What If Appeasement Never Ended?

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  • @possiblehistory
    @possiblehistory  5 місяців тому +739

    The narration was an experiment, do let me know what you thought!

    • @alexthedemon2203
      @alexthedemon2203 5 місяців тому +231

      Was a little too loud could use improvement but i did like it

    • @amelialiu-flowers3340
      @amelialiu-flowers3340 5 місяців тому +69

      It was an interesting addition, could be used to help bring out potential historical perspectives. With a bit of polishing, like the obvious modern *end recording sounds*, I could see myself enjoying it.

    • @Thursday7272
      @Thursday7272 5 місяців тому +216

      It doesnt really fit the video style and is in my opinion very out of place

    • @alistersinclair4600
      @alistersinclair4600 5 місяців тому +31

      I like it, needs a little refinement in terms of volume and stuff but I think it could be pretty good!

    • @gabrielmagalhaes3893
      @gabrielmagalhaes3893 5 місяців тому +35

      It is a good idea, but the execution is not quite there yet. Try modifying the audio to feel like an old radio transmission, and yes it was a bit louder than necessary.

  • @MikhailTukachevsky
    @MikhailTukachevsky 5 місяців тому +1794

    Germany requests the entire universe, France and Britain decide it's reasonable because there is more Germans to be appeased in space.

    • @MikhailTukachevsky
      @MikhailTukachevsky 5 місяців тому +27

      @@finitatem Went on r/atheism today have we? Or maybe watched a wehraboo video?

    • @chinesetaxevader
      @chinesetaxevader 5 місяців тому +40

      @@MikhailTukachevsky he is not wrong, the city used to be populated by mainly germans and hungarians up until ww1 when the city was given to the slovaks even tho they barely lived there

    • @asasas9146
      @asasas9146 5 місяців тому +8

      ​@@finitatem Depends on your morals tho. I'll say anyone willing to go to war so eagerly to break the Versailles treaty is being unreasonable.

    • @patrikmodrovsky1842
      @patrikmodrovsky1842 5 місяців тому +16

      @@finitatem those lands were Czech for long time, they had higher German population only because Austrians were pushing out other cultures
      also, minorities in Czechoslovakia had great treatment, one of best in the world

    • @nielsjensen4185
      @nielsjensen4185 5 місяців тому +13

      @@asasas9146 The Treaty of Versailles was in itself amoral with one main goal, to punish Germany so it could never recover enough economically to threaten Europe. This was due to a thing that's often ignored when people present WWI, namely that the Germans as a population were stoked to show the rest of Europe their superiority. it's always that Germany only found itself in WWI due to diplomatic circumstances, which is incorrect.
      The Treaty itself eventually gave room for Hitler to seize power and become the beloved dictator that many Germans saw him as, until the full extent of the KZ-camps was revealed that is.
      Meynard Keynes protested the Treaty of Versailles as he believed that it would lead to the circumstances that it did. The treaty after WWII was a lot more lenient than the Treaty of Versailles as the Allied powers this time took Keynes' criticism to heart.

  • @TheSerbNationalist
    @TheSerbNationalist 5 місяців тому +460

    "I want that thing." Germany said, calmly.

    • @brandonarmienti6875
      @brandonarmienti6875 5 місяців тому +63

      "You can't have tha- OK!! You can have that thing but no more!!"- Chamberlain said in response.

    • @Kiddo5010
      @Kiddo5010 5 місяців тому +24

      I want that thing. And repeat

    • @narobii9815
      @narobii9815 4 місяці тому +8

      Germany said, calmy with a vein bulging on their forehead.*

    • @DinoRicky
      @DinoRicky 4 місяці тому +4

      @@Kiddo5010I want that…..
      NO NOT POLAND!!!!!!

    • @JackFPS.
      @JackFPS. Місяць тому

      Just casually waiting a NordVPN joke

  • @Respecteddude666
    @Respecteddude666 5 місяців тому +1201

    Bro you need to continue the ww1 central powers victory series it's so damn interesting

    • @robbsclock2675
      @robbsclock2675 5 місяців тому +25

      Yes, that would be wonderful

    • @AntiCommunistHungarian
      @AntiCommunistHungarian 5 місяців тому +59

      There's not much to do honestly. Germany has the biggest army,barely any enemies,and nukes.

    • @Respecteddude666
      @Respecteddude666 5 місяців тому +30

      @@AntiCommunistHungarian
      Tbh i want it to continue tell modern day to see how much have changed

    • @coolthefool1
      @coolthefool1 5 місяців тому

      frfr

    • @thenamesianna
      @thenamesianna 5 місяців тому +22

      Beyond that point it would become more fiction than educated speculation. I am satisfied with what I have now.

  • @JustAnotherGuy-vx4po
    @JustAnotherGuy-vx4po 5 місяців тому +750

    Scenario idea: What if the Coptic Christian’s succeeded in the Bashmurian revolts, thus creating a Coptic Egypt?

  • @scyobiempire4450
    @scyobiempire4450 5 місяців тому +338

    What if the German revolution succeeded while the Russian (October) revolution failed?

    • @dmitrygerasimov7869
      @dmitrygerasimov7869 5 місяців тому +23

      Do you mean if November Revolution ended up by communists taking power.. If so, it's quite not an option, because communist uprisings in Germany were highly inspired by s *success* of October Revolution in Russia.

