So, let me get this straight: 1) The cow only produces milk because she's having a loving relationship with a human; 2) But also you have to have a loving relationship with the cow and take her milk otherwise she will be in discomfort producing milk for 20 years. How about this: what if you just stop lying and quit the bovine titty juice? Wouldn't it be better? Magical cows producing milk without being pregnant... 🤦 Good job Jack cutting through the cow excrement 💪💚
when I was in Germany 1993, I met a Haare Krishna community. they didn't eat meats, nor eggs but still drank milk. they didn't drink alcohol, not even Cocacola / Soda. but they still drink milk . that's their characters .... vegans still drink alcohol and Soda, while Haare Krishna don't ..
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vegans don't really care what you consume. If Haare Krishnas want to consume cocaine we don't have a problem with it, as long as it doesn't cause exploitation and cruelty to other sentient beings.
@@bauabh Haare Krishna community worship to Krishna, their God.. they don't eat meats and eggs according to Krishna's order .. Krishna was once seen on earth, just like Jesus which Christians believe to be son of the God. They drink milk because Krishna allows them to drink milk, Krishna himself while on earth used to drink milk. vegan activists have various religions, Christians, Hindus, Moslems, even agnostics or atheists. Their common point of view is the Love of animals. Haare Krishna still consider animals are animals, and humans are humans.. humans are not animals .. animals are something, not someone as the vegans think .. vegans consider humans are also animals, while that is not the case for Haare Krishna. animals have to be treated humanely because they are animals, not because animals and humans are equal as the vegans think. Haare Krishna don't drink Beer / alcohol not even soda, because Krishna never did that while he was on earth, while vegans still drink Cocacola, even alcohol / Beers .. so ... there isva slight difference between vegans and Haare Krishna. veganism seems to be a new religion. Animal religion ..
@@ayi3455Jesus is not some little man who lived 2000 years ago. He's The Pattern of Salvation. We're born into the crucifixion, which is our garments of flesh. Golgotha means skull.
Nice Jack,👍 He doesn't know the basic information. Cow's don't not give their milk years after years or in a loving relationship, we force them and take their milk and after some years of pregnancy they eventually got used to of that and lost their all hopes to get out of this situation.
Would you like to interview my goats? You can ask them how they feel about being milked all these years. I'm sure some of them wanted to go to law school.
CULTURE convenience and comfort are NO excuse for animal abuse. Animals like children CANNOT CONSENT. Is using a child considered love?? BACKWARDS BRAINWASHED BELIEFS.. Defending ANIMAL ABUSE is desperately disheartening and disgusting.
@jack who gave you permission for you to take fruits from a tree or kill entire potatos to eat them? This kindof logic is ridiculous. We follow what Sri Krishna has told us to do. If cows life is precious, then why not plants and trees?? Don't be a hypocrite
Great questions you asked, Jack, but he's a liar who wants to keep pretending to himself that there's some sort of "love" relationship going on with the "protected" cow. It's a lie that the baby still gets the milk too. He said "We only try and TAKE" - he means steal - when he could simply drink 19 different types of plant-based milks. Apparently he's a mind-reader that the cow wants to give humans that milk out of love. The only reason the cow keeps giving milk is because they keep sucking it out of her with painful milking machines until she's dry! If that's love, then what is hate?
You can keep your nut milk. The kids won't drink all of the milk and milking the does helps them to produce more. I don't love my goats, but I certainly don't hate them. A milking machine is more sanitary and really no different than a breast pump.
@@Carnemexada Stealing and drinking other species' milk is perverted. Shame on you. I pray you get a conscience one day and stop abusing and exploiting animals like slaves.
Wow the conditioning here is insane! He’s been brainwashed to believe the cows produce endless amounts of milk due to love! This has the dairy industry written all over it with how they manipulate people. I’d love to go and film at one of these farms Great outreach! 💪🌱
Thank you for this example of a respectful conversation on a difficult topic. While I absolutely do agree with your points, I think the Hare Krishna believer carries a lifetime of determination with him that what he does is a sign of love and respect for the cows. Maybe you have put a seed of doubt in him, maybe not. Faith is difficult to argue with. Maybe an argument could be had that if they stopped milking, the cow would stop lactating (please factually check this, but for humans this is often the case) and it would improve the cows overall health while still being able to maintain a loving relationship. Benefits all.
when I was in Germany 1993, I met a Haare Krishna community. they worship to Krishna, their God .. they don't eat meats and eggs, but they still drink milk. they don't drink alcohol, not even Cocacola / soda. vegans still drink alcohol and soda..
