The Thirty Fathom Grave - Twilight-Tober Zone
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"The Thirty Fathom Grave" is episode 104 of the American television anthology series The Twilight Zone. It originally aired on January 10, 1963 on CBS. In this naval-themed episode, the crew of a Navy destroyer hear a mysterious rhythmic noise coming from a sunken submarine.
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As a Navy vet who has served on board two aircraft carriers, this episode was amazing to me. Ghosts at sea are my favorite kinds of ghosts; the ocean setting suddenly becomes a forboding entity in itself. Brilliant writing.
Imagine if there was a twilight zone episode about an aircraft carrier…oh wait that exists irl. It’s called the kutsnetzov lol
This is a good episode, and thank you for your service👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻🙂🫡🇺🇸.
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@@goldenfiberwheat238 Very true, and also a personal favorite episode of mine.
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I love the reveal at the end how one of the remains had a hammer
Agreed, it's a great shot, and one that stayed with me for a long time.
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I don't get it
@@joevenespineli6389leaves open the possibility that the clanging noise wasn't caused by the periscope or some other loose metal just swinging from the water currents, but instead that 20 years after it sank, someone was using that hammer long after everybody else was supposed to have already died in the submarine
"A show you could pay half attention to while doing something else"
Lol, thats exactly what i was doing while watching this episode. I was laying in bed, playing my Switch, while the episode was playing on my TV. And yes, the episode did still manage to hold my attention, despite all that. This episode gave me chills.
I am a constant binger of the Twilight Zone. And The Thirty Fathom Grave is a masterpiece and one of my top favorites of the entire series. I was a sailor myself. This episode brings vivid memories of life at sea.
Always enjoy a spooky ghost story
Didn't expect Dr. Banner from the old Hulk show in my Twilight Zone!
The clanging coming from a sunken vessel reminded me of the true story from Pearl Harbor. A ship had sunk but there was a compartment with supplies where three sailors survived. They kept banging to signal they were there, but no one could safely extract them. I think the issues were either causing them to drown by opening the compartment or starting a fire since there was still so much fuel on the water. It was weeks before the banging stopped.. .
That is horrifying
I wouldn't be able to live with the guilt no matter how much I understood the impossibility of rescue.
The high ups did not want to free them or even attempt. They were officially declared dead after a few days despite the fact that night watchmen continued to hear clanging noises for at least week AFTER that date their death was officially pronounced.
Yep, those three men were the sailors Clifford Olds, Louis Costlin and Ronald Endicott of USS West Virginia. When the battleship was hit on Pearl Harbor, she ran a very high risk of capsizing, so the damage control parties were forced to flood the very compartments the three men were in to save the rest of the ship by letting her sink on an even keel, and the three men, due to the blackout conditions due to the ship losing all its power, were unable to evacuate in time. They managed to secure the specific compartment they were in, but everything else around them for several compartments were completely flooded.
The closest way of rescue would have been through torching a way through from the outside of the ship through her hull, but because of the way the West Virginia had been moored (anchored just feet away from other battleships on Battleship Row), she sank with one side of her hull resting on the side of the adjacent USS Tennessee. As luck would have it, that was the side the three men were trapped in. There would have been no way for a diver to get to where they were trapped no matter what. No rescue operation would have been enough.
Ironically, if the ship was never counterflooded, then chances are that the three men would have been saved. The ship capsizing and flipping over would have exposed the ship's hull to the open sky, which would have made drilling through to their compartments a relative breeze. But the ship capsizing would have also meant that the chances of salvaging the ship would have been zero.
As it turns out, the counterflooding decision that killed the three men later saved thousands more. Since she sank on an even keel, it was possible to salvage, repair and rebuild the West Virginia. The resurrecred West Virginia, rebuilt from the wreck that had sank in Pearl Harbor, later saw action on the Battle of Surigao Strait, the very last battleship vs. battleship action in naval history, where the West Virginia helped sink a Japanese surface fleet attempting to destroy the vulnerable US invasion fleet off Leyte in the Philippines.
"Not you meg!" I recognized Mel from Sleepaway Camp almost immediately. It is interesting seeing him so young.
That's what I was I thinking. I love the movie and his endearing hammy performance you can kind of see that here as well. He passed away during the film's production. Rest in peace Mike.
I liked the ambiguity behind the banging noises. Was it a loose piece of metal from the submarine, or the crewman's hammer? Your guess is as good as mine!
