Sony A7S III vs EOS R5 - Are Canon Colors REALLY Better?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2020
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I liked all the Canon footage
Some may object to using a $2300 Canon lens on the Canon vs a $700-800 third party lens on the Sony - I personally see more odd color (with Samyang/Rokinon) and contrast (with Tamron) with 3rd party lenses - but I think the results of this test are still pretty much valid. It's essentially a wash except for the log shots. Half of the first 8 shots I picked Sony and half I picked Canon. I picked Canon for all 4 of the log scenes. Cheers.
Great review! Yes, the R5 is amazing in low light and probably the king up to ISO 12,800. I think it's very underrated in its low light abilities and the colours, especially at 8:10 look 100x better on the R5. People just assume that because of the large sensor the R5 will suck at low light but Canon did something special with their new cameras and they make their own sensors unlike Nikon and Fuji who just rehash Sony sensors.
I knew which one is canon, because look at the skintones of the sony has ,it still has green cast on ths skin. Also it's not over sampled, its downsampled from 8k.
@@ossme which one was Canon?
Issue I've had with Sony is that Greenish tint which you can still see on the girl and the little boys skin, as well as the chrome trim on the truck and the dogs fur.
Other than that greenish-blue tint, Sony is really good. one of the reasons it looks more attractive at a glance is because your eye is more attracted to the green color in that first split second when seeing a plant or an image, it's a survival thing. I think the Cine line of Sony cameras is the only camera that doesn't have this greenish look from my user experience.
Does anyone know if there's a way to remove the green tint from photos in the Sony?
Just to reply to my own question - I've not noticed any green tint with my Sony A7c and Sony 35mm f1.8 (skin tones are great), BUT I've heard the 35mm Samyang can give a green tint (I'd imagine it's the same with all Samayang lenses, and is likely due to the lens coatings used).
@@Mickparrysstepdad You can shift the color balance more toward magenta in camera or in post.
The green tint is intended to mimic film stock somewhat. There was complaints of this being really bad on the FX9 when it was released and that was Sony's explanation
@@dna8269 I've not had any problems with green tint (Sony A7c).
Camera *A* was a winner for the night time
Agreed!
No, he didn't utilized the color of sony. too much green tint in sony on the last video
@@paulodomingo8120 what do you mean by utilize?
@@elias38 slog3 profile and grade in resolve
*the first set of 8 video samples I chose B and for the 2nd set of 4 video samples I chose A*
Same here. Looks like the S-log3 footage was just green tinted - just a mild tweak away from correct.
I don’t think he color graded the slog footage well. That first shot with blue sky on canon and overblown on Sony is a real shocker!
@@zakiradi450 Camera picks the color is the point of the exercise. All modern sensors capture thousands of times more data than is contained in a final 24bit color image. You can get any color style from any camera. When we talk color science and camera colors we are talking about what the camera chooses to do automatically.
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 I know. I just said the color grading (done by user) wasn't good on Sony.
I got 90% of them right. I've been using Sony for close to 5 years, my eyes are engineered to pick out their shitty color science.
Much improved over the previous colors!
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Could tell from the very first shot that canon was A. There where a few shots that made me doubt it but overall you can see that canon always has the warmer greens and more magenta in skintones which makes it easy to spot
What camera should I get? A7iii or A7siii? I don’t plan on taking advantage of the new Sony memory cards because the file sizes are way to large . However stabilization and low light is very important to me. So we are talking about a $1800price increase if I go with the a7siii, do I really need that though? Help me out.!
Wow I went with camera A 9/12 times! Thought you were mixing up the cameras shot to shot so expected a result much more 50/50... To me the A tones looked a little more natural and workable while on B sometimes noticed odd colour casts... really surprised Canon killed Sony with that last night exposure of the building!... the one B stood out for me was the much warmer landscape field
I taught that I would have prefer the Sony colors because of other compare videos and the new A7S III colors, but looking at the clips, the Sony sky's where weird alien, the skin tones where a little too green on some conditions. Tx for the video!
Yeah, Parker Walbeck showed the A7SIII while better than other Sony cams, still exhibits the green skin problems.
agree on the skin issues
Well darn it, this makes me want to cancel my A7S3 order. I have no interest in the R5, but the C70 looks very good. I preferred Camera A pretty much every time. At best it was a tie for one or two. So many amazing cameras out there now.
