Trea Turner called out on interference, a breakdown
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MLB Network did another video on the rule. Like Jomboy said, it's a judgement call, and when you look at the rule, you DO have to get into the running lane, the home plate ump saw he didn't do that, he called him out. The rule is definitely screwed up and REALLY needs to be changed but as the rule reads right now, that's obstruction, the ump didn't have to call it, but he did, and it didn't go against anything the rule book says.
perfectly put.
@@JomboyMedia fuck sam holbrook
Great way to sum it all up. Bottom line - stupid rule the way it is written and needs to be changed!
Upswing Baseball not obstruction
The issue is...now will this be the precedent? If so, then the rule needs to change otherwise every ump from now on has to rule this way especially for consistency within the series itself
Umps just trying to be NFL refs for halloween
💀💀💀
Try the NHL, far worse.
@@Mr.Pants45 For real
Umps are way worse. There’s no competition
Oh, that's scary.
World Series means a ton of jomboy videos. But it also means we’re about to lose baseball recaps for months
After today, that'll be it for baseball breakdowns... except for the throwback ones he was talking about doing
@@UpswingBaseball yup will never see jomboy do another new breakdown again /s
Lobby for "Classics Breakdowns"!!! Pretty sure he is taking submissions :D
I hope my Stros win tonight so I don't have to be depressed but I do look forward to classic breakdowns like Clemens throwing the bat at Piazza among others.
Off-season throwbacks please. Jomboy make it happen!
I love how after his next at bat when he gets on base, he looks to the ump and asks "im good, right?"
I noticed that too. I thought Jom was going to put that little clip in lol
Umps sucked this series, nothing more/less
NolaVerse TV one pitch it’s a ball and the next time it’s a strike? Clear strikes for the Nats have literally been called fucking balls. This is some terrible umpires work.
Umpiring is the only profession where you’re in your prime in your mid 60’s!
derrick. it was the right call, interference by running inside the foul line. nothing more/less.
This call was horrid. And the umps have been TERRIBLE in favor of the Astros the entire playoffs. Go watch some of the home plate stuff from the Yankees series if you doubt it.
@NolaVerse TV Lol but in 2013 that was definitely the right call
2019 has been a terrible year for refereeing in all sports
I think the umps and refs were always terrible, we just keep getting a better and better view of how bad they are
The strike zone has been non-existent for years. It just that the ridiculous rule enforced in a World Series game is what brought all to light.
Brutal NHL playoffs
It truly has ngl
Hmm....I wonder why?
Oh that's right in 2018 they lifted the ban on sports betting. Sports are rigged and always have been. Remember that even though it's entertainment it's still a business and businesses are in it for profits. The more fans the more profits. Now you are seeing the effects of it though because they have to force situations for the outcome they are looking for. Historically home games are always won by home team. In this series the exact opposite has happened. Think about all the money Vegas and the house has made.
As a lefty hitter I never actually thought about how righties have to run like that.
As a switch hitter, I had a lot of experience from both sides. When you hit righty, you run up the line, literally on the line. It's instinct. You don't do what Trea did. Trea was a foot and a half left of the line, intentionally. He knew what he was doing.
Henry Lee you’re a putz
2A Forever witty
As a player who hits lefty, I typically run straight up the line. You’re going to run in a direct line at the bag and that’s what this guy did. If the runner isn’t allowed to run in a straight line then that’s the dumbest rule ever
@@matthewroberts6280 This guy explains it properly. ua-cam.com/video/PKI2kqTFXak/v-deo.html. You may disagree with the rule (I actually think the rule works and is good). Trea actually did run in a straight line, but it was not from the batters box to the base. It was straight up the inside of the line, intentionally, with one step to his right as his last step.
Is it just me or doesn’t this happens every game they just don’t call it
Every game? Every runner runs that line
it's just you. good call.
Yeah the only reason it got called is because he knocked Gurriel's glove off
Every righty runs down the line the same it was a bad throw and bad call
@@UpswingBaseball What would they call him for otherwise? The rule only applies when there is interference
absolutely true, the call was brain dead
it was the right call. interference by running on the inside of the foul line.
@@tomitstube he ran into the middle of the base, he ran straight to the base. he was called out, that is dumb
@@tomitstube Jomboy literally explained how it's a very bad call he runs to the inside of the bag then makes his way to the outside of it. Where else is he supposed to go?
