AAA Gaming is Failing
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- Опубліковано 19 лют 2024
- AAA Gaming is in a rough spot and keep failing release after release.
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I'm curious about your guys perspective on this. This is what I'm seeing recently and I wanted to talk about it. Also, I hear now that the music is a bit loud on this one. Finally switched FULLY to Davinci Resolve and this is the first video from that switch. Will get it figured it out for you guys!
Hello!
It's funny because Helldivers and Palworld are exactly the lazy pieces of shit that people shit on when they are released by a triple A company.
Am I imagining it or is it every single one of these YT videos praising HD2 always playing sub level 7 difficulty?
I enjoy HD2 with friends but game has much more issues youtubers miss and mostly don't mention cause alot of 'em play it shortly and don't experience true state of the game... Like enemy spawning right behind you 1 sec as you turn camera or spawn on top of you, spawn 3 titans/10+ chargers/10+spitters/ton of fodder in ~30seconds, constant crashes, only light armor worth using because other armor doesn't provide described bonuses, only few weapons/stratagems worth using, performance hits with every patch, progression (rss gain) not being tracked, etc...
This to me is almost same as any AAA release, unfinished product thrown out for the masses to bug test instead of going Early Access release and fixing most of the issues there. Them having low prices in MTX store and that single thing override all the other issues is baffling.
And don't get me started on all the 🦜s constantly saying: "They are suffering from success!" while they have a deal with Sony that indicates Sony had trust this game would do well yet devs pocketed the money and got "surprised" by player count.
Hey on the topic of Hell Divers 2, why don't you talk about the invasive Anti-cheat? That's what keeping me and a lot of other players from playing the game. I would like to play the game but I'm not installing malware to play it. Hell one of the devs made a reddit post doubling down on the AC saying that everyone does it. I'm sorry but they have the backing of Playstation and you're telling me that they couldn't afford better servers and a more secure Anti-cheat that's not a rootkit for a PVE game. If we're gonna call out AAA games for laziness, then it should be the same for AA. Especially when it comes to invasion of privacy. The fact that people are sweeping it under the rug is disgusting. UA-camrs that I thought had integrity have really disappointed me in this situation.
AAA games are pretty bad at this point, I hate it, Helldivers 2 looks good, Palworld is fun, and anything Indie seems to be doing good compared to AAA
Who knew if you made a good game, you would be financially rewarded?
We've been SAYING that lol!
"Suprise Pikachu face"
Mind blowing right
Apparently…none of the AAA companies
And reasonably priced and a premium edition for $60 🤯
It's funny that Ubisoft is boasting how AAAA games are the future only to be upstaged by mid budget games like Helldivers 2. Hi-fi Rush was one of the first to show that AA games can be very sucessful.
“QUADRUPLE AAAAAAAAAAYYYYY”
- Known sex pest Yeves Guillmont (I don’t care if I spelled his name wrong. Slimy fuck ain’t worth it)
Hi-fi Rush is underrated. A very fun rhythm game
@@sandcrakesI've been enjoying cyberpunk as of late
@@1andOnlyKB Me too, but can't buy Phantom Liberty this month. Gotta settle some debt
@@sandcrakes phantom liberty is phenomenal, when you do decide to buy it start a new playthrough, half way through the story you can play the dlc, that way you can go back and forth instead of just playing the dlc after you finish the game
I was in a Target and saw a Skull & Bones video game case and was like “whoa, this game looks cool what’s it about?” My brother says “it’s a ubisoft game” and I immediately lost all interest.
You dodged a bullet. It’s trash.
Ubisoft always releases unfinished games.
Get black flag instead.
@@jacques8823black flag sucks 😂
Its not just a Ubisoft game, its a Ubisoft "Original" 🤣
One of the biggest selling points to me with AAA games used to be the fidelity of the graphics. But Graphics have largely been so normalized across the board now that that selling point just doesn't matter as much anymore.
'I have been saying for years, the games with best graphics are all so good now, it's going to be difficult to distinguish a game on that alone. As it relates to VR, as an example, the first 10 titles you played, it was so amazing to look around in every direction and feel like you're in a different dimension or place. But after a while, that novelty wears off to an extent, and the game itself better have some content behind it.
On top of that, graphics doesn't equal a game's quality, and I'm glad more people are realising it.
Heck, GradeAUnderA stated the very same thing 7 years ago.