    • @scyobiempire4450
      @scyobiempire4450 5 місяців тому +36

      @@dmitrygerasimov7869 in the early stages of the success of the Bolsheviks taking power, there was a lot of uncertainty about how long it would last. It is possible it could’ve fell whether it be to forces inside the Union or due to outside forces meddling

    • @edelweiss7928
      @edelweiss7928 5 місяців тому

      The bad ending

    • @user-se4cy9tj7t
      @user-se4cy9tj7t 5 місяців тому

      Yes

    • @gladys2563
      @gladys2563 5 місяців тому

      ​@@edelweiss7928Th b and g endin

  • @BasicallyBaconSandvichIV
    @BasicallyBaconSandvichIV 5 місяців тому +226

    I think Japan would have attacked the USSR. With their allies diverting Russia's attention, they could easily take large swathes of resource rich territory.
    I don't know if it was known to be resource rich at the time, but I still think they would do it.

    • @affenimperator9155
      @affenimperator9155 5 місяців тому +49

      And without WW2 they can import Oil from Germanys occupied regions or from neutral countrys

    • @BasicallyBaconSandvichIV
      @BasicallyBaconSandvichIV 5 місяців тому +21

      ​@@affenimperator9155 Exactly, though the western allies are still very able to disrupt any shipments of oil or other raw resources quite easily.

    • @J7Handle
      @J7Handle 5 місяців тому +19

      @@BasicallyBaconSandvichIVthe question is in the allies would try in coordinated fashion to cut the Japanese off from oil when the allies and Japanese are somewhat on the same side of the war against the Soviets thanks to the Winter War.
      The sanctions from the USA came after Japan occupied Indochina, which would not happen in this alternate timeline.

    • @AngryAndNegativeHistoryProject
      @AngryAndNegativeHistoryProject 5 місяців тому +1

      What would you have done?

    • @BasicallyBaconSandvichIV
      @BasicallyBaconSandvichIV 5 місяців тому +5

      ​@@J7Handle Exactly, probably why it is in my unprofessional opinion that they would probably attack the USSR. They stay in good standing with both the allies (at least for a little while more) and the germans.

  • @lustfullemon
    @lustfullemon 5 місяців тому +200

    love how possible history always changes his way of editing ❤

  • @floor737
    @floor737 5 місяців тому +195

    Might I entreat you to envision a scenario, purely speculative in nature, wherein every conceivable variable aligns harmoniously and favorably for the venerable nation of Norway? Picture, if you will, a narrative unfolding wherein every pursuit, every endeavor, manifests with a perfection so sublime that it ushers forth an unparalleled era of prosperity and serenity for the Norwegian realm.
    (Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario)

    • @achaeanmapping4408
      @achaeanmapping4408 5 місяців тому +38

      Bro pulled the thesaurus for this one

    • @user-py1gl6xm4f
      @user-py1gl6xm4f 5 місяців тому +2

      If ph did make a video for this when would you want the timeline to diverge?

    • @floor737
      @floor737 5 місяців тому +3

      @@user-py1gl6xm4f I would say either in 1066 during the Norwegian invasion of England, or after the Napoleonic wars letting Norway keep their overseas territories. Maybe Sweden would give away historical Norwegian lands to make Norway willingly join their union?

    • @dougfowler1368
      @dougfowler1368 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@floor737 after Napoleon? I think avoid8ng the famine during would be it - a stronger Norway that got the food it needed could be c9nsidered too big a prize for Sweden and instead given independence with a British prince to keep them firmly in British sphere of influence.

    • @floor737
      @floor737 5 місяців тому

      @@dougfowler1368 True, avoiding the famine would be ideal. But I tihnk placing a British prince would come with some downsides such as internal resistance to yet another foreign monarch, making the people question if independence had really been achieved. The British couldn't let Norway fall into an enemies sphere of influence because of the importance of their location (especially if they get to keep their overseas territories), but a disloyal Norway might be hard to hold onto for long.

  • @GigaRoman
    @GigaRoman 5 місяців тому +219

    What if everything went perfect for Monarchist Italy?

    • @Genburthing
      @Genburthing 5 місяців тому +6

      Basically no Victoria Muttilada?

    • @GigaRoman
      @GigaRoman 5 місяців тому

      @@Genburthing *yes*

    • @GigaRoman
      @GigaRoman 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Genburthing also it's mutilata, not mutilada

    • @e_4210
      @e_4210 5 місяців тому +2

      profile pic checks out

    • @GigaRoman
      @GigaRoman 5 місяців тому

      @@e_4210 😂👍

  • @whyops9862
    @whyops9862 5 місяців тому +82

    You forget that unlike in our timeline Stalin probably would not be trusting the Germans nearly as much here and would not have massive parts of the Soviet armies be encircled at the start of the war.

    • @user-xe2sq8pq4b
      @user-xe2sq8pq4b 5 місяців тому

      It doesnt really matter. At the end, Soviets will anyways fall

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro 5 місяців тому

      Stalin never trusted Germans. He planned back stab them. But was backstabbed first.
      But in this scenario. West do not enter conflict with Germany. What happen before Great Patriotic War.

  • @kasperusdanversmauw
    @kasperusdanversmauw 5 місяців тому +48

    "Come on guys, trust me! It will be his last demand!"

