Once you get the pen nailed down, any chance you will tackle a mechanical pencil? I have a Pentel Graph Gear 1000 in 0.5, but I would like something better. Something Grimsmo.
I saw some comments about efficient use of material, and I had the same thought. I was wondering though - could you make two parts out of the same block of material? Picture two clips pointing opposite directions, one with the clip on the top and one on the bottom. You could drill out the center, turn the outside, and then slot it into the two individual parts. Then you'd wind up with one on each spindle. I'm not totally sure how if it would work, but it seems like there is potential. It would definitely be a lot more complicated process, though.
clicking sounds great, you should knurl the ring in the back and maybe the front part where you hold the pen too. feels great and you can push the ring easier. the knurling is the part i love the most about my rotring 600 mechanical pencil. and put your logo on the button on the back excited to see, how the pen will turn out in the end!
I was trying to cad a similar style push button with the reset collar about 18 months ago. Just couldn't get my head round it. Well done for getting it to work, really cool.
Looking awesome! Have you thought about drilling all the way trough to remove most of the material by drilling? Also you could slot the Profil with a small endmill and maybe safe some time. Depending on the remaining wall thickness you could mill around with simultaneous c rotation. Keep it up!
Damn, I’m obsessed with pens and and was a CAD student and had the idea of using an air hose quick connect mechanism as a pen click mechanism, looks like Grimsmo beat me to it, I hope he doesn’t mind other people using a similar mechanism.....
That click mechanism is so cool!! Reminds me a bit of quick-release air or hydraulic couplings. Funnily enough, I've been thinking on my own design of retractable pencil 😁
Amazing design for something that is used dvery day and mostly not thought about. I'm out in the elements every day and as such I'm no stranger to paying for quality pens that can keep up. Definitely interested in seeing this in production and possibly getting my heands on at least one. Great work as always.
Looks great John. But the multiple Grimsmo logos on the nose of the pen are overkill. The small logo on the button is cool. A quality pen should have subtle branding. You could consider laser engraving the logo on the barrel as an alternative. Much more subtle than any milled logo. Can't wait to see where the final design lands. It will be great to be able to purchase a Grimsmo product...as you can't legally carry a knife DownUnder...
My god I just had the epiphany at 11:30. What you need is a c-axis operation that parts off the raw stock you need for making one of those clips, while still being able to re-chuck it after the parting off op.. That's gonna be something else.. Maybe like a tiny sawzall that comes in while it's being held from both sides, then it ejects the mass stock, then it re-chucks and aligns the part still being held on the tool-side "clamp"? That would make it a one-op clip, given that you have your c-axis code in there afterwards. So what are you doing in terms of "texture" on the outside of the clip? I'm thinking there's room for some g10-like handle shaping textures (the diamond and Anzo like patterns), but yeah, it could get crazy enough for "greyscale like" halftone drilling, if you can accurately map a coordinate system along the raw flat clip surface. And, as an added bonus, you can apply that same method to the pen body itself. Interesting stuff man, can't wait to see more pens!
I like my Staedtler pencils and Pentel graph gear 1000's a LOT, your pen looks sweet too but is there any room for incorporating some nice knurling on your pens? I also prefer fine points on my pens and pencils .5 mm. I love click type pens, I hate cap style pens...I can never keep track of the darn cap so good job. I'm sure you'll get the details ironed out. Thanks for updating the pen project! Pens and pencils is more "my thing" than knives and I like knives a lot. (graphic arts major and farm boy)
How about one with a CF body? Not really a high-end pen kind of person, but I do like it. Though, like any Grimsmo product, I probably won't be able to afford it lol.
Oh wow! That's sweet! One of the best videos you've put out.. That Nakamura in really nice machine :) There's actually a machine sales company about 15km from my place that sells Nakamura lathes! I should go to their open house some time :)
Great video. I don't know more than you but Electro-chrome-plating a plastic would be cheaper than machining. You could produce plastic parts by injection molding and then electroplate them. You need an plastic injection machine for other projects too.
