The Story Behind the Music of Drumline
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Historically Black Colleges and Universities have heavily influenced some of today’s biggest hits. Songs like “Industry Baby” by Lil Nas X and “Love Lockdown” by Kanye West wouldn’t sound the same without the catchy, marching band-inspired beats.
Arthur "LA" Buckner talks to Grammy Award Winning Percussionist, Dasmyn Grigsby, about the evolution of HBCU marching bands and how they continue to influence pop culture today.
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I grew up in a house a few blocks away from Morgan State University. I could hear the band practicing from my front yard. Thanks for another great video!
Bmore stand up!
It was such an honor to write for this episode of Sound Field! This culture is something I love deeply and it was great to get the information out there! Shout out to Josef and DeNae!
As an European I had no idea that "Drumline" even existed. That's fascinating and I'm glad I've learned so much thanks to this video, so well documented and edited! Keep it up!
The best hands don't come from any of those schools. They come from top tier drum corps no matter where they go to school. Example one brandon. Example two chino hills high school. I have like 400 examples or so.
I grew up in ATL in the 70s when SW DeKalb HS was an all-white school. We played them in football every year and not many people know this but they had a top notch fife and drum corps style marching band even back then. Crisp, vibrant, and precise af. When white flight took place in DeKalb County in the 80s the one thing that didn't shift all that much was the sound of the SWD band. By the early 90s their sound had come to fruition, to what we know today. More members, louder, and moving and sounding just like a college band, more like FAMU.
I love love love when you go into the history of African American musical genres. I know the producers want varied content, but tell them we appreciate you giving us some shine.
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We see you Dasmyn!!
How black culture influenced all of music! Is what you mean. Jazz, rock, bluegrass, hip hop, gospel etc. It’s truly Amazing how influential a former enslaved people could persevere and come out of the ashes. African Americans are truly amazing!
We've got episodes on all of those topics check it out
ALL FACTS!💯🔥🔥
It may be a little politically incorrect, and some may see it as "whataboutism" or whatever, but I'd really be interested in seeing some studies on "how [different cultures] influenced [specific culture]'s music," starting with "How black music is influenced by different cultures." It's not to take anything away from the monumental contributions black people have made to music as a whole, but I just feel like exploring the influences other cultures have on black music is understudied and overlooked.
It would also be dope to see stuff like "How European Classical music was influenced by the Middle East" and stuff like that. You hear little bits and pieces of stuff like this mentioned here and there, but never really get a deep dive... maybe the pool is shallow, though, and there just isn't that much cross-influence going on.
It could definitely be very controversial a topic to explore... like, even with drumline stuff, I remember reading some HBCU showstyle drumline forums and seeing how many people of the older generations were disliking the way the newer drummers are seemingly being influenced by DCI to incorporate a more technical style of playing into their routines, throwing in crazy rhythmic chops here and there, as they view it as abandoning the traditional funky drumkit emulation style of the past.
@@OdaKa: That would be a great series of reading.
I'm so glad y'all did a video on this. Setting the record straight!
love that i saw the A&T drumline using the BYOS sticks. shoutout to harvey and ralph. the activity WORLDWIDE wouldnt be the same without them.
All my Midwest cousins were in marching bands through high school, and two of them even played in the Rose Bowl Parade. I went to so many of their summer practices and couldn't stop myself from dancing on the sidelines the moment the drums started. Now, half a century later, the opening of this video still thrilled me. Thanks!
Thanks @SoundField for crediting Dr. William P. Foster for his accomplishments in not just HBCU bands, but the entirety of marching bands. I was just saying a few days ago how the HBCU culture isn't shared too much outside of it's community. So yes to this video and more of them!!! (FAMU Marching 100 Fall '93)
Hubba Hubba! (FAMU Marching 100 Fall ‘16, Trumpet)
Aggie Pride!! shout out to you guys for featuring my band the Blue and Gold Marching Machine! #Loyalty one of our drummers featured at the 6:00 mark was actually apart of Beyoncé's Coachella performance as well!