C70 is different level,. But the price of it is also on different lvl,.
I end up using the camera colors maybe 10% of the time... This whole exercise only applies to what the camera does automatically... Raw files contain hundreds of shades of color in-between every possible color step in a 24bit image. Seems silly to let a very simple automatic routine in a camera choose exactly how those 14 bits (16384 shades) per color gets rendered down to 8bits (256 shades) per color. over 90% of the information in the image gets thrown away to make that 24bit image. Am I going to choose what to keep and what to throw out of that data or will I let a very weak AI choose for me?
Hey Thad! I don’t know which camera you ended up getting, but you can get a lut called Phantom Luts for the Sony system and the colors match to those of an Arri camera, which most people in the Cine community says has the best colors of them all. It’s amazing and worth a look if you ended up getting the Sony
One thing to note is that you were using S.Gamut 3 Cine. Unless you've been given some new Cine LUT, The Sony LUT isn't made for the Cine profile so you probably messed the colours up there.
S-Gamut3.Cine is also the wrong LUT to use for UA-cam.
"Combining S-Gamut3.Cine with S-Log3, which has gradation characteristics similar to those of scanned negative film, makes it easier to grade a movie for playback on devices such as a digital cinema projector."
For a closer comparison, try use S-Log2 and the standard S-Gamut.
Or don't use S-Gamut at all as it is fake. Use the i t matrix 703
S-gamut in a7siii is still fake according to their website.
It is not fake at all, just smaller than on the cinema cameras. You can use the smaller .cine variants instead.
You can use whatever you like with UA-cam as capture and rendering aren't the same. S log 3 gives a lot of latitude for editing.
Thank you so much for this! I got the Canon every time! Definitely, the canon has the better colors! Especially for portraits.
GREAT video, Max. I’m a Canon/Blackmagic shooter but the a7S iii is on my list.
For me it was an even split, but Cam A won all the Log settings. Meaning Cam B won the non-log settings by a lot. Which was unexpected. And also I am now more confused than before 😂.
Same for me
Same!
Can I just say they're both fantastic. I'd be more than happy with either image.
Thanks so much for the review, Max. 8:4 for A cam in my case, that's exactly what i needed at the moment
Soon as there’s skin involved I can tell instantly when it’s Sony as the darker parts of the skin have a green tint
It’s the green ... just the worst
The Canon also seems to add red. They always have.
Great video thanks!
Hey mate , can u please make a comparison video of sony a7siii with bmpcc6k
I prefer Sony colors for landscapes and Canon colors for portraits
I had much the same feelings towards the results.
I agree 100%
Same here... I have canon R5 and Sony A9II. And I shoot a lot of wildlife... And somewhere I love the Sony colours more in the habitat. But while shooting portraits I prefer the canon colours.
Have you heard about color targets? Calibration? Luts? Dcp profiles?
@@photobatya Yes, but it is irrelevant to the topic "which colors do you subjectively like more straight out of the camera".
Definitely liked the R5 the best. Both in standard profile and in LOG. Can you test more in depth high ISO performance? Up to 25600 at least?
That landscape shot is gorgeous. I hope some resolution and low light compraison is coming too!
Pretty consistent with old color science, canon has magenta tint and sony green tint.
Not sure why anyone would prefer the green tint over a magenta tint either, especially when it comes to skin tones.
@@Dub105 Generally speaking though, people would rather look a little pink than a little green. No bride was ever like, "I love how green I look!"
@@JoshAmes1980 yes true !!!
Old color science??? Older sonys had a serious magenta cast
Hulk = awesome that’s why green > magenta
Wow, didn't expect the R5 to look better in low light! I picked B for test 1-8 then A for the last 4. I suspect with further tweaking though the slog could look better than shown here. Would have been nice to see some low light test in the first two profiles.
Great video again!
Love the colors of the a7siii
Would love to see a low-light side-by-side comparison between the a7siii and the former low-light king the a7sii, especially in how the lowlight noise and details compare to each-other... is it a big improvement or not?