I remember seeing this one in my high school drama class. It still haunts me (pun intended) to this day.
This is my personal favorite episode.
It looks like his past mistake on the submarine literally came back to haunt him.
I love, love, love this episode! I'm a sucker for a good ghost story and this was a very good ghost story. The idea of a military man suffering from survivor's guilt being haunted by the ghosts of those who died is incredibly realistic. His descent into insanity could be easily and twisted into a ghost story, but it stays grounded, just enough, that you believe it could happen.
I love this The Twilight Zone episode!
It’s not unusual for people who served long enough in the military (all branches) to hear things or see various apparitions regardless if they’ve seen combat or not.
Even during basic training there are recruits who at wee hours of the night claim to have seen and heard things like ghosts. Ghosts of recruits who took their lives during basic.
Most of us assure ourselves it’s all in our heads…but you never know!
It also doesn't help if most of the buildings you are in are built before WWII!
Having served at Pearl Harbor Hickam I can attest to this!
Walter’s pronunciation of Boatswain’s Mate was hilarious. Lol
It's "BOW-sin", by the way.
@@charlieeckert4321 how it’s pronounced? Yes.
4:08 You wouldn't like him when he's angry.
Sounds like a great episode all around!
This is my favorite episode of the season. Granted, it was the only S4 episode I saw for a while, but it’s still my favorite even after watching all of them
I love The Twilight Tober Zone
I do have the graphic novel The Twilight Man, which chronicles Rod Sterling's life including the difficulties he had with some of his programs. It was interesting to see how World War II affected him especially in a moment where he was almost killed. I recommend the graphic novel if your interested.
One aspect of this production that wasn't brought up....
I always appreciated the fact that this was the very first episode in which Rod Serling challenged the network censors by dropping a 4-letter word in the script.
It happens when Chief Bell is questioned about who could possibly be making noise in a sub that was sunk in action 21 years ago. His response....
SOMEONE WHO DIES DAMN HARD!😂❤
Survivor's guilt is alway an intriguing concept.
I've always loved his episode. To me this is the 2nd best hour long Zone episode to the absolute classic coming up in a few days: the Death Ship
Mike Kellin and Simon Oakland passed away within three days of one another - Kellin on 26 August 1983 and Oakland on 29 August 1983. Short time before their passings, the ship used for exterior shots, USS Mullinnix, was decommissioned on 11 August. Interior shots were shot on USS Edson.
“They’re calling muster on me!! They’re calling muster!!” 😢
It makes me feel like wishing, that there was a really long Christmas movie, like over 3 hours, that's deliberately filmed in such a way that you can watch it like a miniseries and miss a few episodes. Then you would just put it on, and more spend a day with it than actually watch it.
A gimmick could be that there's actually two films, playable at the same time as different characters live their lives at the same time, in this long story told like a classic novel.
Always a good day this month at this time! 🎃🎃🎃🖤🖤🖤🧡🧡🧡
That must be a deep grave O.O
Fun Fact: For horror fans, you might be surprised to know that Chief Bell, played by Mike Kellin, was also the Leading Camp Councillor in Sleepaway Camp (1983).
I was very convinced that I seen this actor somewhere before, and after rewatching this episode, I knew he looked familiar.
Just a little fun fact is all.
And also, when they review the Episode “He’s Alive,” the main character in that episode is Dennis Hooper, another character involved with one particular horror movie that was more of a mockery than a serious one. I’ll probably say which one when that episode comes out for review.
Super Mario Bros.?😅😂
Pedant Powers activate. The original meaning of the word "decimate"' is to kill one in ten (same deci- as in decimal). It gets mixed up with other words like "devastate". It can of course also be used to mean appreciable losses in some range of 10%, but saying a submarine with a single survior was "decimated" is a bit of a stretch.
Also I think that the better pronunciation of "boatswain" is "Bo-sun."
I have to agree hear. it's certainly 1 of the good ones for sure. I also agree on Kellon's performence being over the top at times. I suggest you check out the twilight zone radio version of the 30 Fathom Grave too. i think the character playing Bell in that 1 was less over the top.
I recognized that actor, so I had to look him up. He was the owner of the summer camp in Sleepaway Camp.
The twist in this episode reminded me of "The Arrival", from Season 3. Its protagonist, Sheckley, is also haunted by a voyage from years earlier, though unlike Bell, he lives at the end, and conjures up the memory in his mind.
