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Have you heard of wraith the oblivion it's a tabletop rpg that's is about death and being a ghost and living in a death world and with legions of ghost for example (legion of iron if you die of old age,emerald legion if you died in a accident and legion of fate if you are chosen by fate to die yes she is a person) and oh i forgot tell you about guilds teach ghost power like the artificer that turn ghost into coins and bricks for the necropolis because that is only thing you can work with there
The point of the phrase 'memento mori' is actually a humbling reminder against hubris. 'Remember that you will die.' That is, no matter how rich, how famous, how accomplished you are... you are still a mortal, and no different from any other ultimately. Your life WILL end. Your money WILL pass into other hands. Your fame WILL fade. Your accomplishments WILL be forgotten one day. You are ultimately no different, no greater, no better, than anyone else. Because you, too, will die. And you should remember that and not get wrapped up in all that, not let that all go to your head... because in the face of the ultimate truth of your mortality that is really all as substantial and important as dust blowing in the wind. 'Memento Mori' on a tombstone is, in short, saying 'I was as you are, I am as you will be, nothing you do, gain, or accomplish in life will ever change that, so never think yourself better than everyone because you are really no different at all.'
@OtakuUnitedStudio grammatically correct, but it loses that song-song rhyme. "Well, I'd rather be happy than right, any day." "And are you?" "Am I what?" "Are you happy?" "No, not really." -Arthur Dent and Slartibartfast, The Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy
“You’re not meant to think about it, it’s entertaining :D” when I was 14 I saw Corpse Bride and I was so terrified that life after death was just that small place, and you just live forever if you can’t move on. I had a major depressive episode after that lol.
Really? I always liked that movie's message about how "at the end of the day we all end up in the grave." I mean life is short, why waste it hating yourself or hating other people?
@@Kazooples I'm in my mid-20s. There's a quote from Exurb1a that applies here, I think: "Some of us, even your pompous narrator here, never really recovered from that phase."
@@LunaRoseManori think heather's out of the age range to fit the tiny girl demographic. silent hill 1 however does fit the genre if the tiny girl is allowed to not be the protagonist
Ah, I do like the black desert as a transitional place or the Discworld's "limbo" standin, but there isn't really much depth to it. When it comes to the realm of death in Discworld his house is much more interesting, but again that's not a place for the dead, just for Death and his chosen family. In the end, although he toyed with the idea in a few ways in the Tiffany Aching books, I think Terry was far more concerned about what people did in life than what they found in death.
In finnish folklore, the realm of the dead was more or less literally the same as the real one, just underground so everything was bit darker. Later/in other parts it was considered as a place where you went to sleep, after the hard work of being alive, which might be the reason for the finnish saying "death pays back/fixes your sleep debts" (kuolema korjaa univelat) ...this paints Finland as a super thrilling place, I know.
As someone who has a lot if Finnish ancestry, I always joked that we aren't exactly known for anything. No tropes or anything to call our own. Now that I've heard that phrase, well, I guess I have something now? 😅
My mother taught us that death was just sleeping, literally just a long, long sleep. I don't think her family was Finnish, but it was an interesting belief. No heaven, no hell, no reincarnation. You just sleep and aren't really conscious of anything.
"The Good Place" is another interesting take on the world of the dead, running into the abstract problems of dealing with eternity and having literal discussions about the philosophies on life and death.
Right, but the designations of Heaven and Hell are still cut and dry. They’re just called the good place and the bad place. The really interesting thing is the spin that’s put on both concepts and how people are tortured for eternity and what truly warrants being classified into both places one way or another
They focus more on morality than the afterlife itself, though, the final season focusing more on the purpose of the afterlife was interesting. Spoilers The Bad Place becomes a test to draw out the good in people so that they qualify for the Good Place. The Good Place becomes a place of infinite time and resources for people to live out a bucket list of things they wanted to do in life. It is an extension of life, so that one can find closure. Then comes The Door. The true death. Once you're ready, when you feel that you've experienced enough, walk through it, and you are no more. All that remains are good intentions passed on to those still living. The reasoning behind this design is that life is given the deepest of meaning when one has reasons to live, but know that there is an ending to it all. One of the best thought out afterlives I know of.
@celestialspino D's brother Darian is definitely insane but D(Devin)isn't really.While he may be over zealous in his beliefs he is not really insane just single minded.Even though he knows Rogier has different beliefs to him on those who live in death, he does nothing to attack him or Fia who he also knows is sympathetic of them. However Darian is definitely insane though as shown when he attacks and kills Fia unprompted. While you might think it's because she killed D, Darian doesn't know this and just kills her for being in proximity to Godwin. After doing so he stands over her corpse laughing his head off with sword held aloft.Not exactly the moniker of someone who is right in the head. Sorry for the fairly incohesive paragraph , I just think they're really interesting characters overall.
I like how Death is a place in Garth Nyx's Old Kingdom series. Death as a place is a nested series of transitional realms, connected by a river, with an inexorable pull deeper that can only be overcome with necromancy or becoming a twisted, vampiric spirit. Only at its deepest is there a transition to something beyond, about which all we know is the finality of the crossing. The river in Death is also used as a way to explain the weakness of undead to running water in the realms of the living.
isn't death a river that has challenges to be overcome through willforce [or bypassed with magic] edit: forgot that mc of the first book resurrects a rabbit as the first act of charter lmao
I really do think that more authors/film writers should use a concept like this a lot more, it's just so damn interesting to explore, and the creativity that could unfold would be really interesting.
People have told me that here in Mexico we're obsessed with death, and I gotta say yeah! I never thought about it until people told me but that's basically what Dia de los Muertos is. You shouldn't crave for death, don't get me wrong, you should live as long as possible, but don't be afraid when the time comes. It's part of life after all
understanding dia de los muertos as someone far far away from any influences of mexican culture brought me a new perspective of life-death relationship, and yes it does help me value and respect life more than i used to. although my people too have traditions regarding death, but not as vivid as dia de los muertos: mostly we have events to commemorate someone’s death either a hundred days or a thousand days after, in which we gather families and folks to a feast where everybody gets to talk and connect with each other, as well as other religious ceremonies to pray to the dead. it’s called _tahlilan,_ and tho it’s not as vivid, the aspect of valuing life is still there. i have times doing this for some of my late families or friends
MAY BIRD???? I USED TO LOVE THAT SERIES!!! whenever I bring it up to ppl they've never heard of it-- I cannot believe one of my favorite channels knows about it!!
On tim burton esque worlds of death I'd like to add del toro's more recent pinocchio. Pinocchio dies many times, the world of the dead is eerie with skeletal mice carrying coffins. Sometimes the mice play cards. Pinocchio doesn't realise he's dead though, and is sent to the death sphinx This is where death is trivialised for pinocchio. Since the source of his life is unnatural, he doesn't have the concept of death, the sphinx will just keep him around longer each time he dies There's likely a lot more to look into with worlds of death or worlds we're meant to move onto, maybe there are worlds of death that don't immediately present themselves that way
This video jogged a long-buried memory of a book I read in middle school, called Elsewhere. It's about a fifteen year old girl who dies and ends up in Elsewhere, a limbo realm between death and rebirth. It hit so hard as a deeply depressed kid, reading about a girl grieving and fixating on her own life. It's cathartic. Highly recommend if you want a book that will make you cry.
I feel like death as a place would more be like an adventure if that makes sense? Like there is your core hidden somewhere completely random in this huge world, and the adventures you come across while searching for the core may differ from person to person. And after finding your core you finally reach the great beyond, where your soul finds itself in eternal peace.
There's a book called Moonflower that actually talks about this exact topic. It depics death as a place that is timeless and on a kind of different plane of existence. It's an amazing book, especially for a middle school level book (at least I think so, I did read this in 8th grade). It also talks about themes of depression and suicide
I think one of my favorite depictions of death as a place has to be in Pixar's Coco. It feels like a habitable world where the dead either live their day to day (un)lives or they relish in doing what they want, the most prevalent is making art and music. And as silly as the skeleton antics can be, they do take death seriously. Every Day of the Dead, skeletons that are remembered by their families and friends and have their pictures put up are able to cross over into the living world and see them again. However, if their pictures aren't put up or are left forgottenby the living, they simply fade away into what they call "the final death." As said by American novelist Ernest Hemingway: "Every man has two deaths, when he is buried in the ground, and the last time someone says his name."
That's what I don't like about it. It is a nightmare of class warfare and depriving people (undead?) of basic amenities even though there are obviously plenty of people who are given more than enough to share.
