Cool vid!! As was at Smoky Mountain Knife Works today & struck up a conversation w another customer & we started talking edc...& what was he carrying? A Norsman!! It was my 1st time handling one & WOW!!! Pics & vids just do not do it justice!! I've always wanted one, now I'm on a mission! I've fondled some nice knives, midtechs, customs, & that's probly the sweetest blade I've ever had in my hands
I first got hooked on your channel because of seeing the processes you went through to get the machining working, anodizing, etc. I really enjoyed seeing the struggle followed by the success which sums up my experience making things. Participating in your learning process was very enlightening. I've enjoyed watching your more recent videos, but really missed seeing some of the development process and the things that didn't work right the first time. Thanks for going more in that direction with this video. I agree the rounded shape of the clip having the same centerline as the pen body makes an elegant design. These little touches are what elevate it above the others. People will want to touch it, if it were square it wouldn't be the same.
I'm really enjoying this series. Shades of knife making Tuesday. The mechanism is very cool. In the other video I noticed your "machinist engineer hero" sticker. I got a good laugh from it. My personal favorite is "machinist- like an engineer but with common sense"
My guess is the clip is deforming because of residual stresses in the material. Residual stress can be removed by annealing the titanium. Great Work John.
As a machined pen lover, I’ll warn you to make sure that the center of gravity is below where the pen is resting on the hand while holding. Surely Saga pen is mechanistically beautiful, but beware of the ergonomic.
I was hoping someone mentioned that. Pen is cool, but it's still a pen and people are going to want to write with it and have it feel good when doing it. Just hopefully he dosen't overlook that part.
i would actually prefer one of your pens without clip.. there's something so slick about the pre-clip versions in the video before.. that totally fits the futuristic clicky-thing ^^ any idea how much that kind of thing will be going for? i dread the answer.. ;-) great to see where you have come to.. been watching for years and i enjoy the grimsmo-life thoroughly.. greets from bavaria, germany.. :-)
Very impressive John Your skills are a thing of Awesomeness well donenow to the next project teach the Tormach to cook Bacon and Eggs for one of your late night snacks at work!
Having over 20 years of injection mold making manufacturing experience, I was amazed at your video and the attention to detail. Great job! Realistically, I cringe at what the final cost will be for this pen. The machines, as well as machine time, is not cheap. Have you thought about a price point yet? (waits for the answer with some pain expected lol)
I think the clip and slider should be one part it would make it easier to “de-click”. Then the pocket to hide the circlip could be machine in the pen tube.
I have a challenge for you John, make a knurl (engraved?) on the pen shaft that starts light on the bottom (tip end) of the pen and fades out towards the middle. It's great that you have a new way to make the lathe make you $. I look forward to more of these videos on the pens.
My girlfriend says y’all should consider making a numbered box set, like an edc set, Rask, Saga and a precision top? All matching and numbered of course, maybe a flashlight down the road?
Try getting the titanium in a different temper (look for annealed or stress relieved grades and if you can avoid round bars...That should help with the warping, and maybe the machining too but you should know that by bending it straight you have used all of the material's elasticity and from now on everything force equals deformation, which is not good for a pen clip, unless you anneal it and start the heat treatment all over again which will warp it too. Judging from how far you had to bend it though it seems quite flexible but if you want to go all the way you need Nitinol. I don't expect this to be machinable at all but you can easily design a flexture using 2 flat strips of this bent in a strategic shape.
Not seen in the videos but can you show sometime what kinda ink cartridge this will take? And is there anything in the future about an automatic pencil?
If it'll take a standard Parker-style refill, then you should have a look at the Schmidt DSM2005/6/7/8 modules. They're self-contained pencil mechanisms that are pretty much a direct swap for a pen refill. Kelvin uses them in his pencils, they're really great quality. Link here - www.schmidttechnology.de/en/schreibgeraete/produkte/vorschubmechaniken/c_1_1_1.htm
Start using part numbers, then the name is a comment or something which doesn't have to change. Good starting point is start year month - sub assembly part number in sub assembly - revision e.g., 1805-0101-1 That makes organization way easier in your folders. so you don't have to remember, did I call the latest one the ball lock, or locking ball?
Hey John just wanted to let you know that at some point in the video you were kind of blurry if you want to let your video girl know. Top notch pen though, can't wait for the next episode!
When Will they go on Sale? Would be a awesome conversation starter. I work on a nlx 2000 still new to machining been about a year there s so much to learn and get your head around. almost overwhelming. but the pens are beautiful and i cant believe u managed no chatter amazing.
This probably reduces process reliability and adds a non-trivial amount of complexity, but, couldn't you get two clips from essentially one piece of stock by opposing them and slot milling between the two clips
This clip looks very nice and I understand you striving to fully use the capabilities of your machines, but isn't making this tiny thin part out of a big (comparably) chunk of titanium a huge waste of material?
