That’s the WRONG WING! But they had no Choice
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2020
- The Story of the "DC-2 and a Half" is one I have heard my whole life. Today I wanted to dig deep and find out more about this amazing story!
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Modern aviation: "We are unable to fly this aircraft because the hot water in one of the three lavatories doesn't work."
Back then: "We've got the wrong wing, this thing is marginally capable of flight, but sure, we'll take a full load!"
How things have changed! It also reminds you that it's not just those who flew planes with guns or bombs that had balls of steel!
I can beat that! A flight of mine got scrubbed because a door in the galley had been replaced -- but the required placard was unavailable! You are limited to two flights in that condition, and mine was the third, so it didn't happen. On the other hand, it is said that regulations are written in the blood of pilots (aircrew, passengers), so actually, it's probably good to be living in an un-heroic time where such heroic measures are seldom necessary.
Sure but just keep in mind. The dc3 is a fairly simple aircraft that you are comparing to these modern hyper efficient airliners.
Yes, it wasn't just the pilots with guns. It was also the passengers.
@@wordsmithgmxch As a commercial air mechanic, i have to ask you something. But first, some praise and reflection.
We talk about the ww2 (or pre-war) days of aviation with bits of nostalgia. And i don't really blame anyone for that.
Those days were the wild west days of aviation. Where you could do almost anything you wanted with little more than your local sheriff telling you to knock it off.
No big deal.
Back then, if you had to or dared to do it, you could do things like what was discussed in this video.
If a smaller wing, while not as effective as a proper sized wing, could provide enough lifting moment force to keep the plane even and up, it _could_ be done. It'd be unsafe as hell. But in the desperation of war, anything goes.
However.
We are not in the desperation of war.
The DC-3 is my alltime favorite aircraft. It is one of the most dependable, reliable, robust planes ever built. Very simple in overall design. Extremely short landing and takeoff performance even at maximum weight. Can handle almost any kind of weather. You could even overload it a tiny bit if you really had to. It has more than earned it's christening "Skytrain." And some companies, as an example in this video, still use them today for cargo. And maybe for passengers too in a few places.
But, as i said, we are not in "do or die" times, praise be. And regarding the "missing placard" issue, my question is this.
Would you take your family to fly in a DC-3 if you saw one of the wings was drastically shorter than the other? Even if it was a full complete wing?
Or if you saw the lav door was hanging on one hinge, or came from Home Depot?
Or if one of the windows was loose in its place?
If you would, why?
If you wouldn't, why not?
Planes were a lot simpler back in the day
I seem to remember reading somewhere that when the last 747 goes to the boneyard the crew will fly home in a DC3.
this year from what i read
@@Excitable101 The 747 will be around for a long time yet, I just hope I get a flight on one before passenger flights end with the type.
@@Fedaykin24 I know of a Murican who has been a passenger on the cargo 747. It's bit less comfortable, but far more room.
Not before they load her up with spare parts . . . & all the bulbs from the Boeing : )
@@Excitable101 747f is still going strong
6:10 They never asked for permission. When I was a young officer in the Army I learned quickly that it is almost always better to ask for forgiveness than for permission!
Yeh, as long as your daring pays off, if not its CURTAINS for you, nobody has your back then.....Haha
"I didn't know you couldn't do that." - Dave Chapelle.
That was a favorite motto of Rear Admiral (Lower Half) Grace Hopper, USN, pioneering computer scientist. She said, "Well, you have to be a bit of an actress: 'Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know!'" The motto of the USS Hopper is drawn from her remark: "AUDE ET EFFICE", Latin for "Dare and do."
I had a dog once that figured out forgiveness came easier than permission. I miss that hound, but damn did I have go to to lengths to keep her out of the garbage.
My father was head of maintenance for CP Air and was called upon by Boeing to help train mechanics for CAAC in the early 80’s. One of the Chinese translators , a Mr Woo, was an engineer that built the DC 2 1/2. He spoke in great detail of his role in repairing the aircraft and after his talk he gave me a picture of the aircraft, and autographed it in both English and Chinese. It remains in my office to this day.
"Where do you think we should set the trims for take off Capt?"
"Fish."
"Roger that . . . . . . rolling!"
Awesome story. Told my grand kids "Only ask permission if you DON'T want to do something". Asked them not to tell their parents I said that.