Minecraft, ULTRAKILL, Undertale and Lethal Company (the list goes on) don't have the most prettiest graphics in the world, but they manage to be more fun than the most beautiful recent AAA games.
honestly graphics from AAA have been pretty shit lately. think of the average ubisoft or EA game that's just... muddy.
i love EA WRC but it looks like sub 1080 on ps5. everything has a blurry muddy look to it
Pretty graphics only get you so far. It’s what you do with them. There are plenty of games that have beautiful visuals but the world you’re in feels lifeless, empty, and barren. It’s keeping you from immersing yourself. Think of games like BG3, RDR2, and other titles where the art team has focused so much on making that world feel alive around you.
graphics dont matter that much. good enough graphics and good performance is what matters. i dont need an ultra realistic top graphics game that runs like shit. also graphics are behind gameplay, its the most important part
Lethal company, hell let loose, and Hell divers have been the most fun. Ive had in a really long time in gaming
So many people Leaving out Lethal Company... LC, Hell Let Loose, Helldivers 2, Palworld, Baldurs gate 3 are changing the gaming industry and people are taking notice, its a beautiful change to the $60-$70 bullshit we get fed every year/other year. Glad these companies are benefiting from it as well, as most of these companies are so much smaller than AAA.
Hell let loose was beyond epic. Absolutely loved that game. Helldivers is just as epic if not more. These have been my favorite games in the last decade basically.
Yeah I’ve been playing Hell Let Loose a lot recently
RIP Hell Let Loose man that game was so fun
@@bcav712 what happened? I’m a fairly new player to that game.
Larian Studios = privately owned
Pocket Pair = privately owned
Keen Games = privately owned
Arrowhead Studios = privately owned
See the pattern here?
Competition is good.
Helldivers 2 is published by Sony like the first game. It's a privately owned studio but its games aren't indie
To be fair, Helldivers 2 is a Sony funded game of a Sony ip,
Means it's harder to get infiltrated by woke activists.
@@paranoidpanzerpenguin5262 Indie games having a publisher doesn't make them non-indie though.
small studio with passionate developers releases a major hit --> studio goes public and offers shares --> investors buy shares, with the prospect of getting part of the money that the studio earns in the future --> studio gets more money from those investors and hires more people (who are not passionate, but are looking for a well paid job at a successful studio) --> shareholders demand profits, increase work load on the employees so there is no room for creativity and passion --> passionate developers leave the company --> voilà, you have another AAA studio that has no interest in producting good games but only cares about money
You forgot the next step. -> small studio with passionate developers releases a major hit. Genuinely creative people that want to make a good game will exist somewhere in some form and we’ll still keep getting something great every once in a while
This the pattern I have been overthinking. I swear, some of these indie devs might soon become one like those AAA peeps.
@@kolossis8283 might very well happen indeed, or they get investors that believe in their product and settle for the profits they get. It’s not all about maximizing revenue, sometimes it can be passive income and trust in a company.
Besides that.. not all companies sell out if it means trade in creative freedom. Like with all art, you can make a masterpiece with the most basic of supplies, more resources don’t equate to a better product, it’s the hands of the artist to create amazing stuff, wether it be with a tight budget or an unlimited one.
True. Sad but true😢
Well when the multiplayer skins in "Modern Warfare" or "World War II" games end up looking like bright fairies on crack flying around the map you know something is wrong there.
i fucking hate that about cod. not to mention there dogshit 20 tick servers, poor optimization, shit audio and taking to much memory off my pc
Activision made arguably the best ww2 game, world at war
Where's *that* Activision
Exactly! So annoying. I've been a loyal COD customer for a while, but it has gotten so egregious. I hopped on after a couple weeks of not gaming with other stuff in life coming up and was greeted by a constant flow of colorful, odd characters wielding swords. There were melee characters and rainbow operators constantly and I was just so bored with it. It used to be that you'd get some reprieve from all the goofy camos and operators and metas for a couple months when a new COD came out but now that reprieve only lasts a few days at most.
I remember when when MW 2019 first came out my friends and I were impressed with how "realistic", or at least grounded the skins for the game were. By the time the next game came out it was like a costume party. But we should have seen that one coming tbh.
I see someone else made the same point 😅
The thing that I love about Helldivers 2 is that they confirmed there won’t be a PvP mode, despite the fact that they know it would draw in more players. They’re sticking to their guns and making the game THEY want.
Honestly PvP would just ruin the game entirely. It would be a complete 180 turn from what the game itself is originally about. I’m glad the Devs are doubling down on it. And who knows, maybe the PvP community will learn to appreciate just how true Democracy can be.
@@nairobi8056What if you play as a team of Managed Democrats and a team of Hectic Communists as a mode for PvP? It would make sense as the HellDivers are all about Democracy. Maybe make the Communists something called ChaosComrades.
There is a pvp in the game it called teamkilling by accident because one of your friends was using a weapon that can kill you if your Nearby
@@Wedge_The_Almighty it wouldn’t make sense in the context of the game, since every country is united and is fighting for democracy.