The lies he tells himself have nothing to do with "faith." He's been brainwashed into the Dairy Cult to think this sick, selfish, abusive behavior is all done out of altruism and love (most evil things are promoted as such). These freaks don't love the cows that they're using. If they stopped milking them they'd put them out on the streets to die. This guy's a coward, too afraid to change his worldview of all the lies he tells himself, when he could simply switch to one of 19 different plant-based options. And yes, humans just stop stealing the milk is a real good idea.
However there’s a flaw in the vegans argument. There is a difference between human mother and mother cow in regard to consent to giving milk. Obviously you will see clear signs of rejection if you try to milk a human by force / without their consent… These signs may include, verbal rejection, crying, screaming, fighting, defending etc. However, when you milk a cow that has been protected, cared and LOVED! unlike the fearful, traumatised, cows in the dairy industry) they do not display those signs of rejection/not giving their consent. You can observe your self, they are happy to give milk or they don’t mind. Cows are mothers. They have a lot of oxytocin called the “tend and care hormone”, so naturally they like to give milk especially more so for those human beings who love and serve her as mother. Also how are you assuming that the cow doesn’t give consent. What are the signs of consent? Do you expect a cow to follow human behavior and sign a piece of paper? In conclusion, cows can be happy to give humans milk. Therefore let’s open more Ahimsa Farm Projects! And distribute real LOVE MILK and not Blood Milk and get nourished! #AhimsaMilkIsGood
I appreciate this man's kind intentions, he seems like a nice guy. but... I think he's referencing and basing his beliefs around an outdated society/lifestyle. 🤷🏼♂️💚✌️
I’m so glad you called out his bullshit about cows producing milk out of love for years after their pregnancy. People like this are the most infuriating to have discussions with. He thinks and believes this nonsense and it’s incredibly difficult to convince him otherwise.
@@jscod1124 there are plenty of plant milks that taste fantastic and don’t entail rights violations. Do you think a sensory pleasure can justify abusing and/or causing harm to another individual?
So ”love” means using selectively bred animals that produce too much milk? That’s not having their best interest in mind, and neither is milking them to try and keep up the production instead of letting them go dry. Doesn’t that make the udders heavy and uncomfortable, can’t imagine being constantly milked not taking a toll on their bodies? People blame vegans for anthropomorphizing animals but at least we don’t claim that cows are saying they want to breastfeed us 😄 You should def visit the farm, would be interesting to see if they have actually kept all the calves alive.
I keep the male kids alive for 4-12 months if I don't sell them or need another wethered goat. I never asked my does how they feel about being milked. Do you want to interview them?
@@Carnemexada i don’t need to interview them, they are animals and for the same reason me and you both already know that they can’t give their consent to any of this. You think using someone’s body to your advantage and their detriment, and killing their babies after mere months, is ok to do to someone that can’t even consent? A caregiver’s responsibility is to do what’s best for those they are taking care of. Is killing the kids (or selling them to someone who will) in their best interest?
@@myrrysmaikku I don't need their consent. It's their purpose to feed me and my family. Animals are not someone. I am not their caregiver. Animals don't have interests, best or otherwise.
@@Carnemexada if you are not their caregiver, what are you? Their abuser? I agree. You don’t get to arbitrarily decide what their purpose is especially when it goes against their wellbeing, just like you don’t get to decide what your children’s purpose is even though they are yours, that would be called slavery. They are not objects. If we don’t need to justify things, would it be ok for people to decide that your purpose is to serve them and that you too are not someone, but something that doesn’t need to be considered? And them not having interests is just factually false and you know that. They have emotions and intelligence, they sense and feel and think and want. Every animal strives for wellbeing. And you can’t justify acting against someone’s wellbeing without need (which you don’t have) or consent (which you can’t get).