During the war in the Pacific, the USAAF had a few C-47's that were outfitted as "flying machine shops" and were equipped with air compressors, a lathe, milling machine, sheet metal shear, gasoline powered generators, and a complete outfitting of hand tools and whatnot. In addition, "kits" were devised for hauling different wing panels beneath the belly and the Goons hauled replacement wings for the P-47, P-38, B-17, B-25, PBY, etc just like the CNAC hauled the DC-2 wing for the DC-2 &1/2. By utilizing the C-47s as mobile repair ships many damaged aircraft were able to be repaired at forward airfields or wherever they had limped into after combat, get patched up, and then were ferried back to repair depots where they could be properly repaired and then put back into service. There's a picture of one in "The Plane that Changed the World". There was also a C-47 in the Pacific that made a Zero kill. The Zero collided with the Dak and didn't survive, but the C-47 limped back home!
I've heard the C-47 received credit for the kill.
@@pierrearonnax3100 Yes, it did.
Another great video. My grandpa was a “Hump Pilot” flying B-24s, he had some crazy stories. If you do a video on that, I would love it.
I always remember a film about flying over “The hump” with Alan Ladd and William Bendix as Co pilot.
Asked how he managed to navigate at night he replied -
Iv got a red light on the port wingtip and a green light on the Starboard wingtip. I just keep the aeroplane in the middle,
This is an awesome piece of history, and I recall reading about the incident long, long ago, before the age of the Internet! Thank you for bringing this back, Mikey!! Stay well!
I too remember reading about this so long ago. And part of the version I read included the information that the holes were patched with water based glue which washed off in a rain shower and the wind made a howling noise through all the holes. She was said to have been called "Whistling Willie".
Loving the historical content
the C47/DC3/R4D5 has an incredible storied history. history that is still being made.
Now that is plane saving!
Great story Mikey!! The Greatest Generation with the "can do" attitude. Thanks for keeping these historical birds in the public eye. Greetings from Minnesota
There are time when over building an airplane has advantages! I already knew this story Mikey but very much like your presentation, commentary and production are as always superb!
I remember hearing about the story of the DC two and a half in high school. Thanks for the great details.
Thank you for another aviation nugget of GOLD. I had never fully realized how special and resilient the DC-3 is. From an early age I have always loved the beauty of her lines.
Keep giving us these nuggets of fantastic DC-3 history. Love it.
My Dad flew the hump to get to Xi'an China where he spent the rest of WWII. He said one time they were flying 55 gallon drums of gasoline as the cargo. He said in China all fields have a wall eventually. The C47 started up and the pilot realized he couldn't clear the wall that was coming up, so he at the last minute stopped the plane by swinging it around close to the wall. He said the pilot came back and said we have to lighten this load. Also on board between the drums were more than a few USAAF personnel. He said several volunteered not to go, but my Father was committed. The plane then started again got up to speed and the wall was coming up, the pilot anticipating the wall ran without flaps, but before the wall he dropped the flaps pulled on the yoke cleared the wall then rolled again in the field beyond the wall until the air speed was enough to take off. My father told several of these stories of life in China/India Theater. It made WWII sound like fun. Later, my father served in Korea in the USAF calling in Close Air Support (CAS) for the Army. He hated the Korean war. He said it as ugly, brutal and he came home wounded. But his time in China is one McHale's Air Force story after another.
Mickey thank you for taking such good care of the "Grand Old Ladies" of the sky. I envy you for being able to be around these legends of the sky. My early days in aviation was flying these planes and I must say that they always took me home. As I grow older, my DC3 flying days are fond memories.
people back days were fearless, true heroes and adventure seakers like character of Indiana Johnes
As a kid in the U.K. some time in the early 70s, I was given ‘air experience’ in Dehaviland Chipmonks trainers. One Saturday we were supposed to fly from Plymouth airport but when we got there it was too windy. So we all loaded back on the bus to go to Exeter airport where it was calmer. Weirdly the bus arrived at Exeter before the planes. Nothing to do I wangled it for a small group of us to walk over to an crappy old hanger on the far side of the airport because I could see the doors were ajar. We snuck in the hanger- could you imagine the nanny state letting kids do that now unsupervised?- and found 1 and 3/4 abandoned DC3s. We had about 20 to scramble over these things before we had to go. At a date I do not remember a buddy of mine went on a private US plane wreck tour with a friend. They drove past a crappy hanger one day and noticed its doors were ajar. He persuaded security to let him on the airfield to have a look around. They found 2 abandoned B1 bombers, covered in dust and bird poop- this was between B1s being secret, then cancelled, then secret again. But he didn’t have much time to clamber over them and take as many pictures as possible before security began to think that maybe they shouldn’t have let a couple of foreigners in after all. Those pictures were developed in a British chemist photo department.
