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Hi friend, your comparison has really generated a lot of comments. I guess it’s something that interests many of us. Personally, I know it might be a bit tedious, but I’d love to see a comparison with the internal codecs, like the internal open gate vs BM’s, as well as ProRes. I feel like the Lumix has its tricks. But if not, either way, thank you very much for your video.
Nice vid man ! Both great cams.. At this stage, I'd probably go S5IIX...and cop a set of anamorphics. Cant be mad at the price of the Pyxis tho, its spot on !
The s5ii has less noise than the PYXIS because it has a better signal to noise ratio at both ISO’s, not because it has internal NR. it doesn’t apply the NR to BRAW images externally. Only downside is the 16:9 limit for the s5ii, no open gate in BRAW :/. Great test! I think I see a pixie in my future to compliment my fleet of S5ii’s as the A-Cam when my budget allows. All my lenses being compatible with each camera is becoming a serious consideration now that I’m running multi-cam for clients.
S5ii has noise reduction, that how you’re getting that ISO 4000 so clean. It’s not a lot but it’s definitely some applied. The log curves are different and that’s another reason it seems cleaner. Just use BRAW in resolve with both cameras then set them both to vlog, they will then have the same log curves, then set them both to BRAW and both images will get darker. Setting the Black Magic to vlog is a low light cheat code 🤫 don’t tell anyone but you gain a stop in a half of light just by switching BRAW to vlog in Resolve.
@@MrJayclas not in RAW. it bypasses the normal camera processing. ISO 4000 is clean because it’s the second base ISO of the camera. The SNR of the s5ii is closer to the fx3 than the Pyxis, meaning the shadows and lowlight will be cleaner without processing.
@@CartyCantDance ahhh ok thanks for the knowledge! Yea I’ve been debating for a long time what lens mount to invest in and L mount is the way for me. I have some upcoming shoots here soon that ima be sharing in the channel.
@@MrJayclas that’s not how any of this works. A different log curve can’t make your sensor perform with a better signal to noise ratio. Do you think all cameras that have slog3 perform the same as each other at the same ISO’s? What are you talking about??? The s5ii is shooting in BRAW, not VLOG.
@@CartyCantDancethey use the same sensor buddy. I think you’re missing that. You have to change the log curves before you say it doesn’t change anything. You can even use nlog and watch all of your dynamic range disappear. It definitely affects the image and how highlight and shadows work. You have to experience it for yourself before you give others information.
Wow, the magenta colour tint on the S5ii is so pronounced with the Pyxis side by side. Pyxis has a way better image imo. Thank you for the video, I have an S5ii and was thinking about getting a Pyxis. This video has me wondering how colour matching in post will fare
@@relationflixsteve yea I noticed that as well and Intentionally left it as is to show that. mainly just did contrast adjustments. It’s a simple fix but time consuming if you shot a lot with both cameras.
This is a pretty easy fix, people should be spending time fine tuning their cameras, cameras can differ even using the same sensors. Use the cameras colour matrix to correct for colour tint.
@@timekeepermedia5142Obviously it’s an easy thing to correct, but when you need to turnaround video fast, removing extra steps saves time, which is valuable.
black Magic has the red, blue and green lights for exposure. You have to turn them on in the menu. I use the S1 with BMVA and Cinema 6k. I found if I add plus 400 to temperature to the S1 they match almost perfect just doing that. They look similar with the BM having more detail because I do believe there’s some noise reduction from vlog.
@@eddie_gyes its the same as the stop lights on red.you can increase exposure just before to clip any channel. False color is totally different. It has both.
On the Pyxis, Shooting anything below 1250 ISO will only shift the middle grey, so it doesn't actually make for less noise. This is why most people would only use it at 400ISO and 1250ISO. (1250 and not 3200 because on 1250 you tend to expose more to the right, netting you less noise) shooting up to 1000 ISO would do the opposite, and may result in more noise instead!
@@stjiro thanks for watching! Yea I really like it! Hopefully I have an actual shoot this weekend I can really put this thing through and share with you all!
Thank you for this video. I'm having a bit of a dilemma. I would like to record BRAW on my s5ii as i work with Davinci Resolve. I would have to buy the BRAW unlock firmware and Video Assist 12g. The HDMI delay might be a dealbreaker. How much delay is there after turning off audio output via HDMI? The Video Assist doesn't allow touch focus control right? I hope Blackmagic will come with an updated version of the Video Assist.
Personally bro I don’t get why people care about HDMI delays unless you use a 1st AC. Even shooting MF and pulling by hand isn’t that bad. On a cam with great Autofocus it’s not a problem. And if you have any issues you can always rent a teradek or something for jobs that require a shorter lag time.
@@MrJayclas can’t say I’m perfect but I don’t mind at all. But also make sure me, the AC, and the director are locked in to make the project successful. So if that means shooting at f4 to have a higher hit rate of keeping things in focus so we don’t lose time that’s what works for us. Point taken though!
