I think I finally understand the adjustment now. To clarify what you're saying correctly: the spring-hydralics in the piston is too strong to retract using pliers on the pointer piece. You can only do that (if you screw up and release the piston too far) by turning the hex socket counter clockwise (and you should do that slowly). So start with the pointer all the way to the left to have the most slack to get the timing belt on. Then get the pointer as far to the right tightening up the t-belt and lock in place with the bolt before releasing the piston. Then adjust the pointer to the left (pulling clockwise with the pliers) as much as necessary to get your 8mm gap leaving the piston at about the center of it's range. The piston is slow to react and turning the crankshaft two turns makes sure the gap has settled and that your marks still line up.
oh man, it all depends how many teeth it was off. But if you were able to get it running even though it ran like crap it usually means the valves didnt hit the piston and arent bent, just not closing and opening on time! Usually when they hit the piston, the engine just wont start period.
I have got to say that this is certainly the best video out there currently, to show how this car's timing belt is supposed to be done. I don't agree about the 1/2 tooth out of alignment that you tolerated, but that's just me :) Excellent job! Keep it up please.
This was very helpful. I'm in the process of changing my timing belt but it's for an audi a4 b7...a few different parts but pretty much the same techniques. I got a lil confuse wit setting the tensioner, but after watching this video I'm way more confident now. Thanks again buddy.
Yes it really shouldnt be off, thinking back it might have been because I didnt rotate the engine enough times or I marked the tdc on the cover a little off. Either way thanks for your comment.
Thank you. Your video totally helped. My water pump was much harder to pull out, since it was so old and had been leaking, but I got it. There are a lot of parts to remove to get to it, so a full detailed video is very helpful.
Update, pro tip: Replace the failure-prone plunger/idler assembly with a manually adjusted tensioner, as used in the B6 Audi AMB 1.8T engine. ECS tuning and others sell the adapter kit -- highly recommended.
Unfortunately there is a very high chance you have bent valves, when you get the new belt on you can do a compression test and find out for sure. Sorry
Thanks for the video. It took me two days but I am sure I would not have attempted it without your video. I broke an allen wrench in one of the harmonic balancer bolts. Could not drill it out. Beat a 12mm socket with 12 points over the bolt and was able to remove it. Also, attempted to torque the tensioner bolts to 25 lbs as suggested. One bolt broke at 20. Oh yes, the thermostat goes in with the spring side in the block. Thanks again for your help!!
Never had to count the teeth on any timing belt job I've ever done, if you go to a reputable parts store, know yr/make/engine size/date of manufacture or if necessary vin# of your vehicle, they should be able to give you the correct timing belt. If they tell you to go count the teeth on your timing belt instead of asking you the above info you need to go to a different parts store.
There is a procedure on Passat world that leaves the half tooth off timing mark to the right of the mark on the valve cover rather than to the left as in your video. The reasoning behind this is, if the belt stretches over time then the timing will improve rather than get worse.
If the car was running and the timing belt broke you have bent valves, sorry. If you are asking how you can check to see if the timing belt is broken or not, you can remove the upper timing belt cover and check it. I dont remember exactly but you might have to remove the serpentine belt tensioner and the serpentine belt, check my number 2 video for this. You wont have to put lock carrier in service position for this. gl
Thank you for this video. I am having the job done by a licensed mechanic but I wanted to see what he needs to do. He has done many of these before and I trust him but just was curious how to do it.
Big job, I think I'd replace the thermostat while I was in there as well cause that looks like a murphy kicking just waiting for you. Well done, thanks for the video!
Half a tooth on the cam is a full tooth on the crank as the crank spins twice for every rotation of the cam. The marks should line up to the dot or the engine will not be timed correctly and if bad enough you'll get cam/crank allocation trouble codes. The timing belt will also stretch slightly so that's going to mess your timing even more. Your car, your engine, my advice...take it or leave it. Best regards from a level 3 Audi tech.
+1 I had a code 17748 cam/crank correlation error on my 2003 Passat 1.8T. The belt was replaced before I bought it.Removed the timing covers and the belt looked exactly like this video (at min 5:30) with the cam mark slightly to the left of the mark on the cover. Moved one tooth over marks now line up and no more engine light.