  • @blackgold2589
    @blackgold2589 5 місяців тому +107

    There’s many parts in this scenario that I find issue, chiefly with Germany and the USSR.
    But first, Stalin wasn’t ever going to give up on Finland, his paranoia drove the war due to issues of the proximity of Leningrad to Finland and Finland being used as a staging post, this actually happening with British and French forces would only increase this. At minimum Stalin isn’t giving up until he gets something from Finland and Finland, no matter how much support just can’t beat the USSR, there is only so much a tiny nation of a few million can do against something 20x it’s size. Even if it’s only a tiny strip of the mannerheim he will not stop until he gets it.
    Secondly, I doubt the idea that Germany would perform better in Barbarossa ittl than otl, by 1940 the German economy was completely broke they were utterly dependent on looting other countries just to keep functioning. These countries were primarily western, Hitler hoped to take from the east but the utter devastation meant that this just never happened, pretty much all the way until ‘45. Two, with peace in the west there really isn’t a way for Stalin to ignore reality about the Germans, 90% of German success was due to soviet incompetence and while the purges were a decent portion of that by far it was the fault of Stalin with warning a lot of the problems that came with this just don’t exist. The primary one being there are much fewer encirclements, and secondly that Soviet industry evacuates east much quicker than OTL, tbh I don’t understand how this would go worse ittl than otl, and that much of the Soviet airforce survives. Obviously the Soviet airforce is much inferior to the Germans but they are in a much better position to equalise and crucially aren’t so dependent on lend lease. No Lend lease in Barbarossa wouldn’t have much effect as lend lease wouldn’t really pick up until 42
    Not to say that the USSR would curbstomp Germany, I’d imagine the initial push into the USSR achieves fewer gains than otl and the Soviet counterattack is worse, and then the Germans have much better success pushing into the caucuses but this doesn’t really get them anything, everything is still extremely scorched earth. Things are going worse for the Soviets but that doesn’t mean that the Germans are better off. But, as things go forward, the German army would eventually grind down the USSR without lend lease from the USA maybe even push them back to the Urals, but the idea that Eastern Europe is just going to ‘give in’ doesn’t make sense. Without distractions in the west and Germany being even more dependent off looting everything not nailed down it’s abundantly clear to everyone that this is literally victory or death anyone willing to give in would be quickly ‘gotten rid of’. And even if Soviet military capabilities, or whichever state replaces them, is ground down to where they can only do low intensity conflict Germany stills falls apart within the decade. A tiny nation of 60 million which has already lost millions of their best soldiers simply can’t occupy that much territory even if the populace wasn’t trying to kill them at every turn. As Germany begins to waste resources implementing their delusional Eastern European plans, which they have even less of without the money taken from the rich west, things begin to fall apart, there isn’t enough money to pay everyone, run the factories, and garrison the money sink of Eastern Europe, especially with the likelihood of western sanctions for things like the Holocaust which the Allies did in fact know about. likely things crumble on until 48 or 49 where everything falls apart at once revolts happen all over EE and whatever Uralian rump state sweeps in to the rest of Eastern Europe, the military coups the nsdap and either invites the west in for whatever good terms they can get, or just keeps falling apart until the west just walks in to minimal German resistance and whatever territory they still have left in Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, etc.

    • @oilybat3269
      @oilybat3269 5 місяців тому +12

      Ikr that pissed me off too

    • @SomeDudeWhoIsntDead
      @SomeDudeWhoIsntDead 5 місяців тому +25

      99% sure this video solely exists for ph to prove he's not biased towards the ussr.

    • @srpekka9892
      @srpekka9892 5 місяців тому +29

      @@SomeDudeWhoIsntDead Well this isn't much better, as it's clearly biased towards Germany. The US Lend-Lease only accounted for 10% of Soviet production. Hitler also firmly believed that they just needed to "kick the door and the whole rotten structure will collapse". Germany's fatal mistake was underestimating the USSR's strenght, as they carried a massive undertaking relocating their entire industry to the Urals and out-produce the entire German economy by 1942. They didn't even equip the Wehrmacht with winter clothes as they genuinely thought they would have won by winter 1941.

    • @obnoxiousweeb9101
      @obnoxiousweeb9101 5 місяців тому +7

      @@SomeDudeWhoIsntDead
      I honestly don’t know who’d claim ph is biased in favor of the USSR. He seems to appeal mostly to wehrbs in his modern age videos lately

    • @aarontownsend2320
      @aarontownsend2320 5 місяців тому +4

      Oh brother we've got a chatterbox here

  • @Simonspacex
    @Simonspacex 5 місяців тому +4

    You need to keep this series going! This could be really interesting!

  • @ScuffTuff
    @ScuffTuff 5 місяців тому +32

    There was a huge debate to attack the western colonies or the Soviets in Japan at the time. I would very much assume that in a situation where Japan is still trading with the west and the Soviets are getting shit kicked by the Germans, they’d be far more likely to attack outer Manchuria and eastern Siberia. I doubt they attack the western colonies yet when the Soviets are in such a compromised position.

    • @InfernosReaper
      @InfernosReaper 5 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, definitely would be better to go after the Soviets, which would actually score them points with the west, while potentially opening up some more resources
      Also, without the drive to go to war with Germany, Japan becomes a less appealing foe for the West. In our timeline, war with Japan to exploit their alliance with Germany to get the war with Germany.
      In the presented timeline, no such motivation exists, because the Allies didn't go to war with Germany, but Germany did go to war against the Soviets, the perceived greater of 2 evils(in the presented timeline)

    • @waffleboywonder8868
      @waffleboywonder8868 5 місяців тому

      But There just isn't a good enough reason for Japan to attack the Soviets. The eastern half of Siberia small pockets of oil aside was not resourceful enough to fuel the japanese war effort especially if they really wanted to have a fleet that could compare to their western counterparts. They would also be fighting an enemy who both outnumbered them and had significantly better tech even worse the Soviets would no doubt help reinforce China and vice versa at least to some extent rendering Japan's own technological advantage over china useless. It makes way more sense for Japan even if they are still trading with allies to wait for the perfect moment to pounce on European positions in Asia. The territories have way more resources, they are lightly defended on account of Germany either capturing their mainlands or distracting them, and have people who are willing to aid Japan remove Europeans from the soil, and while you could argue that it's unfair to judge Japan on hindsight the axis still aren't winning if japan dose attack the soviets in fact i say it doubles japans chances of having its northern island being turned into a soviet puppet. The only way I see Japan attacking the Soviets over the Allies is if it's led by a particularly mentally ill leader not unlike Hitler.