@@Jon23189 It's not a bad call, it's a bad rule. He never got into the running lane. He did hit the middle of the bag but the rule says you're supposed to get into foul territory and he didn't. It doesn't make any sense and the rule needs to be changed, but it's not the umps fault.
@@tomitstube It WAS the right call, but it still doesn't make any sense and that rule is garbage
The problem is that the first baseman placed his LEFT foot on the bag, resulting in his glove being in the basepath. Possibly he did it this way to draw the interference call on Turner. Right-handed first basemen normally put their right foot on the bag so they can stretch out their glove hand to catch the ball as soon as possible.
Not to mention, he beat the throw to begin with
And no...he didn't
he did not
Not a chance if the Astros had a lefty at first.
Yely Harmony He did beat the throw. The throw hit the back of his leg on his final stride, which means he was ahead of where the ball was. If the throw was accurate, his foot would have landed on the bag before Gurriel would have squeezed it. Safe all the way.
Glenn Turner players have started to intentionally throw at the runner on first because of this rule. They even said it during the broadcast last night.
The umps acted is if it was AROD running the baseline and slapping the ball out of the glove
At the time Gurriel's glove made contact with Turner, Turner was straddling the line. In order to touch first base, with your left foot, you have to be straddling the line.
Bad rule, bad judgment, bad call. The ump rewarded the defense for making a poor throw.
I have a feeling the double base at first may turn into one of those Atlantic League experiments real soon
Yeah they'll definitely be trying that in the minors next year
Kelltron, the runner only would have to hit the outside base when he runs through first base. When rounding first base on a hit, the runner uses the inside base as he always has.
If Little Leaguers and softball players can adapt to it, I'm sure Major League ballplayers could too.
MLB used the Atlantic League as a testing ground for an electronic strike zone (there is room for improvement), larger bases (18" square instead of 15) and the ability for the batter to try to run safely to first base on any wild pitch or passed ball, no matter the count.
If MLB wants to test something like the double base, that's where they would try it. I highly doubt MLB would change it at the Major League level without testing it somewhere (like an Independent League) first.
He was already passing the base when Gurriel got the ball so how could he even have seen where the ball was
No, he wasn't.
@@williamthom3965 looks like he was already safe to me
Bill Shamrock - The rule does not say anything about seeing the ball.
"In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside of the (to the right of) the three-foot line, or inside (to the left of) the foul line, and in the umpire's judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is dead." There is the rule. Turner was to the left of the foul line. He interfered and was called out correctly. It's just a bad rule, and on broadcast they said pitchers are taught to throw the ball at the runner to get this call. That's just a bad rule. Also he made contact with Gurriel's glove before touching the base, so yes it is interference. Just a bad rule though.
@@GH-oi2jf im not talking about rules im saying the glove hit him in the backside of his body so he was already safe
Nailed it on the wrap-up. No way anybody could say he went out of his way to interfere with the throw. He took damn near a dead straight line from the box to the bag.
Trea Turner runs faster in slow motion than I do in real time.
Yeah these umps have been inconsistent for both teams on field and at plate for sure
Your opinion that the umpires have been inconsistent the entire series has absolutely NOTHING to do with this specific call, which was the correct call.....(smh).
And the umpires haven’t been inconsistent they’ve been averaging about 96% on b/s percentage which is above league average.
Jeremy Okuly Says who? When I look at the screen with my own eyes and I see a BALL being thrown outside of the strike zone I expect to hear BALL. Not some bullshit strike. These old men umps cannot see and they need to be ruled out completely, we have and use the technology to track every play. You see the errors made time and time again.
It’s not a judgement call. It’s in the rule book(the opposite of being subjective). There are lines that designate where you have to run and he never made it inside those lines. Pause at 1:57, as he is running through first not one part of his body is inside those lines. That interfered with the first baseman catching the ball.
But why is Gurriel stretching with the wrong foot though? 😂
i was gonna say the same thing
He's squaring up to where the throw is coming from
That's the perfect position when the ball is near the catcher's area.
He plays first base for a professional baseball team. Why dont you ask yourself if you might be wrong before making a statement.
DaGatrz Stuff Haha thanks for defending me dawg 😂 I’ve played every infield position when I played in high school except for first base, so I never realized that it would be better to square up (like Gurriel did) to catch a ball from that direction. Now I know!