As you know it's best to take the timing covers off and check the cam windows for proper time, the pully might be off slightly but that's no big deal as long as the exhaust cam is timed properly.
I'm not sure if you'll ever see this comment but I need help bad. I have a 2000 vw passat 1.8t gls atw. I turned the crankshaft without the timing belt on and now i can't get anything timed right. Is there a remedy for this or did I completely junk it up? BTW, you have been my greatest UA-cam teacher so far! Thank you for everything you do!
I, unfortunately, was unable to change the belt before it broke. I was going less than 10mph almost at an idle when it happened. Absolutely heard nothing when it happened. What are the chances of not having valve damage? I'm already pulling things off to replace the belt and waterpump.
I havent remove a cylinder head of these cars but you'll need a special tool to remove the head bolts. If you have done a headgasket before and have time and patience you can probably pull it off. Or you can always get the car in service position and remove as much as you can before getting someone with experience to remove the head and save on labor costs. GL
Very informative, I happne to have a beetle 1.8T, not too much space to manage the tentioner, any lessons learned from front wheel engines time belts? Thanks
......then when you take the pin out you can hold the metal part of the tensioner that the piston hits and slowly let pressure off to allow the piston to come out until you get correct measurement, or even pull it up slightly if your careful. And if its half a tooth out it can cause running problems from cold it should always line up correctly if done correctly
thank you your video was to me very helpful. I changed the timing belt for may past 1.8t 2003 after one day driving I got p0011. when I opened the upper side timing belt cover I saw the roller tensioner went back and the hydraulic tensioner went back to its original position. when I loosed the roller nuts the hydraulic pushed the roller up. I believe my mistake was that I tightened the roller nuts to strong. what do you think? do you have the torque for roller nuts?
I had a question for you. I did this whole process and had the cam gear spin clockwise on me a little ways. I stupidly started my car, which was tough and it idled like shit. I turned it off in about 5 seconds. I'm having a guy come out and fix the timing so I can make sure everything is right. It didn't throw any codes because I didn't give it time to do so. Should I be alright? I didn't hear any pinging,.
I have an 2003 passat 1.8 t . It has a little over 100,000 miles on it. I have put timeing belts on other things in the past but never a VW. Is this 2004 the same as the 2003 passat ?
I did everything u stated in ur video everythibg matches but my harmonic balancer wobbles and my engine turn off ? Took everything apart and check everything was ok. Any advice thanks
Lol sorry.. didn't seem I was being asked.. apparently the piston is supposed to go down that way when the belt loosens due to use, the piston will than start coming out keeping the belt tight.. my passat hasn't given me problems so yep yep
Ok, I figured such. How tough is removing the head assembly? I don't have any special tools. Would you recommend at this point having someone with more experience. I'm not afraid to tackle these projects. The car is already broken ;)
Hi I have 03 VW Passat I know I need to replace the timing bell, but is there a way I can find out with out changing the timing bell if I miss up the valve. See The car told me to stop and I did not. Until the car just stop on me. which that was sad.
For starters you don't need cable /zip ties. If you put the belt on the pulleys in the correct sequence it should go on no problems.( first crank, second cam then waterpump last.) Secondly the tensioner should have a line an it and you turn the part of the tensioner so that the bit that sticks out is 180 degrees from the line ( the line should be on the part of the tensioner that doesn't turn.) Finally if you look at the mark on the cam it's actually before the tooth not on the tooth........
Doing a timing belt is easy Doing a timing gear set and chain is easy As long as you understand what is TDC BDC If you are not paying attention you can easily be 180 degrees off or even 1 -several teeth off and if its that far off you should not be doing that kind of repair to begin with.
How long does a timing belt last on a Passat before needing replacement? I am planning on buying a 2003 VW Passat and the timing belt was changed when the vehicle was at 73k and now its at 93k.
Correction .......mark is after the tooth not on the tooth.... This is so its easier to aline by looking at the other end of the pulley ( move the belt slightly away so you can see the inside of the pulley rather than trying to look along the pulley )
When changing your timing belt, they recommend you change your water pump as well. Must you also have to change the thermostat or does that depend on its condition?