Just like a wise person said “If you have time to fight each other, You have time to fight for Democracy!”
@@PeppinSpaghett. Oh, my bad. I haven’t played the game yet, but am interested. Just an idea though.
One thing that genuinely surprised me more then it should’ve was the free battlepass. It’s crazy how there are 2 passes in the game and if u wanna buy the other one u can just play the game and unlock it rather than the game forcing u to pay
And it’s not filled with crap. Like actually cool looking armor and weapons.
@@crylec6534Yeah and they aren’t just skins either they have perks
Thats what makes the game fun for me. I dont want to spend money on a videogame i already bought
Bro that’s what I liked about the original overwatch and the cosmetics. you got the shit just for playing the game
I’ve noticed as well that a lot of the games that are doing well are also PVE games gamers are sick of playing and being beaten by sweaty players who only play the games like cod, fortnight, battlefield we just want to have fun
It's nice being able to decide that I'm not feeling like an aimbot today, and turn the difficulty down.
"Sweaty players"
People are only deemed sweaty when you get shit on. Maybe get good?
@@Digger-Nick most of use have jobs and live lives, video games are not something we can afford to do 12 hours a day, 7 days a week like you
@@jordangavagan-forde1137 Buddy there are people in league of legends who have played for 10 years and are still iron or bronze.
Time played does not correlate to skill, nice deflection though.
You just simply aren't good at video games and that's ok, but don't call other people sweaty just because you suck lol
@@Digger-Nick my point is people play games for fun not everyone want to play competitive games like you nothing wrong with that if I’m in the mood to play games like CSGO I’ll play it but you can’t deny people are shifting towards single player/ cooperative games because the PVP is needs something fresh and not another battle royal game it just seems like every company feels the need to make one when it’s a fad they want to jump on. You can disagree but you don’t need to be disagreeable
Biggest issue with new AAA games is that they have no passion no heart put into them and then they slap on a $70 price tag. These AA games are made by developers who care and have passion.
FF7 Rebirth, Alan Wake 2, Elden Ring, GOW Ragnarok, and tears of the kingdom (to name only 5 of MANY) don't have passion or heart?
@@anonymousperson8903named 5 out of 30 AAA games that dropped dummy
@@anonymousperson8903No they don’t. They only put passion in the graphics.
@@jmelz155 You're actually insane if you think that. Either that or you haven't played these games.
Oh add Armored Core 6, Tekken 8, and Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth to my list of great recent AAA titles.
@@jmelz155 tears of the kingdom isnt even that realistic, what are you talking about?
Remember before those Big corps becomes the giant names we know & hate today, many of them all have a humble start with just a few enthusiastic programmers who just loves creating games.
So it's not just the falling of those big studios, it's just an end of the current cycle - the giants fall, and the new ones rise until they becomes the next giants.
Sadly, this is correct.
right on, this will never end. every market faces this since forever
Except fromsoft. They'll probably be good forever.
@@anthonycrayne2835 yup their design philosophy is in favor of the consumer.
Capitalism create competitive market
Don’t forget Lethal Company which released late October 2023 for $20 with one main developer, the last 6 months have been a boom for indie games!
lethal company is 10 dollars not 20
That game just outsold the latest Call of Duty at one point. So yea, Indies rule!
I could recommend sooooo many amazing indies if anyone wants any
@@sarcasmgod8430go on…
@@mechapope9168 they might be australian
Watching BigFry go from "it is so over" to "we are so back" in real time is crazy, you love to see it.
00:39
I laughed out loud at the fact that you cut away right before you hit the sheep.
Haha same
Its almost like taking 80% of earnings to line pockets of managers and shareholders makes people feel like that they are paying for a sub-par experience. Crazy how that works
I'm triggered that so many people forget the feat BattleBit acomplished in 2023
Roblox battlefield?
I friggin love that game.
Because it's fun
which goes to show graphics are not the essence of a game.
Enjoyment is
Bro I was just on that game lol
BattleBit accomplished in 2023?? you mean to lose 90% of players?
@@deangregoric4735 it was never gonna keep them for long. It's still in Early Access. I think a lot of players will come back when it fully releases, myself included. Also it's a game with no microtransactions, people bought it, that's all it needed to be successful.
@@achillesa5894 Absolutely no one thats worth anything will go back to battlebit
This is why I'm starting my own game development. Galactic Dream Studios got a game in the works called Project Sparrow. Soon, we'll have a social media platform and will share more as it goes. Me and my buddy is here at Full Sail University with backgrounds of game design, game development, game art, is all in it to make game that you guys would enjoy add games that bring you emotion and actual feeling not numbness like Call of Duty or Battlefield!
Good luck!
@@ChoomGuy thank you!!