Mechanism looks amazing! Not able to go to blade... but do you guys have any idea, when you might be putting these up for sale online? And if it will be lottery or pre-order?
What type of pen ink cartridge? Are there going to be textures and colors? Is there going to be a preorder or some sort of waiting list? I’ve always wanted a pen that I could use and would last the rest of my life as long as the cartridges are available and I don’t lose the pen. Keep up the good work.
While it's definetly nice to have a fully machined clip like that; that is A LOT of wasted material! If you make that out of titanium, the pen will have to be way too expensive....Or am I missing something?
Well, they are asking a lot for the things they make, due to inefficiënt working and stuff like that. So the cost of that extra titanium isn't going to be seen a lot in the price.
Geert Perton actually the prices for their knives are quite cheap for what their offering. Relatively, most other custom/semi-custom knives are not as well built and are more expensive. These things are for people who can appreciate 1/5000th inch tolerances. (0.0002") For people who understanding what goes into making a knife like this. It's not a production knife, so of course it's going to be inefficient. Although, for a custom/semi-custom knife, his processes are very efficient. People that don't understand machining, manufacturing, small business, made in America, and bringing a product to market just won't get it. They're happy with a $30 Chinese knife, and don't get how a knife can cost so much. They want to compare it to a factory in China making thousands of knives a day, and you can't. It's like explaining why a MB S65 AMG or Rolex cost so much; especially to someone who has never experienced it. They think, "Why would I spend $200k for a car? It can't be _THAT_ much better than my Lexus."
I kind of agree, but take a look at the Benchmade 761 Ti. A very nice knife, made in USA. It is half the price of a grimso. I am actually really curious, what factors make it double the price? I understand benchmade makes more, but that sounds like something grimsmo can too.
Geert Perton They can and they do, but the difference lies in attention to detail; grimsmo is a relatively small business, so they can't win on efficiency; but they make up for it with a personal factor and overkill tolerances for a more selected group of knife users/collectors. If you want, you can even choose the materials and finish on your knife. Also, the design itself is worth a lot; If you just want a folding knife: buy any folding knife. If you want specifically the rask or norseman design: you have to invest into a grimsmo. If you think that's not worth it, that's ok; there are enough people who think otherwise.
Definitely interested in these pens, at least i can safely import them into this damn country(uk) lol without any possible penalty or chance of being impounded
To be fair, this is a lathe part and John has said in prev vids that the lathe making screws is far from a bottleneck in the production. He just sets up a bar and that parts catcher and runs a ton of screws overnight.
I love the actuation! Check out Magnus from Cogent Ind for his full Titanium pen. it has a machined pocket clip made in the same fashion. He's on youtube :) here's a more detailed look on Kickstarter www.kickstarter.com/projects/cogent/titanium-pen
What kind of ink are you using? You shoukd use something like Pilot Hi-Tec-C Gel Pen Refill - 0.4 mm - Black. It looks like you are just using a normal bic pen and honestly ballpoint ink pens suck.
We are so excited to get this product out to you guys by Blade Show! What do you think about the Saga and its clicking mechanism?
JohnGrimsmo looks great
Shut up and take my money!
JohnGrimsmo love it ! Here’s my credit card!
Arthur Schroeder exactly.
Once you get the pen nailed down, any chance you will tackle a mechanical pencil? I have a Pentel Graph Gear 1000 in 0.5, but I would like something better. Something Grimsmo.
Hey Y'all, please do a Grimsmo shirt that says "I am so relatively pleased with this." Would buy!
I saw some comments about efficient use of material, and I had the same thought. I was wondering though - could you make two parts out of the same block of material? Picture two clips pointing opposite directions, one with the clip on the top and one on the bottom. You could drill out the center, turn the outside, and then slot it into the two individual parts. Then you'd wind up with one on each spindle. I'm not totally sure how if it would work, but it seems like there is potential. It would definitely be a lot more complicated process, though.
clicking sounds great, you should knurl the ring in the back and maybe the front part where you hold the pen too.
feels great and you can push the ring easier.
the knurling is the part i love the most about my rotring 600 mechanical pencil. and put your logo on the button on the back
excited to see, how the pen will turn out in the end!