I love the Discworld series for many reasons, but one is that there is only one time the world of the dead is shown to us. And the fact that it is nothing but an endless desert is horrifying
One of my favourite interpretations of death is the one the game Spiritfarer offers, you play as as substitute of the boatman Charon with your job being gathering dying souls, accompanying them in their last moments to the everdoor, a portal that connects to the great beyond, the kicker is that you never get to know what's behind the everdoor, you take care of these dying souls, fulfilling their lasts earthly desires, and once they're ready you take them to the everdoor, they say their goobyes and poof, they're gone, their destiny unknown to you. I heavily recommend playing this game if you want to explore the concept of death further in media, the game is aesthetically beautiful and covers death in a pretty realistic and respectful manner despite its whimsical art style.
The book is by Richard Matheson. I have avoided the movie because other adaptations of his stories have been . . . awful. Andy Weir's The Egg presents death as both an experience and a place, but a temporary one.
@brikilian7834 I know you commented a while back but I only saw it now and I had to respond. Idk how I've gone through life without hearing this story. I just watched Kurzgesagt telling and I genuinely started to tear up. I have the orphic or "cosmic" egg tattooed on my left arm. My main hobby is philosophy especially ontology. This was such a simple and beautiful telling of my personal beliefs. I'm really glad you commented. Thank you.
Talebot, if you haven't done so already, you should absolutely watch The Good Place. It is the single most thoughtful (and hilarious) depictions of a death dimension I have ever seen. If this topic is of interest to you, I highly highly recommend it to you.
2 of my favorite death worlds are in a book series called ghost girl, and a movie called wristcutters. ghost girl is about a girl who dies in school choking on a gummy bear and ends up in this class for dead kids in an unknown part of the school, learning to live in such a way(theres also a goth girl who can see ghosts, of course). wristcitters is one of my favorite movies, and takes place after the main characters s*icide in whats essentially a downtrodden, abandoned version of the real world only being populated by those who took their own lives. its an amazing movie and i highly reccomend it!:)
I suffer from intense seizures. Since they started ive always imagined death to be like that time period before i regain consciousness. Its just a lack of anything forever, to the point you're not even aware there is nothing.
Ursula le Guin explores a very interesting representation of death as a place in the Earthsea books, one that's both painfully draining and starkly unnatural; somewhere that slowly takes away everything a person is and leaves them as a dry, empty husk. Minor spoilers, but by the time you get to the last Earthsea book you learn a lot more about why the Dry Place is this way, what's happening to the people who die and go there, and why it feels so wrong. It begins in the first book as a seemingly true afterlife, but by the end it has become a hubristic grab for immortality that goes against the cycles of nature.
Death isn't the worst thing to happen to someone, it's the worst thing to happen to someone else. We can worry about our own, but it will never hit as hard as losing the people we care for most. I don't think I have to worry about the afterlife. Whether it's even real or not. I just wish I wouldn't inflict the pain of my loss upon my friends and family.
In most of my stories, death as a place I imagine to be a wasteland, no good place, no bad place, just a place where you stay while barely conscious, a wasteland that ever so slightly resembles the world we live in now. Usually the spirits there only barely resemble their former selves. Weirdly, I find comfort in thinking that the afterlife will be nothing, that once I die, I won't really care, because I will hardly have a mind to remember or process it beyond life.
I don't know but whenever I'm tired I return to this channel as it is calm and a break from the usual over the top videos you find. Great channel and I hope it is recognised by other people worldwide👍
I've come to see death as part of life. There's the whole "two sides of the same coin" thing. For me it is still the same "coin". I'm reminded of a quote from the TV show 'Once Upon A Time' which said, "Life is made up of moments, good ones, bad ones, but they're all worth living." To me, death is part of life. A moment that everyone will experience one day. Yes, it is a serious moment, but there's still some comfort (for me at least) knowing we will *all* go through it. I think sometimes there's the overstressed on when a moment such as death will happen. I think this is a bit of a balancing act. Accepting death as a moment that I will go through, but reminding myself that there are plenty of moments before it, good and bad, that deserve time and attention too. All these moments are important because they are part of life. Death is part of life.
Having death be like just moving somewhere else is a nice feeling at first. But then you think of what could happen between two peoples death. Maybe it was your first partner who died young and now you’re a grandparent with your third partner. If death is also just so close to being alive, then they could also find someone else. It must also be total chaos, because there’s literally the greatest minds of every field there. Depending on if you act as before you died, or in your prime, or just how you felt most comfortable, then the afterlife could be the most advanced and most suppressive place. Who wouldn’t want an immortal worker who hasn’t heard about a pyramid scheme. It could be cool to see some version of that. Where someone takes over the afterlife so they can keep on learning forever
On this topic, I'd highly recommend the novel Dead Boys by Gabriel Squailia. It does a good job of fleshing out an afterlife by giving it its own cultures and mythologies and even religions, in a sense. Also, if you can track down the original script for Beetlejuice, the view of the afterlife is a bit different. There is no bureaucracy, no waiting in lines, it's an endless grey desert full of giant gears, grinding anything that happens into that realm into dust.
As a suicide survivor I have a strange relationship with death. I quite literally came to its door... And if I learned anything from it is that... Death is scary, but that's what makes life worth living. I don't seek death anymore... I just accepted it. I'll die? Yes, but... Until then... I'll live as best as I can... After all... Not everyone gets a second chance, might as well not miss mine, right?
Fellow survivor. I now just wait for it, going about my life and surviving for others. I know one day it'll come for me, too. I'm just trying to hold out til I'm the last one alive so I leave no one without me lol
I never felt more alive than those months following that dark springtime-having realized I had the power to kick it whenever I chose, it meant that I might as well try living all the ways I'd been too afraid to, ways I'd considered too risky or unrealistic. After all, if didn't work out, I'd just be back where I started, right, having given life an honest-to-goodness go, right? It's a powerful paradox. You look Death in the eyes, on your *own* terms, and you gain power over life. I stopped working my crappy job. Stopped paying my crappy rent. Was forced to live "nomad," but that's when my life became an adventure-I dedicated myself to art, damn the consequences, with naught but my sketchbook and... two duffel bags of clothes (hey, even homeless, I was still a diva ;p ). I met SCA folks, pirate renn fair types. And, thusly forced out of hidey-hole home, I was made to see how the world treated me, a young trans woman at the time, one year on HRT-I was accepted, embraced, loved. 🏳️⚧️💖💜💙 This was 2011, and I didn't even come to meet other trans girls until months later-back then, I never dreamed I could be anything other than a freak. Girl, was I *wrong*. Fear and shame brought me to Death's Door. *Compromising* with Her-not embracing or even running from Her-showed me how sublime Life can truly be. The power of Living is knowing you have a Choice. When life is meaningless suffering, Strength is NOT the path! MEANING is! We who Die before we Die access a *deep* wisdom. Live like you can CHOOSE to die tomorrow, flip LIFE the bird, and LIVE on YOUR terms!!! These days, when I'm in the dumps, I watch that dearest film, Wristcutters: A Love Story, and listen to Gogol Bordello. Listen to the words. Undestructable, and others from that album. The album has beautiful themes of survivong and THRIVING with neurodivergence. Of making your own way through poverty, as an outcast, as a stranger in a strange land, there power of community! And _damn_, the music is FUN and LIVELY! Blow Death a kiss for me, you brave travellers. And never cow to Fear. Be afraid, sure, but LIVE knowing YOU have the Power. Much love, and I encourage you to spread the message to other lost souls who need to hear this ✊✨🖤🤍💀🌼
16:01 “songs that warn you not to laugh as the hearse goes by…” Nice. Scary Stories was my favorite as a kid, and at one point I had memorized that entire song. Lol
The Land of the Death is a concept that fascinates me because humanity is defined by its fear of death, because we have no reliable means to confirm what happens when the body ceases to function, so it remains an unfounded frontier of discovery. I would love to write the Land of the Death as one of those Frontiers humanity seeks to conquer, akin to Outer Space and the Abyssal Depths. The Unknown is unbearable, and if we ever confirm if there is a place or oblivion, we will never be satisfied with the Absence of Life. We need to defile it, strip it of mysticism and expose it for what it is: Another Place. If we cannot do it, humanity is cursed to write the same stories of coping with death, because we don't know It.
The thought of going nowhere at all after I die doesn't scare me. After all, I was nowhere at all before I was born, and I don't remember it being all that bad.