You got this
What's the theme of the game? I have some spare cash on hand, and I would love to check it out.
@@H0MERLANDER it's not out yet in the Project's name is called project Sparrow I'll come back here and tag you once I have my social media platforms up including a Discord if you would like to join and follow along with the progress. It's not going to be expensive the cost I'm trying to keep low for my first game but the quality be really high sort of like how a helldivers is. What is a very story driven game I'll release bits and pieces in the future as now I'm currently working on getting the studio officially in llc.
Helldivers is a live service game tho.
I really love live service games when done right.
I've been avoiding AAA games like a plague for the better part of a decade now, only getting a handful of titles on a sale because I wanted to play with my friends who play them. I've been way more interested in the indie market, where you can always find new games that put AAA to shame not just by being more fun and more creative, but also releasing it in a playable state, and all that on a shoestring budget. I'm really happy for games like helldivers and palworld making a big splash in the mainstream and showing the gaming community what gems we can get if we refuse to settle for less.
You're speaking my language with the sale price aspect. I am at a point in my life that I could pay full price for all my purchases and not miss it (as most of us likely could), but I still won't. Even in my Quest library where the games are generally cheaper, of the 25-30 or so games I own, I paid full price for maybe 1-2 of them.
To be fair, there are plenty of great Triple AAA games still releasing, just a lot of them aren't western games lol. FromSoft has been killing it with each release since Dark Souls. Yakuza games are beloved. Monster Hunter is amazing, you can easily pump 600 hours into the game because it's filled with to the brim with fun gameplay and tons of content.
@@yellowcard8100 you're right, I should have been more specific. I never found yakuza interesting and souls like isn't my preffered genre, but I'll probably get elden ring. You speak my language with monster hunter though, I've put like 400 hours into world and I can't wait for Wilds to come out.
Capcom has been going crazy for like a few years before they dropped a bomb on their games a few months ago
I enjoyed re4re so much it's such an amazing game
If you haven't tried the Yakuza games, you're missing out.
In Helldivers 2 I actually have fun.
Even if I just play one mission, it feels like an action movie.
Its so fucking good. It is blowing my mind. They have microtransactions. Hell they have weapons locked behind the upgraded edition battlepass. But, if you want that, the game is still only 60 bucks, you can find the currency needed for the armor in game and, they made such a good game I am absolutely okay with giving them extra money
@@kelsonlewis9252the store can also be grinded for 1000 super creds
I have 700 after 25 hours of steam playtime (probably closer to 20 hours of actual game time because of the servers)
@@kelsonlewis9252
Me personally, I never minded micros.
My only beef is if they’re shoved down my throat.
And the armors they sell are like $5-$10 and to me that’s not bad
@@oneframegames2963ye the helms and armors are $2.50 each eat most it’s awesome
It's crazy to how helldivers is like 22 gigs total when these trippe A games are literally almost 100 gigs and still can't deliver
maybe it's because I bought it later, 25th(?) of last month, or maybe it's a larger size on pc, but it's the biggest game I have installed right now at 74.05 gigs. Cyberpunk 2077 is 61.38
I used to be a solo dev and my app was acquired, brought onto a team and that IP was used as the basis to create the 2.0 of the app, with a larger team everything became more expensive, and everything was also slower, what I was able to do in an afternoon now takes meetings and PR reviews and standup discussions, something that is 20 lines of code could take days to implement. There are a lot of perks to having a team of course, we're still small and relatively agile, but I can only see this get worse exponentially with team size and number of people with fingers in the cookie jar.
If you have all rounded skills to do everything, just do it, make the game you want to make and sell it, give Steam or Meta the 30% and keep the rest (minus server costs if you're doing MP), the reason why these AAAAA games need to have so much monetization system in place is it's simply impossible to feed a team of 500 very highly paid devs and various levels of managers with traditional waterfall models that just sells one copy of one game by the end of years long development, but if your game is just like a few dudes like BattleBit, Minecraft in its early days, Valheim, you cut through all the bullshit and just get to building the experience your users care about. Games should be made by a few people who care, not corporations.
As more indie games and AA games set records and milestones, i am reminded of that tweet saying that BG3 was an oddity and we ahouldnt expect that from ither studios. That tweet is aging even better with indie hit.
Yeah I loved that tweet. Which AAA studio said that again? 🤣
@@TheTrueFeleas It was either Ubisoft or Bungie lol I remember those two seething the hardest when BG3 dropped
@@infamousthethird Thanks, my goodness was that a funny time when it happened.
Yeah, shouldn't expect anything good from the garbage legacy "AAA" studios, and they know it.