You should check out the microscope from the strange parts UA-cam channel. He just did a vido on it. Has video out and is only like $400 I think. He used it for tiny soldering work.
He's using the inside diameter to hold the clip on the right side, If he can hold the outside diameter of the clip without crushing it on the left side and bore the center, without crashing into the long part of the clip, I think its possible. I dont know if there would be enough room to mill the inside of the clip with 2 parts on opposite sides of each other. In the previous video they mentioned that both spindles are synchronized at the start of the op and it seemed like it was a manual only setting to turn the syncing off, so if they don't have the room to mill 2 clips opposite |=| they would need to babysit the machine to de sync the spindles and make some space between the two | _ --| #NotAMachinistBut...
oh i know there would be many obstacles ... and i know if it were at all possible it would be much more difficult and require some like ball ended mill or something and it would make it where he'd be unable to engrave the back of the clip ... was just a thought i had ... i know that more than likely it wouldn't be practical do try to do it that way
Be careful with bending the clips in the machine. The stresses in your bars will change slightly from heat to heat. You might get a variance there and they might still need handwork.
Cool vid!! As was at Smoky Mountain Knife Works today & struck up a conversation w another customer & we started talking edc...& what was he carrying? A Norsman!! It was my 1st time handling one & WOW!!! Pics & vids just do not do it justice!! I've always wanted one, now I'm on a mission! I've fondled some nice knives, midtechs, customs, & that's probly the sweetest blade I've ever had in my hands
I first got hooked on your channel because of seeing the processes you went through to get the machining working, anodizing, etc. I really enjoyed seeing the struggle followed by the success which sums up my experience making things. Participating in your learning process was very enlightening. I've enjoyed watching your more recent videos, but really missed seeing some of the development process and the things that didn't work right the first time. Thanks for going more in that direction with this video. I agree the rounded shape of the clip having the same centerline as the pen body makes an elegant design. These little touches are what elevate it above the others. People will want to touch it, if it were square it wouldn't be the same.
Great progress on the clip. I'm loving keeping up to date with the world of Grimsmo! Can't wait to buy my Saga either!
I'm really enjoying this series. Shades of knife making Tuesday. The mechanism is very cool. In the other video I noticed your "machinist engineer hero" sticker. I got a good laugh from it. My personal favorite is "machinist- like an engineer but with common sense"
Damascus steel clicky thing would be awesome
My guess is the clip is deforming because of residual stresses in the material. Residual stress can be removed by annealing the titanium. Great Work John.
As a machined pen lover, I’ll warn you to make sure that the center of gravity is below where the pen is resting on the hand while holding. Surely Saga pen is mechanistically beautiful, but beware of the ergonomic.
I was hoping someone mentioned that. Pen is cool, but it's still a pen and people are going to want to write with it and have it feel good when doing it. Just hopefully he dosen't overlook that part.
Fred Newman yeah, i hope they see it too. With All those metal parts of the click mechanism hopefully they designed to be not top heavy.
My first thought as well, super top heavy. Pretty, neat, but would never use/carry it with bad weighting.
That Tormach holder in the 'Nak....
Legacy baby...
i would actually prefer one of your pens without clip.. there's something so slick about the pre-clip versions in the video before.. that totally fits the futuristic clicky-thing ^^ any idea how much that kind of thing will be going for? i dread the answer.. ;-)
great to see where you have come to.. been watching for years and i enjoy the grimsmo-life thoroughly..
greets from bavaria, germany.. :-)
Good to hear! I'll have to consider a clipless version.
Very impressive John Your skills are a thing of Awesomeness well donenow to the next project teach the Tormach to cook Bacon and Eggs for one of your late night snacks at work!
Having over 20 years of injection mold making manufacturing experience, I was amazed at your video and the attention to detail. Great job! Realistically, I cringe at what the final cost will be for this pen. The machines, as well as machine time, is not cheap. Have you thought about a price point yet? (waits for the answer with some pain expected lol)
So when are we going to see Grismo flashlights? Or maybe bad ass multi tool.
I think the clip and slider should be one part it would make it easier to “de-click”. Then the pocket to hide the circlip could be machine in the pen tube.
I have a challenge for you John, make a knurl (engraved?) on the pen shaft that starts light on the bottom (tip end) of the pen and fades out towards the middle.
It's great that you have a new way to make the lathe make you $.
I look forward to more of these videos on the pens.
My girlfriend says y’all should consider making a numbered box set, like an edc set, Rask, Saga and a precision top? All matching and numbered of course, maybe a flashlight down the road?