Same length of time to change a timing belt. If you need a water pump replace the belt and visa versa. Never replace one without the other. Get a complete kit. It contains tensioner and every thing else you need including the pin to hold the tensioner.
I have now got my car into service position and am prepared to remove belt as long as I line up the lines on cam how do I know and does it matter if it is on the compression or exhaust stroke @Ratchets And Wrenches
I've followed all the steps and the hydraulic piston on the tensioner keeps becoming contracted after awhile (5 minutes running vehicle) Does anyone know why this is happening? Please help!!
if I want to change the timing belt and I am messing up with camshaft teeth and belt. is it possible to get it right position? please ask my question cause I need to know before start up
Dont start the car if your timing marks arent lining up, you will destroy your engine. Keep watching this videos and keep trying until you get them to line up, after each time you adjust the belt, turn the crank two full rotations and check your marks. If they still dont line up get a professional to come fix it for you. GL
2 or 3 millimeters? no that shouldnt destroy your engine, but I wont be held responsible if it does since you might have over tightened something else or the belt might be too loose or something!! Just take the belt off, follow the instructions exactly, especially about the tensioner and try again. You should get it right. Also make sure you are looking at the cam straight.. maybe its at exactly TDC anyways. GL
Did the noise only come after you changed the timing belt? If you put the timing belt on wrong you would have a check engine light, probably regarding a camshaft sensor also missfire's if you put it on way off mark. On the other hand sounds like you have a bad turbo, oil is leaking into your intercooler and being sucked up into your intake manifold and burned by your engine, thats why you have low power. As far as the noise, it will be very hard for me to tell, but try to pin point where the noise is coming from, top of engine left or right? Maybe your turbo? GL
I seriously hope none of you did what this guy did. he makes this job way harder than needed to be. He doesnt even know the name of the tools he is using come on people
Yw, it always helps to have a good understanding of what gets done on your car even if you are not doing it yourself. tx for watching.
I think I finally understand the adjustment now. To clarify what you're saying correctly: the spring-hydralics in the piston is too strong to retract using pliers on the pointer piece. You can only do that (if you screw up and release the piston too far) by turning the hex socket counter clockwise (and you should do that slowly). So start with the pointer all the way to the left to have the most slack to get the timing belt on. Then get the pointer as far to the right tightening up the t-belt and lock in place with the bolt before releasing the piston. Then adjust the pointer to the left (pulling clockwise with the pliers) as much as necessary to get your 8mm gap leaving the piston at about the center of it's range. The piston is slow to react and turning the crankshaft two turns makes sure the gap has settled and that your marks still line up.
oh man, it all depends how many teeth it was off. But if you were able to get it running even though it ran like crap it usually means the valves didnt hit the piston and arent bent, just not closing and opening on time! Usually when they hit the piston, the engine just wont start period.
I have got to say that this is certainly the best video out there currently, to show how this car's timing belt is supposed to be done. I don't agree about the 1/2 tooth out of alignment that you tolerated, but that's just me :) Excellent job! Keep it up please.
You have too haha.
Glad you like it, lot of hard work making this timing belt video :-)
I got them at a local import auto parts whole seller here in San Diego but I hear Blau parts online has good parts. GL
This was very helpful. I'm in the process of changing my timing belt but it's for an audi a4 b7...a few different parts but pretty much the same techniques. I got a lil confuse wit setting the tensioner, but after watching this video I'm way more confident now. Thanks again buddy.
zip tie on the cam gear was genius!
Yes it really shouldnt be off, thinking back it might have been because I didnt rotate the engine enough times or I marked the tdc on the cover a little off. Either way thanks for your comment.
Thank you. Your video totally helped. My water pump was much harder to pull out, since it was so old and had been leaking, but I got it. There are a lot of parts to remove to get to it, so a full detailed video is very helpful.
Update, pro tip: Replace the failure-prone plunger/idler assembly with a manually adjusted tensioner, as used in the B6 Audi AMB 1.8T engine. ECS tuning and others sell the adapter kit -- highly recommended.