    • @InfernosReaper
      @InfernosReaper 4 місяці тому +2

      @@waffleboywonder8868 If it's easy to take and already setup for use, why not go for it if you need it?

    • @waffleboywonder8868
      @waffleboywonder8868 4 місяці тому

      @@InfernosReaper But that's the thing it won't be easy to take contrary to popular Believe the Soviets had a significant force stationed near manchuria through out the duration of the war meaning its unlikely even early on that the japanese will be able to push far beyond Vladivostok and that's if they can even take the city. The japanese were significantly far behind the west and the soviets in terms of tech and didn't have the guns nor tanks to counter the soviets on a large front. Remember the only reason the japanese advanced as far as they did was because they attacked lightly defended territories the Europeans didn't want to and or couldn't reinforce not to mention most were islands that had little to no military presence to begin with in contrast by the time the allies defeated Germany and refocused on Japan the japanese could do little outside of hide in caves and fake surrender and especially on the soviet front the japanese were pushed back fast and hard. The only large front the japanese had success in was China and that was only because the Chinese were even farther behind in terms of tech. And of course there were the border clashes that the japanese lost so bad they begged for Stalin to sign a non aggression pact heck the japanese were so scared of the soviets they refused to fire at American boats carrying Soviet lend lease. Point is the japanese couldn't invade Siberia even if they wanted to and they knew it they hoped that Hitler could march through Russia so that they could jump in when the soviets were so weak it wouldn't matter but that wasn't going to ever happen hence no Siberian invasion.

    • @InfernosReaper
      @InfernosReaper 4 місяці тому +2

      @@waffleboywonder8868 They honestly weren't "significantly behind" though, at least not for most of what mattered
      Moreover, we're talking about in the scenario, not the real world. In the scenario, it's much more advantageous for the Japanese than it would've been in our timeline.

  • @NicoHert
    @NicoHert 4 місяці тому +2

    Great video! I really like the narration!

  • @rewriting-history
    @rewriting-history 5 місяців тому +33

    Just watched my older video on this topic. I'm glad I was able to figure some stuff out, but looking back at it, my ending was very bad. I agree with your interpretation way more. Keep uploading, so I can keep learning!

  • @567secret
    @567secret 5 місяців тому +22

    What if Edward Wood, 1st Earl of Halifax had accepted the British premiership? (as opposed to it going to Churchill)

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 5 місяців тому +6

    The opening was so cool ! Amazing 😊😊😊😊😊

  • @zooman_expeditions8984
    @zooman_expeditions8984 5 місяців тому +4

    Amazing I will definitely use this as one of my scenairos!

  • @marcorivignanivaccari1664
    @marcorivignanivaccari1664 5 місяців тому +65

    I think that another interesting scenario would be: What if Poland joins the axis?

    • @user-xe2sq8pq4b
      @user-xe2sq8pq4b 5 місяців тому +4

      It will be very similar scenario

    • @idk-xp7kj
      @idk-xp7kj 5 місяців тому

      That’s like saying « what if the jews sided with hitler? » my brother in Christ Poland is a Slavic country, hitler hated Slavs, why would Poland support a country that hates its existence ?

    • @juanon_industries7256
      @juanon_industries7256 5 місяців тому

      The only way for that is stalin going full goblin mode and reigniting polish-soviet war, meanwhile (somehow?) Germany declares war on the ussr for i guess ideological reasons?, the german-soviet border will only be in lithuania and (big) maybe in romania

    • @edelweiss7928
      @edelweiss7928 5 місяців тому +11

      That’s what Germany originally wanted, but Poland said no

    • @blobface7217
      @blobface7217 5 місяців тому +22

      It could never be a long term alliance due to german beleifs on lebensraum

  • @gr4vityjuli4n
    @gr4vityjuli4n 5 місяців тому +76

    I strongly believe that the German Economy (if they really focus on that department) can easily switch up from Military Technology and Weapons to more Industrialized and Economical Helping Areas.
    Weve seen it happening in our timeline with a much smaller and more reliant Germany so why not.

    • @Jackthecritic
      @Jackthecritic 5 місяців тому +19

      you forget that even by 1939, germany was starting to enter a debt crisis, its revenue was 62 billion but its expenditure was over 101 billion and only by plundering defeated nations were they able to avoid a debt crisis. A time of peace with no new nations to plunder would have seen these problems come to the forefront and the german economy likely would have collapsed.

    • @gr4vityjuli4n
      @gr4vityjuli4n 5 місяців тому +8

      @@Jackthecritic The German Economy also had those Problems to deal with after the War in our Timeline. They also dealt with that in our timeline and paid back the War Reparations in our Timeline (which probably wouldnt happen in this one but they did that in our).
      So no I did not forget that but its simply me basing it off the fact that a smaller and much more resource wise reliant Germany did it.
      Now a Germany with the grain Field of Ukraine and the Oil/Gas as well as Rare Earths in Russia? It should be possible.

    • @plasmakitten4261
      @plasmakitten4261 5 місяців тому +3

      A German peacetime economy could have been quite strong. The issue is one of ideology. Fascism demands continuous military expansion and conflict to strengthen the race, and thus literally cannot support an extended period of peace engaged in anything but military preparations.

    • @dragon723.
      @dragon723. 5 місяців тому

      @@plasmakitten4261 A savvy leader could probably have convinced his followers to focus on expansion into the new Lebensraum won from the untermenschen in the east. It would have taken centuries to actually replace the local population even with germanification of some.

