Monster debut! Waldgeist's half-brother Waldkonig wins at Wolverhampton
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- Waldkonig produced an astonishing performance on debut at Wolverhampton to earn quotes for next year’s Derby.
Bred to be very good being a Kingman half-brother to Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe hero Waldgeist, the John Gosden-trained colt powered down the Dunstall Park straight in the manner of a very smart performer in his own right.
The 6-4 favourite was ridden by Robert Havlin, who told Sky Sports Racing: “He impressed me, he’d been showing some nice work at home, but you never know - first day at school.
“He did a lot wrong, he was hanging, just through greenness down the back.
“I don’t think I’ve ridden in a race where we started going even slower and slower from the four to pass the three, so I thought, ‘I’ve got to get out and do something now’, as he is a big, rangy horse, with a good old stride on him.
“He quickened up good and he kept at it. He’s got a good attitude and you probably won’t see him now until next spring.”
He added: “Let’s hope he can get to the standard of Waldgeist, that would be nice.
“He’s done everything right first time, there’s not a bother on him and he’s not worried about anything, so it’s great.”
Bookmakers were clearly impressed, with RaceBets slashing Waldkonig’s odds for Epsom to 14-1 from 50-1.
Garry Coffey, racing manager to Newsells Stud, who bred and own the winner in partnership with Gestut Ammerland’s Dietrich von Boetticher, said: “It was terrific, he’s a very nice horse.
“He’s from a family which is very close to us at Newsells and obviously Waldgeist is the older brother. It’s great to see him win on debut like that.
He looked like he enjoyed that.. Great powerful horse!!
I must say, the more I watch this, the better it looks.
I remember watching it live and thinking the way he quickened was Impressive, yes he didn't beat much but you cant deny it was mightily impressive
Mart Tyler Yet to show best form and I think he’ll improve again this winter and be a better 4yr old next season.
Wow can’t do much more on debut, looks good.
Can,t wait to see him again !!!
After backing the 2nd in this race I instantly put the winner in the tracker. Powerful performance, huge strides it took out on that bend. Wow just wow
I backed him this day where has he gone.
That's what you call an impressive performance to do that on a cold night at Wolverhampton wow .......the way that horse quickened round that bend and accelerated away was something special and the horse was still running green in the last furlong .....the scary thing is the horse will only improve on that performance....
Impressive debut, liked his turn of foot for a big horse. Should definitely be winning a stakes in the future.
A bit green, but loved the acceleration into the turn. Size and power, he looks a fine prospect
I’m new to horse racing mate what do you mean by a bit green? cheers
@@Jack-tp5ji it means a bit immature....frisky....unsettled in spots.
Marc Siosal Ok mate thanks a lot.
Jack It means a horse is inexperienced. Usually you’ll see greenness in 2yr. olds that are racing for the first, 2nd, 3rdtime etc.. 🏇😊🏇
Just watched again. A big baby, but compare his action to the rest of the field.... very impressive. Definitely like this fellow a lot.
Wow hes something special potentially looked like he enjoyed that
How many classic winning horses have started of winning a Maiden on debut at Wolverhampton? Impressive performance, but off a modest pace. Hopefully can do the same on turf
Wayne Bell didn’t Pinatubo start off at Wolverhampton? Now look at him, the highest rated 2 y/o since Frankel I believe
@@waynebell9762 Jack Hobbs did with a similar performance to this on his debut
Hes 3 in January this is a late maiden its his first run.
Highly unlikely to run in the derby theres list a mile long with entries this time of the year.
Its impressive on face vaule i dont know what the times are like or anything of any real evidence.
Its a Gosden trained horse with quality breeding so for that reason also its potential.
A force to be reckoned with!
@Paul Morgan I take it back what I said Paul Haha
@Paul Morgan same the breeding got me interested.
Oh well If you want a horse for the future then art power is your earner.
NICE MOVEMENT ONE TO PUT IN THE BOOK
A proper derby candidate
@Paul Morgan 😀😆
Lights out turn of foot! Well done. Could have had another go around with the same outcome!
The RPR of 94 on his debut is a very very positive figure .. it would put him in the Darley Dewhurst ... Positive recorded an RPR of 84 on debut and he rode not far off Pinatubo who is the highest officially rated 2 year of the last quarter of a century, higher than even Frankel .. so this is a very exciting debut effort, long way to go but nothing beats seeing the possible potential ahead.
that was a serious turn of foot. 22/1 for the derby tho is ridiculous but you never know.
Was the trainer present? This grade of track could do with highly-rated trainers showing their faces.