Unfortunately there is a very high chance you have bent valves, when you get the new belt on you can do a compression test and find out for sure. Sorry
Thanks for the video. It took me two days but I am sure I would not have attempted it without your video. I broke an allen wrench in one of the harmonic balancer bolts. Could not drill it out. Beat a 12mm socket with 12 points over the bolt and was able to remove it. Also, attempted to torque the tensioner bolts to 25 lbs as suggested. One bolt broke at 20. Oh yes, the thermostat goes in with the spring side in the block. Thanks again for your help!!
Never had to count the teeth on any timing belt job I've ever done, if you go to a reputable parts store, know yr/make/engine size/date of manufacture or if necessary vin# of your vehicle, they should be able to give you the correct timing belt. If they tell you to go count the teeth on your timing belt instead of asking you the above info you need to go to a different parts store.
The best video of timing belt replacement procedure. Very professional .
I'm doing a t-belt on a buddies passat this weekend. Now I know how to do it the right way lol. Thanks for uploading this
There is a procedure on Passat world that leaves the half tooth off timing mark to the right of the mark on the valve cover rather than to the left as in your video. The reasoning behind this is, if the belt stretches over time then the timing will improve rather than get worse.
Yes Pretty sure its the same procedure. Double check with your manual though.
If the car was running and the timing belt broke you have bent valves, sorry. If you are asking how you can check to see if the timing belt is broken or not, you can remove the upper timing belt cover and check it. I dont remember exactly but you might have to remove the serpentine belt tensioner and the serpentine belt, check my number 2 video for this. You wont have to put lock carrier in service position for this. gl
Thank you for this video. I am having the job done by a licensed mechanic but I wanted to see what he needs to do. He has done many of these before and I trust him but just was curious how to do it.
Big job, I think I'd replace the thermostat while I was in there as well cause that looks like a murphy kicking just waiting for you. Well done, thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching!
I've found that binder clips work well in holding the timing belt on the pulleys
Thanks man, I was searching for a good explanation of that tensioner and yours is the best on the web! Thanks again!
rlembitz np, gald you found it useful. Thanks for commenting. cheers
Sounds good. These videos are awesome. If you need to make a video about removing the cylinder head, let me know. I have just the car for you.
Half a tooth on the cam is a full tooth on the crank as the crank spins twice for every rotation of the cam. The marks should line up to the dot or the engine will not be timed correctly and if bad enough you'll get cam/crank allocation trouble codes. The timing belt will also stretch slightly so that's going to mess your timing even more. Your car, your engine, my advice...take it or leave it. Best regards from a level 3 Audi tech.
+1 I had a code 17748 cam/crank correlation error on my 2003 Passat 1.8T. The belt was replaced before I bought it.Removed the timing covers and the belt looked exactly like this video (at min 5:30) with the cam mark slightly to the left of the mark on the cover. Moved one tooth over marks now line up and no more engine light.
As you know it's best to take the timing covers off and check the cam windows for proper time, the pully might be off slightly but that's no big deal as long as the exhaust cam is timed properly.
Nope, it never perfectly matches up on these cars
I'm not sure if you'll ever see this comment but I need help bad. I have a 2000 vw passat 1.8t gls atw. I turned the crankshaft without the timing belt on and now i can't get anything timed right. Is there a remedy for this or did I completely junk it up? BTW, you have been my greatest UA-cam teacher so far! Thank you for everything you do!
I, unfortunately, was unable to change the belt before it broke. I was going less than 10mph almost at an idle when it happened. Absolutely heard nothing when it happened. What are the chances of not having valve damage? I'm already pulling things off to replace the belt and waterpump.
just a great tip related tensor belts thanks for that
I havent remove a cylinder head of these cars but you'll need a special tool to remove the head bolts. If you have done a headgasket before and have time and patience you can probably pull it off. Or you can always get the car in service position and remove as much as you can before getting someone with experience to remove the head and save on labor costs. GL
Very informative, I happne to have a beetle 1.8T, not too much space to manage the tentioner, any lessons learned from front wheel engines time belts?