@@myrrysmaikku I'm their owner. They're my property. It isn't arbitrary. It is determined by necessity. Animals aren't children. I don't need to justify eating animal foods. Animals aren't someone. Animal interests are limited to basic needs, which I provide them. Animal interests aren't comparable to human interests. Their well-being is only relevant to the purpose of feeding me and my family. And that is their only purpose for us. We need to eat. If you want to raise goats as pets, be my guest. I'll sell you some bucks.
His argument is flawed. Milk production in cows (same as humans) depends on regular milking, following supply and demand. Yes it's possibly for a cow to provide milk after weaning, but only because she's still being milked by a machine! If humans stop milking them, their milk supply decreases. This has nothing to do with a loving 'symbiotic' relationship, it simply an attempt to justify drinking milk at all costs, just because "Lord Krishna did". Another flaw in his arguments (as you pointed out) is that many Hare Krishnas like himself and including many of my family members, consume milk that doesn't come from goshalas or 'Ahimsa' farms so they're still responsible for the exploitation and death of cows. But let's be real, if ARA's went into these goshalas or 'Ahimsa farms' they will surely have exploitative practices. On a side note at a recent Hare Krishna protest in Vancouver they were serving milk in bags from a grocery store. When we asked them where they get their milk, they hid them. As if we're meant to believe they can serve 2000 people with this 'excess' milk made with love😒 Great outreach, it's hard to argue when someone has the religious blinders on.
Wait... can someone answer me this question. I heard a lot about cows that produces milk after their baby stop drinking, and that people needs to remove that milk from them, because this can have some problematics effects, this aren't real?? I have a teory that this occurs by the same reason that chickens put so many eggs in the industry, maybe is something conected to the genetic selection that those animals went through, almost like some womans that have a lot of milk when they give birth, and they donate or even freezes. I hope someone can enlight this for me
It’s fake. It’s a myth propagated by farmers. Maybe Indian farmers (not sure). ALL MAMALS PRODUCE MILK FOR THEIR BABIES. THEY STOP PRODUCING MILK PAST THE POINT OF WEENING.
That era was different, in that era animals were not exploited, in that era animals were looked upon with compassion and not as objects of enjoyment. So stop taking the name of Hare Krishna in your argument of eating meat.
what do you mean by they were not "exploited in that era"? you do not understand the meaning of exploited. animals are not ours to use. never romanticize the use of animals throughout history.
when I was in Germany 1993, I met a Hare Krishna community. they didn't eat meats nor eggs, but they still drank milk. they didn't drink alcohol, not even Cocacola / Soda ..
I'm still undefeated, vegans. No vegan seems capable of addressing the fact that potentially more animals are killed to feed someone a vegan diet than are killed to feed someone a diet that contains free-range beef and other carefully chosen meats. Come on, Jack, don't be scurred, boy.
Oh give me a break. Common sense - when you're eating animals, those animals ate plants until they were killed, so you're killing way more animals in the process of killing the plants the animals ate than vegans are who aren't eating those animals. "Free range and carefully chosen meat" makes no difference, they are still animals that ate plants until they were killed thus causing more animals to be killed in the process. Your argument is illogical.
Your evidence for that claim? Let me guess, you don't have any sources ro support your claim. If you actually care about Science, watch the video on crop deaths by Debug Your Brain
So, let me get this straight:
1) The cow only produces milk because she's having a loving relationship with a human;
2) But also you have to have a loving relationship with the cow and take her milk otherwise she will be in discomfort producing milk for 20 years.
How about this: what if you just stop lying and quit the bovine titty juice? Wouldn't it be better? Magical cows producing milk without being pregnant... 🤦
Good job Jack cutting through the cow excrement 💪💚
when I was in Germany 1993, I met a Haare Krishna community.
they didn't eat meats, nor eggs but still drank milk.
they didn't drink alcohol, not even Cocacola / Soda.
but they still drink milk .
that's their characters ....
vegans still drink alcohol and Soda, while Haare Krishna don't ..
vegans don't really care what you consume. If Haare Krishnas want to consume cocaine we don't have a problem with it, as long as it doesn't cause exploitation and cruelty to other sentient beings.