You have been doing a lot of videos on Death and similar subjects. It has honestly been helping me with the death of the love of my life. It is certainly a hard thing to process when someone you love dies so young. You don’t really know what comes next and you really start asking when you are face to face with your own mortality. So watching them is helping a lot
If you are planning to do another death related video. May i suggest death as a business. There are mutiple peices of fiction that treats death as a job, including my favorite game, Have a nice death. I thought it would be a cool thing to cover.
The most scary place that meant to be death was in Torchwood which is a Welsh spinoff of doctor who. Where when you die it's nothing but you know that there is something somewhere that you can sense it. Then there was one character who died and came back but was still dead, he couldn't eat fell ect.
Sometimes I like to engage with the premise before watching, other times with specific points in the video while watching. I don't see any good reason to limit myself to only commenting after finishing a video, but to each their own!
@@coryhudson4581 ah no worries, missed the joke on my first read of your comment. In all seriousness tho I think it's valid, some people only like to come read or write comments when they're finished with the video. Others like to engage early, to discuss it as if we're watching it together. Sometimes these two groups clash - wonder if it's a worthwhile idea to tag or separate them somehow. Like, filter comments to only show from users who have watched 95% of the video, or something
It certainly is interesting to contemplate the way we perceive death in media, and the reasoning behind it. How it can be perceived in different ways: from a terrifying, inescapable common destination, to a fun idea to be played with (and speaking of jokes, I must apologize but by 17:03 I almost heard _"Omae wa mo shindeiru!"_ ). As a Mexican, our relationship with Death is... interesting: we revere it and show it respect in a fun and colorful way in paper, yet we're constantly reminded of its impending presence when we watch the news or check social media. Anyway, just wanted to say that it'd be interesting to contemplate in our day-to-day.
"It's just a moment." I think I agree with that. I think what the issue is with it is that it's, as you touched on, THE FINAL moment. Our whole lives lead up to it, whether we want it to or not, and some of us spend a huge amount of time thinking about it, worrying about it, hoping against hope it's not as bad as we think, wherever it ends up. I think it just ends up being a very preoccupying thing, even if it IS just the one moment.
Thanx for sharing this with us, Talebot. For so long, I’ve been stuck on the world-building aspect for a Halloween graphic novel I’m trying to write. Now, I basically have an image to work towards
Someone put their finger on it "I actually love these takes on the idea...they're also, probably intentionally, pretty shallow... it leaves me, i dunno, hungry' The underworld in Beetlejuice is so spectacular and elaborate but they never elaborate on it. My worst complaint is that I wish there was more of it, I wanted a peak into this world but you only pass through it as an audience
Oh my god, the May Bird series was such an influential series to me growing up. I adore May Bird - it will always have an extremely special place in my heart. It's a series that deserves so much more love and recognition. Its portrayal of the after life is so memorable. Even after years and years, I can remember its rules. I remember the Black Sea, I remember the Pit of Despair. I remember this story more than anything else I read in my childhood. This series remains a part of me long into adulthood.
A few thoughts. First, I love the movie What Dreams May Come (It's Robin Williams. What's not to love?) where he's playing someone who died and he can't let go. His journey through the afterlife brings him to reacquaint himself with his children who died some years before and letting his wife move on who is the only surviving member of this family. It's such a deep movie. It's one of my favorites. Second, I love the way the afterlife works in Coco. Your continued existence depends on who remembers you when you go. When the last person that remembers you dies, you fade away too. The reward in the afterlife is the impact you had on those around you during your life. And third, I read somewhere once that when a baby is born, it's not actually a significant point in their development. It's just a really bad day that they quickly forget because object permanence isn't a thing yet for them. I wonder now if death will be the same way.
i personally hope there's nothing after death. life is boring enough as it is, "existing" in one state of being or another for all eternity seems maddening...
Funny how life works. I literally spent a week pondering on things like this. Then I watched a Beetlejuice ad not even a minute before starting this video. I love your channel and have a long time. Keep up the fantastic work!
I once wrote Death as a farm and the Reaper as a farmer, scythe, hat and all. Each straw of wheat was a life that he would reap, indifferent to the times they spent alive or their personality. I liked the idea, but it felt a little too cold, so it's currently in idea stasis until further notice
A dimension that connectz the heartz of every living thing to itz own hour glass, so sensitive are these hour glassez that the vibration of each heart beat causez a grain of sand to fall. When all the sand has fallen, then the heart stopz and the hour glass remainz pristene and timeless, but if the heart stopz before then, the hour glass will crack or even shatter, depending on why the heart stopped first, and all the sand inside pourz owt until itz lost forever.
The video game Destiny does this. Light and Dark are seen as 2 deities known as the Gardener and the Winnower, respectively. The Winnower isn't evil, but it's not exactly the kindest being... or depending on your perspective of existence, it's the kindest and most merciful being.
A favorite of mine is the Land of the Dead from the video game Grim Fandango, inspired by the Mexican Dia de los Meurtos. Here, you're made aware right away that this place is only meant to be temporary, and your goal is to reach the entrance to the 9th Underworld (the Land of Eternal Rest). How you get there and how long it takes depends on how much money you were buried with (yes, you can take it with you) or how you lived. If you've lived a particularly good life, you can get a ticket on the Number Nine train, which shuttles you to the 9th Underworld in 4 minutes instead of the typical 4 years. The thing is that the road is long and difficult, filled with monsters that can kill you (again), and thus some people have settled into cities and jobs, seeing the Land of the Dead as their eternity. Some people, like protagonist Manny Calavera, owe some sort of debt they don't actually recall, so he works as a Reaper and finds a conspiracy that someone is rigging the system so that people who deserve Number Nine tickets aren't getting them. But the biggest thing is that you do reach the entrance of the 9th Underworld. You see a character you met previously walk down the tunnel, singing as he goes, and then...silence. At the end of the game, Manny and his new love Meche get to ride the train themselves, and it just made me sit back and take it all in while the credits rolled. Also related is the endings of episodes of The Twilight Zone and MASH, where ghosts are walking down a road to...somewhere.
One that comes to mind is the manga "Mieruko-chan". The whole story is about seeing ghosts, in our dimension, but even so, as the story progresses more and more we see there is a whole system for how the after-death works, some ghosts are shown to have good and bad intentions, some still helplessly try to complete something they couldn't finish, some still cling to the ones they lived in, both for good and bad reasons. And what I like the most about it... it never explains things, no exposition is given to it, we can only guess based on the little we see, and I love that. Please give it a chance if you can, it's a very fun and charming read
This is such a treat tale foundry I really love and enjoy all the content you create for us. Bettlejuice is one of the best comedy horror films out there. Ive learned so many wonderful things from your channel. Cheers and thankyou so much
I'm so happy you mentioned Maybird! It was one of my favorite book series growing up, and this is coming from someone who would read a book a week as a kid. It's a fascinating story unlike anything else I've read, and it's really nice to someone giving it attention.
I think Death from Discworld has the right amount of gravity. He is the ending of all things even gods have been made low by him, but he shows even death itself is not an ending to all things just an individual. The metaphorical torch will be passed on possibly for the better or worse, but different none the less. Also the idea of him being death not the afterlife, so he really doesn't know what's after he's just seen the array of paths the souls have taken. It is very personal to the individual. And of course a few stories focus of what if there was no Death?
@@pancakes8670 I mean, we make our deaths so important, such finalising and penultimate points in ours and others life. Treating it like it is something set apart, somnething unique. But really, death is the most natural thing in existance. The simple fact of causality and time existing in an universe with a finite amount of energy potential means it not just will, butmust happen. To everyone and everything. Even the universe itself will just still and stop at a far future point. Just like a reaction ends, a star explodes or peteres out, we will also end and die. Everything will at one point return into the nothing it came from. So death, it is one of the most fundamental parts of existance. Non existance even being the most natural state of all. So we shouldn´t overly focus on the most mundane and unavoidable part of existance. But concentrate on the exceptional fact that we actually do exist, and enjoy it while it lasts.