Thanks
......then when you take the pin out you can hold the metal part of the tensioner that the piston hits and slowly let pressure off to allow the piston to come out until you get correct measurement, or even pull it up slightly if your careful. And if its half a tooth out it can cause running problems from cold it should always line up correctly if done correctly
thank you your video was to me very helpful. I changed the timing belt for may past 1.8t 2003 after one day driving I got p0011. when I opened the upper side timing belt cover I saw the roller tensioner went back and the hydraulic tensioner went back to its original position. when I loosed the roller nuts the hydraulic pushed the roller up. I believe my mistake was that I tightened the roller nuts to strong. what do you think? do you have the torque for roller nuts?
Great video. This helped out alot. Thanks for explaining the tensioner it made sense.
Eddie Surface haha glad it made sense. Thanks for your comment!
I had a question for you. I did this whole process and had the cam gear spin clockwise on me a little ways. I stupidly started my car, which was tough and it idled like shit. I turned it off in about 5 seconds. I'm having a guy come out and fix the timing so I can make sure everything is right. It didn't throw any codes because I didn't give it time to do so. Should I be alright? I didn't hear any pinging,.
I have an 2003 passat 1.8 t .
It has a little over 100,000 miles on it.
I have put timeing belts on other things in the past but never a VW.
Is this 2004 the same as the 2003 passat ?
Great video . Thanks for the explanation of the tensioner part .
Very good job. like it alot. i'm going to do mine here really soon. where did you get the timing belt kit from when you did it?
How many km do they have recommended before changing rhw timing belt
I did everything u stated in ur video everythibg matches but my harmonic balancer wobbles and my engine turn off ? Took everything apart and check everything was ok. Any advice thanks
very helpful video series, thank you!
4:33 i pulled pin but its keeps going all the way back down instead of up any tips ?
3 yr old video but I did the repair recently but my tensioner piston doesn't stay up, It goes back down.. any advice?
Did you ever figure this out? I'm having the same problem right now. I've looked all over and can't figure it out!
Cameron McEldoon did you found a solution ?
Answer the people David! They're waiting for the answer.
Lol sorry.. didn't seem I was being asked.. apparently the piston is supposed to go down that way when the belt loosens due to use, the piston will than start coming out keeping the belt tight.. my passat hasn't given me problems so yep yep
Buy new tensioner
when do you tighten up idle pulley nut you didn't show that do yo do it after tensioner is released? ??
Ok, I figured such. How tough is removing the head assembly? I don't have any special tools. Would you recommend at this point having someone with more experience. I'm not afraid to tackle these projects. The car is already broken ;)
Hi I have 03 VW Passat I know I need to replace the timing bell, but is there a way I can find out with out changing the timing bell if I miss up the valve. See The car told me to stop and I did not. Until the car just stop on me. which that was sad.
For starters you don't need cable /zip ties. If you put the belt on the pulleys in the correct sequence it should go on no problems.( first crank, second cam then waterpump last.) Secondly the tensioner should have a line an it and you turn the part of the tensioner so that the bit that sticks out is 180 degrees from the line ( the line should be on the part of the tensioner that doesn't turn.) Finally if you look at the mark on the cam it's actually before the tooth not on the tooth........
Doing a timing belt is easy
Doing a timing gear set and chain is easy
As long as you understand what is TDC BDC
If you are not paying attention you can easily be 180 degrees off or even 1 -several teeth off and if its that far off you should not be doing that kind of repair to begin with.
How long does a timing belt last on a Passat before needing replacement? I am planning on buying a 2003 VW Passat and the timing belt was changed when the vehicle was at 73k and now its at 93k.
Correction .......mark is after the tooth not on the tooth.... This is so its easier to aline by looking at the other end of the pulley ( move the belt slightly away so you can see the inside of the pulley rather than trying to look along the pulley )
When changing your timing belt, they recommend you change your water pump as well. Must you also have to change the thermostat or does that depend on its condition?
Yes, its a very good idea to change the water pump and thermostat while you're in there. Its money well spent. GL
How can you push the piston back down on a tensioner?
