🐝 How to build a Layen's Hive Part 2 of 2
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- This is how I build a 19 frame Layens beehive (horizontal hive) part 2. I found the plans for this hive on Dr. Leo's website (an excellent resource) and made a few minor changes to suit my needs. Making a beehive can be intimidating but my goal with this bee box build was to make it as approachable as possible. Currently, the main hive I'm using in my beekeeping operation is the Layens. I love how the Layen's horizontal hive provides extra insulation for our long, cold winters here in WNY. The taller frames also allow the bees to stay in their cluster longer over the winter as they do not have to cross between boxes like they do in the Langstroth hive.
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One thing I'm not getting is when you drilled the holes in the top cover. Why? On the layers frames there is no space between the tops of the frames. How does the air move to go up and out.
After you answer the question I'd be satisfied to do that to my new builds. I think it's a FANTASTIC build.
I know this is a very old comment, but I'll reply anyway. From what I've heard, they usually leave a half inch gap under the divider board, and since the frames don't go all the way down, that will provide ventilation through the hive. I'm not sure how this is solved when you have a split hive with a divider board all the way down, but I suspect you can just drill a hole and put a screen on it.
Thanks Bill. Great video work and very helpful to see you constructing this hive.
You sir, make some phenomenal instructional videos! Amazing craftsmanship. I’m really envious.
Thanks! Hope they help.
Your a very good wood worker. How do you think in place of doing all the t&g joints pocket screws were used? Thanks
Hi Thanks for the well done video. Appreciate the overhead shots and the intermittent music was a nice relief from the task at hand.
Nice one, thank you sir.
AWESOME! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing. Do you think a screened bottom option is worth doing? Putting a hinge on the bottom board as well and not making it recessed?
Hi Standollar,
I personally do not run screened bottom boards and I'm not sure it would be beneficial. I always try to think about the bees natural choice for a hive location in a tree when contemplating changes to the box design. I don't see a major problem with not recessing the bottom board, but depending on how you attach and protect it it may or may not last as long?
Hope this helps!
BBB
My question is, if one is moving to a new property, how the heck would they lift and move a hive this large and heavy when it's full of bees?
Hi Adrya. There are a few ways to do it. You can remove the honey frames and have someone help lift the hive with you. You can break the hive down and move the bees into a nuc size box for transporting. Or you could use a tractor with forks.
With that being said, this is not a hive that you would move often. It’s more in line with natural beekeeping in which the bees remain in their same location their entire life.
Hope that helps!
Would you have a bag of the drawn comb. to rub inside the traps. I'll have 2 traps Thanks.
I currently don't ship any bee products. I would try looking for a Facebook group or bee club near physically near you. It's been my experience most beekeepers are very willing to help out new keepers.
If you make a line on the metal with the back of a knife or anything that would be sharp but not cut through and prefold the metal a little it will not want to spring outt so bad.
I enjoyed the build. I have been thinking of building this type of hive to get into beekeeping. How do you think the layens hive compares to the horizontal hive that uses langstroth frames?
Hi Jeff, I decided to go with the Layens frame because of how deep they are. From the best I can tell(from reading) the bees use about 1mm of honey per day in the cluster. I calculated approximately how many days were under 50 degrees where I live and then figured out how many inches of honey they would need if clustering.
When using Lang frames the bees would have to cross the space between the frames to next box or cross to a different frame and I thought that would be harder for them. That’s why I ended up going with Layens, to hopefully overwinter better.
Hope this helps with your choice!
Bee Boy Bill : I chose the Layen forthe same reason as you did. Thanks for your video. Now in 2020...have you stopped making videos?
Did you put any insulation in the top of the hive? Hot air rises and aluminium is one of the best thermal conductors that exists. Water vapor also rises, also increasing heat loss from the top of the hive via conductivity. If you want to conserve heat in the hive, the top portion of the hive is the most important part to insulate. That's why many langstroth hives, despite being thin walled, often still have some thick polystyrene on top of the hive. I'm also a newbie beekeeper, switching to layens/horizontal.
Hi Japesh,
Yes, I put Rock Wool insulation in the top of the hive in the fall. I imagine fiberglass would also work but it's not pleasing to work with. I don't recommend poly because there is no way for the moist air to escape.
As you can see in the video, the vent hole sit above the frames and below the top. I imagine the thermal conductivity of aluminum creates a chimney effect in the summer helping to ventilate the hive. In the winter, I don't think this is of great concern because my hives have up to 1.5ft of snow on top of them.