    • @plasmakitten4261
      @plasmakitten4261 5 місяців тому +1

      @@dragon723. I dont really think Hitler was that guy tho. He was much more of a "we will destroy them!" leadership-through-extreme-violence type. And besides, the genocide and shit is gonna leak eventually.

  • @JustAnotherGuy-vx4po
    @JustAnotherGuy-vx4po 5 місяців тому +14

    Scenario Idea. What if the Hittite civilisation survived?

  • @JustJ_KK
    @JustJ_KK 5 місяців тому

    Less go have been waiting for this

  • @UdinJibral
    @UdinJibral 5 місяців тому +5

    I was surprised by the opening 🗿

  • @skeletonkeysproductionskp
    @skeletonkeysproductionskp 5 місяців тому +2

    Brilliant video, would love a Part 2!!! Appeasement ought to have either never been done, or else followed to its logical conclusion. Defending Czechoslovakia made far more sense than declaring war over Poland's invasion and then doing nothing about it.

  • @Britiainballvimxyl
    @Britiainballvimxyl 5 місяців тому +70

    What if history went perfect for Poland?

    • @toadsterer747
      @toadsterer747 5 місяців тому +4

      True

    • @ionutbogdanchis7250
      @ionutbogdanchis7250 5 місяців тому +1

      Oh this is a topic il love to hear

    • @Eliktro
      @Eliktro 5 місяців тому +2

      yes/tak

    • @poogmaster1
      @poogmaster1 5 місяців тому +2

      Best possible timeline is Piludski survives. Hitler really liked Piludski and was considering inviting Poland to an alliance if he lived

    • @shivanshna7618
      @shivanshna7618 5 місяців тому +1

      It will end with Poland having best space program in world with first person on moon be pzzvvcczvz kwolsjski from Krakow. So Poland can into space

  • @filberttheodorus3040
    @filberttheodorus3040 5 місяців тому +11

    honestly, if we look on the 1930's German economy that relying heavily on MEFO bills and territorial conquest, their economy is vulnerable. Hitler wanted to go to war with the Czech because he knew, his economic plan is not viable in long term peace time to fuel his unreasonable ambition. if the apeasement continue, which will not followed by the subject of the appeasement itself (Poland, Balkan Nation, Baltic nation, etc), considering all the nation surrounding Germany has already seen the fate of the Austrian and Czech, wich lead to early war that the German not prepared, and with this, I expect German economy will crumble faster, and Hitler popularity will not as high as in our timeline.

  • @Fish_Priest
    @Fish_Priest Місяць тому +2

    Well, this timeline excludes one, very important factor: british urge for balancing continental powers. Sooner or later, Germany would challenge UK and this is unacceptable, brits knew, that the painter have to be stopped and french army, if given enough time, would be prepared for that. Poland was only a casus belli, but in scale of great game, british-german conflict would be unavoidable and thus - described scenario unrealistic.

  • @Null_ify550
    @Null_ify550 5 місяців тому +4

    Great video as always I like narration you added and wish to see this in future videos

  • @BartoszLimanowski
    @BartoszLimanowski 5 місяців тому +52

    1:14 As a Pole, I say that Poland would probably side with the Germans in the war against Czechoslovakia and the Allies if the USSR tried to send a land army to Czechoslovakia, but if the Soviets had not joined the war, we would probably have been neutral until we accepted territorial offers from the Germans or from the allies just like the Italians during World War I, however, if the USSR joined the war to help Czechoslovakia, we would have to fight shoulder to shoulder with the Germans against the Soviets, because the Soviets' entry into Poland would end with Poland entering the Soviet zone.

    • @dmitrygerasimov7869
      @dmitrygerasimov7869 5 місяців тому +4

      In my opinion it would be no less poor strategical choice by polish government

    • @therealnuggetball
      @therealnuggetball 5 місяців тому +20

      ​@@dmitrygerasimov7869that is simply how polish foreign policy was in the intewar period... The giant nationalism blinded thier eye

    • @BartoszLimanowski
      @BartoszLimanowski 5 місяців тому +3

      @@dmitrygerasimov7869 Well letting Soviets go by the Polish lands could mean annexation of "Kresy" and it's Possible that Soviets could even do coup to take power from "Sanacja" goverment so if Soviets would tre to cross our borders we would have to fight against them at the side of Germans. In this situation, Romania would also have to maintain a defensive alliance with Poland against the USSR, so it would also form an alliance with Germany, although relations with Hungary would be difficult, but the Hungarians would probably get all of Slovakia instead of half of Transylvania, Unless a Soviet offensive managed to reach and save Czechoslovakia by taking over Lviv and surrondings.

    • @dmitrygerasimov7869
      @dmitrygerasimov7869 5 місяців тому +1

      @@BartoszLimanowski Keep in mind that in such a scenario, if the Allies and the Soviet Union supported the integrity of Czechoslovakia in response to German aggression, then the Wehrmacht generals and Abwehr officials would have attempted a coup against Hitler. In any case, in the end, in 1938, the German-Polish-Hungarian-Romanian alliance would not have stood a chance against the three strongest countries in Europe.

    • @dmitrygerasimov7869
      @dmitrygerasimov7869 5 місяців тому

      @@BartoszLimanowski By the way, as far as I remember, Romania also refused to let the Red Army through to save Czechoslovakia, but didn’t Romania and Czechoslovakia have mutual allied agreements then?