LA, THANK YOU for telling this story so well!!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I never attended a HBCU but my HS always stayed connected with SCSU!!! They had us attending their camps, rival games & concerts. Many of our cadences came from BBI (SCSU Drumline). Every band camp, their drum majors was getting us right
William P Foster gets a lot of credit, but people forget what Conrad Hutchinson, director of Grambling, did for the HBCU band culture. Played in many Super Bowls, including the first one, and has traveled abroad as ambassadors of U.S. black culture many times...i.e., the moniker, World Famed.
Also, the A&T band in drumline was a hodgepodge of bandmembers throughout the AUC, not just Southwest dekalb. I was there...good video though.
Always!
Let’s not forget about Jackson State Sonic Boom of the South
I was looking for this comment!!! No doubt, Dr Foster laid the groundwork, but Dr Hutchinson took showstyle to a whole 'nother level. #WorldFamed
Wasn't Clark Atlanta a part of the "A&T" band makeup as well?
@@KJinTX just a hand full of them, literally. 99% of the band was SWD. I was in the band. We allowed them have some members mix in, in exchange for using their field to film some of the scenes in the movie. They weren't need as SWD was 3 times the size of CAU back then.
I love how NC A&T is the most prominent drumline in this video… it’s my dream school… i love it!!!
Thank you for educating us. Our history is rich, and we need to recognize the contributions of such greats as William P. Foster of the Florida A&M University Marching 100. The lack of respect for culture and history is so detrimental to who we are as Black people in America. Thank you for bringing that respect for history in HBCU Band culture to light. It is desperately needed for these young people and generations to come.
I was on the band for over 6 years loved the movie drumline I loved the truth fighting to be heard when your slice of the pie is the smallest
My father was in a marching band in his high school (he played trumpet) and my highschool classmate was also in a marching band in university (we went to the same university, he played tenor drums I think 🤔). This video helps me appreciate marching bands (and especially HBCU drumline) even more 😄
Atlanta A&T wasn’t strictly SWD students. There were also members from FAMU, MBC, CAU & I believe some Morehouse members as well.
I was in 2nd Grade when Drumline came out. Drumline will be 20 years old this year. It inspired me to become a musician and as soon as I got the opportunity I got in band in school
Very cool documentary! My background is rooted in corps-style marching percussion and it was great to hear the history behind show-style percussion. It’s definitely different from what I’m used to, but I appreciate it as an art form for what it is, and look forward to seeing more show-style drumlines in the future!
As a drummer who was in a Corp, high school drum line and college I loved this movie 🎬
Me as a black man I grew up in the Corps style drumming so DCI/corps Boston Crusaders the Madison scouts the blue Devils the Carolina crowns I grew up in corps DCI Drumline so to hear about HBCU and how they have affect on Marching band and music as a whole is really amazing me and it gets me excited because not only as me as a black man and I mostly like my style what I usually play But to also look at it on the other side of marching band it feel really good to know that Black people have a place in marching band. so when I hear that one side is better than the other I just completely disagree because both sides are amazing both DCI/corps style and HBCU/show style At the end of the day both styles make great music and we both put on a great shows for the audience 😁👍🏾✊🏾
When was the last time you saw mdfs, brooklyn united, or tw andrews?
@@dereckallen1856 3 years ago
Thanks so much for doing this one, LA! Can't imagine life without these wonderful influences, especially in music!
I remember the first time seeing drumline, I fell in love. I didn't think I'd become such a big band head 🤣 I would never change that because it's who I am
That was amazing! I am always in awe with how tight and polished the bands are, especially with so many types of performance included. They make me want to get up and dance!
Always glad to see HBCUs featured! Especially since I am a graduate of Cheyney University! #1837
Thank you so much for creating this, giving space to this, everything…thank you!
Great video! Retired (20 years) Navy Musician.
Loved this episode. Drumline just raises your energy levels.