Don't forget the one employee from Guerilla Games who was bitching about how Elden Ring went against the standardized hand holdy open world formula and yet managed to do better than the latest Horizon game and got Game of the Year.
these big game companies have forgot the number one rule of games... they should be fun. so many games while having fun aspects are riddles with chores, mechanics that tries to drive you to buy MTX and literally no effort in trying to innovate into making a good and fun game.
since all they care about is money and "engagement" they turn everything into a chore, and usually not even with a fun little mini-game, just genuinely tedious crap
@@ironclad4451 Its no wonder people say gaming feels like a job when its designed to feel that way on purpose.
Hades 2 and whatever id software is working on are all I’m really like actually keeping my eye on.
i'm sure whatever id is going to drop will be a banger but i'm really hoping it's a quake game
Hades 2 is going to be insane and I’m very excited for it. I’m fully ok with them taking their sweet time on it.
Hades 2 is gonna be NUTS
Shadow of the ertree
Maybe I just started getting actual friends to play online with and have actually been paying attention to new games, but.. ever since Lethal Company blew up, I’ve been seeing this same trend, Lethal Company to Palworld, Palworld to Helldivers 2. My only fear is the actual longevity of these games.. many of my friends have become burnt out with Lethal Company, and I feel as though Palworld has disappeared as soon as it appeared. Remember Buckshot Roulette? That was popular for all of 3 days before it disappeared (which is more understandable considering it’s a one and done experience.)
We’re making great strides as a consumer base, but I really do fear that this trend of spectacular new games becoming abandoned by the mainstream is ultimately going to be massively detrimental to us in the future.
I think it's just generally harder for indie games to stand the test of time. I mean Minecraft and Stardew Valley have consistent and solid player bases, but I do agree with your statement. These titles blowing up seem to be short lived, and tbh I'm not quite sure how Hell Divers will stand, but I think Hell Divers 2 has what it takes to be a long term hit
Lethal Company still has a decent playerbase, Palworld is a single player game and those eventually exhaust themselves when there's nothing left to do...
It's less so about them being forgotten and more so about no longer being new. You don't see hundreds of videos about RE4 Remake, BG3 and so on nowadays, right?
No longer being even on the soup doesn't mean that it stops having a fanbase and that people stopped playing to NEVER come back even if it gets updated.
@@theultimatefusion7265 Fair point. I suppose these days people see relevancy as how often they'll see something in the mainstream, like on social media or news articles
I didn't even know Helldivers 2 was a live-service game until a week after I bought it. It didn't have the telltale signs of one like a huge store for cosmetics and a power level that's meaningless. It's just a seriously fun game.
And what is bought with premium currency is either farmable with decent playtime, or a pretty side grade fashion that doesnt break the game. And even if you buy a premium warbond you still gotta earn the goods in it. And AGAIN YOU CAN FARM THE PREMIUM CURRENCY AT DECENT RATES
You really enjoy live service slop that you won’t even own in the future?
@@thomasallen9974 Personally I think all the stuff in the free tier has been way more appealing than what I've seen in the shop or the premium pass so far, except for maybe one helmet I saw which I got using pass-earned currency. The shop refreshes every 2 days so by the time there's a new rotation I have enough saved up to get an item or two.
@@darkgamingbrowhen it puts an emphasis on the community of the game and gameplay yes i do
@@darkgamingbro How can you talk when you have a Roblox pfp??
Palworld has gotten tens of millions from Microsoft, HellDivers2 was published by Sony. Calling either of these "Indie" is very unethical as true indie games are things that big companies have not 1 finger in.
As someone who loves NFL football, I hate that EA is the only company that can make a NFL “simulation” game.
I played the original Helldivers and PS4 a long time ago, so when HD2 was announced you can only imagine my excitement. I am so happy that it is doing as well as it is, and I hope that more developers/publishers see this as a lesson and take it to heart. Make good games to make good money.
BG3 has been one of the few games I truely enjoyed with my buddies and now we have Helldivers and both have been an absolute blast. Bg3 had such a great story, characters, narration and etc. Helldivers 2 has been a straightforward concept but they way they went about it was something we haven't seen implemented correctly in a long time.
I'm happy you mentioned the economy. Here in the UK, our cost of living is insane and seeing a £70 game release even though we work, we just can;t afford to take that leap on constant let downs and live service grinds that become a 2nd job. I'm glad these indie games are shing through.
Never seen your content before but when i got into hell divers a whole new genre of creators popped up, I for sure agree with you with most of the the things you stated in the video & I appreciate the in depth explanations, finally someone I can truly relate to in the gaming world.
I switched to VR a year ago. Haven’t turned on the console since.
Old companies and studios are stuck in the rinse and repeat cycle. New studios are paving the way.