  • @scottwhailin2617
    @scottwhailin2617 5 місяців тому

    Would love to see a continuation of this. The alternate Cold War sounds fascinating

  • @againsttheleftandright4065
    @againsttheleftandright4065 4 місяці тому +6

    This video is extremely unrealistic for several reasons:
    1) If Britain didn't guarantee to intervene militarily against Germany, POLAND AND GERMANY WOULD NOT HAVE GONE TO WAR. Poland would cede Danzig, and the Germans might have used the opportunity to seize parts of the Polish Corridor. However, the Germans would be careful to not instigate a larger conflict with Poland. So, there would be no Soviet invasion of Poland, no Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and no occupation of Poland at large.
    2) Germany wanted Poland as a buffer state and potential ally against communism, which both the Germans and Poles viewed as a Jewish power. After Poland ceded Danzig, Germany would attempt to bring Poland into their alliance.
    3) The Western Allies did not care about Finland to the extent that the civilian populations of America, France and Britain did. Churchill would not have given much aid to Finland, and even if they did, no amount of aid would have led to a Finnish victory. Finland was too far away, while it was also right on the Russian border.
    4) There was most likely going to be a war with the USSR, so this part is correct. However, given that there was no western support in this timeline, a political collapse of the USSR is much more likely, rather than a military collapse.
    5) This video makes a massive error with suggesting that a post-War Germany would be economically weak with the potential for dissent and collapse. For a historical example, the USSR was nearly destroyed by WW2, had lost tens of millions of people, and was a multi-ethnic empire. Despite this, it took 5 decades of western sanction, proxy conflicts, and propaganda for the USSR to collapse. Germany would have none of these problems. It would be a homogenous German nation, it would have lost only a few million people with the civilian population mostly unaffected, would have plenty of access to food, and would have an extremely popular and efficient government.

    • @AFGuidesHD
      @AFGuidesHD 4 місяці тому +1

      "This video makes a massive error with suggesting that a post-War Germany would be economically weak with the potential for dissent and collapse."
      Yes, these alternate history channels always have to shovel this rubbish in lol. For political reasons they can't possibly say that actually the standard of living would be very high and everything would be great, just as it was for post war America IOTL. If Commie Russia didn't collapse, then Germany certainly wasn't going to either.

  • @22LongRifle
    @22LongRifle 5 місяців тому +12

    Can you make a "What if everything went PERFECT for Japan" video?

  • @ethanfranzen8684
    @ethanfranzen8684 Місяць тому

    I would love a continuation of this scenario!

  • @orgluzman561Peace_IL_PS
    @orgluzman561Peace_IL_PS 5 місяців тому +5

    can i ask Possible History what about the last poll you did on the versailles peace treaty it's a was month already?

  • @lmaocetung
    @lmaocetung 5 місяців тому +24

    1:14 Poland would probably join the war on the side of Germany. Polish-czechoslovakian relationship were absolutely horrible at that time because of Zaolize. Poland was one of the countries that carved up Czechoslovakia during the Munich crisis and many polish politicians adored Hitler

    • @gengarzilla1685
      @gengarzilla1685 5 місяців тому +9

      And risk being labelled an enemy by the interventionist west? That's basically suicide. Poland would rather join the Allies side if that region could be ceded as compensation for Polish involvement.

    • @lmaocetung
      @lmaocetung 5 місяців тому +3

      @@gengarzilla1685 that's a fair point. I just wanted to point out that if Britain and France had not defended Czechoslovakia, then Germany, Hungary and Poland would attack it. I simply don't like the popular idea that Poland was some kind of Germany's nemesis because it was too showing its very expansionist and imperialist tendencies

    • @Darwidx
      @Darwidx 3 місяці тому

      Poland was basically stronger Belarus in the 30'. They're would try to Expander They're territory but would never do anything They're big ally, for Belarus It's Russia, but for 30' Poland it was France and UK, Poland would never side with enemy of UK and France with They're historical path. Siding with Germany for any big war wouldn't be possible if there were other options, Polish government choice a war with a huge population loss over that siding with German on the Gdańsk corridor, so Poles could grab closest Polish speaking regions, nothing more.

    • @leestewart72
      @leestewart72 2 місяці тому

      Belarus could've been given to the Poles.

    • @SillyUwUBilly
      @SillyUwUBilly 2 місяці тому

      ​@@lmaocetungXF

  • @MakriaMicronation
    @MakriaMicronation 5 місяців тому +4

    6:02 hearing the British celebrate about a German victory in the 1940s is the most cursed thing ever😭😭😭💀💀💀

  • @mr.originality1005
    @mr.originality1005 5 місяців тому

    Very interesting I gotta say. I guess this video could also be titled what if the Allies focused on the Soviets instead of the Germans in the 30’s and 40’s or something along those lines. Great video, and great alternate history you’ve made

  • @muhammadhabibieamiro3639
    @muhammadhabibieamiro3639 5 місяців тому +1

    Another amazing video

  • @Jackson-uq9qg
    @Jackson-uq9qg 5 місяців тому +3

    Germany: I want London
    Britain: Okay but final conquest

  • @peekdan
    @peekdan 5 місяців тому

    we need a part 2 for this

  • @johnburn8031
    @johnburn8031 5 місяців тому +1

    I'm a subscriber! 🙋🏻‍♂️

  • @Tom-jg9de
    @Tom-jg9de 5 місяців тому +1

    Good stuff sir

  • @spartanalex9006
    @spartanalex9006 5 місяців тому

    Reminds me of an idea I had for a Scenario I called The War that Came Late. Basically the War started in the Mid 40s as an excuse to play with late and post war toys.
    Bit ASB, but I had fun with it.

  • @KCAerospace
    @KCAerospace 5 місяців тому +4

    There should be a continuation to this ngl.