A DC-3/C-47 landed at an island in the pacific during WWII. All of the oil leaked out of one of the engines, but there was no motor oil on the island. So they used vegetable oil in one of the engines.
I loved this history. Thank you for sharing your love of aviation.
Ahh!! And those NDB Alpha approaches to 400 agl to a 3,000 feet runway. You feel like a Titan when taxiing back to the ramp.
DC-3: I have so many stories to tell. So much so that by the time I finish the 737 MAX would be back in service
A320: I L A N D E D O N T H E H U D S O N
A320 crashed into wooded area (not hidden) on 1st entry to service flight because of computers. Considered a 'major embarrassment' to Airbus.
Fine, did you taxi and take off from there though? whippersnappers.
It's almost a better boat, than an airplane.
Goose bumps! Mikey, truly well done. Thank you, Colorado Kurt
you are getting so good at this.what a great story and you present it so well! what happened to the DC3 1/2. where did it end up?
www.cnac.org/accident024.htm
@@anmous69 ooh. So it’s still in the river somewhere...
@@fabulousprofound Yeah! Dredge her out of the river and put some oil in her, she'll fly!
DC-2 1/2
I read that it had been properly repaired after it got home.
Hey Mikey, at least you guys have the right tools! I remember moving 2198 from Cloverdale to the Museum of Flight in Langley B.C. We had to remove and reinstall those wings using a tow truck (Thanks Davis Truck tow) to lift them into place and then start the LONG slow process of installing those bolts with two 9/16 Craftsman wrenches, one quarter turn at a time! Since the oleos were completely collapsed. we worked in a hunched position most of the time because it was too high to kneel and too low to stand
I don't know how you always come up with these great stories.
thanks Mikey
SWEET!!! That's the only thing you can say about this story -- except maybe to send a big Thank-you to Mickey for telling this fantastic tale so fantastically well.
Man o man Mikey......... these just keep getting better... Miss all you guys... keep em flying bud!!
My copy is called “The Dragon’s Wings” by William M. Leary, Jr. - it even has a figure named CNAC’s “DC-2 1/2”.
I have heard this story before, but you told it best!
Another thought. These days with the great progress in materials, the knowledge of materials and the programs to use each material to its best advantage has given us more range, economy and payload. Construction can be closer to the edge. Paul Young pointed out that when things were designed with slide rules and rules of thumb there was a tendency to err conservatively so that unusual circumstances, such as this, could be accommodated because of the extra material and construction built into the product. There are advantages to each.
More awesome DC-3 content, love it!! Keep it up, Mikey! Stay well.
Known of this story for many years but is still cool to hear about it again... Good job Mikey on keeping history alive
Thanks for your enjoyable and informative program. This channel is fast becoming my favorite aviation channel. Keep up the great work!
Love hearing these stories. Would love to see a dc3 up close some day but not that common in Ireland haha.back then men where men. Now most men or soft and love a sick day
I had heard of this. Thank you Mikey for a detailed story. Always love your stories please keep them coming. P. S. Give Chucky a hello from “The Boeing Guy” 😎
Thanks for the update Mikey
I have said it before and I will now say it again, A very big thank you for enlightening the Aviation community to the real value of these Aircraft.
Absolutely loving these history videos. Thanks for sharing!
Another fine video! I sure am enjoying all of these. Take care.
A really interesting piece of aviation history. Thanks for all of the details surrounding this story.
As always, nice one Mikey.
Incredible story Mikey. And, what a story teller you have become!
Keep up the great reporting of stories on the DC-3/C-47. You are doing a great job!
G'day,
Yay Team !
Good job.
Here in Oz, in the 1970s, the Aeronautical History Books I grew up with, this Aircraft's Chapter-Heading was,
"The Douglas
DC-2 & 1/2..." !
I was always amazed that the Wing Flange Bolt-Holes off the "2" lined up with the DC-3's Centre-Section Flange's Bolt Holes.
Such is Life,
Have a good one...
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
Absolutely awesome Mikey.
I never knew.
Thanks for the lesson, I learn so much from your channel.