@@ayi3455Your point?
@@bauabh
Haare Krishna community worship to Krishna, their God..
they don't eat meats and eggs according to Krishna's order ..
Krishna was once seen on earth, just like Jesus which Christians believe to be son of the God.
They drink milk because Krishna allows them to drink milk, Krishna himself while on earth used to drink milk.
vegan activists have various religions, Christians, Hindus, Moslems, even agnostics or atheists.
Their common point of view is the Love of animals.
Haare Krishna still consider animals are animals, and humans are humans..
humans are not animals ..
animals are something, not someone as the vegans think ..
vegans consider humans are also animals, while that is not the case for Haare Krishna.
animals have to be treated humanely because they are animals, not because animals and humans are equal as the vegans think.
Haare Krishna don't drink Beer / alcohol not even soda, because Krishna never did that while he was on earth, while vegans still drink Cocacola, even alcohol / Beers ..
so ...
there isva slight difference between vegans and Haare Krishna.
veganism seems to be a new religion.
Animal religion ..
@@ayi3455Jesus is not some little man who lived 2000 years ago. He's The Pattern of Salvation. We're born into the crucifixion, which is our garments of flesh. Golgotha means skull.
magical cows.😆
Nice Jack,👍 He doesn't know the basic information. Cow's don't not give their milk years after years or in a loving relationship, we force them and take their milk and after some years of pregnancy they eventually got used to of that and lost their all hopes to get out of this situation.
Would you like to interview my goats? You can ask them how they feel about being milked all these years. I'm sure some of them wanted to go to law school.
CULTURE convenience and comfort are NO excuse for animal abuse.
Animals like children CANNOT CONSENT.
Is using a child considered love??
BACKWARDS BRAINWASHED BELIEFS..
Defending ANIMAL ABUSE is desperately disheartening and disgusting.
@jack who gave you permission for you to take fruits from a tree or kill entire potatos to eat them? This kindof logic is ridiculous. We follow what Sri Krishna has told us to do. If cows life is precious, then why not plants and trees?? Don't be a hypocrite
Great work Jack 💚💚
Great questions you asked, Jack, but he's a liar who wants to keep pretending to himself that there's some sort of "love" relationship going on with the "protected" cow. It's a lie that the baby still gets the milk too. He said "We only try and TAKE" - he means steal - when he could simply drink 19 different types of plant-based milks. Apparently he's a mind-reader that the cow wants to give humans that milk out of love. The only reason the cow keeps giving milk is because they keep sucking it out of her with painful milking machines until she's dry! If that's love, then what is hate?
You can keep your nut milk. The kids won't drink all of the milk and milking the does helps them to produce more. I don't love my goats, but I certainly don't hate them. A milking machine is more sanitary and really no different than a breast pump.
@@Carnemexada Stealing and drinking other species' milk is perverted. Shame on you. I pray you get a conscience one day and stop abusing and exploiting animals like slaves.
Wow the conditioning here is insane!
He’s been brainwashed to believe the cows produce endless amounts of milk due to love!
This has the dairy industry written all over it with how they manipulate people.
I’d love to go and film at one of these farms
Great outreach! 💪🌱
You're welcome to come to my goat farm. I'll even let you do the milking.
nice outreach Jack, I cant believe his story about showing love makes the cow produce milk forever, maybe a visit to his farm will enlighten him
Thank you for this example of a respectful conversation on a difficult topic.
While I absolutely do agree with your points, I think the Hare Krishna believer carries a lifetime of determination with him that what he does is a sign of love and respect for the cows.
Maybe you have put a seed of doubt in him, maybe not.
Faith is difficult to argue with.
Maybe an argument could be had that if they stopped milking, the cow would stop lactating (please factually check this, but for humans this is often the case) and it would improve the cows overall health while still being able to maintain a loving relationship. Benefits all.
when I was in Germany 1993, I met a Haare Krishna community.
they worship to Krishna, their God ..
they don't eat meats and eggs, but they still drink milk.
they don't drink alcohol, not even Cocacola / soda.
vegans still drink alcohol and soda..