Rule in question: 6.05 (k).
> In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of) the three-foot line, or inside (to the left of) the foul line, and in the umpire's judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is dead; except that he may run outside (to the right of) the three foot line or inside (to the left of) the foul line to avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball; Rule 6.05(k) Comment: The lines marking the three-foot lane are a part of that lane and a batter- runner is required to have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the three-foot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base.
Your the best
Just realized that Jomboy has one more game left to breakdown this season before we gotta wait for baseball again until the spring :(
As a Nats fan, I was fuming after this. The umps have literally messed up on a catastrophic level on three separate occasions in the *World Series*
Kelltron ball don’t lie
Kelltron guy was pumped, you could see it on his goatee’d face
David Riedy he didn’t not call it a strike because he started to run off the field it was because he left so early that the ump wasn’t able to track the pitch all the way to the glove it wasn’t a no call out of spite it was a no call because he didn’t have the information to make the call
Except this call was the right call. I get why you would be pissed, but the bad calls have been both ways the entire series. Brantley struck out on a pitch way outside the zone (just like robles in game 5), right before Bregman hit his solo homerun. Multiple check swings by the Nats where the clearly went around, said they didn't go around. It's been bad both ways especially in the strike zone. Since you['re a Nats fan you only noticed the ones against the Nats. I'm an Astros fan, so I remember the bad calls for us, but I at least know its been awful both sides. In terms of this call against Turner it is the correct call.
"In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside of the (to the right of) the three-foot line, or inside (to the left of) the foul line, and in the umpire's judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is dead." There is the rule. Turner was to the left of the foul line. He interfered and was called out correctly. I don't agree with the rule because it is awful, but it is the right call.
Theres a reason why the running lane line is there. If you allowed all runners to run down inside the fair line, you could bunt all day long and just get ready to block the incoming throw with your body. It's no different then a pop fly on the first base line, the runner must give way to the defense to make the play.
My favorite part is where everyone knows all the rules now.
The clucking assassin 😂
You don't have to memorize every rule to know when something is fucked up...
@@jkc3ny fucked up by the baserunner running on the grass?
Why was gurriel standing on the base with his left foot and not his right? Wouldn’t he have been able to extend more the other way??????
He was like 3 feet inside the line I don’t see a problem with this call
exactly, he did it on purpose, period.
Good call
This feels like the MLB version of the tuck rule.
He never took a step out of fair territory, not one step in foul territory at all. How can you say he didn't interfere with action in fair territory, while he was in it the entire play?
@Jeremy Askins You Win!!
Good analysis. Some crazy frickin' umpiring going down this whole series.
This is baseball’s version of the tuck rule. You thumb your way deep into the rule book at one of the most critical times to cast doubt-not only on your own performance, but on the legitimacy of the game. Thank you, Mr. Rendon for making this less of a story line of what was a pretty damn good game.
Dublin O’Seven - this is not an obscure rule. It’s pretty basic.
I wonder how many times this was called during the season...
Multiple times
I saw it called quite a few times, but I wasn't counting. This is not a new rule, and Turner KNEW he was dead wrong. Like many, many of the rules of baseball, it has a root in safety and to curtail the kind of bad sportsmanship that can give the sport a black eye.
@@kentfletcher8539 you sir are dumber than rocks.
This is, once again, THE CORRECT TAKE. Thank you sir Jomboy. Many thanks. To you.
They should probably add 2 bases for first base to avoid this again lmao 😂
Like the orange bag in lower levels of little league
Wanna know something hilarious I thought of? The Astros had a similar play to this against the Yankees on opening day 3 years ago when Correa wasn't called out for interference yet he was in Betances' way of trying to make the throw to first and it led to a 3 run inning. If that never happened, that game would've at worst been tied with Didi's home run in the bottom half of that inning. MLB stay helping out the Astros
Umps have been pretty rough this whole series. Hopefully a clean game 7. They are seemingly so inconsistent with their strikezone it has to be infuriating for batters.
In game 1 Alan Porter scores at 98.2% behind the plate
Game 2 Doug Eddings 93.9%
Game 3 Gary Cederstorm 95.9%
Game 4 James Hoye 95.7%
Game 5 Lance Barksdale 95.8%
Game 6 Sam Holbrook 96.2%
Game 7 Jim Wolf 95.5%
Those are some dang good percentages for guys who’ve been inconsistent with their zones all serious
Ok Jomboy, but what is the fielder to do? It's a no-win proposition: as much as the runner has a right to the bag, the fielder has a right to the ball. That's why we have a runner's lane! It's to protect the runner and the fielder from both injury and interference.