Try getting the titanium in a different temper (look for annealed or stress relieved grades and if you can avoid round bars...That should help with the warping, and maybe the machining too but you should know that by bending it straight you have used all of the material's elasticity and from now on everything force equals deformation, which is not good for a pen clip, unless you anneal it and start the heat treatment all over again which will warp it too. Judging from how far you had to bend it though it seems quite flexible but if you want to go all the way you need Nitinol. I don't expect this to be machinable at all but you can easily design a flexture using 2 flat strips of this bent in a strategic shape.
Not seen in the videos but can you show sometime what kinda ink cartridge this will take? And is there anything in the future about an automatic pencil?
Currently it'll take the EasyFLOW9000, with plans for others. No plans for a pencil but I might think about it.
If it'll take a standard Parker-style refill, then you should have a look at the Schmidt DSM2005/6/7/8 modules. They're self-contained pencil mechanisms that are pretty much a direct swap for a pen refill. Kelvin uses them in his pencils, they're really great quality. Link here - www.schmidttechnology.de/en/schreibgeraete/produkte/vorschubmechaniken/c_1_1_1.htm
Would you use an EDM on this clip if you had one or just stay with the lathe?
Any idea on how many you’re actually bring to blade?
I Machined titanium for the first time yesterday both cnc and manual (turning)and it is so hard it makes me apresheate this so much more
wow,looks really nice.Do you know how much this pen is gonna go for??
you gotta machine an phone holder for your microscope.
Very cool!
Start using part numbers, then the name is a comment or something which doesn't have to change. Good starting point is start year month - sub assembly part number in sub assembly - revision e.g., 1805-0101-1 That makes organization way easier in your folders. so you don't have to remember, did I call the latest one the ball lock, or locking ball?
Will the clip be stiffer because it was slightly cold worked?
so the lathe is now just a 4 axis mill?
Hey John just wanted to let you know that at some point in the video you were kind of blurry if you want to let your video girl know. Top notch pen though, can't wait for the next episode!
can you 3D print a mount for the camera on the microscope?
is it based on a pneumatic chuck?
Going to make a pen Marker's choice sign-up?
Will these be available for sale? I want one but can't come all the way to Canada
Yep, they'll be on our website sometime after Blade Show, and we're gonna sell some of them at Blade Show this weekend in Atlanta
Will keep an eye on the website then as Atlanta is still along way from the UK ;-)
Looking nice and beefy!
Would be great to see the CAM and a cycle running ont he clip, alot of C and Y axis stuff there
When Will they go on Sale? Would be a awesome conversation starter. I work on a nlx 2000 still new to machining been about a year there s so much to learn and get your head around. almost overwhelming. but the pens are beautiful and i cant believe u managed no chatter amazing.
This probably reduces process reliability and adds a non-trivial amount of complexity, but, couldn't you get two clips from essentially one piece of stock by opposing them and slot milling between the two clips
This clip looks very nice and I understand you striving to fully use the capabilities of your machines, but isn't making this tiny thin part out of a big (comparably) chunk of titanium a huge waste of material?
Very cool I want one
this just sounds more like a swiss part
You should check out the microscope from the strange parts UA-cam channel. He just did a vido on it. Has video out and is only like $400 I think. He used it for tiny soldering work.
I wonder if you can 3d print this part
Awesome 😎 👏🏻
i feel like you could get two clips out of that amount of material one at both ends ... but i'm also not a machinist
He's using the inside diameter to hold the clip on the right side, If he can hold the outside diameter of the clip without crushing it on the left side and bore the center, without crashing into the long part of the clip, I think its possible. I dont know if there would be enough room to mill the inside of the clip with 2 parts on opposite sides of each other.
In the previous video they mentioned that both spindles are synchronized at the start of the op and it seemed like it was a manual only setting to turn the syncing off, so if they don't have the room to mill 2 clips opposite |=| they would need to babysit the machine to de sync the spindles and make some space between the two | _ --|
#NotAMachinistBut...
oh i know there would be many obstacles ... and i know if it were at all possible it would be much more difficult and require some like ball ended mill or something and it would make it where he'd be unable to engrave the back of the clip ... was just a thought i had ... i know that more than likely it wouldn't be practical do try to do it that way
Awesome Video
Greetings from Germany
Thanks!!
Be careful with bending the clips in the machine. The stresses in your bars will change slightly from heat to heat. You might get a variance there and they might still need handwork.
"multi-directional actuating plunger'
Is it weird that I keep reading saga as sega? lol
Bore out the ‘clicky thingy’ to lighten the pen some. Too heavy on the rear right now.
you need to make it say shot show on the ones you take
CHOICE!
Renzetti would lap those clips. Slider should be called the foreskin. 😜
Great programmer
What is the name for the pattern of #1164 (at 12:55)? Looks reeaaally nice.
That's the diamond pattern!
Thank you!