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Enjoyed this .. do more of these! So thoroughly done
I love this channel. I really hope you keep making more content.
Wonderfully insightful and beautifully written episode. Thank you!
What an excellent segment!
THANK YOU for this! Might be a surprise to some of y'all but so many people have no idea about this incredible part of our musical history and current landscape. Very inspiring presentation y'all
I played in drumlines and drum corps in middle and highschool ...I learned a lot of history from this video....thank you very much!
Many appreciated our outstanding percussion section of my Historical Black High School band...1968 to 1971.....Sounds (incorporated from and influenced by) local HBCUs, Military, Individual Creativity, and Congo Square....
Thank you for filling in some info. I've been part of the drumline world for for 40 years and it is hard to get good information on the history of our craft, especially if you aren't part of the HBCU world. Very cool.
I spent 8 years in the marching band (middle school and high school), so I identified with this movie. Alot of hollywood, but, man, I love the bands! Great movie.
More of this, please! I work at a high school in Cincinnati, and we are trying to get the band off the ground. This is incredibly inspiring! Thank you!
Morris Brown College Marching Wolverines 💜🖤
Soundfield again with the great content.
As someone who is very involved with what I think you call corps style percussion, I really loved getting this different perspective about this very different style and learning a lot more about it. Both styles are amazing and I think there is a lot for us corps players to learn from show style.
Drumline is a very cool movie, and the HBCU tradition is real! That said, as a percussionist, the top half dozen lines in DCI are the sharp end of the spear for execution in an uber competitive environment.
amazing. hoping for an episode on Go-Go!
I didn't see drum line at the theater when it came out but they used to show it a lot on BET a couple of years ago.
Very insightful video. Was a percussionist and am now a DJ. Miss being on the line sometimes and this video brought back some nostalgia.
So...With that said, I marched with the 28th Precinct PAL Manhattanaires from Harlem NYC (all Black) in the Drum and Bugle Circut in the 60's and the Drumline a was and is the the feature.....in NY Metro, Jersey included, there were al least 5 Black Junior and Senior Corps competing...
Live version of ‘Sign o the Times’ (1987) has a great drum section at the end!
In my school drumline we watch this movie every year
I was in college when Drumline came out. Until now I knew nothing about it other than a couple of guys in my fraternity played drums in the school's marching band so someone photoshopped their faces onto the poster for the movie. Now I want to go actually watch the movie.
I understand that because of the specific context of this series it wouldn't feel right to dig into this, but I think it's important to bring this up. I'm pretty sure that the DCI world and the HBCU band world barely interact despite having a fair amount in common. Yes, the show style is different than the corps style, but the players in both groups could likely succeed in each category with work. I think there's less homogeneity in show style non-HBCU marching bands, but they're still fairly separate from the HBCU band world. Like other aspects of the US, it's weird and strange that the black portion of marching music is separate and from the larger scene.
True. Part of my love of the movie Drumline is how it reminds me of the intensity of my time in a DCI corps. I think it would be easier for a HBCU band member to march corps style than the other way around. Growing up near New Orleans, I know it is often harder for someone who is habitually on the beat to adjust to the syncopation than the other way around. Very possible to do, though.
I get the impression that nowadays HBCU's have their own thing going on and don't really want outside influence. As someone who has grown up in black communities... Sure, there are plenty of open-minded individuals, but there's a lot of people who turn up the nose at things that are different as well (a universally human trait). Don't want outsiders influencing their stuff, or judgment from people who just don't get it (eg. all of the DCI folks who saw this movie and said "What is this? Drumline is nothing like this and wow the drums are tuned so low and so dirty and the beats are so basic, this is so unrealistic, let's redub over it with GOOD drumming 👃 " ).
Lately I've seen some old heads on HBCU drumline message boards talking about how they dislike the way HBCU drumlines have started incorporating more technical chops into their cadences, because they feel like they're trying to be like DCI lines and somehow losing the groove and what-not... I personally think it strikes a great balance between impressive rhythms and killer groove, though. But anyway...
