Ignition Coil Dyno Shootout
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2020
- Here we go, we finally made it after getting delayed for 5 months for one reason or another. Brian from PentastarV6Performance.com brought us all together to finally test the ignition coils from various manufacturers.
We have, RIPP Superchargers, MSD, Accel, D.U.I, and the stock replacement NGK ignition coils. Join us on our journey to discover the truth.
Brian and Aaron are professional prototype testing technicians who made every effort to be as transparent, fair and unbiased as possible. The video represents a short and entertaining version of our 3 hour long process of testing the samples. All data has been recorded even if it is not displayed in this video. We made it simple for your to see the results.
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Thank you guys. Kinda what i expected but i was def hoping to see higher numbers from ripp.
Yeah same here. Realistically, the crew was hoping for 5-8hp, but we were floored. The dyno guy was laughing and saying “what did you expect”. Maybe on a boosted car? We ran them twice each and the NGK that we ran in the beginning, which was the weakest, when we re-ran them at the end, they just matched the rest.
Nice job guys quick and efficient. I think you just save me $400 from buying NGK new spark plugs and Ripp coils for my Wrangler.
We were really hopeful that the RIPP is gonna work as advertised. I cam to Michigan with money in my hand to purchase a set. :/
With a stock engine is it worth getting better coils then OEM?
Nah, I don’t think so.
I've always had good luck with accel !
Just put the ripp coils in my 2014 Jeep JKU last week ! Def runs stronger ! Great video!! Great content!!
I’m glad you feel it. Some do, others don’t. Not sure what’s going on with that. I may get the MSD or Accel ones next year.
@@Turbo_Snail his butt dyno is broken
Great video and much appreciated. Kept me from wasting money!
Yeah, me too. If I need new ones I may go with something colorful but that’s really the only reason to.
I'm glad I installed ngk from the get go. Thanks for the great information
Glad we could help! NGKs are an excellent choice. I'd like to see some color. The best "looking" ones are the RIPP; just an amazing color, but I would go with Accel, again, just for the color.
I almost purchased the ripp because of their videos with all the gains they showed. Thanks again
Thanks for the vid guys!
Thanks for watching. I can’t believe we finally made it.
I would be interested in response time and if a hotter/faster spark has an effect on fuel efficiency since there doesn’t seem to be any effect on power. Great video and super enlightening!
I would say the spark with coils are controlled by the computer nowadays. I have insights in all that’s available through hptuners and I’m blown away. Back in the day when things were mechanical any little change made an impact. Today, the computer makes things possible that we can’t even imagine. I doubt that, especially after this test, any coil would make any difference. If you want better fuel efficiency all you have to do is de-tune your car. As I tune for more power, you can go backwards as well. Especially now that fuel is $5 a gallon. Cars today are made to be as efficient as possible with the most power safely possible. Cars in the 80s made 30+mpg but at 80hp. We get 30+mpg at 300+mpg in the USA. Most people in Europe drive diesel cars and even tho they are low hp, they are high torque and still get 50, 60, 70+mpg. Maybe we should start looking at smaller, more fuel efficient cars during times like these.
Wow that was mind boggling...thank you guys wow just wow
Thanks for watching. Yes very unexpected for us as well. RIPP claimed up to 30hp and we expected 5hp, hoping for 8hp. Then we looked at the low end, and when you overlay all the dyno charts, they are all the same.
Thanks for saving me 300 bucks. I am about to do my 3.6 oil filter/cooler orings, intake gaskets and plugs, I figured it was the perfect time to put some magical fancy coils in, but glad to see that would have just been a waste of money.
Maybe, whenever you need plugs, get some fancy colored ones. I really liked the color of the RIPP plugs but I think I'll be doing Accel if I ever need any.
@@Turbo_Snail I just put MSD on mine, wishing I went with Accell
Awesome video. So many people on Facebook actually think coils add power lol
Yeah, the shop owner already predicted the results. But the big claims from RIPP got us curious.