But if the throw was even half way decent Turners running line would be completely irrelevant to the play. This is like calling a guy out because the shortstop airmailed a throw the first base man jumps for and he and the runner collide. You shouldn’t get rewarded for making a shitty throw when you have the entire left side of the field to work with. If Gurriel’s glove doesn’t come off there’s no way interference gets called there
Even if Yuli Gurriel was leaning in the runner's lane from the very beginning? The pitcher had the opportunity to make a good throw but whiffed it. That's a proper judgment call
Anyone who ever played baseball in their life know the way Turner ran was the way every eight (e meant right) hander runs. This call was savage.
Most people are two handers though, that's why this is so hard to relate to.
Eight hands. Wow....
@Mr. POPO 4 or 7 gloves?
I’ve even seen some runners who are completely on the infield grass when running to first and recorrect hard at the end so yeah
lol all I meant right hander, damn autocorrect 😁
Jomboy, you are exactly right. This call was freakin' ridiculous.
No hes not
I enjoy your videos so much literally every game my boyfriend and I watch we are pointing out all the good content Jomboy could use.... We even try to predict what you would say lol
Omg me and my girlfriend do the same lol 😅
@@LazyCrazyGuy we are all just examples of relationship goals is all 😉😂😂
Plot twist: you two are each other’s bf and gf and are trying to make a comment chain.
Joke. Or is it....?
@@professortree9387 😂😂😂😂 lol nope but that's a good one...
@@professortree9387 hahaha I could see how that could be a clever skit but no we don't know each other.
Or do we? Lol jk we really don't know each other but my girlfriend and I are always pretending we are jomboy when watching games and we see something that he could make a clip of.
I don't see the nationals winning with greinke pitching tonight but I didn't check who's starting for the nationals
Gurriel had terrible positioning at 1B to setup that whole interference play. If he’s set to the outside of the bag like he should’ve been, Turner is very likely safe. Torre backing the umpire after the game was ridiculous. That was a terrible call and Torre is just trying to save face.
It’s May 2020 and I’m still pissed about this call and all the people who said it was a good call
Right? Like why hasn't it been fucking addressed?!
It was a good call. He was out. Batters are taught to run outside the line *** or straight to the bag which he didn’t. I would be more understanding if the batter wasn’t touching grass while running. He knew what he was doing.
michael whatley Insane position to take considering that he made a straight line what with first base being in fair territory. It’s a dumb call because it’s based on a dumb rule.
Past Analysis of he wouldn’t have touched grass while running, I’d be with you.
Past Analysis just like when bunting down first baseline. You run directly down the line to intentionally block the catchers throw. That’s why the first baseman has to pick a side, inside or outside. But if you’re on grass, that’s a different conversation.
Something I'd like to point out, Yuli's positioning to receive the ball. Because of the slow dribbler in the infield in front of home plate, Yuli positioned himself so his body is facing the play so he can better see. Normally, on a regular grounder to an infielder, his back would be turned away from home plate for better reach. But, with how the play transpired, his positioning now has his mitt closer to the bag, which makes the throw closer to the bag, resulting in his mitt getting knocked down.
Basically, everything went "right" for this to happen. Under most other circumstances, this would never happen. But, this happened to be that one time, and so happened to be in the World Series. The judgement call is "correct" here, stated by the rules. But, it was just an unfortunate set of events that all worked together to cause this.
In that case wouldn’t it mean that the first baseman HAS to make that catch INSIDE a of the inside edge of the base? Because anything outside of that edge would be interfering with the runner’s path to first base?
The ruling wasn't the Turner went out of his way to interfere with the throw. It was that he wasn't in the running lane and interfered with the throw.
Jomboy is saying that it's the umpires judgement and no one can say he had to make the call.
Using the same logic. It's a judgement call you can't say he shouldn't have made the call.
If it's a bad rule then call it a bad rule. But it's a perfectly reasonable call given that the rule exists.
Here's the rule by the way.