„You reap what you sow“ the AAA industry has been putting out cash grab after cash grab and gamers are, rightfully so, pissed off at this chicanery. Helldivers and Palworld are prime examples of how good a game can be for a reasonable price tag. This sentiment that „we need to charge you 70 bucks now, games are too expensive“ is bs. The games they release are worse than they were a DECADE ago, not just from a gameplay and content point of view but also from a graphical standpoint. Just look at Skull and Bones and compare it to Black Flag from 2013 for crying out loud, it’s just embarrassing.
Well fucking deserved EA, Ubisoft, Blizzard and co.
"People fucking hate live service games!"
... Helldivers 2 is a live service game...
We hate them when they don’t have to be live service. Helldivers is strictly multiplayer and the entire dynamic narrative requires a connection.
When singleplayer games need an internet connection is when people start complaining.
You can easily buy the premium battle pass by playing the game. You can't pay to win either. You can unlock everything by playing as well. As a live service game it's not scummy at all.
I unlocked premium with just in game currency i got after 2 days of playing helldivers. It doesn't force you to spend irl money so its fine
It’s depressing to think about all the great single player story games cancelled over the years in favor of games designed to be storefronts. Now with AAA single player games more successful I hope things get better.
Though we should always coïncider giving our money to the little guy.
pal world already lost like 70-80% of players and helldiver barely released so we don't know how quickly will it fall out of popularity
So does a shit ton of triple a games
@@greenunbidden9867 not this quickly pal world released not even 2 months ago point is they don't live long and have quite small revenue
@@deangregoric4735curious where did you get your info from? Of course people leaving palworld is to be expected, it's called finishing the game in about a week since it's the only good game that was released at the time. In any case i really want to know where you get your sources
@@maketemmiegreatagain5246 from news outlets and charts and no it's not common to people just leave like that you need to have sustainable amount of players that are coming in to keep projects alive
@@deangregoric4735 isnt that cause nintendo got mad and sued?
How is Helldivers 2 considered an "Indie game"? Its a Sony game?
It's a AA game (between indie and AAA in terms of scope and budget), though no one really throws the term "AA" around which is why not many people call HD2 "AA".
@@avocadoc1292it's still not indie
@@mattc7420 It's not AAA. AA doesn't really exist. Priced at $40. Small dev team. I dunno. I'd lean more towards Indie than AAA, man.
I feel like it's a AAA publisher and team, as far as experience and funding, just having success with a lesser known IP 🤷♂️ (again, it's a Sony IP)
I like that you mentioned the money spend/ fun time ratio. Also just think about how much money we paid for 3A games actually went into the dev’s pocket compared to indie games.
I've only been doing Lethal Company, Cyberpunk and Fortnite for a while.
Saying live service is garbage while praising Helldivers 2 is the epitome of irony. Congrats your brain must be like a marble.
Haha true, it’s just live service done right
ok baconator
True it sounds hypocritical, but you're obviously missing the underlying point that has become the mainstay with most live-service games. Helldivers is more or less strictly multiplayer and at no point in the game are you forced to purchase microtransactions nor does the game hamper your progress to try and incentivize you to do so. You can earn everything strictly by playing and in a reasonable time frame. It is nothing like the standard live service game, it is what a live service game SHOULD be.
good luck convincing me that helldivers 2 is an indie game lmao
It's published by Sony Interactive Entertainment. So yes - It is not an indie game.
Lets be real, sony been dropping absolute bangers
It’s simple, people want games and media that are created with love.
People are sick of corporate suits giving us trash with an agenda.
Bungie era halo compared to 343 era halo for example.
Keep preaching this, man! Seriously, the industry and gaming community need more studios like Arrowhead; a studio that actually gives a shit about its player base. I don't think it's a matter of triple A VS Indie games, it's a matter of studios actually putting out great content and letting your amount of play determine whether or not you turn to microtransactions. Helldivers II is doing "Live Service" in all the right ways so far, with no sign of stopping.
Palworld is NOT indie, Nor is Helldivers. WTF are you talking about?
Lethal company?
That intro just gained you a subscriber big man.
Accessibility is everything, as youtube, and digital copies of games have risen, people are just more aware of the games that exist not to mention making games is easier than ever. With youtube more people can learn how to make games.
Years ago "indie" developers were those companies, which are now this big. They forgot where they came from, because of sin like greed, vanity, wrath and envy.
Woah, I'm used to these essay videos criticizing triple AAA but rarely do I see one just roast triple AAA games with such raw passion.
Helldiver 2 show all those studio how a good live service game is made
Games I’ve played in the last 6mo: BLOPS3 mod maps, Crab Champions, Lethal Company, The Finals, Palworld, Helldivers 2
Even in the strategy game genre, the biggest and most anticipated upcoming game is probably 'Manor Lords' also a 1 man project.
not sure on that one, but isnt Larian still considered an indi studio? Woulndt that make BG3 an indi title too?