The primary concern in winter, in my opinion, is the flat ceiling structure created by the tops of the frames. In a tree, the bees natural home, I imagine the top of the hive is rarely flat and most likely a dome shape. Even if the ceiling of the hive in a tree was flat, there is an entire tree above it and would be more insulated than the sides of the tree.
Because of the flat ceiling in a Layen's hive and the low r-value, my primary concern is moisture condensing on the ceiling and dripping directly on to the bees. For this reason, I feel it is imperative to insulate the top of the hive with breathable insulation. Ideally, the hot moist air should rise above the insulation before mixing with the cold air.
This method is similar to how we ventilate our houses. The hot moisture should rise above the insulation layer in our house and then be extracted with the air moving from the soffit to the ridge vent or turbine.
How do you plan to insulate your hives?
Hope this helps!
@@BeeBoyBill my plan is to do an upper entrance on layens style hive. The upper entrance will allow for ventilation. Mostly sealed below. Unconventional, but want to give a try. Plan for ceiling to be sealed, and sides. Not the bottom. Interested to see more progress on your apiary. Ive watched and watch everything on UA-cam re layens hives
Bees listening to the rain hitting the roof
great video! how did you separate the inside to allow 2 hives
Hi Guy, I ended up not needing to separate mine but I helped my friend Mark separate his. The best plan we came up with was to take a 2x10 and cut it the exact width of the hive (the same direction a frame sits.) Putting 2-2x10s on top of each other and securing with 3" screws from the outside of the hive. It makies a 1.5" wall in between the 2 sides. It works out great because the frames are 1.5" and the 2x10 is also 1.5" You just have to add spacers so that all the top of the frames touch and the bees cannot get form one side to the other. We should be in his hives next week and I'll see if we can get some video of it.
Hello again Bill. Did you receive my request for help? I'm hoping your my guy because you know exactly what your doing. If I don't hear back I will assume that can't help. Grateful regardless. Brad
Great video! Seems like those double frames would be awkward and heavy when they are full
Hi Tommy,
The frames are quite manageable. Each frame is only about 30% larger than a Langstroth deep. If you have trouble lifting heavy things or have back problems these hives work great because you only are lifting one frame at a time as opposed to lifting a whole super full of honey which can be quite heavy.
Hope this helps!
Bill
do you have any completed for purchase, great video
Hi LibraBoi8 jay,
I haven't sold any hives, I know Dr. Leo was selling them on his site www.horizontalhive.com
Hope this helps!
@@BeeBoyBill Thank you , i did purchase one from Dr Leo, just need to figure out how to get bees out of a brick wall in my backyard and transfer them in, any ideas?
you forgot to add the slats to put above the frames to keep the girls in when opening the top
Not sure what you’re referring to. Have a picture or link?
Bee Boy Bill This is a vidéo in a horizontal hive with slats....but it is a horizontal Langsthroth, not a Layens hive. (ua-cam.com/video/l2h_9zoKmXU/v-deo.html&feature=share)
We are in March /20.... have you stopped making video? I only see video going back to last year. Thank you.
Bee Boy Bill This is another vidéo with Dr Leo on a Lang horizontal. He explains the cover boards and you can see them very well here. (ua-cam.com/video/R7GVA1h2q4Y/v-deo.html&feature=share). Looking forward to more videos from your channel. I have chosen you as my trail blazer. I am starting this spring and am shaking in my boots. I too am sold on the Layens hive and Dr Leo’s approach. I think you said you lived in the State of NY. Is that the case? I think it is important to mention in what area the beekeeping is done because we can take that into consideration and understand the choices made by a beekeeper. Most beekeepers don’t don’t describe the kind of area that they live in and I think that skews the info a little because the environment influences certain choices one makes from what I gather. Also a knowledge of the plants that grow in your area would also be info that is important, besides the whether. Do you have a chart that you can consult to help you get that knowledge with regards to you area? I think that that would be a good subject for a video, if I may suggest. I live in 🇨🇦, in the Gatineau hills, in the Province of Quebec. That is about 45 minutes north of Ottawa. So I thing my zone is a 4b, if that means anything to you. I ask that because I am particularly interested in the fact that you made openings at the top of your hives and that originally the Layens doesn’t have top openings. Another subject that I would suggest is the circulation of air in a hive. The way I understand it is that especially in winter, the bees when in a cluster fan in such a way that the air will circulate from right to top then down the left and out of the bottom, whether in summer or winter and that what is most important is to have something at the top where cold air meets the warm air, such that condensation does not occur there while the air circulates. Thank you for your videos.
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