Now do it all over again on a boosted car! Thanks for the info on these guys!
Yeah, plans are being made over coffee. I’ll see what the next move is. I traveled 1100 miles for this. If you think some people are disappointed, I know how they feel.
Awesome Video, Thanks Guys!
Thanks for watching!!!
I added Brisk side discharge 3mm gap plugs with my MSD ignition, no dyno, but its a sand toy and the 2 combined made a lot of difference IMO especially on torque, Mind this is a 1975 carby engine with a 20,000v stock coil, so huge change.
Nice work!
Nice video. I never thought about this
Promises were made. We were just curious.
Great video! Do it again with that awesome 4 banger. I did not like the car on the dyno BORING but that first car WOW!
Lol 👍
The car sounded fantastic!!!
That is actually Brians car. The owner of PentastarV6Performance on Facebook. He arranged all that. I just flew to Michigan to shoot the video. Both Brian and Aaron are great guys. They are a wealth of knowledge on these engines.
yeah it would be interesting to see the difference on an aftermarket ecm that you could control dwell time.
There is a million ways to do these tests. However, the dyno guy told us up front that there is no way any plugs could make more power. Even on some of the super high HP cars he had there it wouldn’t make a difference.
The only question I have is how many miles are on the stock spark plugs? RIPP specifically mentioned changing out to NGK Iridium IX plugs when using their coil packs. They also mention widening the gap to .065. That might be where the power gain came from on their Dyno testing. If your still on your stock plugs, they could be tired. When I pulled mine, some of the electrodes were noticibly worn than others. My car only had 48,000 miles when I swapped them out.
I’ll try to find out. I know the car had around 80k miles. But I think Brian changed the plugs and the coils we tested were stock replacement coils for comparison, not the original old ones.
There dyno video said it gained 12hp on a 3.6 pentastar on stock plugs. Thinking there video was bs though as they did not show both runs.
Thank you guys 👍
Thank you for watching!
Thanks for the video👍🏻
Thanks for watching!
I might just stay with my stock Motorcraft ignition coils. I wonder if paired with a tuner, would the outcomes by different in terms of hp? I've heard if you have a tune, the fancy coils paired with certain spark plugs can give a possible huge hp gain.
Many of us have tunes. It just doesn’t work. Maybe if you’re boosted and tuned but I doubt it. Buy it when yours breaks for the color. 1-2 hp difference could just be within the tolerances of the run itself. The first coil was the same as the last and there was I think 1-2 hp. So nothing basically. I really loved the color of the RIPP. The nicest one by far.
Wish you had included the Weapon X multiple discharge coils. Would have liked to see the results.
We did what was available. Keep in mind. This was fundraised by members from PentastarV6Performance group on Facebook. (Only the parts not my trip or the video). If we had more $$$ we probably would have done more. Also dyno time was completely paid for by Brian Scott, admin of the same group.
The dyno owner pretty much predicted what was going to happen, and it did.
Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching
Awesome video! Thx u
Aaaand anther thanx here too. I had a feeling that snake oil is being sold by rip coil makers u seem to confirm it.
I’m sure they are absolutely necessary on a boosted car. I just don’t think they work in our application.
Thanks , currently researching for my challenger
I like the look of the msd and its half the price of ripp
Yes. I liked the way the MSD and Accel looked in person. The nicest color was on the RIPP but for the performance/price I think MSD is pretty enough.
The NGK coils (stock replacement) 2 run average resulted in 218.5HP ..... at the end the video they jumped up to 221HP re-installed? How does that work?
Margin of error, as well as high speed runs on the dyno. When we drove there we didn’t do several 0-100 pulls. That could have influenced the results. That’s also a reason we left RIPP for last.
Thank You!!
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Is it possible matching high performance coils with a slightly wider spark plug gap greater than spec might allow for a combined powerful yet still reliable burn in the cylinder without misfire?