Wats the best timing kit to buy for a 1.8
Continental contitech set. It includes the better water pump
What's the labour time for this job chaps?
hey how did you compress the tensioner to loose up belt?
Zip tie detail is awesome
I would like to see timing for jetta 4 1.6 1999 model.
great video.. I need to replace my water pump.. how long of a job you think it would be?. 2002 a4 quattro 1.8
Same length of time to change a timing belt. If you need a water pump replace the belt and visa versa. Never replace one without the other. Get a complete kit. It contains tensioner and every thing else you need including the pin to hold the tensioner.
Hello. Audi a3 8l 1.8 belt change 60000km?
I have now got my car into service position and am prepared to remove belt as long as I line up the lines on cam how do I know and does it matter if it is on the compression or exhaust stroke @Ratchets And Wrenches
haha np, gl.
I've followed all the steps and the hydraulic piston on the tensioner keeps becoming contracted after awhile (5 minutes running vehicle) Does anyone know why this is happening? Please help!!
if I want to change the timing belt and I am messing up with camshaft teeth and belt. is it possible to get it right position? please ask my question cause I need to know before start up
Dont start the car if your timing marks arent lining up, you will destroy your engine. Keep watching this videos and keep trying until you get them to line up, after each time you adjust the belt, turn the crank two full rotations and check your marks. If they still dont line up get a professional to come fix it for you. GL
2 or 3 millimeters? no that shouldnt destroy your engine, but I wont be held responsible if it does since you might have over tightened something else or the belt might be too loose or something!! Just take the belt off, follow the instructions exactly, especially about the tensioner and try again. You should get it right. Also make sure you are looking at the cam straight.. maybe its at exactly TDC anyways. GL
Did the noise only come after you changed the timing belt? If you put the timing belt on wrong you would have a check engine light, probably regarding a camshaft sensor also missfire's if you put it on way off mark.
On the other hand sounds like you have a bad turbo, oil is leaking into your intercooler and being sucked up into your intake manifold and burned by your engine, thats why you have low power. As far as the noise, it will be very hard for me to tell, but try to pin point where the noise is coming from, top of engine left or right? Maybe your turbo?
GL
Good job man , thanks for sharing.
can you replace the water pump without touching the timing belt?
No, you need to remove the belt because the bets moves the water pump
@@PeppersOnChili thanks for your explanation.
wats the driffent between the audi 1.8litr an the vw passat same perseadure ign timing
They are the same engine, with minor differences, but the timing belt procedure should be the same. But check your manual to be sure! GL
same basics same function same engine ignition timing position
by the way 8mm drill bit is equivalent to 5/16 (7.9mm)
najs Cars to working whit i changed mine belt on a passat 1.8t 2001 ectually today toke me 4 hours in a small Car garage
Everyone conveniently skips the important part...
I just change my water pump and timing belt and the car won't start after 2 or 3 attempts..I did something wrong???
Fermin Marquez Try turning it off and back on again
where is videos from begining ?
A car is not practical and needs a very specialized technician and this is especially difficult in the countries of the Middle East
and yes on my proyect my don't line up is off little no more than one teeth I dont know way
How to replace timing belt on 2.0 tdi VW Passat 2006 ??
Thank you.. my AEB... looks same
there is two types of timing belts,one has 162 teeth,163.be care full count ur timing belt teeth before install the new one good luck .
nice job
I seriously hope none of you did what this guy did. he makes this job way harder than needed to be. He doesnt even know the name of the tools he is using come on people
Have some mercy 😂
hey bud if your a half a tooth off you are not time right at all
bet when you started it you got a camshaft code
good job like it
Thank you
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Video is great but the car design is completely wrong
That was very hard to understand
Lik e you attempt to be specific
Good
Which you are
After a tooth difference now code 16395 haha
he is not a mechanic yet,
Half a tooth is ok lol.. Right..
I should of just bought a honda
It's not a piston is a lock rod no way too drop it when release
How many km do they have recommended before changing rhw timing belt
jiinlone07 Its based on your car's year make and model.
In europe they do it roughly on 50k, but as mentioned it differs from car to another