Guy, i haven't test it myself, but, i think maybe pyxis lack of sharpen vs the lumix, would be from it's olpf "heavy" filter. you thinks there is a sharpening "embed" with raw signal to the blackmagic video assist 12g ?
Just wanted to say thanks for the video... and to shake my fist at the sky and curse the video production gods!!! Why do all the agencies want videographers to shoot on an FX6??? What's really crazy are people using manual focus lenses and shooting at 24 or 30fps, so they aren't even using the two biggest benefits of the FX6 (i.e. Great autofocus and crop-less slow motion). It's a crazy world out there.
I’m so confused by the first statement in this video…. “I did my best with the circumstances to shoot everything as similar as possible” Then shows open gate 6k on the Pyxis while NOT shooting open gate on the S5IIX which is basically THE feature of the camera besides the new AF system lol
@@BassDad-TV no worries. It’s bad though haha. Especially if you’re transmitting for broadcast it’s unusable. But if your turn the audio output off it gets better
@@eddie_g yeah mine for just my monitor is pretty laggy. I’m trying to decide between the black magic video assist and the Atamos. The b-raw would really be nice but I know I won’t wanna use it if it’s laggy lol. My b-roll cam is a gh5 right now but see I could sell it and get a Pyxis lol man the decisions
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Hi friend, your comparison has really generated a lot of comments. I guess it’s something that interests many of us. Personally, I know it might be a bit tedious, but I’d love to see a comparison with the internal codecs, like the internal open gate vs BM’s, as well as ProRes. I feel like the Lumix has its tricks. But if not, either way, thank you very much for your video.
There is no noise reduction or sharpening on the S5IIX when sending a RAW signal over HDMI
@@Wildridefilms yea that’s what I thought I said in the video. Must’ve fumbled my words
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Nice vid man ! Both great cams.. At this stage, I'd probably go S5IIX...and cop a set of anamorphics. Cant be mad at the price of the Pyxis tho, its spot on !
@@TopshelfJunior yea the s5iix is nuts and I can only imagine how great the next one is gonna be. Been using mine for about a year now and love it.
Bro I threw this on in the background while cooking dinner and loved the footage, music, and your voice haha
@@itsalexoh haha thanks, Glad I could smooth your cooking session.
The s5ii has less noise than the PYXIS because it has a better signal to noise ratio at both ISO’s, not because it has internal NR. it doesn’t apply the NR to BRAW images externally. Only downside is the 16:9 limit for the s5ii, no open gate in BRAW :/.
Great test! I think I see a pixie in my future to compliment my fleet of S5ii’s as the A-Cam when my budget allows. All my lenses being compatible with each camera is becoming a serious consideration now that I’m running multi-cam for clients.
S5ii has noise reduction, that how you’re getting that ISO 4000 so clean. It’s not a lot but it’s definitely some applied.
The log curves are different and that’s another reason it seems cleaner.
Just use BRAW in resolve with both cameras then set them both to vlog, they will then have the same log curves, then set them both to BRAW and both images will get darker.
Setting the Black Magic to vlog is a low light cheat code 🤫 don’t tell anyone but you gain a stop in a half of light just by switching BRAW to vlog in Resolve.
@@MrJayclas not in RAW. it bypasses the normal camera processing. ISO 4000 is clean because it’s the second base ISO of the camera. The SNR of the s5ii is closer to the fx3 than the Pyxis, meaning the shadows and lowlight will be cleaner without processing.
@@CartyCantDance ahhh ok thanks for the knowledge! Yea I’ve been debating for a long time what lens mount to invest in and L mount is the way for me. I have some upcoming shoots here soon that ima be sharing in the channel.
@@MrJayclas that’s not how any of this works. A different log curve can’t make your sensor perform with a better signal to noise ratio. Do you think all cameras that have slog3 perform the same as each other at the same ISO’s? What are you talking about???
The s5ii is shooting in BRAW, not VLOG.
@@CartyCantDancethey use the same sensor buddy. I think you’re missing that.
You have to change the log curves before you say it doesn’t change anything. You can even use nlog and watch all of your dynamic range disappear.
It definitely affects the image and how highlight and shadows work. You have to experience it for yourself before you give others information.
Great series of videos on the Pyxis, thanks for sharing!
@@georgedoyle8795 thanks for tapping in George!
Wow, the magenta colour tint on the S5ii is so pronounced with the Pyxis side by side. Pyxis has a way better image imo.
Thank you for the video, I have an S5ii and was thinking about getting a Pyxis.
This video has me wondering how colour matching in post will fare
@@relationflixsteve yea I noticed that as well and Intentionally left it as is to show that. mainly just did contrast adjustments. It’s a simple fix but time consuming if you shot a lot with both cameras.
This is a pretty easy fix, people should be spending time fine tuning their cameras, cameras can differ even using the same sensors. Use the cameras colour matrix to correct for colour tint.
such an easy thing to correct lol..