The one common thing I noticed that a lot of these different depictions of the afterlife seem to share is the fact that they’re not all that different from a normal life spent as a mortal. The dead and other spirits live regular lives, having jobs, eating out, watching entertainment, maybe even getting it on with others… they just don’t have to fret about all the obstacles that life used to throw their way to avoid death. It’s an interesting idea since, in actuality, we have no real idea of what exactly the afterlife is like (if we believe it exists). For all we know, it could be completely foreign to our current understanding - an alien environment that we’re not on any way prepared to deal with. But if there are other souls occupying that plane of existence, it makes sense that they would try shaping their communities to recreate some semblance of a normal society they were used to. Another series that runs with this direction would be “Hazbin Hotel” and it’s spinoff series “Helluva Boss”, which both delve into the mechanics and societies that makeup the afterlife of Hell. One interesting twist that the series offers is that not everyone there is a bad person; some of the Sinners and native demons residing there are good/descent (if flawed) individuals that just happen to live in an environment that’s easy for those of power to exploit. In fact, the suffering Hell is known for isn’t some cruel divine law decreed by the higher powers, but rather an infliction stemming from humanity’s own inability to let go of their own past and improve from their shortcomings. It’s basically a prison that Lucifer and the rest of Hell are forced to warden.
Finishing that last sentence with “ Unless” I was sure you were gonna end with an fitting grim but so Beautiful dark conclusion. Love this video to death Keep up the work
My favorite take on what happens after life has definitely got to be "elsewhere" by Gabrielle Zevin. After you die, you age backwards until you are reborn. You can have a job, fall in love, all sorts of things. It's very good
You guys are so inspiring! After watching your videos I always have so many ideas for writing or drawing! It’s a wonderful feeling and thank you for contributing to it!
An interesting Death World that I think about a lot, and one that I really love, is Adventure Time. The concept of 50 different Dead Worlds that people can go to depending on how they acted in life is really cool, and the concept of getting to choose if you want to be reborn as someone new or stay in the Dead World, or becoming an enlightened soul if you're brought to the 50th Dead World is really awesome! I see it as kind of a combination of both they portray it as a nice place to be, but also as an awful place as well with it's different Worlds within the afterlife, and I think they did a great job at showing what kind of place it's like to live in! It's a really cool interpretation of death within Adventure Time, and one that I personally think is very nicely fleshed out!
there's a graphic novel we read when we were younger about a guy accidentally getting teleported to the afterlife by a ghost hunter that has a pretty interesting take on this, but we can't recall the title...
Another interesting take on the concept is The Waiting Room in Cheesy hfj’s ONE. I would recommend trying to watch it, it’s on youtube and only 18 episodes. Probably one of the best animated miniseries let alone object shows on the site. The main character, Liam, dies quite a few times, and the way he sees The Waiting Room is as a featureless plane. Along a wall that stretches forever sit two chairs with a table between them. On the table is a radio. When Liam first arrives in The Waiting Room, he sees a person sitting at the table, fiddling with the knob on the radio. He doesn’t get a chance to investigate further before he’s brought back to life. We later find out that the radio can teleport people to other worlds, but to get to a specific world, it requires setting the dial to a complicated string of digits. The Waiting Room is also implied to not look the same to everyone, but always includes the table, radio, and chairs. Bryce, another character, sees the suburban street he grew up on. He sees his sister, trying to lead him away from the radio. It’s implied that this is some sort of final temptation that leads you to a final death, or at least to somewhere we don’t see. Liam and Bryce are only able to escape the death world because Liam had been given sticky notes with particular “stations” or worlds that they could go to, including San Francisco and a forested world where the main antagonist lives. It’s a really interesting take on some sort of impermanence of the afterlife that can be taken advantage of, but the cards are so stacked against you, if you do end up in a new world, you’ll probably be back in The Waiting Room before long.
My favorite "Death World" concept is from a book called "Elsewhere". It's pretty much just like our regular waking lives for the most part, but you age backwards from how old you were when you died. When you reach newborn age, you're sent floating in this ocean back to the land of the living to be reincarnated as someone else. While you wait, you can pretty much do whatever you want, go on dates, have a job, travel, etc. The most fascinating thing though is that there's this tourist-like observatory where you can look down to earth. The main character is warned to ration her time there because its common for people to get addicted, consumed with longing for the people they left behind. The book is really about moving on and being able to embrace transition. It defines death as it's own kind of life, one we should appreciate and not take for granite. In the end, when the characters become too young to read and speak, it's treated with the same complicated feelings as confronting your death at old age. Cause really what is death but leaving the life you know and moving on to something else unknown?
If you want a beyond-quotidian, complicated and compelling set of stories about the afterlife and beyond, look no further than the late '90s World of Darkness RPG, Wraith: the Oblivion. Without question my favourite of any of the WoD lines, including the one I wrote for! A complicated ecology of hierarchies of the dead and worse. Exquisite.
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Have you heard of wraith the oblivion it's a tabletop rpg that's is about death and being a ghost and living in a death world and with legions of ghost for example (legion of iron if you die of old age,emerald legion if you died in a accident and legion of fate if you are chosen by fate to die yes she is a person) and oh i forgot tell you about guilds teach ghost power like the artificer that turn ghost into coins and bricks for the necropolis because that is only thing you can work with there
What about Coco it's or soul
The ever after sounds like out of Casper or ghost busters
No mention of Danny phantom
Hercules &Brother Bear has the same after life yet one is positive the other is negative
The way I prefer to use that phrase is: "Mememto Mori, Memento Vivi." "Remember that you will die, don't forget to live."
The point of the phrase 'memento mori' is actually a humbling reminder against hubris. 'Remember that you will die.'
That is, no matter how rich, how famous, how accomplished you are... you are still a mortal, and no different from any other ultimately. Your life WILL end. Your money WILL pass into other hands. Your fame WILL fade. Your accomplishments WILL be forgotten one day.
You are ultimately no different, no greater, no better, than anyone else. Because you, too, will die. And you should remember that and not get wrapped up in all that, not let that all go to your head... because in the face of the ultimate truth of your mortality that is really all as substantial and important as dust blowing in the wind.
'Memento Mori' on a tombstone is, in short, saying 'I was as you are, I am as you will be, nothing you do, gain, or accomplish in life will ever change that, so never think yourself better than everyone because you are really no different at all.'
Do cool shit!
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The grammatically correct phrase is "Memento Mori, Memento Vivere".
@@GuukanKitsune Yes, but you shouldn't be so humble or fearful as to abandon all joy.
@OtakuUnitedStudio grammatically correct, but it loses that song-song rhyme.
"Well, I'd rather be happy than right, any day."
"And are you?"
"Am I what?"
"Are you happy?"
"No, not really."
-Arthur Dent and Slartibartfast, The Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy
“You’re not meant to think about it, it’s entertaining :D” when I was 14 I saw Corpse Bride and I was so terrified that life after death was just that small place, and you just live forever if you can’t move on. I had a major depressive episode after that lol.
the afterlife is inevitable, and every creature, no matter how big or small, will be there
@@tomkatt8274 ok Tom how does this help 14 year old me
@@tomkatt8274big assumption there, that an afterlife exists at all
Really? I always liked that movie's message about how "at the end of the day we all end up in the grave." I mean life is short, why waste it hating yourself or hating other people?
@@Kazooples I'm in my mid-20s. There's a quote from Exurb1a that applies here, I think:
"Some of us, even your pompous narrator here, never really recovered from that phase."
Ah yes, my favourite genre of fiction. Tiny girl, unimaginable terrors.
you should play little nightmares
Little guy and the horrors that surround them 🥰
There's so many examples and they're all great. Return to Oz, Coraline, Spirited Away, Ib, Yume Nikki... does Silent Hill 3 count?
Fran bow and little Misfortune
@@LunaRoseManori think heather's out of the age range to fit the tiny girl demographic. silent hill 1 however does fit the genre if the tiny girl is allowed to not be the protagonist
Dang, I expected the infinite black desert of Terry Pratchett's death to be here. The place where you go when you don't know where you'll go, that is.
Yeah that should have been in here
The Discworlds DEATH is such an iconic form, hopefully they do a special on the Discworld version of DEATH and the black desert.
Ah, I do like the black desert as a transitional place or the Discworld's "limbo" standin, but there isn't really much depth to it. When it comes to the realm of death in Discworld his house is much more interesting, but again that's not a place for the dead, just for Death and his chosen family.
In the end, although he toyed with the idea in a few ways in the Tiffany Aching books, I think Terry was far more concerned about what people did in life than what they found in death.
Which books does he have that in?
@@jellyfisch4238 Mostly the Tiffany Aching books, but also in Small Gods I think.
In finnish folklore, the realm of the dead was more or less literally the same as the real one, just underground so everything was bit darker. Later/in other parts it was considered as a place where you went to sleep, after the hard work of being alive, which might be the reason for the finnish saying "death pays back/fixes your sleep debts" (kuolema korjaa univelat)
...this paints Finland as a super thrilling place, I know.