Possibly. But the shop guy already predicted the outcome before the car ever was strapped down. There are tons of variables. Maybe once the engine approaches crazy hp or compression a could would matter. However on a stock engine or even slightly modified one I doubt it’ll do anything. I know it doesn’t do a thing on mine and I’m about as far as I’m able to push it without boost or NOS.
So the real question is what does the high performance coil actually do? Maybe it can be bench tested? Or is is just pretty? And yes, those RIPP coils do have a sweet color.
Glad I waited that's all I can say
Yeah, me too!
It’s OEM parts for me every time, irrespective whether it’s mechanical, electrical, body or trim. They are expensive but well worth the money
You are right. Quality control is a lot more strict it seems. Recently someone measured resistance on some performance spark plugs and it was all over the place. Got the OEM ones and they were nearly identical.
Do coils get old or less efficient... (like over 100,000 miles?)
or do they just stop working all of a sudden?
The coils either work or they don't. That being said, good quality coils should last you basically forever. I had a FIAT 500 and had 2 coil failures within the first 60k miles. Even then, you replace only the failed one. Coils fail as the insulation breaks down. You'll get arcing and it stops working. My sons Mercedes is still on original coils at 155k miles, my 200 is on originals at 58k miles. I understand there is/was a high failure rate on RIPP coils but haven't heard anything from other manufacturers. So, my advice, if it ain't broke......, as there isn't really anything to gain in performance anyways.
Since i watched your pug upgrade video ive been very interested in doing what i can to my v6 and get as much out of it as i can without it being forced induction as its still a daily car. Ill be keeping a close eye on your channel to learn more! Btw dose brian have a youtube channel? Thank you for the info in your videos!
Thanks for watching and subscribing. Yes, Brian does have a UA-cam channel as well as a very nice website. Look up PentastarV6Performance. He has a few videos on but his primary focus right now is the website and Facebook page of the same name.
@@Turbo_Snail yeah im on the facebook page of his thats how i was brought to your channel.
Thanks. We’ll try to do more videos soon. The last 5 months I was just a passenger of this crazy train and wasn’t able to really do things.
Aaron seems to have discovered something that we’re going to test, there may be more... stay tuned. It’ll be a month or so before we can say.
Can you provide the dyno graphs of each coil vs stock?
Yes. We will get them up on Brian’s site soon. They were all pretty much identical but we’ll provide them nonetheless.
Do you guy think on a tuned car that revs out to 7400 will make a difference on upgraded coil packs?
I’m not sure honestly. I think people think of coil packs still in terms of the old ignition systems. Maybe there is a difference at really high revs, maybe it matters whether the car is boosted. Maybe it does at really high horsepower. All I can tell you is that the guy who ran the shop and dynoes 1000+ hp cars predicted the results before we even strapped the car down.
Doesnt the ECM have to learn the new coils for them to run ideal?
No it doesn’t.
NGK makes good stuff.
Yes they do. I like them. I wish they had some funkier colors. Tuners want to show the aftermarket stuff of.
Should of tested some of those cheap amazon coil that you can get for like $10 a pop would be interesting to see what those would do.
After this test, I’m willing to bet that it’s all the same.
NOW i'm even more confused , but better educated thank you stock coil packs it is
Yeah, we kinda expected those results but we were hopeful that the claims actually were somewhat true.
Ignition Coils for the 200s finally debunked. Thanks !
A 5 month long project. Lol
😂 there has yet to be a 5.7l charger or challenger to beat me. The 5.7 is slow, the 6.4l is fast.
U guys are thinking about making Chrysler 200s faster with coils? Hahahahahahahaha pathetic
We didn’t think that. Ripp claimed more hp and we debunked it. Thanks for watching. For a second you believed it too!
Do u have to tune after u replace the coils???
No, you do not. Just plug and play.