Idk, sometimes people just want to be seperate from other people who are doing something similar but different. USUALLY though, that is the result of a history of being excluded, segregated, and treated badly in the first place.
I can actually attest to the intensity that both groups bring. I marched at Virginia State University for 3 years (due to Covid canceling my Junior year) and The Cadets Drum and Bugle Corps during the 2021 DCI shortened season. Though I did brass (tuba specifically), everyone pulls their weight. And in actuality, DCI (especially my corps) wanted to incorporate HBCU students to the programs.
This is the best PBS music content
Would you guys at @soundfield please do a video on James Reese Europe’s life story??
It’s an amazing read and I’d love to see it in video/educational format with the production value of this channel!! ❤️
7 grade me and the band homies went to see drumline in theaters for my bday. We hit 90s and jooked all through that mug. Lol
@1:54 Francis Johnson a Free Person of Color with crossover appeal between black and white audiences with some jealousy and competition for audiences. (He played at Buckingham Palace circa 1837)
His music and band was influential even after his death in 1844. His band lasted until after the War of Northern Aggression/ Civil War
Doing a HBCU Tour on my motorcycle (89 schools so far) love seeing this.
Question. Did beyoncé use different schools for her concert in 2018?
Which HBCU Bands was in that movie and Jackson State should have been in that would have been sooo Dope
They used atlanta bands and in the final part they used the bands that were actually in the competition that was held
Can you do a show on the bo diddley beat? I was fascinated when i learned that one of my favourite songs used that beat... I thought the DRUMMER and the band had created that beat --- and I thought they were brilliant for creating such a groovy beat -- but than I learned they just used an existing beat.... then I learned a lot of bands did the same!
I grew up in Daytona beach one block from bcc/bcu an could could here them pratice fell in love with Hbcu once my sister became a 14k girl in the 80’s
A lot of southern rappers specifically South Florida use sousaphones and snare drums on their tracks
The 32nd division in World War II the red arrows spent the longest in combat and suffered the highest casualty rate in combat this unit was in the Pacific theater of operations. 654 days in combat
Also the strap relieves stress off your back. I use to play bass drum in high school and those front basses gave he'll on my back
they are the true superheros i would watch and be so moved by them.
Please, please, please produce an episode on D’Angelo and his impact on the Neo-Soul genre 🙏🏾
i grew up and was the frist hispanic drummajor in my high school and went o MBC
I’m a big fan of Drumline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's a Tuba thang Shawty! I LOVE that LINE!!
I was at the taping of Drum Line
let's goooo, this is gonna be so damn good!
Sometimes I miss being in drumline, but I don’t miss hauling my giant bass drum
Look at us!! Black excellence is a given ✊🏾 🖤
I love hbcu culture as a whole
There is no drum line without black culture.
I love your hat
Let's goooooo, drumline time
edit: Not the drumline I was thinking of but still cool!
You have shown NCATSU (Aggie Pride) so many times in your video but not mention us. It is disrespectful...
Remind me of baterias from Samba Schools or Batucada
That is fine that A&T was used For this but the real deal is that the movie DL was created in the mind of SU AND GSU (The Bayou classics) This movie had nothing to do with any ATL HBCUs or A&T. The late Dr Griggs from SU wanted to come up with the idea to raise money for band uniforms for SU , the Gram also tagged along with it and that is why the Bayou C BOTB is so big today. The maker of Drum line got the idea from SU and the Gram. SU and the Gram were supposed to be featured in the movie but something happened where they could not come to terms about something.
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👍🏽😅👍🏽Amazing !!! The “YT Algorithms” are featuring Percussion 🥁 today. There’s a * retired * “USMC Commandant’s Own “ musician percussionist whose YT channel reviewed the Drumline Movie, too.
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I love Drumline!
Wild that Missy Elliot wasn't mentioned
john f Kenndy Paterson new jersey marching band here in new jersey
Livingstone!!!