@@timekeepermedia5142Obviously it’s an easy thing to correct, but when you need to turnaround video fast, removing extra steps saves time, which is valuable.
04:37 hello, i a m quite suprised. No noise-reduction on theses shots? tanks !
Luckily BM ditched internal noise reduction. Now it's perfect. 😁
black Magic has the red, blue and green lights for exposure. You have to turn them on in the menu.
I use the S1 with BMVA and Cinema 6k. I found if I add plus 400 to temperature to the S1 they match almost perfect just doing that.
They look similar with the BM having more detail because I do believe there’s some noise reduction from vlog.
@@MrJayclas wait is this something different from False color? I’ve never seen this
@@eddie_gyes its the same as the stop lights on red.you can increase exposure just before to clip any channel. False color is totally different. It has both.
Subbed & Liked. Good job my brotha. Lumix S5IIX Shooter here.
@@BassDad-TV thanks for joined! LUMIX gang!
On the Pyxis, Shooting anything below 1250 ISO will only shift the middle grey, so it doesn't actually make for less noise. This is why most people would only use it at 400ISO and 1250ISO. (1250 and not 3200 because on 1250 you tend to expose more to the right, netting you less noise) shooting up to 1000 ISO would do the opposite, and may result in more noise instead!
great video man, I also prefer that underexposed image
@@stjiro thanks for watching! Yea I really like it! Hopefully I have an actual shoot this weekend I can really put this thing through and share with you all!
Thank you for this video. I'm having a bit of a dilemma. I would like to record BRAW on my s5ii as i work with Davinci Resolve. I would have to buy the BRAW unlock firmware and Video Assist 12g. The HDMI delay might be a dealbreaker. How much delay is there after turning off audio output via HDMI? The Video Assist doesn't allow touch focus control right? I hope Blackmagic will come with an updated version of the Video Assist.
Personally bro I don’t get why people care about HDMI delays unless you use a 1st AC. Even shooting MF and pulling by hand isn’t that bad. On a cam with great Autofocus it’s not a problem. And if you have any issues you can always rent a teradek or something for jobs that require a shorter lag time.
@@guidedvisionsmediatrying to pull focus manually is nightmare with monitor delay
@@MrJayclas can’t say I’m perfect but I don’t mind at all. But also make sure me, the AC, and the director are locked in to make the project successful. So if that means shooting at f4 to have a higher hit rate of keeping things in focus so we don’t lose time that’s what works for us. Point taken though!
@@guidedvisionsmedia agree. For
Me it’s just because I use the s5ii in a broadcast setting the delay is a problem but nonetheless I still use it.
@@Giovanni-Giorgio if your not doing broadcast work specifically the delay is fine and not too troublesome. Idk like the milliseconds though
Pixis looks more filmic and more pleasing - Lumix is sharper image which I guess is why looks more digital
Guy, i haven't test it myself, but, i think maybe pyxis lack of sharpen vs the lumix, would be from it's olpf "heavy" filter. you thinks there is a sharpening "embed" with raw signal to the blackmagic video assist 12g ?
Just wanted to say thanks for the video... and to shake my fist at the sky and curse the video production gods!!! Why do all the agencies want videographers to shoot on an FX6??? What's really crazy are people using manual focus lenses and shooting at 24 or 30fps, so they aren't even using the two biggest benefits of the FX6 (i.e. Great autofocus and crop-less slow motion). It's a crazy world out there.
about the highlight recovery, braw of the lumix has the same capability of the pyxis? thanks!!
That location is nice
Cool cowboy hat
@@directorparisholmes2024 haha thanks it was for a friends wedding. I was like ahh this would be perfect for this setup.
What codec were you using for the s5iix?
@@fiercebeast2407 BRAW constant bit rate 8:1
I’m so confused by the first statement in this video….
“I did my best with the circumstances to shoot everything as similar as possible”
Then shows open gate 6k on the Pyxis while NOT shooting open gate on the S5IIX which is basically THE feature of the camera besides the new AF system lol
@@Eric.mov_ you cannot shoot open gate in braw on the s5iix. Thanks for watching
How bad is the latency on the Lumix?
my bad you answered at the end
@@BassDad-TV no worries. It’s bad though haha. Especially if you’re transmitting for broadcast it’s unusable. But if your turn the audio output off it gets better
@@eddie_g yeah mine for just my monitor is pretty laggy. I’m trying to decide between the black magic video assist and the Atamos. The b-raw would really be nice but I know I won’t wanna use it if it’s laggy lol. My b-roll cam is a gh5 right now but see I could sell it and get a Pyxis lol man the decisions
turn audio off on HDMI and the lag is gone
I feel like you purposely making sure the lumix look better 😂
@@directorparisholmes2024 😂 nah that camera is just straight 🔥 out the box. Folks sleeping like crazy on lumix. Sony who??????
@@eddie_g I think the Pixis looks better - the Lunix looks overly sharp
@@eddie_g you should have compared with VLOG on the S5