These gaming studios have really saved the day. It’s really hard seeing studios that were once like these just become so money hungry there’s not even any passion in what they produce anymore. I hope this trend continues and these big studios learn from this instead of devs having fits at games doing better than them.
You say that with a straight face this soon after BG3?
Im honestly amazed how hard it was to get a live service game like Helldivers 2 and i think a part of it is permanent battle passes and that idea was so alienated to me because of fortnite and cod just tried to solidify what battle passes mean.
This is probably a long shot, but I love to hear you talk about DCS (Digital Combat Simulator).
Helldivers 2 releases with keylogger anticheat that monitors every single file on your computer including your screen "WhEn wilL AAA gaMiNg rEaCh thIs leveL?"
The problem is there's a chance even indie developers can go bad. Once you get too much money, it tends to go south from there. Ready or Not is one prime example of that in which despite having its price increased after reaching full release, the core problems with that game still persist. It used to be a tactical police FPS title that devolved into a military FPS game in which you have to shoot immediately unless you want to lose to NPC enemies that have insane reflexes. Why even bother having police/SWAT units at this point? Might as well play 6 Days in Fallujah or something else.
I've been thinking for a while that this idea would eventually catch on with mainstream players. Alot of us that keep up on gaming news and such understand how the AAA scene has become more cash grabs than passion projects. Alot of those bigger developers have been copying ideas that seem to work for other devs (trend chasing), and trying to make many of those games live service. It's so nice to see that indie devs with fresh and exciting ideas are getting rewarded for their efforts. Great vid man!
last year we had Lethal Company. a game me and friends found was “friends vs friends” and a personal favourite The Finals
I heavily agree. I've been playing on my old PSP and tbh im having so much fun along with Helldivers 2 and Lethal with friends. I'm also an avid Clash of Clans player and spend way less on content than I spend on the other triple-A games.
It's funny how Ubisoft went from a sweetheart of the industry in the late 2000s to becoming one of the most disliked companies.
The script for this video was written very well. Really good choice of background music too. The narration had no business feeling as significant as it did. It’s a video about gaming, but you made it feel like a lot more.
Hope you have fun on Wuthering Waves my guy
The way I understand this is that it’s a cycle, like palworld said, “games are meant to be played enjoyed and put away, we won’t hate you for leaving g us and we’ll be happy when you come back for more”. Something along those lines, anyways games are meant to be enjoyed in the moment, though may be sad we can’t experience the first time playing them again we enjoy it laying games that have genuine passion and care for us. Because of this the cycle of games is rolling around again with old games being let go and new ones shining in the darkest of times, I for one am glad, for what doesn’t die festers, we saw that from Minecraft’s recent mod vote
I’m starting to hate modern gaming altogether. Using peak player count and streams as an indicator of how the industry is doing and how good a game is dumb.
Bought this game 2 years ago and love it. It seems to pair the good elements of a lot of games we as a community enjoy without forcing you to buy season passes/microtransactions
- great graphics
- PvE with team killing (Halo Spartan Ops)
- timed events that reward teamwork (Destiny 1 and 2)
- no “pay to win” weapons, time invested in the game is required instead (all shooters pre ~2015)
- serious scenario but make it goofy (Far Cry series)
- no premium season pass
- varying, non linear missions on open maps (Warzone DMZ)
There’s so much to love about this game. If I have to make 1 small criticism I wish the game had vehicles like the warthog or mongoose in Halo just to speed up the game a little as running from end to end can feel a bit boring at times but at the same time vehicles might make the game too easy and/or hurt the pacing of the game. I’m happy how it is now
A big component that seems to be missing from all fields, not just game dev, is passion for your trade. It’s obvious that the leaders of these companies have succumb to money instead of building quality products that is worth our time. Profit is an essential driver for keeping afloat a company, building a quality product will increase the amount of people that talk about your product that people and increase profits. People who are leading these companies should have a passion for the product that they are building instead of first priority being profit.
The lack of passion that I have seen crop up has marginally increased since I was in high school, ~ a decade, and it has been disheartening to say the least. I hope we can find that drive again instead of the complacency that I see day in and day out.
I am curious. Do you guys consider star citizen an indie game? Which is in development for 10-12 or more years. Or its a default triple A because of the money that went into it.
I've been gaming since the old days. It's refreshing to play a game that's cheaper than your average AAA game, you don't need to grind for weapons and gear, and they don't push micro transactions on you.
I've been playing hell divers 2 and it's been a blast.