As someone who has a lot if Finnish ancestry, I always joked that we aren't exactly known for anything. No tropes or anything to call our own.
Now that I've heard that phrase, well, I guess I have something now? 😅
Would that finish phrase translate better as "we sleep when we're dead"
My mother taught us that death was just sleeping, literally just a long, long sleep. I don't think her family was Finnish, but it was an interesting belief. No heaven, no hell, no reincarnation. You just sleep and aren't really conscious of anything.
"The Good Place" is another interesting take on the world of the dead, running into the abstract problems of dealing with eternity and having literal discussions about the philosophies on life and death.
Right, but the designations of Heaven and Hell are still cut and dry. They’re just called the good place and the bad place. The really interesting thing is the spin that’s put on both concepts and how people are tortured for eternity and what truly warrants being classified into both places one way or another
They focus more on morality than the afterlife itself, though, the final season focusing more on the purpose of the afterlife was interesting.
Spoilers
The Bad Place becomes a test to draw out the good in people so that they qualify for the Good Place. The Good Place becomes a place of infinite time and resources for people to live out a bucket list of things they wanted to do in life. It is an extension of life, so that one can find closure. Then comes The Door. The true death. Once you're ready, when you feel that you've experienced enough, walk through it, and you are no more. All that remains are good intentions passed on to those still living. The reasoning behind this design is that life is given the deepest of meaning when one has reasons to live, but know that there is an ending to it all. One of the best thought out afterlives I know of.
I love that show
“You cannot live in death” Godwyn the golden: “hold my beer”
Those who live in death shall be left in peace.
D disagrees.
@@greenhydra10 D is nuts
Instead of “hold my beer” it should be “forefathers one and all, bear witness”
@celestialspino D's brother Darian is definitely insane but D(Devin)isn't really.While he may be over zealous in his beliefs he is not really insane just single minded.Even though he knows Rogier has different beliefs to him on those who live in death, he does nothing to attack him or Fia who he also knows is sympathetic of them. However Darian is definitely insane though as shown when he attacks and kills Fia unprompted. While you might think it's because she killed D, Darian doesn't know this and just kills her for being in proximity to Godwin. After doing so he stands over her corpse laughing his head off with sword held aloft.Not exactly the moniker of someone who is right in the head. Sorry for the fairly incohesive paragraph , I just think they're really interesting characters overall.
I like how Death is a place in Garth Nyx's Old Kingdom series. Death as a place is a nested series of transitional realms, connected by a river, with an inexorable pull deeper that can only be overcome with necromancy or becoming a twisted, vampiric spirit. Only at its deepest is there a transition to something beyond, about which all we know is the finality of the crossing.
The river in Death is also used as a way to explain the weakness of undead to running water in the realms of the living.
Finaly someone mentioned this series
The Old Kingdom series was one my best friend got me into. I was glad she did lol
I love this series. Definitely one of my favorite depictions of Death.
Because of the river in the Old Kingdom, and the River in the Locked Tomb books, my automatic picture of Death is of some sort of river
isn't death a river that has challenges to be overcome through willforce [or bypassed with magic]
edit: forgot that mc of the first book resurrects a rabbit as the first act of charter lmao
I really do think that more authors/film writers should use a concept like this a lot more, it's just so damn interesting to explore, and the creativity that could unfold would be really interesting.
A magical fantasy world you have to die to get to?
Someone hasn't seen authors/producers make extensive use of truck-kun yet
if death is just a place, there must be a sort of even deathier death that isn't
I know someone who is writing a story like this called "The Path To Daemonhood" on Royal Road
Soul society in Bleach.
Read Hellper. Its great. Really colorful
People have told me that here in Mexico we're obsessed with death, and I gotta say yeah! I never thought about it until people told me but that's basically what Dia de los Muertos is. You shouldn't crave for death, don't get me wrong, you should live as long as possible, but don't be afraid when the time comes. It's part of life after all
understanding dia de los muertos as someone far far away from any influences of mexican culture brought me a new perspective of life-death relationship, and yes it does help me value and respect life more than i used to. although my people too have traditions regarding death, but not as vivid as dia de los muertos:
mostly we have events to commemorate someone’s death either a hundred days or a thousand days after, in which we gather families and folks to a feast where everybody gets to talk and connect with each other, as well as other religious ceremonies to pray to the dead. it’s called _tahlilan,_ and tho it’s not as vivid, the aspect of valuing life is still there. i have times doing this for some of my late families or friends
"Death isn't scary at all, it's perfectly natural" - Bill Nye the uh Science Guy
EVEN THE BIRDS
EVEN THE BEES
*(the air balloon pops and he FUCKING DIES)-*
It’s still scary
*realistically dies from high voltage*
@@thestrangah9690that was so sad to watch in science class
1:16 I see what you did there. "What is a skeleton's favorite snack?"
RIBS! SPARE RIIIIIBS!!!
WHY MUST YOU FAIL ME SO OFTEN!?
Maybe Joe is actually where the ribs come from
MAY BIRD???? I USED TO LOVE THAT SERIES!!! whenever I bring it up to ppl they've never heard of it-- I cannot believe one of my favorite channels knows about it!!
Right?!? It’s been on my bookshelf for years, I gotta read it again 🎉
On tim burton esque worlds of death I'd like to add del toro's more recent pinocchio.
Pinocchio dies many times, the world of the dead is eerie with skeletal mice carrying coffins. Sometimes the mice play cards. Pinocchio doesn't realise he's dead though, and is sent to the death sphinx
This is where death is trivialised for pinocchio. Since the source of his life is unnatural, he doesn't have the concept of death, the sphinx will just keep him around longer each time he dies
There's likely a lot more to look into with worlds of death or worlds we're meant to move onto, maybe there are worlds of death that don't immediately present themselves that way
1:48 talebot making the "is for me? 🥺" Pose. You're adorable talebot, never change.
This video jogged a long-buried memory of a book I read in middle school, called Elsewhere. It's about a fifteen year old girl who dies and ends up in Elsewhere, a limbo realm between death and rebirth. It hit so hard as a deeply depressed kid, reading about a girl grieving and fixating on her own life. It's cathartic. Highly recommend if you want a book that will make you cry.
I feel like death as a place would more be like an adventure if that makes sense? Like there is your core hidden somewhere completely random in this huge world, and the adventures you come across while searching for the core may differ from person to person. And after finding your core you finally reach the great beyond, where your soul finds itself in eternal peace.
but then death isn't death, and you're seeking some sort of even deathier death
You're thinking about purgatory or Hades
My brother lion heart by Astrid Lindgren sure does that.
There's a book called Moonflower that actually talks about this exact topic. It depics death as a place that is timeless and on a kind of different plane of existence. It's an amazing book, especially for a middle school level book (at least I think so, I did read this in 8th grade). It also talks about themes of depression and suicide
Hm interesting
I think one of my favorite depictions of death as a place has to be in Pixar's Coco.
It feels like a habitable world where the dead either live their day to day (un)lives or they relish in doing what they want, the most prevalent is making art and music.
And as silly as the skeleton antics can be, they do take death seriously. Every Day of the Dead, skeletons that are remembered by their families and friends and have their pictures put up are able to cross over into the living world and see them again. However, if their pictures aren't put up or are left forgottenby the living, they simply fade away into what they call "the final death."
As said by American novelist Ernest Hemingway: "Every man has two deaths, when he is buried in the ground, and the last time someone says his name."
That's what I don't like about it. It is a nightmare of class warfare and depriving people (undead?) of basic amenities even though there are obviously plenty of people who are given more than enough to share.
It’s a good harmony of life and death
Coco is another great example of an 'upbeat' take on death and the afterlife.
It's not "upbeat" at all. It's shockingly callous towards poor people.
Cocos afterlife has unbelievably horrifying implications and circumstances 😬
@@WobblesandBeanMirroring the real world.
Coco afterlife is just a season 2 of life. You still die there.
@@ivanlol7153Especially if you're forgotten...
If death has jobs and rent, I think I'll pass, thanks.
Basically, you don't want to die 😂
The game Grim Fandango had the best depiction of the death dimension. An art deco styled jazz back drop, sign me up.
you know its a good day when Tale Foundry posted
every thursday is a good day
Facts. I didn't second think to click this video!!!