Rule 5.09 (a)(11) Comment (Rule 6.05(k) Comment): The lines marking the three-foot lane are a part of that lane and a batter-runner is required to have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the three-foot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base.
@ Scudd P. Totally logical answer. Jumboy says "every right-hand batter runs to first exactly how Turner ran" which is false. Turner was running on the turf in an attempt to reduce the space available for the throw. Whether it was on purpose or not, the ump ruled willful obstruction. The ump did and will always make the same call given the facts.
@@syberawa7429 finally!!! Someone that reads and understands the rule!!!
To me the most interesting thing about this situation is: Why does Gurriel plant his left foot on first base? A righty first baseman would plant his right foot on the base and stride with his left foot. Could have caught the ball probably 3-5 foot out in front and Turner would never have come close to his glove.
A guy who plays first as a professional should know this - unless Gurriel wanted to provoke an interference call.
By running to the left of the foul line the runner intentionally interferes with the fielding play. The runner is out, but it is entirely a judgment call of the umpire. I think the umpire made the right call! The runner interfered by not being in the running lane. The runner is out! And the Nats still won!
Damn right! I'm so glad this was your take. I saw way too many get on a high horse about "blah blah blah entitled to a lane he never entered blah blah exited the lane blah whatever the fuck" like they wrote the goddamn rule themselves and know exactly when it applies and when it doesn't.
I didn’t right the rule, if the ball hits you on a good throw and you never entered the running lane, that’s RLI almost every time
That lane (which only involves the last 45') was designed a gazillion years ago for this very context. Correct call. The runner gained an advantage against the only option for the defense.
Makes me wonder what people think that lane is for
What fucking option for the defense? Gurriel has no idea how to play first and lined up completely wrong to field the ball, and the throw from Verlander missed by at least 3 feet.
@@Kickassgamingable You're such a great FAN.
Luke Nicholas throw from Verlander??? Did you watch the game lol. It was peacock
Are we not gonna talk about how the first baseball had the wrong foot on the bag
@John Connolly oh I didn't know that
I usually agree with you but on this one I have to disagree. Turner should have at least been on the line. That lane is there because of this exact issue.
You should show Astros players running the same way
I would love to see some other examples of this rule being applied correctly. I know Joe Buck was getting his tightie-whities in a wad over it, and we had 5 minutes of dead time watching Trea Turner lose his shit in the dugout, but no one could cut to an example of what it is supposed to look like. We just get Joe Buck bitching because he has to fill five minutes of air time, and we have Smoltz's who seems sometimes to be watching a different game. Expert pitching analysis at times, but rarely anything else. Also, I would love to see a consistent strike zone in this series. How can this be the best of the best?
Here's one obvious example ua-cam.com/video/lxPNcrvR46Q/v-deo.html
Here's a similar play from 2015
ua-cam.com/video/nCXaKfBgbYk/v-deo.html
Well, Joe Buck doesn't always have the best moments: ua-cam.com/video/9uoACQyN_mM/v-deo.html
Samuel Zumwalt - I’ve never liked Joe Buck. I want to know what Joe Garagiola thinks.
@@HookersForJesus that's not running lane interference, that's intentional interference with a fielder in the act of making a play. different rule
There has to be a rule preventing the runner from blocking the throw. I hear everyone saying it's a bad rule but i don't hear anyone saying what the rule should be.
Runner has to be in the running lane. Period. Thats what that second line parallel to the base line. Been taught all the way since LL
I played baseball through high school and we never even had a second line on the field, plus like jomboy said the bag is on the inside of the line so the runner is supposed to go from inside to outside to back inside???? That's ridiculous
You sat bench on your AA highschool jv team
Yall must have played ball up north
That runners line must be there for no reason i guess
@@slappydude22 I might be mistaken about the line actually, but my main point was the base being inside the line
What pisses me off is nobody talks about what a poor job Gurriel did on setting up to catch the ball. Who tf tries and catch it like that. He should've set up up in the front corner with his right foot,not left and then he probably wouldve caught it. Just an all around stupid call
You think you know better than a major league first baseman?
"If your judgment is that Trea Turner went out of his way to interfere with that throw...then you are a garbage person."
That should've been the real end to that line.
Your right it is a judgement call, he doesn't have to make that call, but he had was every right to . In regards to running down the line. The outside line starts 45 feet from 1st, and it is literally there to let the batter know you have 45 feet to get in that path.
