I think one way to improve the elimination chamber is the only way to be eliminated is to “Submit or surrender” it would make the chamber more grueling because you can only leave the chamber if you give up, submit or pass out”
@@HostWithTheMoston top of that you could play up a spot where a coward heel is trying to leave the chamber but instead the refs have to do everything in their power to keep them in. In fact have 5 men dressed like guards with riot shields and clubs and every time a non eliminated wrestler gets out the cage they get beat up and thrown back into the match kinda like lumber Jack rules. The chamber should be “hell on earth” and should show how desperate are you really to get to wrestlemania, can you endure ungodly pain and torture and do you have it in you to make a man submit or surrender. For example imagine if drew had to eliminate Randy by ramming his back into the cage over and over and over again until he blacks out, it makes the chamber more scary and makes drew look like more of a killer
@@thehutch7728maybe something like either tapping out or saying I quit? Like there could be a spot where a wrestler is having their arms smashed by the pod and the only way out is to say I quit.
@mattw6993 I use this an example after the Triple H v Undertaker hell in a cell if we didn't see it until the Dean Ambrose v Seth Rollins how much more would it have meant
The elimination Chamber is something I wish we saw more in scenarios where there’s a story being told akin to the Armageddon HIAC, I think if they did that match in the Chamber it would’ve worked a lot better than it did and I wish we saw more feuds like that be the catalyst for a Chamber.
The best way to rejuvenate these special match types is to stop using them every year & only book them like once in a blue moon especially when the right Wrestlers come along that will utilise them to the fullest to put on the best show possible. That way they feel like a huge deal & a very special occasion again when they are booked
I couldn't agree more. Especially with the last point about someone running into the chamber after another person gets eliminated. It's like the table spot. Why would a ref a) allow that to happen? And b) why does it happen at a really ridiculous amount of times?
I felt like this one did a good job of picking guys who had beefs with each other and were at the upper mid-top of the card range. They also set it up to basically flesh out the mania card. A little cheap but it popped me at 7am.
Ive disliked what theyve done with the chamber over the years. It was better when they used the chamber as a tool to bring 6 main eventers/upper mid carders to fight over the title versus a standard PPV. It shouldn't be a PPV. It should be a gimmick used to deal with multiple main eventers who have claims to the title.
I gotta say i really enjoyed the first few Chambers ever done. The last one i really cared most about was NYR 06 when Cena won a hard fought match and got smoked by Edge cashing in. After awhile, you're right, it becomes formulaic and same old. Some people innovate well and make it exciting, but it drags sometimes. Also, the mens one this year used the interference gimmick too much
In a way I think, if they are to continue to sell us the idea that it's such a dangerous match-then give us some blood dammit! Im not saying there should be weapons in there or anything but I cant suspend my disbelief that this chamber is so dangerous when everyone walks out with not a much as a little nosebleed A bit of another discussion but still.
@@lamore5054 I dont know if I think that's the answer. Maybe it's just me but I think we have seen enough of people getting up quickly from shots from baseball bats and so on. Then people would really have to start selling otherwise the risk is that it will only end up in an orgy of violence for the sake of violence while the match goes on and on with people getting up from everything. Maybe Im a bit much a 'lets turn back the clocks type of guy'
Yes fully agreed. As an example, when say Joe or Shayna Bayzler, Goldberg or Lesnar goes on a tear it puts all the heat/shine on one individual. Pod glass breaks happen in every chamber match, a bit over done. Ideally 3 heels and 3 faces should be in each. Your mid card heel should pin an upper card face. Or the rising midcard heel should pin and eliminate the upper card face so there's some forward momentum spread around. As an example Goldberg destroyed a lot of people in the second Chamber match including Randy Orton who eliminated no one. But what if Randy Orton had pinned Kevin Nash (who left WWE soon after this anyway) to truly start up the legend killer gimmick. Orton could claim he killed Nash's career. Then Orton could pin HBK to setup the Orton/HBK feud headed into the next month's Unforgiven event. elevated
Its actually simple to use process of elimination.off the top KO and Logan were just obvious fillers Bobby has a storyline going so he’s out Randy is a vet and he’s in it to put over someone else and pay his dues now my money was on LA knight cuz he’s hot but drew makes sense because if Cody and knight win then both champs would be babyface and that would be boring
I was praying that they were going to do away with the elimination chamber PPV just like how they did Hell in a Cell and TLC. I’ve been over saturated with it to the point that I don’t care for it.