The lies he tells himself have nothing to do with "faith." He's been brainwashed into the Dairy Cult to think this sick, selfish, abusive behavior is all done out of altruism and love (most evil things are promoted as such). These freaks don't love the cows that they're using. If they stopped milking them they'd put them out on the streets to die. This guy's a coward, too afraid to change his worldview of all the lies he tells himself, when he could simply switch to one of 19 different plant-based options.
And yes, humans just stop stealing the milk is a real good idea.
"Loving relationship." JFC.
Lol this is so ridiculous! Thank you Jack for hammering away, good job, oy.
And still all the glorious animal products
Great vid man
Thanks.
However there’s a flaw in the vegans argument.
There is a difference between human mother and mother cow in regard to consent to giving milk. Obviously you will see clear signs of rejection if you try to milk a human by force / without their consent… These signs may include, verbal rejection, crying, screaming, fighting, defending etc. However, when you milk a cow that has been protected, cared and LOVED! unlike the fearful, traumatised, cows in the dairy industry) they do not display those signs of rejection/not giving their consent. You can observe your self, they are happy to give milk or they don’t mind. Cows are mothers. They have a lot of oxytocin called the “tend and care hormone”, so naturally they like to give milk especially more so for those human beings who love and serve her as mother.
Also how are you assuming that the cow doesn’t give consent. What are the signs of consent? Do you expect a cow to follow human behavior and sign a piece of paper?
In conclusion, cows can be happy to give humans milk.
Therefore let’s open more Ahimsa Farm Projects! And distribute real LOVE MILK and not Blood Milk and get nourished! #AhimsaMilkIsGood
I appreciate this man's kind intentions, he seems like a nice guy.
but... I think he's referencing and basing his beliefs around an outdated society/lifestyle. 🤷🏼♂️💚✌️
😂Omg this guy is full of it! His mental gymnastics is impressive 👍🏼
he keeps saying "it", in reference to the cow, as he describes a loving relationship.
Least amount of harm possible is vegan, not vegetarian. Vegetarian isn't even close.
It can be
The background violin adds drama to his storytelling😄What happens to the male calves? Traditionally they would be trained to work.
I’m so glad you called out his bullshit about cows producing milk out of love for years after their pregnancy. People like this are the most infuriating to have discussions with. He thinks and believes this nonsense and it’s incredibly difficult to convince him otherwise.
Meh they are food
My does produce milk because my buck hits dem azzez
Milks so good tho lol
@@jscod1124 there are plenty of plant milks that taste fantastic and don’t entail rights violations.
Do you think a sensory pleasure can justify abusing and/or causing harm to another individual?
Great video Jack!
So ”love” means using selectively bred animals that produce too much milk? That’s not having their best interest in mind, and neither is milking them to try and keep up the production instead of letting them go dry. Doesn’t that make the udders heavy and uncomfortable, can’t imagine being constantly milked not taking a toll on their bodies?
People blame vegans for anthropomorphizing animals but at least we don’t claim that cows are saying they want to breastfeed us 😄
You should def visit the farm, would be interesting to see if they have actually kept all the calves alive.
I keep the male kids alive for 4-12 months if I don't sell them or need another wethered goat. I never asked my does how they feel about being milked. Do you want to interview them?
@@Carnemexada i don’t need to interview them, they are animals and for the same reason me and you both already know that they can’t give their consent to any of this. You think using someone’s body to your advantage and their detriment, and killing their babies after mere months, is ok to do to someone that can’t even consent? A caregiver’s responsibility is to do what’s best for those they are taking care of. Is killing the kids (or selling them to someone who will) in their best interest?
@@myrrysmaikku I don't need their consent. It's their purpose to feed me and my family. Animals are not someone. I am not their caregiver. Animals don't have interests, best or otherwise.
@@Carnemexada if you are not their caregiver, what are you? Their abuser? I agree.
You don’t get to arbitrarily decide what their purpose is especially when it goes against their wellbeing, just like you don’t get to decide what your children’s purpose is even though they are yours, that would be called slavery. They are not objects.
If we don’t need to justify things, would it be ok for people to decide that your purpose is to serve them and that you too are not someone, but something that doesn’t need to be considered?