Rem Remy owner was trainer weren’t
11 seconds furlong on debut... impressive
Sunday stroll travelled like a dream but wide awake very precocious type
It’s nice to see that trainers won’t rush nice horses and the all weather is there just in case they come to hand and they feel there ready to run ...didn’t enable start off at Newcastle on the tapeta.?
They were crawling. Topspeed 47 for the winner says it all: a half decent horse was entitled to sprint away. Nice turn of foot from a visual point of view for sure to be fair. Need to see it in a proper race again before saying this is anything special, though.
Which makes it all the more impressive that he can put that distance between him and the others.
@@danvalentine7238 Far from it. He travelled close enough to the sedated pace to profit from it. It's an advantage being close/up with the pace in a slowly run race. He was obviously much the best horse in a really poor race, hence could sprint away easily. None of the others in this field have even come close to win a race so far. That's not to say winner isn't any good. He may well be a good one. The future will tell. But it certainly can't be judged by this performance. Otherwise we'd need to call any half decent maiden winner a future superstar.
@@robertobhro I understand what ur saying but it's still hard to do.i did some sectionals compared to the county and was 2 seconds faster from 3 out to last and those horse are not far off champ hurdle quality.he looks a freak considering he still looks green and could improve.i think he wins the champion next year hands down.
Sorry mate I'm on the wrong vid.still think this one is a beast though.
10/1 for the Derby at the moment . Looks like he was motoring on at the end . Epsom must suit him by the way he handled that left turn.
12/1 with ladbrokes worth a go on him even maby e/w
Interesting yes
Left turn...
NO SHIT YES SR THIS IS A RUNNER HOW ABOUT THE TIME OF THAT RACE PLUS IN WHAT DISTANCE.BUT I KNOW HE'S A MONSTER
How Waldkonig runs against winners will say a lot.
Looks another good one for gosden
Agreed
Wow he sure showed a massive turn of foot put them away in a stride thats got to be at least a 9 or 10 length win
HE JUST TOOK OFF.
Wow!
Very impressive he will be put away for the grass season surely.
Wouldn’t worry too much about the time here. The last 2 1/2 f was ridiculous. It’s hard to say what he beat but he could go straight into listed races next season and turn out to be a classy horse
Paul Morgan I guess it depends where they place him. But I can see this one in Godolphin blue with J Doyle on board. I think there are a load of top 2 yr olds for this one to worry about though. This could be overhype but time will tell. I know the distance going forward will be a mile 2f
@@phobsdsr4326 in my opinion I don't think the owner will sell but money talks.
Paul Morgan So do I to be honest. Would be good to see him go on from here and turn out to be a real talent which he may well be. I would say he has to be above average but as I said before, many are and he could be punted into 8/11 or something on 3yr old debut over a mile, get turned over and then go in at 7/2 in a better race over further distance. The horse racing game is very deep so you gotta watch what they do and where they position the talent. Know when to watch and know when to get involved (from a gambling perspective). I want this one to be top draw as it will give me big confidence in this sire going forward. By the way, still take heed of all new Frankel 2yr olds and the 3 yr olds having their first run. People have gone off them as they don’t always deliver as in Frankels first season as a sire but they will always have class and definitely worth checking the dam side of any offspring.
steven clark tbh I would hope the owners don’t sell. They didn’t sell their star who was the sire to this one in the same colours who dethroned Enable going for her 3rd Arc and that may inspire them to hang onto this one. If not, big money coming their way and very familiar silks will be on display. I wouldn’t be surprised if K Abdullah snaps him up
Great debut win from a horse with a great pedigree, but this time of year on the AW what has he beat? Interesting to see where Johnny G starts him off next year.
He's probably not beaten much there tbh but will be interesting for next year, spectacular pedigree.
Rob havlin gangster
@@colinweir3204 agreed. Also seeing who his half brother is will hopefully be around for a couple more seasons
Look where enable started her career
That looks better than pinatubo. Serious derby contender
Aw vs turf pinaturbo is a monster
Where do they race thoroughbreds on the dirt at night???
Basically, the Horse has a better night vision than the human , so...where is the problem about night horseracing?
Run at night all the time in the U.S..
A good horse in a weak field.
It led with its right foot but the reach wasn't great. His left leg also flicks a little.
First run though so worth following never the less.
What a win first time out on safe a/w track. Gosden's training easy when you have this quality of colt. Wonder who's going to make an offer for him as clearly this was a display.
an offer???
tina silver Godolphin, Lloyd Webber or Princess Haya. I would guess one of the 3 may come in for this one. Was a very nice debut and you can see he will come on for it loads. Will be a beast over 1m 2f and one to look out for next year but I suspect they’ll be a fair few. From this stable alone.