I love the Discworld series for many reasons, but one is that there is only one time the world of the dead is shown to us. And the fact that it is nothing but an endless desert is horrifying
Well, if there are at least rocks in the desert, you can pull off an xkcd 505.
That's only from Vorbis' POV.
One of my favourite interpretations of death is the one the game Spiritfarer offers, you play as as substitute of the boatman Charon with your job being gathering dying souls, accompanying them in their last moments to the everdoor, a portal that connects to the great beyond, the kicker is that you never get to know what's behind the everdoor, you take care of these dying souls, fulfilling their lasts earthly desires, and once they're ready you take them to the everdoor, they say their goobyes and poof, they're gone, their destiny unknown to you.
I heavily recommend playing this game if you want to explore the concept of death further in media, the game is aesthetically beautiful and covers death in a pretty realistic and respectful manner despite its whimsical art style.
The best “hashed out” death-as-a-place I’ve come across is “What Dreams May Come” a movie with Robin Williams. HIGHLY recommend.
The book is by Richard Matheson. I have avoided the movie because other adaptations of his stories have been . . . awful.
Andy Weir's The Egg presents death as both an experience and a place, but a temporary one.
@brikilian7834 I know you commented a while back but I only saw it now and I had to respond. Idk how I've gone through life without hearing this story. I just watched Kurzgesagt telling and I genuinely started to tear up. I have the orphic or "cosmic" egg tattooed on my left arm. My main hobby is philosophy especially ontology. This was such a simple and beautiful telling of my personal beliefs. I'm really glad you commented. Thank you.
Talebot, if you haven't done so already, you should absolutely watch The Good Place. It is the single most thoughtful (and hilarious) depictions of a death dimension I have ever seen. If this topic is of interest to you, I highly highly recommend it to you.
Thanks
2 of my favorite death worlds are in a book series called ghost girl, and a movie called wristcutters. ghost girl is about a girl who dies in school choking on a gummy bear and ends up in this class for dead kids in an unknown part of the school, learning to live in such a way(theres also a goth girl who can see ghosts, of course). wristcitters is one of my favorite movies, and takes place after the main characters s*icide in whats essentially a downtrodden, abandoned version of the real world only being populated by those who took their own lives. its an amazing movie and i highly reccomend it!:)
"That' enought for today. Our next video is coming out in a week... unless..." I totally expected "unless you won't be here anymore" 😆
As Blue Oyster Cult once sang: “don’t fear the reaper…”
Hmmm needs something
I have a fever
🐮🔔
We understand We understand We understand
The... The song wasn't about NOT fearing the reaper. But ok.
I don't want to stay alive.
I want to live.
I suffer from intense seizures. Since they started ive always imagined death to be like that time period before i regain consciousness. Its just a lack of anything forever, to the point you're not even aware there is nothing.
Ursula le Guin explores a very interesting representation of death as a place in the Earthsea books, one that's both painfully draining and starkly unnatural; somewhere that slowly takes away everything a person is and leaves them as a dry, empty husk.
Minor spoilers, but by the time you get to the last Earthsea book you learn a lot more about why the Dry Place is this way, what's happening to the people who die and go there, and why it feels so wrong. It begins in the first book as a seemingly true afterlife, but by the end it has become a hubristic grab for immortality that goes against the cycles of nature.
Death isn't the worst thing to happen to someone, it's the worst thing to happen to someone else. We can worry about our own, but it will never hit as hard as losing the people we care for most.
I don't think I have to worry about the afterlife. Whether it's even real or not. I just wish I wouldn't inflict the pain of my loss upon my friends and family.
Death is harmless to those that are dead; death harms only the living.
17:20
"Unless, of course... you die?"
That's where I thought that was going.
In most of my stories, death as a place I imagine to be a wasteland, no good place, no bad place, just a place where you stay while barely conscious, a wasteland that ever so slightly resembles the world we live in now. Usually the spirits there only barely resemble their former selves.
Weirdly, I find comfort in thinking that the afterlife will be nothing, that once I die, I won't really care, because I will hardly have a mind to remember or process it beyond life.
The most thought provoking film version in my view comes from the Albert Brooks movie Defending Your Life. The most beautiful from Pixar’s Coco.
I don't know but whenever I'm tired I return to this channel as it is calm and a break from the usual over the top videos you find.
Great channel and I hope it is recognised by other people worldwide👍
I've come to see death as part of life. There's the whole "two sides of the same coin" thing. For me it is still the same "coin".
I'm reminded of a quote from the TV show 'Once Upon A Time' which said, "Life is made up of moments, good ones, bad ones, but they're all worth living."
To me, death is part of life. A moment that everyone will experience one day. Yes, it is a serious moment, but there's still some comfort (for me at least) knowing we will *all* go through it.
I think sometimes there's the overstressed on when a moment such as death will happen. I think this is a bit of a balancing act. Accepting death as a moment that I will go through, but reminding myself that there are plenty of moments before it, good and bad, that deserve time and attention too. All these moments are important because they are part of life. Death is part of life.
Having death be like just moving somewhere else is a nice feeling at first. But then you think of what could happen between two peoples death. Maybe it was your first partner who died young and now you’re a grandparent with your third partner. If death is also just so close to being alive, then they could also find someone else. It must also be total chaos, because there’s literally the greatest minds of every field there. Depending on if you act as before you died, or in your prime, or just how you felt most comfortable, then the afterlife could be the most advanced and most suppressive place. Who wouldn’t want an immortal worker who hasn’t heard about a pyramid scheme. It could be cool to see some version of that. Where someone takes over the afterlife so they can keep on learning forever
I actually am writing a world of the dead as a base for a story, thank you so much for doing this video !!
On this topic, I'd highly recommend the novel Dead Boys by Gabriel Squailia. It does a good job of fleshing out an afterlife by giving it its own cultures and mythologies and even religions, in a sense.
Also, if you can track down the original script for Beetlejuice, the view of the afterlife is a bit different. There is no bureaucracy, no waiting in lines, it's an endless grey desert full of giant gears, grinding anything that happens into that realm into dust.
As a suicide survivor I have a strange relationship with death. I quite literally came to its door... And if I learned anything from it is that...
Death is scary, but that's what makes life worth living. I don't seek death anymore... I just accepted it. I'll die? Yes, but... Until then... I'll live as best as I can... After all...
Not everyone gets a second chance, might as well not miss mine, right?
Fellow survivor here. Whenever I have ideation, I remember to have patience. It'll happen eventually, regardless of what I do.
Fellow survivor. I now just wait for it, going about my life and surviving for others. I know one day it'll come for me, too. I'm just trying to hold out til I'm the last one alive so I leave no one without me lol
I never felt more alive than those months following that dark springtime-having realized I had the power to kick it whenever I chose, it meant that I might as well try living all the ways I'd been too afraid to, ways I'd considered too risky or unrealistic. After all, if didn't work out, I'd just be back where I started, right, having given life an honest-to-goodness go, right?
It's a powerful paradox. You look Death in the eyes, on your *own* terms, and you gain power over life. I stopped working my crappy job. Stopped paying my crappy rent. Was forced to live "nomad," but that's when my life became an adventure-I dedicated myself to art, damn the consequences, with naught but my sketchbook and... two duffel bags of clothes (hey, even homeless, I was still a diva ;p ). I met SCA folks, pirate renn fair types.
And, thusly forced out of hidey-hole home, I was made to see how the world treated me, a young trans woman at the time, one year on HRT-I was accepted, embraced, loved. 🏳️⚧️💖💜💙 This was 2011, and I didn't even come to meet other trans girls until months later-back then, I never dreamed I could be anything other than a freak. Girl, was I *wrong*.
Fear and shame brought me to Death's Door. *Compromising* with Her-not embracing or even running from Her-showed me how sublime Life can truly be.
The power of Living is knowing you have a Choice. When life is meaningless suffering, Strength is NOT the path! MEANING is! We who Die before we Die access a *deep* wisdom. Live like you can CHOOSE to die tomorrow, flip LIFE the bird, and LIVE on YOUR terms!!!
These days, when I'm in the dumps, I watch that dearest film, Wristcutters: A Love Story, and listen to Gogol Bordello. Listen to the words. Undestructable, and others from that album. The album has beautiful themes of survivong and THRIVING with neurodivergence. Of making your own way through poverty, as an outcast, as a stranger in a strange land, there power of community! And _damn_, the music is FUN and LIVELY!
Blow Death a kiss for me, you brave travellers. And never cow to Fear. Be afraid, sure, but LIVE knowing YOU have the Power.