Always wondered what it would be like if they added tables too,like whoever who get crushed in the table for 3 times gets eliminated alongside this having a normal pin elimination sounds good too i know in theory this sounds useless but why not giving it a shot
I think the Chamber is better than WarGames but it has suffered from being an annual event. The only time the two chambers in one night tactic worked was in ‘09 when Edge swindled his way into it
Well I can't agree with you there but to each their own. The one thing I will concede is that Wargames always suffered from some convoluted rules. Elimination Chamber is at least for straight forward. But the formula of the Wargames and its function is by far superior in my book
If you can Dave I would like to know how would you either change the elimination chamber or tweak it to where it's something more exciting or entertaining.The reason why I'm asking is because I honestly do not know how anyone can change the elimination chamber without completely getting rid of the event entirely.
Yeah, even though I enjoyed the chamber yesterday there is a lot left to be desired. I truly haven't seen any other one top the first one from 2002 and the new variation structure hasn't helped.
I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE COOL I E THEORY WALLER AND BRAUN ARE IN THE CHAMBER HE POWERSLAM BOTH OF THEM AND DOES THE FIRST DOUBLE ELIMINATION IN ELIMINATION CHAMBER HISTORY
The reason why people complained about Shayna's Elimination Chamber performance is that she came out 4th. Had she been 5th (and therefore only done the "I'm waiting for the next victim" spot once) then it would have been better recieved
Imagine in the 2003 Chamber if instead of Goldberg going on a tear and eliminating 3 or 4 people Randy Orton pinned HBK and Kevin Nash? Randy Orton could get credit for taking out Nash (I think Nash left WWE soon after with the chamber being his final appearance) Orton pinning HBK could set up their match the next month at Unforgiven. In 2005 Batista eliminating Benoit/Jericho continued making him a big deal as Batista should be. But what if Edge pinned Benoit on the outside with Edge’s feet on the chamber wall for leverage? Could’ve made Edge look smart and dastardly while adding more heat to the Edge v Benoit feud coming the next month.
The Chamber match and the February PPV as a whole is just completely pointless. Every match could be on RAW or Smackdown and it really wouldn't change much, and you could come up with a way better way of deciding a number 1 contender than just sticking them in a Elimination Chamber. Could do a Battle Royal, a Tournament, a title shot that gets ruined by interference, fighting the champions previous opponent for their rematch clause, ect. But no, instead they beat up a bunch of jobbers in an Elimination Chamber. WWE had already made it clear that Becky and Drew wanted to challenge their respective champions, so just... have them challenge for the titles instead of making them go through the February obligation that is the Elimination Chamber. Money in the Bank is the same, they do it because they have to and have no clue what to do with the briefcase. Last years men's winner hasn't even cashed in yet, the previous winner before him cashed in on a midcard title then lost, and two years before that it was won by a joke wrestler who went on to lose the briefcase to someone else.
Yes, the EC has become similar to the just as ineffective HIAC, in that there's no perceived sense of danger, more like a no stakes, "protect them between RR and WM" type of PPV/PLE. I say there should be no PLE between them, because of the predictability of "no champ loses at this one" matches, I mean, not even the US Title (and in my opinion LP {semi-famous UA-camr} shouldn't even be holding it, similar to when David Arquette {an actor} was given the WCW title! 🤦), was up for the taking! 🤷
I don't think the ppv between RR and Mania shouldn't exist but it needs to be less obvious that the champ isn't going to lose. An example of that would be have a guy who's been feuding with the challenger to the champion win the rumble like how they did in 2001. They tried it this year with Jax and Lynch but it didn't work because nobody thinks Nia would've been champ
The issue wasn't Shayna destroying everyone else. It was that they didn't have her come out last so she stood around for too long. Also, I know you said they don't do that stuff every year, but, just this year they had Naomi eliminated before everyone was in and in the mens, Knight and Lashley were in the ring, the next one out was Owens (a face) and he went after Knight (also a face) first. The issue I have with it, is the same is the Rumble, but the Rumble will usually have more people in the ring. Well, all multi-person matches, actually, people have to be dead for minutes at a time until it's time for their next spot. Another issue is that it is an elimination match. I have always hated those because it makes the earlier eliminations look weak.
I think one way to improve the elimination chamber is the only way to be eliminated is to “Submit or surrender” it would make the chamber more grueling because you can only leave the chamber if you give up, submit or pass out”
Absolutely.
@@HostWithTheMoston top of that you could play up a spot where a coward heel is trying to leave the chamber but instead the refs have to do everything in their power to keep them in. In fact have 5 men dressed like guards with riot shields and clubs and every time a non eliminated wrestler gets out the cage they get beat up and thrown back into the match kinda like lumber Jack rules. The chamber should be “hell on earth” and should show how desperate are you really to get to wrestlemania, can you endure ungodly pain and torture and do you have it in you to make a man submit or surrender.
For example imagine if drew had to eliminate Randy by ramming his back into the cage over and over and over again until he blacks out, it makes the chamber more scary and makes drew look like more of a killer
@@dj2k460 I LOVE IT!
Heel: "GET ME OUT OF HERE!"
Ref: "Oh no you don't! BAM! BAM! BAM!"