Imagine having a megaphone this loud and using it to be wrong.
Thanks for the breakdown of the breakdown. Great umpire discussion video.
Umpires making some extra cash for this offseason??
That's true.
Incredible the Nats were able to overcome all the bad calls against them. A lot of teams would've folded
The only people who dislike this video are the umpires who are getting roasted rn
Cullen Smolcha - Umpires don’t care about being roasted. It’s in their job description.
No, people who don't like it when people can't even grasp basic rules of sports, basic english grammar and basic common sense don't like it either.
There are 3 umps in that shot. How did all 3 of them mess that up?
Really? How about...they didn’t?
Being such a good fielder, it wouldn’t surprise me if Gurriel purposely stretched with the wrong foot to get the interference call.
This. they teach you in this situation to throw at the runner to get this call
How is no one mentioning that the first baseman using the wrong position which makes his glove come over the bag as he reaches??? Needs his feet switched, glove side should be stretching, not on the bag... Does no one else notice this??
Regardless of whether you feel this is a good rule or a bad rule, the ump enforced it correctly. He called it correctly in real time, and it was upheld after a lengthy review. They can’t change a rule during a game, but hopefully it will be discussed this offseason.
Even Gurriel ran after the ball thinking it was a bad throw. Any first baseman that thought he was interfered with, would have blown up and made it known. Gurriel did not blow up and thought the ball was still in play.
Hey Jomboy. Love your versions awesome. ?...what does the rule book state? I coached high school ball, the HS rule read that the runner has to run on foul side of the line, between the lines.
True - and yet the bag is in fair territory...
I was always taught that he's allowed to be there up until the 45 foot line (unless the ball is being fielded in the area) but once you get there you have to be inside that lane. If you pause it at the end right as the fielder has thrown it to 1st, they made a judgement call, that his entire body was outside (to the left of) that area, in which caused the fielder to not make the out...
Rule 6.05 (k) Running Lane
In running the **last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of) the three-foot line, or inside (to the left of) the foul line, and in the umpire's judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base**, in which case the ball is dead; except that he may run outside (to the right of) the three foot line or inside (to the left of) the foul line to avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball;
Rule 6.05(k) Comment: The lines marking the three-foot lane are a part of that lane and a **batter- runner is required to have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the three-foot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base.**
Great insight bro! You're a 1000% correct!
Yuriel had the wrong foot on the bag. If he has his right foot on the bag, there's no collision and he can catch the ball further away.
leeapoth in that situation the first basemen should have their left foot on the bag because they would have to reach across their body if they had their right foot on the bag
Royale With Jack exactly.
Wrong. If he had his right foot on the bag, he would literally have his back to the throw.
Frank Carlone such a vacuous comment. You clearly don’t understand the position at all. If you watch the video again and pay attention you’ll notice he had already set up in a stride position. Hence he had no other option but to make the catch there based on a position he set himself in prior to the the throw.
Why did he do that? Because pitchers are taught to throw at the runners path to cause interference.
If the 1st baseman had his right foot on the corner of the bag and waited till the throw was on its way then took a stride to catch his back most certainly would of not been to the play. He would of been facing it head on.
You’re wrong in this case anyone that has played at a D1 level or higher or had a decent high school coach knows this.
@@dblankenship88 You don't have to play D1 ball to know that a right handed first baseman is not going to put his right foot on the base when the throw is coming from near the home plate area.
Hey jomboy, I’d love it if you could do breakdowns of trades, and player signings during the off season, it would also give us fans something baseball related to watch on your channel
Honestly just glad it didn’t decide the game. I hate when the umps make themselves a topic.
Ghost Array - The umps almost never make themselves the topic. Others do that.
Umpires screw up royally
Joe Torre: Hold my beer!
They didnt screw up
If that's interference, running right over the bag, then runners shouldn't be running
Rule states you have to run in the running lane for the last half of your run. Specifically the last *half*.
BUT the same rule states the umpire must rule it to be **intentional**.
It's not where he landed on the bag, it's the fact that he didn't run in the lane at all before he got to the bag
According to the rule, the interference is not for running over the bag is for interfering with the fielder.
Upswing Baseball that's not how Joe Torre explained it, but you must know more than him since you're replying to every comment on here LOL
@@shawnymac6870 I'm just going off of what they talked about in the MLB Network video, I just watched Joe Torre explain it and he says it a little different than what MLB Network said, but they're still basically the same thing.