Look at my PUG video to see how to take the intake off.
this was on the stock ignition box now lets try this test again using a msd 6a box and fresh ngk plugs and see what differences there are
What ignition box?
@@Turbo_Snail msd 6a
There is no ignition box bud.
The spark plugs were new as well.
Depending on how old or worn your spark plug has alot to do with it also
The spark plugs were new. We tried to account for anything that could skew these results.
I invested in the Accel Super Coils I soon excited! All excited .wrong go to fire up My 2000 Celica Gts after the install. Instant problem! Check Engine light comes on. error codes defective Coils ?! misfire on 2 and 3 cylinders
Damn, that sucks.
To be fair though if you ran the MSD coils with an MSD ignition Box then you would certainly see substantially higher power numbers.
Do a test like that and you will be amazed at the difference.
But good video anyhow.
I’d be curious to find out where to plug in that MSD ignition box.
whats the gain on that air intake?
Supposedly, about 10hp and 10lb ft of torque. I think there was 1 guy who actually dynoed the Mopar CAI. For $400, that’s a heck of an upgrade.
With the higher output coils, you can increase the plug gap some and pick up some more power. On that test, I bet the plug gaps could have been increased some without misfires occurring.
Possibly? But the increase would be negligible and the reliability would take a dive. Not worth messing with it. We are conditioned to still think ignition box and power, etc. this is a completely different system.
@@Turbo_Snail You might want to read the book The Doctor's Guide to Optimizing Your Ignition by Dr. Christopher Jacobs.
Brother. I’m looking for good but not to expensive performance coils for my Chrysler 300 2018
There are no performance coils. Pick the color you like best or just stick with the OEM ones.
I would really love to see the ripp ppl tagged to see what thier response would be.
Oh please don't. Let's not start this again lol.
Go to PentastarV6Performance on Facebook and read all about it. That was about 5 years ago. I'm trying to stay impartial here and just show what happened, but it was definitely a heavily discussed topic.
@@Turbo_Snail oh I didn't know that. The reason I was saying was because I purchased thier coils and well now I feel dumb lol. How can I find it on Facebook??
Oh man. Sorry. Just look up PentastarV6Performance on Facebook. The group has grown a bit since started. Use the search for the ripp coils. There are tons of posts and I think dyno sheets too.
Accel super coils for the win! If you buy ripp youre paying for the name.
Agreed. Buy coils for the color, kinda like skittles. RIPPs color is the best! For me Accel or MSD.
What about torque numbers and the curves?
They were posted on PentastarV6Performance on Facebook. They were all within 1-2hp and ft lb of torque. No increase anywhere in the range as claimed.
Why am I not surprised ? Lol I knew the accell would do better than msd. Msd is a big name with big hype !
The difference in hp is really within the margin of error. Basically, no difference at all.
That's crazy. RIPP posted a video of their coils on a Dodge Ram and it gained 12hp at the wheels. How did they manage that trickery?
That is the big question. Some are saying that a tuned car won’t feel a difference. We really don’t know. All I can show is what we documented. I wish it was different.
On a car that does not produce a lot of power, small changes such as coils will not produce a drastic change. The next test which the OP mentioned doing on a boosted car, is where there "may be" a difference. You see, on a 1000 hp race engine, just dropping the air temperature a few degrees could net you 50 hp...
That's how they can advertise a 35hp gain, because they probably ran them on an 800hp boosted motor, there's a lot of trickery in advertisements. Thank you to the OP for making this video and saving regular Joe's like you and I from wasting their hard earned money.
Another trick they may use is running an engine dyno vs a chassis dyno. On a chassis dyno power is lost through the trans, driveshaft, rear end and tires so the numbers aren't as flattering. On an engine dyno you can eliminate the power loss thereby inflating your HP & TQ numbers. So that 1000 hp race engine on an engine dyno makes 1000 hp but on a chassis dyno it's probably closer to 850.