What’s the difference between giving up and submitting?
@@thehutch7728maybe something like either tapping out or saying I quit? Like there could be a spot where a wrestler is having their arms smashed by the pod and the only way out is to say I quit.
I think the chamber has been MASSIVELY overused 35 is way to many at most there should've been 15-20 over the years
@HostWithTheMost even then it's too many it should be every once in a great while not yearly
Same with Hell in a Cell. We should see that thing come out once every 2-5 years, not multiple times a night once a year.
@mattw6993 I use this an example after the Triple H v Undertaker hell in a cell if we didn't see it until the Dean Ambrose v Seth Rollins how much more would it have meant
@@ryankeefe2102Good point.
@@ryankeefe2102You should see my friend's WWE 2K promotion, Shadow Pro Wrestling. Guess how many Hell in a Cell matches he does.
The elimination Chamber is something I wish we saw more in scenarios where there’s a story being told akin to the Armageddon HIAC, I think if they did that match in the Chamber it would’ve worked a lot better than it did and I wish we saw more feuds like that be the catalyst for a Chamber.
The best way to rejuvenate these special match types is to stop using them every year & only book them like once in a blue moon especially when the right Wrestlers come along that will utilise them to the fullest to put on the best show possible. That way they feel like a huge deal & a very special occasion again when they are booked
Agreed only use them as a plot device for a story and trying to force a story into the device
I couldn't agree more. Especially with the last point about someone running into the chamber after another person gets eliminated. It's like the table spot. Why would a ref a) allow that to happen? And b) why does it happen at a really ridiculous amount of times?
I felt like this one did a good job of picking guys who had beefs with each other and were at the upper mid-top of the card range. They also set it up to basically flesh out the mania card. A little cheap but it popped me at 7am.
I just wish all 6 wrestlers get more time to wrestle each other at once
Ive disliked what theyve done with the chamber over the years. It was better when they used the chamber as a tool to bring 6 main eventers/upper mid carders to fight over the title versus a standard PPV.
It shouldn't be a PPV. It should be a gimmick used to deal with multiple main eventers who have claims to the title.
WWE turned all the gimmick matches into annual events trying to cash in on the novelty and now those matches are so common it's no longer a novelty.
I miss the old round Chamber. That thing looked hard and dangerous. When guys took a bump you felt the pain through your TV screen!
I do too think the old one looked better. But I think ditched it because it took up too much room
I gotta say i really enjoyed the first few Chambers ever done. The last one i really cared most about was NYR 06 when Cena won a hard fought match and got smoked by Edge cashing in. After awhile, you're right, it becomes formulaic and same old. Some people innovate well and make it exciting, but it drags sometimes. Also, the mens one this year used the interference gimmick too much
The problem is it don't need to be every year. It was better as a spectacle. Same with hell in a cell. Now there's 2 in one night? Don't help.
this new structure looks so hard the old ones look like hell to be in
Seriously?
In a way I think, if they are to continue to sell us the idea that it's such a dangerous match-then give us some blood dammit! Im not saying there should be weapons in there or anything but I cant suspend my disbelief that this chamber is so dangerous when everyone walks out with not a much as a little nosebleed
A bit of another discussion but still.
While I usually dont think blood is a must I do agree with you that it would help to sell the "brutality" that they want us to believe the chamber has
Padding it with weapons and someone else’s idea of “tap or quit” being the only way out would actually make it a scary match. Maybe AEW Could do it.
@@lamore5054 I dont know if I think that's the answer. Maybe it's just me but I think we have seen enough of people getting up quickly from shots from baseball bats and so on. Then people would really have to start selling otherwise the risk is that it will only end up in an orgy of violence for the sake of violence while the match goes on and on with people getting up from everything. Maybe Im a bit much a 'lets turn back the clocks type of guy'
Ugh don't get me started on the Rhonda/Liv baseball bat no sell match. I almost threw up in my mouth I was so mad during that
Yes fully agreed. As an example, when say Joe or Shayna Bayzler, Goldberg or Lesnar goes on a tear it puts all the heat/shine on one individual. Pod glass breaks happen in every chamber match, a bit over done. Ideally 3 heels and 3 faces should be in each. Your mid card heel should pin an upper card face. Or the rising midcard heel should pin and eliminate the upper card face so there's some forward momentum spread around.
As an example Goldberg destroyed a lot of people in the second Chamber match including Randy Orton who eliminated no one. But what if Randy Orton had pinned Kevin Nash (who left WWE soon after this anyway) to truly start up the legend killer gimmick. Orton could claim he killed Nash's career. Then Orton could pin HBK to setup the Orton/HBK feud headed into the next month's Unforgiven event.