This video felt a lot like the knife making Tuesday videos I've been missing. Looking forward to checking out the pen at blade!
This is the type of stuff I originally subscribed to the channel for so I'm glad to see it again.
That mechanism is so simple yet no one used it on a pen. Clever Mr Grimsmo, very clever.
I was trying to cad a similar style push button with the reset collar about 18 months ago. Just couldn't get my head round it. Well done for getting it to work, really cool.
Good video! Its nice to see some actual CNC in this one and less filler and fluff. Pen looks good!
Looking awesome! Have you thought about drilling all the way trough to remove most of the material by drilling? Also you could slot the Profil with a small endmill and maybe safe some time. Depending on the remaining wall thickness you could mill around with simultaneous c rotation. Keep it up!
Just when you can't imagine how any pen could be interesting you blew my mind.
Last video I asked. Why a pen? This video answered the question. As I thought you would. You knocked it out of the park. Looks AMAZING.
I appreciate these videos as they teach me things I'd otherwise never learn. The Saga will be very useful for me in my work, so I hope to pick one up!
These look great. I hope everyone who wants one can get one. Maybe make these a lil more available than your other products. Awesome work.
Damn, I’m obsessed with pens and and was a CAD student and had the idea of using an air hose quick connect mechanism as a pen click mechanism, looks like Grimsmo beat me to it, I hope he doesn’t mind other people using a similar mechanism.....
Even with the borked ones, the surface finish is still spectacular... those clips look awesome. Amazing what you can do with the lathe!
That click mechanism is so cool!! Reminds me a bit of quick-release air or hydraulic couplings. Funnily enough, I've been thinking on my own design of retractable pencil 😁
Amazing design for something that is used dvery day and mostly not thought about. I'm out in the elements every day and as such I'm no stranger to paying for quality pens that can keep up. Definitely interested in seeing this in production and possibly getting my heands on at least one. Great work as always.
What a wonderful pen could not done it better
This video was excellent. Compelling storytelling!
Looks great John. But the multiple Grimsmo logos on the nose of the pen are overkill. The small logo on the button is cool. A quality pen should have subtle branding.
You could consider laser engraving the logo on the barrel as an alternative. Much more subtle than any milled logo.
Can't wait to see where the final design lands. It will be great to be able to purchase a Grimsmo product...as you can't legally carry a knife DownUnder...
All I hear and see is that you need a swiss... Citizen L20! Would carve out these parts :) great video John!
That is an awesome pen and journey you are on. I can’t hit the like button enough. Keep inspiring us all.
Amazing as always John!! Great work and I am pumped to get a hold of one. I hope to be able to make something that nice one of these days.
My god I just had the epiphany at 11:30. What you need is a c-axis operation that parts off the raw stock you need for making one of those clips, while still being able to re-chuck it after the parting off op.. That's gonna be something else..
Maybe like a tiny sawzall that comes in while it's being held from both sides, then it ejects the mass stock, then it re-chucks and aligns the part still being held on the tool-side "clamp"?
That would make it a one-op clip, given that you have your c-axis code in there afterwards.
So what are you doing in terms of "texture" on the outside of the clip? I'm thinking there's room for some g10-like handle shaping textures (the diamond and Anzo like patterns), but yeah, it could get crazy enough for "greyscale like" halftone drilling, if you can accurately map a coordinate system along the raw flat clip surface.
And, as an added bonus, you can apply that same method to the pen body itself.
Interesting stuff man, can't wait to see more pens!
I like my Staedtler pencils and Pentel graph gear 1000's a LOT, your pen looks sweet too but is there any room for incorporating some nice knurling on your pens? I also prefer fine points on my pens and pencils .5 mm. I love click type pens, I hate cap style pens...I can never keep track of the darn cap so good job. I'm sure you'll get the details ironed out. Thanks for updating the pen project!