  • @jes3d
    @jes3d 5 місяців тому

    i love the microphone

  • @N_002PL
    @N_002PL 5 місяців тому +1

    i REALLY want a part 2 to this

    • @user-xe2sq8pq4b
      @user-xe2sq8pq4b 5 місяців тому +2

      To be honest, it is very difficult to predict what will happen next. Will France and Britain intervene in the coming civil war in the Third Reich? which warlord will unite Ukraine? which warlord will unite Belarus? which warlord will unite the Baltics? Which warlord will unite Central Asia? it's all very unpredictable

  • @babbagecabbage9249
    @babbagecabbage9249 5 місяців тому +12

    What if everything went perfect for Spain? (I think this would be most interesting if you start at the war of Spanish Succession)

  • @AidenKetchum
    @AidenKetchum 26 днів тому

    How do you make the maps in your videos?

  • @brawlstarsdoge
    @brawlstarsdoge 5 місяців тому

    pog, a possible history video

  • @matthiuskoenig3378
    @matthiuskoenig3378 Місяць тому +1

    @Possible History
    What if the sudentenland was given to Germany in the Munich argeement but it was declared a demilitarised zone for the German army with the Czech army still allowed to deploy there. Ie it was only a civilian transfer and the military borders remained the same?

  • @Jacob13044
    @Jacob13044 2 місяці тому

    How do you make your maps they're amazing

  • @fr0ntend
    @fr0ntend 5 місяців тому +6

    Do a video on: "Was WW2 overall good or bad for the USSR"?
    WW2 caused:
    enormous death toll of the country
    a ton of land gained once the war was over
    basically ownership of half of germany, poland, all of romania and hugnary
    a good grip on an international scale
    a lot of destruction of the country
    animosity between the communists and the west
    Was it overall good or bad for ussr?

    • @FodaseNaoLigo
      @FodaseNaoLigo 5 місяців тому

      Pretty mildly, ussr lost many man buy they gained a superpower position , but if germany never invaded ussr they will invade germany and gain influence anyways, causing less destruction

  • @PalauBallEdits
    @PalauBallEdits 5 місяців тому

    Continue the empires series! It is so exciting!

  • @holyblee618
    @holyblee618 5 місяців тому +2

    Great usage of ai voices, hopefully you will use it more in the next videos ❤

  • @brenoecb8506
    @brenoecb8506 5 місяців тому +5

    could you please continue this scenario into the cold war?

  • @KCAerospace
    @KCAerospace 5 місяців тому +3

    The vintage narrator sounds perfect. Good job!

  • @weiss7002
    @weiss7002 5 місяців тому +2

    Idea: What if the Decembrist Revolt in 1825 succeeded?

  • @gintautassickus6390
    @gintautassickus6390 5 місяців тому +2

    When's the next viewer poll video?

  • @juancarloslara576
    @juancarloslara576 5 місяців тому

    can you do one more video about this scenario?

  • @polakbeznazwy
    @polakbeznazwy 5 місяців тому +8

    What if everything went perfect for Poland???

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro 5 місяців тому

      Ironically it did...

    • @mrvoice3436
      @mrvoice3436 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@TheRezroI wouldn't describe losing your entire country for 200 years as "perfect"

  • @joaojonito3764
    @joaojonito3764 5 місяців тому +1

    When late medieval/early modern empire video coming?

  • @xamixadze
    @xamixadze 5 місяців тому +2

    Video idea: what if the Oster Conspiracy happened?

  • @Cassertte
    @Cassertte 5 місяців тому +1

    When will the video about the viewers deciding the borders of post ww1 be released?

  • @GigaChad777-cy7og
    @GigaChad777-cy7og 5 місяців тому +1

    Unrelated but: What do you think about Russian ball mappers kaiserwelt series?

  • @Mrhikingbear139
    @Mrhikingbear139 5 місяців тому

    Please do the scenario: What if everything went perfectly for Napoleon!!!!!!!
    Love your stuff. Kærlighed fra DK

  • @radored7750
    @radored7750 5 місяців тому +1

    Great video

  • @bordigotto6603
    @bordigotto6603 5 місяців тому +3

    I think the axis would divide Yugoslavia before invading the USSR if they saw the West were not intervening, bringing Bulgaria into the alliance in the process

  • @saalok
    @saalok 5 місяців тому

    I was thinking this the other day, neat.

  • @joecreek6038
    @joecreek6038 5 місяців тому +1

    Did you change your mic settings?

  • @Oobacadooba
    @Oobacadooba 5 місяців тому

    Can't wait for Late Midieval Empires video! Hope you had a good break PH

  • @oyungogdfrust4136
    @oyungogdfrust4136 5 місяців тому +1

    i love how this is just tno but the allies are unaffected and the japanese are crushed

  • @Bluesonofman
    @Bluesonofman 5 місяців тому +2

    Czechia was not annexed, they where vassalized as the former leader of Czechoslovakia now just Czechia as Slovakia basically considered themselves independent (until Hungary made moves against them) was desperate for protection and Hitler was the only one willing to provide it on the condition that former Austrian industry was returned to Germany.

    • @tommort8360
      @tommort8360 3 місяці тому

      czechoslovakia was annexed, some deal with hitler was just a show because when this deal wasnt even done german army was alredy on czechoslovak territory.

    • @Bluesonofman
      @Bluesonofman 3 місяці тому

      @@tommort8360 Czechoslovakia no longer existed by the time the Czech state was absorbed into Germany. It was reestablished by the Soviet Union. During the entirety of WW2 there was no Czechoslovakian nation. Only Czechia and Slovakia as separate political entities.