You should do a side by side with the call last night.
so if the baserunner is "out of line" and interfere with the defender, it's interference. but if the defender is in the baseline and defender obstructs the base lane, it's obstruction. it's like fencing, who has the "right of way" and followed the "rules of engagement"
personally, the base runner didn't go out of their way to interfere with the play, they were running down the baseline. the defender placed his glove in the path of the runner (due to a "bad throw from across the field?) doesn't mean the runner has to yield his movement to the defender.
What you're forgetting is that Turner is not in the runner's lane like he's supposed to be. If he had, there probably would have been no call.
Agreed Jomboy!... I wrote a whole long comment in response to someone else on your video that I now can't find!... but i agree!
I was taught in little league that as 1b you stick you glove out. Towards the direction the ball is coming from. He didnt have to make a tag so his glove shouldn't have been that close to the path.
I mean, you're kind of right, but that's stupid reasoning. What if the throw isn't perfect, and it forces you into the baseline to catch it?
If the 1B had his right foot on the bag as opposed to his left, it would have been fine. He would have been much more prepared and able to 'stretch' and catch that ball. So, poor fundamentals, yes, but it was more about the footwork. At no point was he trying to place a tag on him. He was just trying to catch the ball, and that shifted him into the basepath
@@colejames423 Literally no one teaches that technique on a slow roller because its WRONG!
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Incorrect analysis. The rule clearly states that the runner must be well thin the 3’ lane.
By the time he was on final-approach to the base, he was running at it dead-center and was in full, and logical, compliance with the seldom-thought of "rule." The pitcher made a "questionable" throw to the base which, probably, put the entire play on a path to failure. the stars, he sun, and the moon just didn't line-up at that moment....but, it was not the batter's fault.
The ump knew he blew it as soon as he called it. I still don’t get why it took them 10 minutes to review to decide it was a judgement call that’s not reviewable.
10 minutes ... to come up with that judgement of it’s a judgement call we can’t review.
Think about that.
It's even more ridiculous than that. They were reviewing whether the Nationals were allowed to protest that play. Baseball replay that literally has more to do with what a book says than what happened on the field. You were right though. This ump knew within seconds that he fucked up, but because of these dumbass rules nothing can be done about it. I'm sorry, but judgement calls such as these need to be replayable.
Past Analysis it reminds me of the current replay rule implemented in the NFL for pass interference. Which seemingly are never over turned.
It’s like the replay centers do everything thing they can to not make the official look bad via overturning a call with a “mob mentality” of getting each other’s back.
It’s like they are just going through the motions to make it appear like they want to better the games so the outcome is fair, but deep down inside they want to just protect the officials/umpires in the Leagues by doing whatever they can to not make the umps/refs look bad.
@@TheOnlyRyMac Agreed.
"Its a judgment call". And that hence is the problem. If baseball, or any sport for that matter, has language in their rulesets that allow for ambiguous situations like this to happen, and for the fielding team to exploit that to get the call, that needs to be addressed. If you go by the spirit of the rule, the call is correct, but why pretell, is the runners lane in foul territory while the base is in fair territory? That's just silly.
Had they lost the game it would've been a different story.
he started left and had to go right otherwise plough into the first baseman. sound call.
Judgement calls will always piss off one side more than the other. In this particular case the runner made his way to the center of the bag prior to impact which should have deemed him safe.
Was it a bad call in my opinion? Yes. But, I’m not an MLB umpire and I’m not working the World Series.
Judgement is the problem here. There should be a definitive rule.
Assault Avocado - But there has to be judgment in any situation where it is matter of tiny differences in position or time. Here, it wasn’t even close. The runner never got into the lane.
GH1618 I agree he was in the lane prior to the catch. At the point of the catch he was in the middle of the bag.
My position on something being definitive is based on eliminating delays in the game like we saw last night taking momentum away from either team.
I understand the Umpire crew was checking to see if a protest can occur on a judgement call which is something that shouldn’t of needed to be done. The rule book is clear on that matter.