Mike Kellin, playing Bell, is the actor who happened to play the camp counselor Mel in the cult classic Sleepaway Camp.... I think that's just way he acts. Way Over the top. So much fun tho. Love your videos Walter!!!
I was expecting the twist to this episode to be that Bell actually died on the sub. And it still could have been the case that way since they never found a body. It's kind of a predictable twist to go with in a story like this since I pretty much assumed that was going to be the ending from the moment they revealed that he was the lone survivor of the wreckage they found. I think making that the proper ending however would have taken away from the survivor's guilt story if they revealed that he wasn't really a survivor at all.
The other way to interpret this some what ambiguous ending doesn't really feel like a twist though. And since you could also interpret the ghosts as hallucinations from his survivor's guilt it doesn't even feel like a Twilight Zone episode. The story isn't bad on it's own it just doesn't fit the tone of the rest of the series it's in. I feel like I would like this more if it just didn't have anything to do with the Twilight Zone. But judging it in contrast with the rest of the series I actually find myself wishing they had stuck more closely to the super natural elements instead of leaving it ambiguous and more realistic.
I've not seen this one before, but it sounds interesting. Sound does indeed travel pretty far underwater. Like in The Enemy Below with the famous singing scene, or U-571 where the German crewman is banging the hull with a wrench to signal the destroyer overhead (a deleted scene has Tyler recognizing the crewman as the Captain in disguise).
I LOVE this episode. Obviously, it's not one of those "classic" TZ episodes or anything, but the longer runtime and more grounded reasoning for things really helps.
I haven't seen this episode, but it sounds like a really good ghost story!
Oh This one is scary! It's really just eerie!
For those curious, one of the two destroyers used in filming, USS Edson DD-946 (used for the interior shots) still exists as a museum ship in Bay City, Michigan. (The ship used for exterior shots, USS Mullinix, was scrapped, but was an identical twin to Edson.)
I love how they left both a natural and supernatural reason for occurrences- nice touch.
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Guilt is so haunting.
This episode, the scenes with the ghost sailors beckoning to the Chief, scared the hell out of me when I was seven.
This is one that could have been shorter but I love the ending. It's like one of those campfire ghost stories brought to life
Walter! That was a dope ending line! Coulda been by sterling himself well done!
god I love Twilightober
Can't wait to hear your take on On Thursday We Leave For Home!
Mike Kellen was in Sleepaway Camp back in the 80s
" Sometimes I think that's the worst thing there is about war. What it does to the minds. " Serling knew about that, firsthand. Kellin also had an amusing cameo in a " Barney Miller " episode.
Main star in this episode Mike Kellin actually served in US Navy during World War II with the rank of lieutenant commander.
Your commentary is fair and enjoyable to follow. The wise comments you use to rap up each episode some times are a bit pun ish but are still very welcomed!
Wow. I’m sure glad this didn’t happen on my Destroyer during our underway.
When I hear the slow out-of-tune Twilight Zone music of this series, that's when I really feel that Halloween is just around the corner.
This one had me riveted to the screen. The storytelling was masterclass and, while overly hammy on Bell's part, the performances were excellent.
This was my favorite hour-long one that made me feel like I was watching a movie. And it was a perfect example of the survivor's guilt in action.
Love almost all the WW2 episodes of the Twilight Zone, except 4 The Encounter
very interesting episode
That scene was really shot underwater? Wow! That would never happen nowadays.
"They're callin' muster on me!!!"
Reminds me of that Lovecraft novel with the german u boat crew going mad
I do love the episodes like that. "Did something paranormal happen, or did this person go nuts?"
Great video.
The ghosts signaling the guy to join them in their watery grave reminds me of the ghosts signaling you to join them on The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror ride. I wonder if that was partly inspired by this episode.
The position of the ship and sub is given as 09°30' N 160°48' E, which places them about two miles north of the island of Nura in the Solomon Islands, roughly in the middle of the Solomon Sea.
Again, just like the last one there’s a good story here and I do like it but I just drags on longer than it should.
I think everybody did a good job at it and it was a good little ghost story
Nice take on an underrated episode. Wonder how many other ones had all-male casts?
It would be cool to review tales of the crypt keeper like this.
This episode was written by Rod Serling before the episodes were turned into one hour format and was thus written for half hour format. Serling had to adapt the script by introducing new scenes or simply padded the existing scenes. This is why the episode seems to be dragging and is considered a failure.