Much love, and I encourage you to spread the message to other lost souls who need to hear this ✊✨🖤🤍💀🌼
Don't try suicide again brother enjoy life! My Allah guide you
16:01 “songs that warn you not to laugh as the hearse goes by…”
Nice. Scary Stories was my favorite as a kid, and at one point I had memorized that entire song. Lol
The Land of the Death is a concept that fascinates me because humanity is defined by its fear of death, because we have no reliable means to confirm what happens when the body ceases to function, so it remains an unfounded frontier of discovery. I would love to write the Land of the Death as one of those Frontiers humanity seeks to conquer, akin to Outer Space and the Abyssal Depths. The Unknown is unbearable, and if we ever confirm if there is a place or oblivion, we will never be satisfied with the Absence of Life. We need to defile it, strip it of mysticism and expose it for what it is: Another Place. If we cannot do it, humanity is cursed to write the same stories of coping with death, because we don't know It.
what happens to a painting after it's burned? where does it go?
the idea is simple enough, trivial even, merely terrifying.
I’m now thinking of the movies “What Dreams May Come” and “Jacob’s Ladder”.
The thought of going nowhere at all after I die doesn't scare me. After all, I was nowhere at all before I was born, and I don't remember it being all that bad.
You have been doing a lot of videos on Death and similar subjects. It has honestly been helping me with the death of the love of my life. It is certainly a hard thing to process when someone you love dies so young. You don’t really know what comes next and you really start asking when you are face to face with your own mortality. So watching them is helping a lot
If you are planning to do another death related video. May i suggest death as a business. There are mutiple peices of fiction that treats death as a job, including my favorite game, Have a nice death. I thought it would be a cool thing to cover.
10:50. Could Burton do these books justice since he's usually so flippant? The polar opposite?
The most scary place that meant to be death was in Torchwood which is a Welsh spinoff of doctor who. Where when you die it's nothing but you know that there is something somewhere that you can sense it.
Then there was one character who died and came back but was still dead, he couldn't eat fell ect.
I've been woring on a concept for a story that takes place almost entirely in the afterlife. This is the video I needed. Thank you so much!
I find it weird when people message 8 minutes after the video came out no way to have watched it fully. Id never do that
Sometimes I like to engage with the premise before watching, other times with specific points in the video while watching.
I don't see any good reason to limit myself to only commenting after finishing a video, but to each their own!
@@SuLokify it was just a joke because I message 8 minutes after the video released
FYI some people watch videos at 1.5x or 2x speed and have gotten use to that. Not that it applies for this time frame...
@@coryhudson4581 ah no worries, missed the joke on my first read of your comment.
In all seriousness tho I think it's valid, some people only like to come read or write comments when they're finished with the video.
Others like to engage early, to discuss it as if we're watching it together.
Sometimes these two groups clash - wonder if it's a worthwhile idea to tag or separate them somehow. Like, filter comments to only show from users who have watched 95% of the video, or something
the screech i released when you said maybird. genuinely one of my favorite series growing up, the characters and worldbuilding are *chefs kiss*
It certainly is interesting to contemplate the way we perceive death in media, and the reasoning behind it. How it can be perceived in different ways: from a terrifying, inescapable common destination, to a fun idea to be played with (and speaking of jokes, I must apologize but by 17:03 I almost heard _"Omae wa mo shindeiru!"_ ).
As a Mexican, our relationship with Death is... interesting: we revere it and show it respect in a fun and colorful way in paper, yet we're constantly reminded of its impending presence when we watch the news or check social media.
Anyway, just wanted to say that it'd be interesting to contemplate in our day-to-day.
Seriously, NO COCO!? One of the COOLEST approaches to an afterlife I've seen in a kids film in... ever!
"It's just a moment." I think I agree with that. I think what the issue is with it is that it's, as you touched on, THE FINAL moment. Our whole lives lead up to it, whether we want it to or not, and some of us spend a huge amount of time thinking about it, worrying about it, hoping against hope it's not as bad as we think, wherever it ends up. I think it just ends up being a very preoccupying thing, even if it IS just the one moment.
I would have included The Good Place in this video. It explores this subject in ways I've never really seen in other stories.
0:01 aw rats 😔😔
0:00 I think I'm about to die... 😅
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Thanx for sharing this with us, Talebot. For so long, I’ve been stuck on the world-building aspect for a Halloween graphic novel I’m trying to write. Now, I basically have an image to work towards
Awesome video
Thanks Alana!
@@TheTaleFoundry you’re wry welcome
Someone put their finger on it "I actually love these takes on the idea...they're also, probably intentionally, pretty shallow... it leaves me, i dunno, hungry' The underworld in Beetlejuice is so spectacular and elaborate but they never elaborate on it. My worst complaint is that I wish there was more of it, I wanted a peak into this world but you only pass through it as an audience
Oh my god, the May Bird series was such an influential series to me growing up. I adore May Bird - it will always have an extremely special place in my heart. It's a series that deserves so much more love and recognition. Its portrayal of the after life is so memorable. Even after years and years, I can remember its rules. I remember the Black Sea, I remember the Pit of Despair.
I remember this story more than anything else I read in my childhood. This series remains a part of me long into adulthood.
A few thoughts.
First, I love the movie What Dreams May Come (It's Robin Williams. What's not to love?) where he's playing someone who died and he can't let go. His journey through the afterlife brings him to reacquaint himself with his children who died some years before and letting his wife move on who is the only surviving member of this family. It's such a deep movie. It's one of my favorites.
Second, I love the way the afterlife works in Coco. Your continued existence depends on who remembers you when you go. When the last person that remembers you dies, you fade away too. The reward in the afterlife is the impact you had on those around you during your life.
And third, I read somewhere once that when a baby is born, it's not actually a significant point in their development. It's just a really bad day that they quickly forget because object permanence isn't a thing yet for them. I wonder now if death will be the same way.
"Have you ever heard the phrase Memento Mori?"
*Flashes of 2020*
*A tear rolling down my cheek*
Yes, yes I have.
one year
pee sauna pee sauna pee sauna (memento mori)
I LOVED May Bird as a kid, as in 5 or 6 years old. I don't even remember what it was I loved about it now. I should probably read it again.
i personally hope there's nothing after death.
life is boring enough as it is, "existing" in one state of being or another for all eternity seems maddening...
Funny how life works. I literally spent a week pondering on things like this. Then I watched a Beetlejuice ad not even a minute before starting this video.
I love your channel and have a long time. Keep up the fantastic work!
I once wrote Death as a farm and the Reaper as a farmer, scythe, hat and all. Each straw of wheat was a life that he would reap, indifferent to the times they spent alive or their personality. I liked the idea, but it felt a little too cold, so it's currently in idea stasis until further notice
A dimension that connectz the heartz of every living thing to itz own hour glass, so sensitive are these hour glassez that the vibration of each heart beat causez a grain of sand to fall. When all the sand has fallen, then the heart stopz and the hour glass remainz pristene and timeless, but if the heart stopz before then, the hour glass will crack or even shatter, depending on why the heart stopped first, and all the sand inside pourz owt until itz lost forever.
The video game Destiny does this. Light and Dark are seen as 2 deities known as the Gardener and the Winnower, respectively.
The Winnower isn't evil, but it's not exactly the kindest being... or depending on your perspective of existence, it's the kindest and most merciful being.
I cannot believe you did not talk about The Good Place ! Anyway excellent video !
The intro music is so good, I enjoy listening to it in every episode. Very, very few shows appeal to me in that way, whether live action or animated.
You should have included some references to Grim Fandango. That's my favourite version of the afterlife in the world of animation. 💀
A favorite of mine is the Land of the Dead from the video game Grim Fandango, inspired by the Mexican Dia de los Meurtos. Here, you're made aware right away that this place is only meant to be temporary, and your goal is to reach the entrance to the 9th Underworld (the Land of Eternal Rest). How you get there and how long it takes depends on how much money you were buried with (yes, you can take it with you) or how you lived. If you've lived a particularly good life, you can get a ticket on the Number Nine train, which shuttles you to the 9th Underworld in 4 minutes instead of the typical 4 years.
The thing is that the road is long and difficult, filled with monsters that can kill you (again), and thus some people have settled into cities and jobs, seeing the Land of the Dead as their eternity. Some people, like protagonist Manny Calavera, owe some sort of debt they don't actually recall, so he works as a Reaper and finds a conspiracy that someone is rigging the system so that people who deserve Number Nine tickets aren't getting them.