  • @InfernosReaper
    @InfernosReaper 5 місяців тому +2

    It's weird Japan wouldn't take advantage of the crumbling situation with the Soviets to score Siberia and improve their image in the eyes of the West

  • @DominicMiney
    @DominicMiney 5 місяців тому +1

    I need a part 2

  • @Finn_the_Cat
    @Finn_the_Cat 3 місяці тому +1

    Remember if the allies are at peace with germany they can send supplies through the baltic with impunity, the main issue with it was it would be attacked in the baltic especially if it was the soviets and germans at once but with only the soviets it should be manageable

    • @Finn_the_Cat
      @Finn_the_Cat 3 місяці тому +1

      Also because heightened allied intervention the soviets would likely cal it a war of liberating the Finns against the western tyranny because their defense is thanks to western support, irl the Finns made it clear there was no liberation because they resisted on their own but here the idea is tangible by saying the western forces are proping up their government so it would likely be more decisive than in our timeline

  • @abrvalg321
    @abrvalg321 5 місяців тому +4

    It's a big stretch that USSR would achieve nothing in Finland and just collapse against Germany.

    • @GaemingStudios
      @GaemingStudios 5 місяців тому +2

      The Finland one yeah but the Germany one is pretty obvious

    • @b3ygghsas
      @b3ygghsas 3 місяці тому

      I wouldn't be so sure, one of the main reasons that caused finland to cede their territories to the USSR was the lack of oil, in this timeline they have a lot of support from the west

    • @abrvalg321
      @abrvalg321 3 місяці тому

      @@b3ygghsas Finland had support irl.

    • @b3ygghsas
      @b3ygghsas 3 місяці тому

      @@abrvalg321 He said in the video that finaldn got a lot more support in this timeline and even volunteers

    • @abrvalg321
      @abrvalg321 3 місяці тому

      @@b3ygghsas did you study history at all or just propaganda from reddit?
      irl Finland got 12k volunteers, 350 planes, 500 howitzers, 100k rifles, 160mln bullets, 2,5 mln shells.

  • @tanarur4707
    @tanarur4707 5 місяців тому +1

    What if Franz Ferdinand became Franz II? I though about this scenario a lot and I think it would be the Catholic pipe dream (he wanted to reorganise Austria Hungary federally in a Catholic centered and not German culture centered way). It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this.

  • @akiramasashi9317
    @akiramasashi9317 5 місяців тому +5

    Here's one for you, what if Operation Valkyrie had succeeded?

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro 5 місяців тому

      British would cry. That was worst option.

  • @nideor
    @nideor 5 місяців тому +3

    What if the Entente powers won WW1 please!

  • @therealnuggetball
    @therealnuggetball 5 місяців тому +1

    Maybe a longer: what if Czechoslovakia didn't concede to the German demands

  • @fox_rblx9391
    @fox_rblx9391 5 місяців тому +1

    I got jumpscared at the begining

  • @Blundabus1337
    @Blundabus1337 5 місяців тому +2

    Allies be like "we did it, we saved poland!"
    and then give them to a worse dictator, lol.

  • @buni1934
    @buni1934 5 місяців тому +3

    Acting like the allies were not aware of german crimes against humanity Is a good joke

  • @barkankirecci6939
    @barkankirecci6939 5 місяців тому

    Looks nice. Btw what happaned to ww1 treaty we did?

  • @philip556
    @philip556 5 місяців тому +1

    Was this video inspired by that one post on r/imaginarymaps

  • @dividewalker5673
    @dividewalker5673 5 місяців тому +2

    Oh jesus christ no, this looks like it's going to be painful...

  • @MrOceMcCool
    @MrOceMcCool 3 місяці тому +2

    This is like a really weird version of TNO and TWR.

  • @onlyagermanguy
    @onlyagermanguy 5 місяців тому +3

    Correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure the Allies were completely aware of Germany's Crimes. They just didn't care or didn't wanted to cause a conflict over that

    • @edelweiss7928
      @edelweiss7928 5 місяців тому +4

      They never committed any crimes

    • @onlyagermanguy
      @onlyagermanguy 5 місяців тому +1

      @@edelweiss7928 Piss of edge lord

    • @saintaclaws1957
      @saintaclaws1957 2 місяці тому

      What crimes, the night of the long knives?

  • @user-zt1bu3qu4p
    @user-zt1bu3qu4p 5 місяців тому +1

    Can you please make a video on what if the three cousins (Tsar Nicolas the 2nd, Kaiser Wilhelm the 2nd, and King George the 5th,) (Russia, Germany and the U.K.) allied together in WW1 against (for example) France, Austria, Italy, and the Ottomans. I know it's kinda unrealistic, you can change stuff around to your liking of course and I believe it would be a good video idea, but not impossible for Possible History!

  • @wargamesmaster
    @wargamesmaster 5 місяців тому +2

    What if Eastern Rome was able to resist the Rashidun Califate and keep the levant & Egypt?

  • @KCAerospace
    @KCAerospace 5 місяців тому +2

    I just saw this 30 seconds ago lol.

  • @MYLES221
    @MYLES221 5 місяців тому

    The intro voice 😭😭😭😭

  • @ASTER_GEO
    @ASTER_GEO 5 місяців тому +2

    Hitlie successor would be Speer(TNO REFERENCE)

  • @pahtar7189
    @pahtar7189 Місяць тому

    What if the Vikings had succeeded in settling Vinland? I think it would require a change of mindset such that they didn't discount the notion of learning from indigenous people, and perhaps allying with them.

  • @plexusGD
    @plexusGD 5 місяців тому +2

    What if the constantinople conference was accepted and the 1877 russo turkish war doesn't happen?

  • @ironzombie3987
    @ironzombie3987 5 місяців тому +3

    What if everything went perfect for Italy?

  • @franrobert80
    @franrobert80 5 місяців тому

    Can you continue with the Chinese civil war video?

  • @Unknown-uz9qg
    @Unknown-uz9qg 5 місяців тому

    PART TWO PLEASE