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Its actually simple to use process of elimination.off the top KO and Logan were just obvious fillers Bobby has a storyline going so he’s out Randy is a vet and he’s in it to put over someone else and pay his dues now my money was on LA knight cuz he’s hot but drew makes sense because if Cody and knight win then both champs would be babyface and that would be boring
I was praying that they were going to do away with the elimination chamber PPV just like how they did Hell in a Cell and TLC. I’ve been over saturated with it to the point that I don’t care for it.
Always wondered what it would be like if they added tables too,like whoever who get crushed in the table for 3 times gets eliminated alongside this having a normal pin elimination sounds good too i know in theory this sounds useless but why not giving it a shot
I think the Chamber is better than WarGames but it has suffered from being an annual event. The only time the two chambers in one night tactic worked was in ‘09 when Edge swindled his way into it
Well I can't agree with you there but to each their own. The one thing I will concede is that Wargames always suffered from some convoluted rules. Elimination Chamber is at least for straight forward. But the formula of the Wargames and its function is by far superior in my book
If you can Dave I would like to know how would you either change the elimination chamber or tweak it to where it's something more exciting or entertaining.The reason why I'm asking is because I honestly do not know how anyone can change the elimination chamber without completely getting rid of the event entirely.
Thru the course of making this video I did think of several ways but I decided it would be better to be a video on its own
@@DaveKnowsWrestling whenever you make that video I look forward to it
Yeah, even though I enjoyed the chamber yesterday there is a lot left to be desired. I truly haven't seen any other one top the first one from 2002 and the new variation structure hasn't helped.
I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE COOL I E THEORY WALLER AND BRAUN ARE IN THE CHAMBER HE POWERSLAM BOTH OF THEM AND DOES THE FIRST DOUBLE ELIMINATION IN ELIMINATION CHAMBER HISTORY
The reason why people complained about Shayna's Elimination Chamber performance is that she came out 4th. Had she been 5th (and therefore only done the "I'm waiting for the next victim" spot once) then it would have been better recieved
I already knew why I wasn't asking for an explanation
Imagine in the 2003 Chamber if instead of Goldberg going on a tear and eliminating 3 or 4 people Randy Orton pinned HBK and Kevin Nash? Randy Orton could get credit for taking out Nash (I think Nash left WWE soon after with the chamber being his final appearance) Orton pinning HBK could set up their match the next month at Unforgiven.
In 2005 Batista eliminating Benoit/Jericho continued making him a big deal as Batista should be. But what if Edge pinned Benoit on the outside with Edge’s feet on the chamber wall for leverage? Could’ve made Edge look smart and dastardly while adding more heat to the Edge v Benoit feud coming the next month.
If there’s a double pinfall, would they both be eliminated?
Yes it's like a regular pin to eliminate match
The Chamber match and the February PPV as a whole is just completely pointless. Every match could be on RAW or Smackdown and it really wouldn't change much, and you could come up with a way better way of deciding a number 1 contender than just sticking them in a Elimination Chamber. Could do a Battle Royal, a Tournament, a title shot that gets ruined by interference, fighting the champions previous opponent for their rematch clause, ect. But no, instead they beat up a bunch of jobbers in an Elimination Chamber.
WWE had already made it clear that Becky and Drew wanted to challenge their respective champions, so just... have them challenge for the titles instead of making them go through the February obligation that is the Elimination Chamber.
Money in the Bank is the same, they do it because they have to and have no clue what to do with the briefcase. Last years men's winner hasn't even cashed in yet, the previous winner before him cashed in on a midcard title then lost, and two years before that it was won by a joke wrestler who went on to lose the briefcase to someone else.
Yes, the EC has become similar to the just as ineffective HIAC, in that there's no perceived sense of danger, more like a no stakes, "protect them between RR and WM" type of PPV/PLE.
I say there should be no PLE between them, because of the predictability of "no champ loses at this one" matches, I mean, not even the US Title (and in my opinion LP {semi-famous UA-camr} shouldn't even be holding it, similar to when David Arquette {an actor} was given the WCW title! 🤦), was up for the taking! 🤷
I don't think the ppv between RR and Mania shouldn't exist but it needs to be less obvious that the champ isn't going to lose. An example of that would be have a guy who's been feuding with the challenger to the champion win the rumble like how they did in 2001. They tried it this year with Jax and Lynch but it didn't work because nobody thinks Nia would've been champ
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The issue wasn't Shayna destroying everyone else. It was that they didn't have her come out last so she stood around for too long.
Also, I know you said they don't do that stuff every year, but, just this year they had Naomi eliminated before everyone was in and in the mens, Knight and Lashley were in the ring, the next one out was Owens (a face) and he went after Knight (also a face) first.
The issue I have with it, is the same is the Rumble, but the Rumble will usually have more people in the ring. Well, all multi-person matches, actually, people have to be dead for minutes at a time until it's time for their next spot.
Another issue is that it is an elimination match. I have always hated those because it makes the earlier eliminations look weak.