But the biggest thing is that you do reach the entrance of the 9th Underworld. You see a character you met previously walk down the tunnel, singing as he goes, and then...silence. At the end of the game, Manny and his new love Meche get to ride the train themselves, and it just made me sit back and take it all in while the credits rolled.
Also related is the endings of episodes of The Twilight Zone and MASH, where ghosts are walking down a road to...somewhere.
One that comes to mind is the manga "Mieruko-chan". The whole story is about seeing ghosts, in our dimension, but even so, as the story progresses more and more we see there is a whole system for how the after-death works, some ghosts are shown to have good and bad intentions, some still helplessly try to complete something they couldn't finish, some still cling to the ones they lived in, both for good and bad reasons. And what I like the most about it... it never explains things, no exposition is given to it, we can only guess based on the little we see, and I love that. Please give it a chance if you can, it's a very fun and charming read
I never really enjoyed horror movies, but always liked the goofy cartoonish version of it.
This is such a treat tale foundry I really love and enjoy all the content you create for us. Bettlejuice is one of the best comedy horror films out there. Ive learned so many wonderful things from your channel. Cheers and thankyou so much
I'm so happy you mentioned Maybird! It was one of my favorite book series growing up, and this is coming from someone who would read a book a week as a kid. It's a fascinating story unlike anything else I've read, and it's really nice to someone giving it attention.
I think Death from Discworld has the right amount of gravity. He is the ending of all things even gods have been made low by him, but he shows even death itself is not an ending to all things just an individual. The metaphorical torch will be passed on possibly for the better or worse, but different none the less. Also the idea of him being death not the afterlife, so he really doesn't know what's after he's just seen the array of paths the souls have taken. It is very personal to the individual. And of course a few stories focus of what if there was no Death?
If death were a place, why would it be bad, when in my opinion death is a place of peace and release from the harshness and suffering of life.
I remember a quote from I think Yoda in Star Wars? Death should not be thought of as the enemy of life, but rather a stage in life
@@pancakes8670 I mean, we make our deaths so important, such finalising and penultimate points in ours and others life. Treating it like it is something set apart, somnething unique. But really, death is the most natural thing in existance. The simple fact of causality and time existing in an universe with a finite amount of energy potential means it not just will, butmust happen. To everyone and everything. Even the universe itself will just still and stop at a far future point. Just like a reaction ends, a star explodes or peteres out, we will also end and die. Everything will at one point return into the nothing it came from. So death, it is one of the most fundamental parts of existance. Non existance even being the most natural state of all. So we shouldn´t overly focus on the most mundane and unavoidable part of existance. But concentrate on the exceptional fact that we actually do exist, and enjoy it while it lasts.
That's the problem with unknowns it may be good it may be bad It may be nothing
It isn’t peaceful though. You can’t know peace unless you are conscious
Arrives at Death.
Death looks like Shadman, skull and all.
“The doors wide open.”
A little surprised that you didn’t mention Grim Fandango here at all.
Since you like the deep world building.
Someone's finally talking about May Bird!! AND it's Tale Foundry!
Btw, you have one of the most relaxing voices to just listen to. Keep up the great content!
The one common thing I noticed that a lot of these different depictions of the afterlife seem to share is the fact that they’re not all that different from a normal life spent as a mortal. The dead and other spirits live regular lives, having jobs, eating out, watching entertainment, maybe even getting it on with others… they just don’t have to fret about all the obstacles that life used to throw their way to avoid death.
It’s an interesting idea since, in actuality, we have no real idea of what exactly the afterlife is like (if we believe it exists). For all we know, it could be completely foreign to our current understanding - an alien environment that we’re not on any way prepared to deal with. But if there are other souls occupying that plane of existence, it makes sense that they would try shaping their communities to recreate some semblance of a normal society they were used to.
Another series that runs with this direction would be “Hazbin Hotel” and it’s spinoff series “Helluva Boss”, which both delve into the mechanics and societies that makeup the afterlife of Hell. One interesting twist that the series offers is that not everyone there is a bad person; some of the Sinners and native demons residing there are good/descent (if flawed) individuals that just happen to live in an environment that’s easy for those of power to exploit. In fact, the suffering Hell is known for isn’t some cruel divine law decreed by the higher powers, but rather an infliction stemming from humanity’s own inability to let go of their own past and improve from their shortcomings. It’s basically a prison that Lucifer and the rest of Hell are forced to warden.
The guacamelee video games have a very vivid world of the dead. I recommend them.
I HIGHLY recommend the Septimus Heap novels. The world that has been built, both the afterlife and the real world, is amazing
Finishing that last sentence with “ Unless”
I was sure you were gonna end with an fitting grim but so Beautiful dark conclusion. Love this video to death
Keep up the work
My favorite take on what happens after life has definitely got to be "elsewhere" by Gabrielle Zevin. After you die, you age backwards until you are reborn. You can have a job, fall in love, all sorts of things. It's very good
You guys are so inspiring! After watching your videos I always have so many ideas for writing or drawing! It’s a wonderful feeling and thank you for contributing to it!
An interesting Death World that I think about a lot, and one that I really love, is Adventure Time. The concept of 50 different Dead Worlds that people can go to depending on how they acted in life is really cool, and the concept of getting to choose if you want to be reborn as someone new or stay in the Dead World, or becoming an enlightened soul if you're brought to the 50th Dead World is really awesome! I see it as kind of a combination of both they portray it as a nice place to be, but also as an awful place as well with it's different Worlds within the afterlife, and I think they did a great job at showing what kind of place it's like to live in! It's a really cool interpretation of death within Adventure Time, and one that I personally think is very nicely fleshed out!
If it is a place, it can't be that bad, considering how tough it is to get folks to come back.
The world of death is only as big as a bus. The bus of the tired old rambling driver grimm, where we all get on and then are eventually forgotten.
there's a graphic novel we read when we were younger about a guy accidentally getting teleported to the afterlife by a ghost hunter that has a pretty interesting take on this, but we can't recall the title...
Another interesting take on the concept is The Waiting Room in Cheesy hfj’s ONE.
I would recommend trying to watch it, it’s on youtube and only 18 episodes. Probably one of the best animated miniseries let alone object shows on the site.
The main character, Liam, dies quite a few times, and the way he sees The Waiting Room is as a featureless plane. Along a wall that stretches forever sit two chairs with a table between them. On the table is a radio.
When Liam first arrives in The Waiting Room, he sees a person sitting at the table, fiddling with the knob on the radio. He doesn’t get a chance to investigate further before he’s brought back to life.
We later find out that the radio can teleport people to other worlds, but to get to a specific world, it requires setting the dial to a complicated string of digits.
The Waiting Room is also implied to not look the same to everyone, but always includes the table, radio, and chairs.
Bryce, another character, sees the suburban street he grew up on. He sees his sister, trying to lead him away from the radio. It’s implied that this is some sort of final temptation that leads you to a final death, or at least to somewhere we don’t see.
Liam and Bryce are only able to escape the death world because Liam had been given sticky notes with particular “stations” or worlds that they could go to, including San Francisco and a forested world where the main antagonist lives.
It’s a really interesting take on some sort of impermanence of the afterlife that can be taken advantage of, but the cards are so stacked against you, if you do end up in a new world, you’ll probably be back in The Waiting Room before long.
My favorite "Death World" concept is from a book called "Elsewhere". It's pretty much just like our regular waking lives for the most part, but you age backwards from how old you were when you died. When you reach newborn age, you're sent floating in this ocean back to the land of the living to be reincarnated as someone else. While you wait, you can pretty much do whatever you want, go on dates, have a job, travel, etc. The most fascinating thing though is that there's this tourist-like observatory where you can look down to earth. The main character is warned to ration her time there because its common for people to get addicted, consumed with longing for the people they left behind. The book is really about moving on and being able to embrace transition. It defines death as it's own kind of life, one we should appreciate and not take for granite. In the end, when the characters become too young to read and speak, it's treated with the same complicated feelings as confronting your death at old age. Cause really what is death but leaving the life you know and moving on to something else unknown?
If you want a beyond-quotidian, complicated and compelling set of stories about the afterlife and beyond, look no further than the late '90s World of Darkness RPG, Wraith: the Oblivion. Without question my favourite of any of the WoD lines, including the one I wrote for! A complicated ecology of hierarchies of the dead and worse. Exquisite.
The Afterlife in "What Dreams May Come" is absolutely beautiful.
"the real world but everyone's friendly and jazz exists" my man spits straight plasma