I remember seeing Drumline as a marching band kid in high-school, and hating it. At the time I was completely ignorant to the different styles of marching band, and just assumed that the corps still my (surprise surprise very white) high-school practiced was the only "proper" way to march. I grew out of that eventually, and it's really interesting to learn some more about how HBCUs do things. Very cool stuff. Shame I wasn't quite so open minded as a kid.
This is nice, but the title is misleading. This has little to do with "the story behind the music of Drumline".
You would have to interview Don Roberts, Demetrius Hubert, Keith Sailer, and Richard Key.
is L.A. Buckner's outfits getting cooler an intentional choice or just coincidence? Anyways, this episode was really interesting when I wasn't distracted by the outfit game
This movie is goated.
I understand eyeopner
But they still don't have pits. 😞
Hubba, Doc!
my middle school drum teacher was the guy that taught nick cannon for the movie
I'm not a grad, but my boss is, so I want to throw this out there... AGGIE PRIDE
I have read somewhere that Dr. Foster, at FAMU, implemented like 34(?) innovations that are still used by marching bands today, but I can't find any information on what they are. Does anyone know what they are?
Hey bro I was a member of the Marching 100 at FAMU and I can share with you some information about the techniques that Dr.Foster incorporated including other band programs. At FAMU, Foster began redefining band pageantry with a showy style-rapid tempos, high-stepping, dancing, etc., which was eschewed by some band directors who continued to cling to more staid military tradition and its emphasis on correct carriage and marching precision.
Foster has been credited with developing at least 30 new marching band techniques, including the double-time marching step of 240 steps per minute or four steps per second, and the triple-time marching step of 360 steps per minute, the death-slow cadence of 20 steps per minute or one step every three seconds, and memorization of all music played in stands, parades, pre-game and halftime shows
Not only that Dr.Foster also introduced concert band formation block to showcase playing ballads, marches and other technical/ complex musical pieces for the audience. He also introduced 5th qtrs where after the game was over there would be people still be in the stands wanting to hear more music. Whatever was left in our book (List of songs) that we know we'll play it for the crowd. Later other bands began catching on to that idea and it slowly became a battle in the end!
If you want to learn other additional information on how Dr.Foster created halftime shows including other techniques look up a book that he wrote called Band Pageantry, considered "The Bible" for the marching band. Lastly get a copy of his autobiography called The man behind the Baton which talks about humble beginnings to his later life. Hopefully I was able to assist you, if you have any questions feel free to ask!
@@ebbymoore1992 Oh Wow! Thank you very much! I appreciate the information.
@@ebbymoore1992 You definitely were. Thank you so much!!
I was in the MC DONALDS ALL AMERICAN HIGH SCHOOL BAND in 1978…DR FOSTER was our director for the MACY*S THANKSGIVING DAY PARADE….he was the executive director of the program for over 20 years….he put together 2 different bands….one for Macys and another for THE ROSE BOWL IN PASADENA!! We were given music that was current contemporary that FAMU performed….and the PURPLE MARCH…which showed off our technical skills of playing a traditional March….Doc Foster treated all 150 and understudies as a family for a week…back then 2 kids were selected from the 50 states…PR and Guam…plus American territory….I tried out twice and got in as a alternate… I had marched this parade with my HS Band the year before…..crazy!! It seems a lot of people didn’t know Doc Foster had a side business as a composer and executive with McDonalds for a long time
FAMU M100
Aggie Pride!!!
It would have been nice to see bands and drumlines displayed in this feature who actually originated the material. NC A&T stole a lot of what they do from other bands, notably Prairie View. Next time, feature the originators like FAMU, Jackson State, Southern, Grambling and/or Tennessee State.
THIS!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Especially Norfolk State University's Million Dollar Funk Squad who's widely known for incorporating korp style drums, and rhythmic koncepts along with using the 13 essential rediments into the high- stepping (showstyle) tradition.
HBCU Marching Band Music should be considered a Pan-African/African-American musical genre next to Jazz, Soul and Gospel.