Keep up the great work
I went to School at FIT in Florida. When in Flight School we referred to this plane as the DC-2 1/2...Edit... I wrote this while the video was playing and then you brought up the fact that it was referred to as the DC-2 1/2. When I was in School we thought what ingenuity... But what I always wanted was a Stagger-Wing Beech!
Dude! I’m so stoked… I found your YT channel! I was a huge fan of ice pilots. And now I’m a budding Avgeek (espically with the warbirds). Keep up the good work!
😱😱 what an amazing story! Plane savers might need to be renamed as “Aviation History Channel”. Great content lately , keep up the great work Mikey..
This is a fascinating story!! Keep up the great work on this channel! 👍👍👍
Great history story!! Thanks for sharing that. I had no idea that happened.
I cannot believe there are so many awesome stories about the dc-3! This is fast becoming my favourite aircraft of all time.
Beautiful sky behind you, Mikey.
That is really cool Mikey I love the history you come up with about these old birds keep up the great work Mikey.
Another great video Mikey!! Thanks!!
Awesome as always Mickey, very interesting!
A perfect job Mikey appreciate your efforts in all you do bud!✌
Fantastic aviation history, great work Mikey.
Amazing story! Love it!
Hi Mikey, thanks for yet another awesome history lesson. The work you put into these is just fantastic 👌
Well done Mickey, what a terrific presentation of a fantastic historic story. 👍🏻
great info Mikey!..thanks for video. be kind.
Great story. You sir, are a steely eyed encyclopedia of all things DC-3.
SCE to AUX! I see what you did there!
Amazing stories Mickey 👍👍 enjoy them very much
This channel SHOULD have well over a Million subscribers....this channel is that good....I try and help spread the word to grow the channel upward. The Content continues to improve and improve great job Mikey and Company..Buffalo Airways...
Huge thank you Quinton!!! Very much appreciated
Amazing! You now everything about DC 3! Great story!
Thanks for this video! Very interesting!
Great story Mickey! Keep it up.
Very interesting content Mikey thanks!
CNAC is the 1st modern airlines in China. It still existed until 21st century. It is one of the most important part in Chinese Aviation History. Today’s Air China and China Airlines both have relationships with CNAC. Recently there was a memorial flight by DC3 with the original CNAC livery in China.
What a mental story but with happy n heroic outcome. A tribute to the Mathusila with wings... brilliant 👍
What a story?! Enjoyed it, thanks Mikey!👍🏻
Those guys had some stones I tell you. Great stuff Mikey, thanks.
Your historical videos are really good and easy to watch - they could easily be packaged into half-hour programs and shown on the History Channel.
A very interesting video Mikey, thanks.
This is an amazing story! Thanks, Mikey!
Excellent reporting Mikey.
Mikey, Your production values get better with every video. The C-47 has a rich history, so many tall tales and narrow escapes.
Great Story, thanks Mikey
Great job on the production Introduction. I watched it 4 times. Excellent.
Thank John! (x4)
Thanks for another interesting aviation tale on the venerable DC-3. In truth, the historic tales are fascinating.👍🛩🛩🛩👍
I think that the book "The Plane That Changed The World" referred to this bird as the "DC-2 1/2". LOL
Love the history of the DC-3!
Where have I been for the past 68 years; I hadn't heard this fantastic story..!! I knew about "Flying the Hump", but not this amazing story...WOW....!! Absolutely bravery and ingenuity and determination, and to hell with the red tape, we'll tell them when it's over..!! Thank you so much, Mikey McBryan, for this wonderful bit of history.
Best episode man thats just awesome i had to watch it again brother
I remember back in Jr high school days reading a book I think it was simply titled "DC-3". One of the story in it was this CNAC aircraft with a DC-2 wing. Wouldn't mind finding the book and reading it again.
GREAT VID MIKEY!!! Love the continual history we have of our beloved Gooney's!
Thanks Mikey, Cheers Sten
Gooney bird from the Electra album, heh!!! that's awesome.
I frist herd about that story from the same book I found out about the DC-3 flout plane and glider! One of the best flying stories ever!
Great presentation!
Great story! Liked and subbed.
What a great story and so well narrated .
Super Mikey....great job
Great video - Thanks
Another great documentary! I'm going to purchase the book China's Wings!
Amazing! Good work Mikey. Cathay Pacific was started by 2 pilots who flew the Hump.
Kai Tak airport now closed and land repurposed was rich in aviation history and DC-3 operations.
Incredible story loved it👍👌