@@phobsdsr4326 He's owned by same man who owns the Arc winner, don't think he'll need the cash or be in a hurry to sell out.
nicholas byrne yeah, I know the colours. Waldgeist. Beat Enable and has won a couple decent races in UK too. I suspect he’ll keep this one and grew these owner colours and hopefully see more talent in this outfit. Waldgeist was out of Galileo so this one could be well above average.
@@nicholasbyrne4170 Was thinking the same thing. 🙄
4 Months ago...What is the Story on this Horse?....Did he run again yet?...Will he run again?
Wow, considering he was a bit green but he has a very bright future.....
Chris esech and Alex mammy and Dadday are a very good dog and they
In the morning somebody might be pulling him up at the wrong place .Maybe thats why he went to the outside .
Drifted a little in the stretch, he's a bit green; but, he looks like he can run a hole in the wind. We'll see...
Okay petty then pretty stakes " leave a re March "⚖.
It was the favourite
Winning that strong though the odds paid well considering he blew away the rest of the field. Paid in the +.
what a stunning introduction, and has the pedigree to match, Kingman. Spectacular performance and clearly this is an exceptional horse and lets hope he stays sound to go to the very top. Hope its OK to share this video with my members at my free horse racing website at www.tipsterchallenge.com I will credit the video courtesy of At The Races of course unless you advise otherwise.
Kingman's may be fast, but I haven't seen a top class one stay sound yet
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Wonder horse at Wolverhampton! Fibre sand? Handicap hurdler at best
The names Enable and Jack Hobbs mean anything to you? I think Mr Gosden knows what he's doing by debuting these 2yo's on the AW in the middle of winter, don't worry
@Paul Morgan not remotely Paul. He insinuated that he couldn't be up to much based on the fact he was starting off at Wolverhampton on the fibre sand. I said nothing of the horse at all, the ONLY point I made was that using that as a basis with Gosden's horses wasn't an indicator of their standing in his yard, as history has clearly proven. That point stands regardless of what Waldkonig's done since? At which point was I meant to start 'feeling like a dick' exactly?
@Paul Morgan i quite agree, and I'm more than happy to admit when I do. So if you could just point out what I "got wrong" in my initial comment then I'll happily concede
@Paul Morgan you have serious issues with comprehension. At no point did I compare him to Enable and Jack Hobbs, I merely used them as examples as to why the horses ability shouldn't be dismissed on the basis that he made his 2yo debut on fibre sand. Get it yet?
The time was 1:50.71
Too slow....
It depends to the track
@@mateocarrasco2990 that is true....correct...
@Galen Joyce at the equibase website for race results..... www.equibase.com
Waldkonig wasn't the pace setter.
Saying it was slow, still ran them ragged
Yeah. That's a nice horse 😅
Derby winner 2020?
@Paul Morgan I wouldn't give up on him just yet, his brother improved with time and racing
He beat no hopers relax.....!!
Hel do bugger all in the derby
Better on right hander
Anybody fancy 25/1 for the Derby..
Pablo hernandez will get better with age
Could be a half decent sort
Would not take 1000/1 for derby against o'Brien's horses
@@scouserdan3 u stick to your all weather raceing arsewipe let the real punters deal with turf raceing
You don't even have a viable comeback to my question hahahaha nonce I've forgotten more about racing, turf, flat, NH, international than you will ever ever know come back after the derby well talk again
@@scouserdan3 ok deal let the raceing do the talking not some 10p punter like yerself
Any tips for tomorrow's racEing Steve my man lol
@@scouserdan3 what's the nap for Saturday bro
Got put in his place in the guineas 🙄
He didn't run in the Guineas
I know Frankie is a great jockey but you have to feel a bit sorry for Rab with horses like these.
How confident are you in Enable winning the Arc next year?
@@Getsumsimm I'm never really confident of any horse winning the Arc due to so many factors involved, such as the draw, field size and opposition, luck in running and at the moment not really knowing how good next seasons crop of 3YOs/the classic generation will be.
I backed Dancing Brave when he won it and he was probably the one I was most confident about, with maybe Sea The Stars next but I also backed Hurricane Run in two Arcs where Fallon basically gave the horse the same ride but got the split when winning but didn't when 4th.
I honestly cant see anything beating her With a good prep.
Very poor perfoermance today. Don't know if that was inexperience but the horse got exposed badly. I don't think he can match the achievements of stable-mate Waldgeist.
Dettori never put him into the race yesterday........ Overrated big time me thinks
Overrated
I think you will live to eat those words. Forget about the opposition, Waldkonig looked the real deal to me, beautiful beast of a horse and a fantastic stride on him. I reckon Johnny G has another future champion in his yard.
Crap