And them not having interests is just factually false and you know that. They have emotions and intelligence, they sense and feel and think and want. Every animal strives for wellbeing. And you can’t justify acting against someone’s wellbeing without need (which you don’t have) or consent (which you can’t get).
@@myrrysmaikku I'm their owner. They're my property. It isn't arbitrary. It is determined by necessity. Animals aren't children.
I don't need to justify eating animal foods. Animals aren't someone. Animal interests are limited to basic needs, which I provide them. Animal interests aren't comparable to human interests. Their well-being is only relevant to the purpose of feeding me and my family. And that is their only purpose for us. We need to eat. If you want to raise goats as pets, be my guest. I'll sell you some bucks.
His argument is flawed. Milk production in cows (same as humans) depends on regular milking, following supply and demand. Yes it's possibly for a cow to provide milk after weaning, but only because she's still being milked by a machine! If humans stop milking them, their milk supply decreases. This has nothing to do with a loving 'symbiotic' relationship, it simply an attempt to justify drinking milk at all costs, just because "Lord Krishna did". Another flaw in his arguments (as you pointed out) is that many Hare Krishnas like himself and including many of my family members, consume milk that doesn't come from goshalas or 'Ahimsa' farms so they're still responsible for the exploitation and death of cows. But let's be real, if ARA's went into these goshalas or 'Ahimsa farms' they will surely have exploitative practices. On a side note at a recent Hare Krishna protest in Vancouver they were serving milk in bags from a grocery store. When we asked them where they get their milk, they hid them. As if we're meant to believe they can serve 2000 people with this 'excess' milk made with love😒
Great outreach, it's hard to argue when someone has the religious blinders on.
Fair play Jack very patient with his rather unusual an incorrect perspectives on a loving relationship between people & Cows.🌱🌅🍀
That older man acts like a child.
Did that guy come up behind and nick something out of his bag?
I thought the same but think they might be together at the stand behind them
@@Donsomebody 👍
Hare Pissna
12:22 "You're not going to milk it." - got 'em.
Wait... can someone answer me this question.
I heard a lot about cows that produces milk after their baby stop drinking, and that people needs to remove that milk from them, because this can have some problematics effects, this aren't real??
I have a teory that this occurs by the same reason that chickens put so many eggs in the industry, maybe is something conected to the genetic selection that those animals went through, almost like some womans that have a lot of milk when they give birth, and they donate or even freezes. I hope someone can enlight this for me
It’s fake. It’s a myth propagated by farmers. Maybe Indian farmers (not sure).
ALL MAMALS PRODUCE MILK FOR THEIR BABIES. THEY STOP PRODUCING MILK PAST THE POINT OF WEENING.
That era was different, in that era animals were not exploited, in that era animals were looked upon with compassion and not as objects of enjoyment. So stop taking the name of Hare Krishna in your argument of eating meat.
what do you mean by they were not "exploited in that era"? you do not understand the meaning of exploited. animals are not ours to use. never romanticize the use of animals throughout history.
when I was in Germany 1993, I met a Hare Krishna community.
they didn't eat meats nor eggs, but they still drank milk.
they didn't drink alcohol, not even Cocacola / Soda ..
How will you survive without tashs only fans money?
all of them are vegan for the donations and ad sense.
Hare Krsna should be vegan. And will soon. Just watch
I'm still undefeated, vegans. No vegan seems capable of addressing the fact that potentially more animals are killed to feed someone a vegan diet than are killed to feed someone a diet that contains free-range beef and other carefully chosen meats. Come on, Jack, don't be scurred, boy.
Oh give me a break. Common sense - when you're eating animals, those animals ate plants until they were killed, so you're killing way more animals in the process of killing the plants the animals ate than vegans are who aren't eating those animals. "Free range and carefully chosen meat" makes no difference, they are still animals that ate plants until they were killed thus causing more animals to be killed in the process. Your argument is illogical.
Your evidence for that claim? Let me guess, you don't have any sources ro support your claim. If you actually care about Science, watch the video on crop deaths by Debug Your Brain
Those must be some really stellar replies if YT won't show them to me.
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Its legal to milk a bull but your not allowed to swallow but isnt that showing love if it was a human?
This is the guy that owns the assassin account, right?
This the realest sh*t ever