To employ the softball approach in allowing the bag to be extended into foul territory would be great for instances like this but would highly influence the game in other ways. One way it would be influenced is when balls are bunted up the right side that forces the 1st baseman off of 1st to field [in that area between the 1st baseman, the pitcher, and the second baseman] the ball and you get that play where the first baseman -- after getting the bunted ball -- has to decide to get to first base before the runner or try to tag the runner out. The runner can then dive forward and way out of the line and get to the bag more easily. While this might increase the excitability of the game, you also increase the chances of players getting injured.
To be fair, that already happens on the plays you mention...
Not like this happens every regular season game without being called out or anything...........
The rule only applies if there is interference. Runners don't collide with a fielding first baseman every gamr
beep boop boop the rule only applies when the umpires favor the other team in the World Series
Great breakdown, also why doesn’t the pitcher get blamed for not making a more accurate throw?
ApparentlyEric - Go ahead. Blame him.
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The running lane, with a few modifications, has been in place since the 1880s. One of its main functions is to protect the batter-runner from an interference call when he gets to 1st base. Had Trea Turner used the running lane, as is taught for these situations from Little League through NCAA and the Minor Leagues, there would have been no interference call to be made: he would have been protected. The "judgement" involved is whether the batter-runner was in the running lane when he was supposed to be, and *interfered* with the fielder's ability to *catch* the ball. The first part was obvious, and so was the second. Arguments to the contrary and excuses are BS. If Trea Turner, a professional, hasn't learned how to get into the running lane by now, that's his problem. Other players, of all ages, around the world, have figured it out, and don't whine about it.
Its a case of it not looking like something that turner did intentionally, it wasn't something that looked like some agregious interference. However, he chose to not use the runners lane to get to first quicker, and thus waved his interference protection. Correct call and seeing this comment section 2 years later still so lopsided against the umps makes me glad to see this comment.
It's clear the whole post season is tilted. I feel like im watching WWF and the commentators are yelling and getting the crowd hyped up from a bad call. But all the Astros NPCs are yeah go stros best team ever.
Really hate the Astro fan base. Extremely cocky and rowdy.
one reason I like Game 7 is that I get to see bit more videos from Jomboy on baseball.
Umps acting like the WS is about them smh
NB - Nope. The ump just called it the way he saw it and according to the rules. But it is traditional to blame the umps when things don’t go your way.
@@GH-oi2jf this guy is blaming the umps and this didnt affect the game at all; however, that doesn't mean that this isnt a huge problem.
@@griffin6671 the only problem here is a shit load of people getting pissed off that they don't know the rules, and the ump does.
@@GH-oi2jf Not complaining, More so addressing the issue about the umps in the world series particularlly. I understand human error and can see why umps make the calls they make. The point I was trying to get across is that they have inserted themselves into the play too much. I'm fine with blowing a call, whatever... But when you actively seek to make the game about you is mad. The guy in game 3 or 4 was horrendous.. Delaying calls to see what reaction the players had just to assert his dominance. Obviously this call on the base running is justified, but I don't agree with it. I understand why he made the choice... but moving forward I think the mlb should amend that rule.
@@counterfit5 Or maybe they know the rules too and disagree with them?
Can you use a brighter highlight to make it easier too see for future videos
The MLB rule states: “When running the last half of the way to first base while the ball is being fielded in the vicinity of first, a baserunner must stay within the three-foot runner's lane to the right of the foul line unless they are avoiding a player fielding a batted ball." Did they get the call right based off that, I mean I think so based off what the rule states, but this 100% should change without a doubt for next season. I love Schwarbers idea of putting an orange first base bag next to the white one in fair territory like in softball. I think that solves the problem right there and that should be implemented for next season so this does not happen again.
Cap i didnt see the ball being fielded in the viscinity of the baserunner but i dont watch baseball last time i played was 10 yr ago
100% totally agree
So apparently last night since the nats won it was the first time between baseball football and hockey that the away team won the first 6 games in a postseason series
basketball not football. football doesnt have series
Ok my bad
First time in the history of sports its ever happened
Umps have been bad all series, but that was interference. Ultimately, it didn’t matter anyway.
I’ve never considered running in that lane. I had a collision with a first baseman too, who blocked my path, and he wanted to fight me. everyone said he was the wrong one
You don't have to run in that lane. But if you don't you are liable to get called for interference
I think it might be all about angles, if that throw was coming from 2nd no one is really gonna notice if your running on the line or in the runners lane. If the throw is coming from the catcher or pitcher around the plate or mound, that's when it can get really messy. Which is kinda why they created the rule in the first place