@@Turbo_Snail Something I haven't heard anyone talk about, but on RIPP website they were also recommending a better spark plug. I don't know how did a difference it would make, but that's what they recommend. And I don't know if you tried upgrading the spark plugs for this test or not. Could better plugs make a difference?
This video is now a year old. Maybe it’s an after thought that we haven’t tested yet. I doubt it’s possible but who knows.
What is this test ran on stock spark plugs or did we have iridium spark plugs?
My next question would be I have a 2020 challenger with a 3.6 L in it. I only have 4700 miles on it. Would it be worth putting in new iridium spark plugs?
The stuff that comes stock from the factory is already excellent. Spend your money on other stuff but not here. The stock spark plugs are good for 100k miles. If your plugs go, just replace with a stock one unless you want a fancy color under your beauty cover.
There are tons of other places to make more HP. Check the upper intake manifold, CAI (the one from MOPAR), and a good tune. My 200 is lighter than a challenger but I consistently pull on even the 5.7l V8s. Add ethanol to that (mine is E85 capable from the factory) and I run 13.8s on a 1/4 mile on a hot day.
Thank you for the information right now the budget can support replacing the coil packs but I am having a hard time finding the XL super coil packs online and if you could help me with a good link to that and I also like to know if you have a good link for those other performance parts, like the upper and lower intake, it is on the docket. It’s just gonna be a little farther down the line if you have a website for that, I would appreciate it.
I put all the links for stuff I use in the description of the videos. I appreciate you supporting me in that way. It does help a lot.
Thank you very much for helping me find. Where is send these items can be bought but when I look them up, it only shows challenger coils from 2011 to 2016. Do we have any links for the 2020 V6 version?
Wow wth happened with the RIPP coils? Urk!
Exactly what some expected. I actually showed up with cash to buy these RIPPs of Brian. I'm glad I didn't spend the money.
220ish AWHP with all those mods? (coils not withstanding)
AWD drive train loss!
So BBK throttlebody, Mopar CAI PUG, and a tune and 220AWHP is all? I'd hate to see what the stock numbers were
Well, that’s maybe for another video. But seriously, I think I remember the garage owner saying it’ll be reading a bit low. We couldn’t run in 5th gear so he ran the car at 3000rpm for calibration but that’s maybe why it was lower than expected.
@@tylerfoster828 meh. Numbers don't mean much , it's timeslips that count .
Wel let's see them :)
What about cheap coils the ones that cost between 50 and 75 each?
Based on our test. I doubt it matters if you go with expensive vs cheap. Maybe there is a quality difference in regards to how long they last but we found no improvement in performance.
@@Turbo_Snail thank you
I'm so lost so how did Ripp get 250HP stock to 264HP with Ripp coil packs? He made a video of it for the Ram 1500 3.6 Pentastar is his Dyno faking numbers?
I don’t think they faked numbers. It could have been a whole bunch of factors. If the original coils were old, by putting in new coils, it will give an improvement. Also, when we did our first run, the numbers were a bit lower, on the last run we put the original coils back in and it had a higher horsepower. Also, the ram is probably tuned for more torque, less hp, that could be a factor. We could have run 10 runs and take the lowest number and do another 10 runs with the other coils and take the highest number. We only did 2 runs per coil set. We were really disappointed with the results. I had money in hand to buy the #2 coils from Brian. The dyno guy called it before we even started, he said, there is no way we would have any improvement. Was betting an 8-10hp over stock, Brian and Aaron were betting 5hp over stock. We checked the graphs, high and low, it just was within 2-3hp, which is within the margin of tolerance. I can’t speak for RIPP. They were so sure about their coils, they sent Brian a free set for the shootout. Brian and Aaron are professionals, the 2 dyno guys there do it for a living. I was the only one who was more of a bystander. I learned a lot. Maybe a different ambient temperature. It was fairly cool that day, maybe if the car was boosted. Maybe with a different spark plug combination, maybe without AWD, maybe, maybe, maybe. I’d love to repeat this whole thing. Brian will be doing another dyno day for the throttle body, we’ll see what happens then.