Anyone know the song used during the video?
its somewhat similar to the gaming market crash in the 80s and happening for the same reason, companies just putting out a tide of half baked barely playable slop with the intention of making the most money out of the least effort
the only difference is instead of crashing outright the market is just moving away from them and into the indie sphere
the future of gamings looking bright lads
With big companies having massive layoffs and charging for every little thing in their games. I get the sense the Triple A market is slowly crashing.
These smaller studios will thrive as these are games they're passionate about making over trying to upcharge the consumer
It's almost like adversarial and predatory business practices are toxic and people will seek alternatives to them whenever possible. Crazy!
silk? song?
Now we will see a bunch of Helldivers 2 clones everywhere
I bought the Witcher as Enhanced Edition in 2010 for maybe 10$. Played it, enjoyt it, started reading the books, got the next games in the series as they came out.
Since then, i am currently on my third playthrough in the original Witcher game.
That makes it well worth the money in my case.
Well I agree with almost everything you have said, calling Helldivers 2 "indie" feels wrong. The IP is owned and funded by Sony. The DEV studio is small, but it's well funded thanks to this.
that Enshrouded character’s torso was backwards 😂 bro got pecs and abs on his back
Live service is a crazy concept that shouldn’t have worked this long. Imagine you bought a brand new car full price and the manufacturer said “Hey thanks for buying our car, we will be making a gas tank for it in 3 months”. Like wtf is that?
I bought helldivers a few hours ago, and I was absolutely shocked how cheap it was compared to every other game on the market
I usually would never laugh at the "should be called suicide watch" joke (not offended, its just not my humor) but your delivery was so concrete that I actually bust out laughing after a few seconds. First time seeing your videos, thanks for sharing your thoughts!
The great thing about Baldur’s Gate 3 is that it acts like a live service game with the updates that they put out but it doesn’t cost a dime on our side because Larian wants their base game to be the best product it can be, which is exactly as it should be
Who could have expected this?
Truly a mystery how this could have happened...
I think the average consumer doesn’t spend much mental energy editorializing the industry, much less factoring the dynamics or intentions of development companies into their play choices.
The simplest answer is people pick games because they look like a fun and enjoyable experience, and if they turn out to be so, they keep playing them, they talk about it, and it catches on. If it doesn’t, then they don’t keep playing, and it doesn’t catch on.
Someone knowledgeable about game development could correct me here, but it seems like the barrier to entry in cost and resources to make a quality game is shrinking over time, (at least it does to me given the increasing quality and quantity of indie titles coming out over the years - a bit like the film industry in the 60s and 70s as filmmaking equipment got cheaper and techniques and knowledge grew).
That being the case, over time indie titles are forming an increasing % of the total number of games being made, and therefore a great idea that becomes a game that knocks it out of the park like helldivers, is more likely to be an indie title - I don’t think it’s because of some common man’s revolt against profit motive of big companies.
There are still amazing AAA titles being made, they’re just becoming a smaller proportion of the total, as barriers to entry fall and competition increases.
That’s not to discount the theory that companies crowbarring in monetization mechanisms has a negative impact on quality, that’s probably true (also should be expected - if the game costs more money, then they need more ways to recoup the cost and generate a return, otherwise why would anyone bother to finance them? It is a for-profit industry, after all), it’s just unlikely to be the main reason - don’t forget monetization/micro transactions aren’t unique to AAA titles - helldivers itself has a micro transaction element in it with “super credits” for purchasing new skins and “premium only” weapons, skins, and player ranks - that hasn’t stopped it from blowing out player numbers.
thx for still making these videos, despite the criticism, it's long overdue that major dev companies realise that their greedy money making models aren't sustainable in the long run! video games are art and should be treated like it, not as just another market.
Just waiting for people to somehow defend the current generation of gaming
There are many talented and dedicated devs who work for the big companies but the problem is that the budget goes elsewhere: bloated administration, large office buildings, huge marketing campaigns, and useless top executives and market analysts who are only focused on how to squeeze more profit on a tighter deadline. I’m here for the indie renaissance.
You know what's funny it's the fact that it started with lethal company and now it became like a trend
so happy to see indies moving up in the world and we are starting to get actual games again
We should stop paying to UBI, EA and CoD. They will learn then.
I was saying to my gaming friends 7 or 8 years ago, all the innovation is in indie titles, they all agreed with me. The triple-A game industry is a tower of babel that's falling in front of our eyes. The best thing we can do is speak to them with our dollars and not give them money. We know when a title has good intentions and want to make a good game, triple-A titles don't want to make good games, they want to make money
I can't get over the comedy that is Pissdrinker Posse Kills Rocksteady coming out two weeks after Palworld.
Pacific Drive is also a new game that is blowing up.
I love those videos that show that indie devs are kicking, but as an indie dev myself (SpielmannSpiel) I might be a bit biased ^^