on Toyota corporate 🙄🤦🏻♂️.
Reliability is absolutely the reason Toyotas retain their value, people aren't buying Toyotas for the awful fit and finish or paint issues. People also seem to forget the Toyota isn't perfect, and a few of their engines had issues like; 1ZZ-FE and 2AZ-FE oil consumption issues, 2ZZ-GE lift bolts and also their oil pumps shattering, 2016 Tacoma 2GR crank sensor, 1MZ-FE with oil sludge issues, etc..
Surely you mean "THE IMPRESSION OF Reliability is absolutely the reason..." Marketing is a wonderful thing.
you forgot to mention the overheating transmissions
😂. One flukeish case overheating and the other case just five vehicles has been affected . Stop attacking perfectly fine vehicle. Hardcore enthusiasts online like you are truly something pathetic
Alot of taco fan boys watch them and they know it
Get a Frontier instead. V6 and cheaper
Get an f150
@@AnonymousAnonymous-xj1ht f150 is a fullsize truck
The frontier now has the best resale value in midsize trucks as well.
I went to see a frontier. It was more expensive. Here in Canada anyway
It’s a solid truck and I think one of the better looking ones. It’s simple and reliable. But you do feel that cheapness in places such as the interior and feature set. Some people don’t want all those bells and whistles, and that’s fine. But those who do enjoy the additional features and refinement that Toyota and other manufacturers bring to the table aren’t going to find it in the Frontier. And if Nissan follows their own history and doesn’t update the Frontier for another 15 years it’s going to feel old fast. A 2021 Frontier compared to a 2021 Taco is no contest. If I were in the market I would probably get a Frontier, but then again I’m still driving my bullet proof 03 Tundra with 230k miles on it.
Just like the new Tacoma, this guys heart is turboed... geeezus. New meaning to "It'll be your last truck."
I'm 6'4, 286lbs. I went truck shopping 2 weeks ago. I tried wedging myself into a new Taco TRD Pro, and yes I didn't fit. So, I bought a 2021 Tundra TRD Pro with 56k miles for literally half the price of the TRD Taco.
Honestly this is the move. My boss has a nice last gen tundra he got new pre pandemic and is NEVER selling it. Loves it to death. And those v8's are [pretty reliable
1:19 The song choice on the infotainment is always my favorite low-key bit in these videos
Too expensive for what will be average reliability.
More like below average 😂
A pretty transparent intro that says “this is an influencer advertisement” not a review. With that in mind, a really good video for potential buyers.
Mark rocking a nismo hat during a toyota video is fucking great
I would love to see you guys review the new Land Cruiser too!
Apparently the transmissions in these are blowing up. It's not clear if it's going to be on the level of the Tundra engine failures yet, but damn Toyota surely seems to have lost a step in its truck reliability. It would at least give me pause before dropping almost $50k on a Taco.
New transmission story is been overblown. It has only affected yes just 5 vehicles And not more. So it's not a big issue whatsoever. Obviously the internet love to over exaggerate stories like this
The internet does exaggerate, but Toyota has plenty of fanboys that will make excuses too. It may only be 5 failures *so far* but there of course will be more, we will just have to wait and see if it becomes bad enough for a recall. When replacement transmissions are nonexistent it doesn't take a lot of failures to create a big headache.
@@JKHYT so people who saying the obvious and act normally are fun boys . Wow.
Are those springs and dampers sportily enough for the sportle club?
I definitely don’t buy Toyota for their fit and finish etc I get it so it never breaks
Except they do break 🙄
@@1FiftyOverlandnow they do, which is the thing people were often loyal to, but back in the day Toyota was damn near bulletproof. Now? Not so much.
@@colin-nekritz Yea some of the new trucks are coming with the same fit and finish as a Tesla.
That hat is a subtle nod to what brand truck you should now buy instead if you are buying new. 😼