Pens and pencils is more "my thing" than knives and I like knives a lot. (graphic arts major and farm boy)
Nice,i would definitely buy a pen like that.You've done it again guys!!
What about a spring detent, kinda match your blades, just as a personal challenge for yourself, very cool Man!
Pen looks great. Clearly it’s a lot of work. I had no idea! I’m still waiting on new Rasks though!
Now this is the kind of content that is UA-cam gold. Keep it up!
How about one with a CF body?
Not really a high-end pen kind of person, but I do like it. Though, like any Grimsmo product, I probably won't be able to afford it lol.
Love this video. Some amazing machining and product development.
I can't wait!! See you next weekend
awesome John, I enjoy every video since 2011!
Best Regards form Germany!
Looks great John, see you at Blade!!!
Oh wow! That's sweet! One of the best videos you've put out.. That Nakamura in really nice machine :) There's actually a machine sales company about 15km from my place that sells Nakamura lathes! I should go to their open house some time :)
Okay - I NEED the pen and the no place like home shirt!!! Where did you get the shirt? Love it!
Awesome! Great job on that pen!
Wow! The pen looks amazing, the click sounds awesome, and this video is great! I really enjoyed the machining banter starting at 11:00 mins.
Great video. I don't know more than you but Electro-chrome-plating a plastic would be cheaper than machining. You could produce plastic parts by injection molding and then electroplate them. You need an plastic injection machine for other projects too.
It was some Grimsmo people up at Spitsbergen Norway back in the late 50's early 60's. Was that some from your family?
New to the channel, Already a fan!
Mechanism looks amazing! Not able to go to blade... but do you guys have any idea, when you might be putting these up for sale online? And if it will be lottery or pre-order?
Dam , after the first min or so , i thought i was going to see a Titanium zip tie being CNC made ... Keep it up
Have a price range so I know how much to save up for. Good job John. See ya at BLADE
What type of pen ink cartridge? Are there going to be textures and colors? Is there going to be a preorder or some sort of waiting list? I’ve always wanted a pen that I could use and would last the rest of my life as long as the cartridges are available and I don’t lose the pen. Keep up the good work.
So sick!
For the pen clip, what if you machine two at once? Flip one 180* so one utilized the other for the support
Could you 3D print a custom lid for that pill bottle to make pulling it off and catching it easier ?
I am so relatively pleased with this video.
Have you considered doing some pocket clips and tips out of Silicon Bronze?
What type of refill will you be using. Looks like a very coarse ball. Can I have one with a .04 mm ball?
This is cool stuff. Best vid yet! You’re going to get me to fork over some cash, gol dang!
Have you thought about putting some cross knurling on any of those parts?
That guy on Kickstarter, I think his name is Magnus something, he did a one piece titanium clip on his pen.
Very nice pen, and very complex machining (that would make Peter at Edge Precision proud) but at $250, I would not buy it out of fear of losing it.
i remember john (nyc cnc) saying everybody is a hero in aluminum not brass. am i remembering it wrong?
John, could you make a metal scriber out your pen also?
did you consider puting some small grooves in the collar for grip
Are there any screws on it? Seems like it needs some 100% custom made Torx T2 screws somewhere.
16:41 Magnus did his own titanium spring oh his first titanium click pen it bad ass. No cheap steel spring. Cheers, #SeattleRingHunter
Mr. John grimsmo your pen design looks awesome it should be a stylist p e n.
Seems like an SLS 3D printer is making it's way up your wishlist =0)
Funny, no one tries writing with the pen when you give it to them to try. Awesome mechanism tho.
ball nose on the release tube from top to almost bottom so theres some finger catch on the release
Flashlight Making Friday when :)
Can't wait to see it at Blade Show!
Looks great John. Please use any refill but the Fisher space pen. That thing is garbage.
Maybe make the clip out of sheet Lazer cut out ,make a press tool to shape
So good.
pull the strap down and forward off the top of your head on the respirators. Way easier to take them off.
Got any schematics / blueprints for that pens mechanism? I need to learn how it works!