When I clicked on this video, it had 666 likes. That feels appropriate for a Twilight Zone video.
I really felt bad for Chief Bell, especially as it was an honest mistake that got his ship shelled and he was the only one who survived...and had to live with that for 20 years. Even the Captain told him that the ship was surrounded and had no prayer of survival...and his mistake would not have made a difference.
I thought in the end, it was the Captain's sweat-stains causing Bell's psychosis
The intrigue of this episode was really something, but It kind of lost its way near the end. A big problem with the 50 minute TZ episodes is that all of them(with a handful of great exceptions) feel like they easily could have and should have been 40.
Now this episode was interesting and would love to see it as a modern day horror movie instead of the usual remakes of already established movies.
Ah! Ah! Two more days! Two more days! AND I CAN HAVE THE VIDEO VERSION OF "HE'S ALIVE"... Ah! Can't wait for Walter age restrict the episode and share his thoughts! So exciting!
Be ready for the shitstorm in the comment section.
I’ve seen some of this exposed in reruns on the SyFy Channel once, and it is a good episode too👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻🙂.
This premise reminds me of the film Below, about a WWII submarine coming across a sunken vessel and slowly uncovering the reasons why it sank and who on board might have been responsible. It's a really good thriller with some creepy supernatural moments that also has enough of a logical slant so you can choose to interpret the events as either (though it's more obvious that there were some ghostly happenings, but they aren't overdone). Highly recommend.
Sea ghosts scare me like nothing else
Come play with us, Bell.
underrated episode
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Yes, I always felt that the actor playing Chief Bell overdid the acting in this episode! I’m glad to hear others see this as well!
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He's going in order.
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Submarine 714 did exist during World War II. However, it was a German submarine and it was sunk by US Navy. US Navy did not have haul number 714 until 1983 when it was given to the newly commissioned USS Norfolk. It was decommissioned in 2014.
Where is that clip from 6:46-6:48 from? And what the hell was the woman saying? I could only hear out "Where's all the ring beans?!"
this reminds me of a ghost story i read once:
after a certain ship ( whose name i can't remember ) was constructed the crew complained about hearing an eerie knocking sound around the hull of the ship eventually they took apart part of the ship revealing one of the men who had worked on the ship had been buried alive inside the hull accidentally of course
I’m sorry, but I don’t get the twist ending beyond the point of him jumping in the water himself. After that on the sub what’s going on?
Please pause at 6:27
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The actor who was david banner had a small part
This episode demonstrates the two problems with S4: Unlikable characters, and long, long teases to classic TZ twists that NEVER HAPPEN--The Ghosts-of-guilt concept seems straight out of "King Nine Will Not Return", but King Nine's Robert Cummings was a confident character denying what was happening, we see that confidence crack the more real his "ghosts" become, and there's no doubt they got the last word. Here, yes, Bell is self-pitying for a LONG time, frustrating the more rational crew, and when he dives in at the end, we're left with "Um...okay".
I really like this episode, but I'll admit it probably should have been half as long. Still has the power to spook but it is stretched out to the limit, and probably past that for modern audiences' patience.
As many other people have pointed out, it's great how the events can be reasonably interpreted as supernatural or just coincidental.
Boat swan? Lol
"Seaweed"
Who 'counts' as the music Composer for this episode? Thanks, HJ
If you read The Twilight Zone book that is out now it's a graphic novel called Twilight man they talked about his military experience Rod Serling and another paratrooper walking through a jungle in the Pacific and were ambushed by a enemy soldier the soldier shot his friend instead of sirloin that he should have died that day
Does anyone know what the name of the music playing in the background is?
“Seaweed……….”
This is the first of many 4th season episodes which demonstrate how the hour-long length truly hurt the show. This episode is extremely padded, and I felt it would have worked so much better at a half-hour. Was it really necessary to go down multiple times what a single dive might have accomplished everything required by the story? I wasn't that impressed with the ending either - I just don't think the show makes its point very well. It does have a good cast (including Bill Bixby as the Officer of the Day), but that's really not enough to carry the story, in my opinion.
This is one episode from S4 that would have been better as a half hour episode. Great idea and some spooky elements and visuals, but dragged out too long.
Is it just me or did Chief Bell die the same way as The Little Mermaid from the original story by Hans Christian Andersen ?