@@Turbo_Snail Yes Sir that's true so many different factors play a huge role Ripp mostly likely used NGK Spark plugs along with the Coil pack but overall I'm looking forward to seeing any other videos you guys will post keep up the good work 👍👌💯
It must be said that Brian had new stock replacement NGK coils. We did not test the original factory ones that had 80+k miles on them. How many miles did the RIPP ones have that did the dyno comparison? More videos coming. I was going to install a strut brace today but don’t get to it. This week tho! :)
@@Turbo_Snail I'm not sure how many miles the coils had that Ripp used he just Installed the Ripp performance coils and showed a Dyno of the results RWHp went from 250.5 to 262 I'll put the link to the video on here so you can check it out let me know what you think and how we can possibly reach the gains he accomplished I know temperature, humidity and elevation plays a huge role do you think that's why he got those results? Other than that he says it's Complete Stock in the video at the end he explains , do you know who sells Strut bars for a 2014 Ram 1500 3.6 I can't seem to find it anywhere 😐ua-cam.com/video/1klB5I9reyY/v-deo.html
Thank you. Not sure about the strut bar for the ram, I’m installing the one from the dart on my 200. It’s supposed to fit. Head over to PentastarV6Performance on Facebook. There was a bit of a discussion on the coil shootout. Some people were disappointed, some angry, confused and some were the “I told you so” crowd. Somehow, all of them are correct.
Accel it is
Thats what I would have picked if I needed some. I do like the color of RIPP tho!
I can just imagine the time I takes to remove the intake every time.
Thought the exact same thing
The video where it time lapses runs at 1200% or 12 times the original speed just for reference.
Only takes about 3 minutes if you don't reattach the 3 brackets, which wouldn't be necessary for a dyno cage comparison. Wouldn't want to go down any bumpy roads without them though.
@@sienile the brackets have been off ever since this video. No problems so far .
@@brianscott5896 - That's good. Still not chancing it with mine, plus mine's a Caravan, so the upper radiator hose uses the intake for support.
You need to run it with a msd ignition box
That’s not how this works. It’s a coil on plug.
@@Turbo_Snail you can put a ignition box on it my guy I watched a video showing what happens when you do guy turns the distributor by hand and it mades a massive difference
Sorry my man. You’re living in a different age if you’re still talking about distributors. These and many other new engines don’t work that way.
@@Turbo_Snail I am still getting with the times apparently lol
My question is, did fuel economy increase???
We did not test for fuel economy. As a personal opinion, I doubt there would be any noticeable improvement.
That was peak HP! How did the entire curve compare??? Everyone gets wrapped up in peak HP, but what about any gains down low, middle, and top end? Peak is a one data point. It is called a Power curve, not a flat line.
It was all the same when you overlayed it. No change low mid or high rev range.
@@Turbo_Snail thanks for the reply 👍
What about torque
Same. The guy who owned the shop predicted it before we even strapped down the car.
What about us regular guys just wanna drive daily
No one made a video on gas mileage. However, if we don’t see an increase in hp or torque, I doubt there is anything in fuel savings either.
Yo
Lol. We finally got it. Brian and I gonna have a drink now and then I’m heading to the airport.
Lol 😂 ripp claiming 30whp... What are they doing wrong? Or right. Like come one that's not even close
The guy who dynoed the car predicted it before we were strapped down. He said that there is no way any of these make any extra hp.
@@Turbo_Snail I said the same thing, but decided to look for an independent test. It's pretty unfortunate these companies still are sales first product second.
That’s why we did this whole thing. No one else claimed hp increase. Not even msd. I understand with high hp situations and an old setup. Not with coil like this.
Shytty music
I know, I was gonna do some country or bluegrass but then I'd have more than one person complaining.
John , I see you haven't made any videos. I would love to see some .