😂😂😂😂😂
Look at the way hydraulic connectors work with the sleeve and locking balls; I strongly suspect its the same principle.
Haha, good one.
Hey John; Norwegian name, I think the first production pen should go to Norway. I can help with that ;-)
Really good job.
You show us an over Engineered overly complicated Grimsmo style pen and we can order 1! Not cool! I need one ASAP!!!!!!
I like the current sound, but i'd make it even louder (or option to a normal pen).
and john saunders don't think the lathe is fun :)
While it's definetly nice to have a fully machined clip like that; that is A LOT of wasted material! If you make that out of titanium, the pen will have to be way too expensive....Or am I missing something?
TjinDeDjen it's a luxury item anyways
Well, they are asking a lot for the things they make, due to inefficiënt working and stuff like that. So the cost of that extra titanium isn't going to be seen a lot in the price.
Geert Perton actually the prices for their knives are quite cheap for what their offering. Relatively, most other custom/semi-custom knives are not as well built and are more expensive. These things are for people who can appreciate 1/5000th inch tolerances. (0.0002") For people who understanding what goes into making a knife like this. It's not a production knife, so of course it's going to be inefficient. Although, for a custom/semi-custom knife, his processes are very efficient. People that don't understand machining, manufacturing, small business, made in America, and bringing a product to market just won't get it. They're happy with a $30 Chinese knife, and don't get how a knife can cost so much. They want to compare it to a factory in China making thousands of knives a day, and you can't. It's like explaining why a MB S65 AMG or Rolex cost so much; especially to someone who has never experienced it. They think, "Why would I spend $200k for a car? It can't be _THAT_ much better than my Lexus."
I kind of agree, but take a look at the Benchmade 761 Ti. A very nice knife, made in USA. It is half the price of a grimso. I am actually really curious, what factors make it double the price? I understand benchmade makes more, but that sounds like something grimsmo can too.
Geert Perton They can and they do, but the difference lies in attention to detail; grimsmo is a relatively small business, so they can't win on efficiency; but they make up for it with a personal factor and overkill tolerances for a more selected group of knife users/collectors. If you want, you can even choose the materials and finish on your knife. Also, the design itself is worth a lot; If you just want a folding knife: buy any folding knife. If you want specifically the rask or norseman design: you have to invest into a grimsmo. If you think that's not worth it, that's ok; there are enough people who think otherwise.
Will this pen use space pen cartridges?
How much will this pen cost? Somewhere around $1500? 😜
maybe 400 USD,
If you pre-order now you can have one by 2021.
Just skimming highlights, who was Mr red shirt at the nak?
Definitely interested in these pens, at least i can safely import them into this damn country(uk) lol without any possible penalty or chance of being impounded
Making more things besides knives people have ordered...great
To be fair, this is a lathe part and John has said in prev vids that the lathe making screws is far from a bottleneck in the production. He just sets up a bar and that parts catcher and runs a ton of screws overnight.
They caught up with pre ordered knifes months ago...
I want one!!!
I love the actuation! Check out Magnus from Cogent Ind for his full Titanium pen. it has a machined pocket clip made in the same fashion. He's on youtube :) here's a more detailed look on Kickstarter www.kickstarter.com/projects/cogent/titanium-pen
I will order one, as long as i can afford one.
5:43 You'll crash before you get there dude. You should have a G91 on that Block. ;)
Why not to cut, as an ultimate operation, in a wire edm machine ?
I like the shirt. Where's it from?
I should specify, the shirt from 5:42
i want a grismo saga pen
Nick Shabazz is gonna need some personal time when he sees this.
👍👍👍👍👍
Nice
Can I buy one?
Damn you, i want one now. No. I NEED one. #ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney
What kind of ink are you using? You shoukd use something like Pilot Hi-Tec-C Gel Pen Refill - 0.4 mm - Black. It looks like you are just using a normal bic pen and honestly ballpoint ink pens suck.
You can pick up the refill cartiges from jetpens
No disrespect but $300 for a pen is way too expensive even if it cost double of the price to produce.