Yes please. This !!
wish u had the camera settings, especially the low light... great vid
To me, it's the lens and quality of light that affects the colors more. I noticed a big bump in image quality after I bought my first decent lens. I think it has to be the coatings that help absorb light better.
Please expert, is Combining S-Gamut3.Cine with S-Log3 a good idea? that is what I saw from another of Max's videos but I am not sure if that is the best option or just use gamut3
Thanks for making this comparaison. It confirme my experience using canon and Sony dsrl : under natural light they are both pretty close (envie though I found that Sony skin tones has a bit more green) but under artificial light (boy at night) this were you see how canon color shines for skin tones
Too big color difference on "Night Kid in car park" scene...
The face too green...
@@DarkPa1adin that's a white balance issue not a color science thing
@@DarkPa1adin Greenish tint look very cinematic, magenta cranked to 11 on the Canon looks like crap
@@MM-gx8fd Are you suggesting Sony AWB is inferior to Canon? Max used Auto WB right?
@@akekun1983 I question why he used AWB on any shot. Manual custom would be preferable to compare colors.
totally liked the Canon COLORS better, hands down. The Sony often looks greenish/yellowish.
I did prefer the Sony's less contrasty look though, although I guess this is easily fixed if one wanted to.
I would like to see more on the noise comparison!!!
As always though, UA-cam is no good at all for comparing video quality. Either a better service like Vimeo or offer videos for download!
I’m surprised you chose a night scene for log - a hi con day scene would have been a much better test. Both cameras had flickering lights on that last scene and the SLog3 looked green and washed out. Thanks for the tests.
Max. Did you see Bloom’s video on Sony noise at various ISOs? Just 1/3 stop could be the difference between no noise, and a lot of noise. Plus, those settings vary on the profile used.
Woooo, i wrote my results and I didn't pat attention to the pattern that i was following lol.
I chose A 9 times, 2 of them were even ( 5 and 11 i think both were as good to not pick any above the other, and i liked Sony better only in the second shot.
The Sony gives a more saturated image straight out of the camera i guess, but i noticed a green ish hue to the skin and that's why i kept choosing the more pink healthy ish skin tone.
In the waterfall shot i could have chosen B, but i thought it was too saturated already, that's the only one I'd switch.
Overall, i like Canon colors better, i have a M50 and i barely shoot with it, but I'm very glad that it has the tones i like the most 😁
since am very familiar to my little rx100m6 and as some have mentioned the greenish skintones and extra saturated skied kinda gave it away , the canon really did shine in all of them looks like you had made my upgrade plan more easier .
BAAB, BABA, AAAA. So the Canon log seems to be my favorite :)
we have literally the exact same scores. clog looked great
My exact rating.
Hey Max,
Appreciate the content on this and the other channel (Max Tech). I always learn a lot from it.
Have a small request. Would it be possible to make a "mobile setup video" where you use only iPhones and iPads. Preferably the entry level ones (iPhone SE, iPad 8th Gen, Luma Fusion), but the Pro models work too.
Curious because there's so much I don't know about photography. I'm slowly learning from other channels like Primal Video, but I'd really love to see your take on the concept.
Stay safe, and thanks for all the great work that you do.
Also, does color science apply to the jpegs or the raw files?
It would be nice if you can share some log footage to us for colorgrading..so we can decide which one
B - 10 A - 2 (the last two samples) Great video! Thanks for the comparison.
Hi Max. I chose A on 12 out of 14. So all of the Neutral and Slog were A. Only the 2nd and 4th (in out of the box) did I pick B. I look at two things: 1) are the whites pure in any light or is there a hint of green? 2) Do the skin tones look perfect or do they have a touch (a kiss) of green or are they sunburned rosy look? BTW, I want to buy your NX1. ) Fletch
Sometimes I would shoot on my A7iii and just shake my head as to how the image could look so bad but after watching a number of videos online I have a feeling the Sony sensors really don't handle mixed lighting conditions that well. I mean in some shots it looked great but others just plain awful where the canon didn't seem to have this issue
i actually scored a draw on the end, mainly because i liked the canon's log results way better. the greenish tint of the sony is just way too apparent on those night shots. on the daytime shots it really depends - i found the skin colors on the canon to be more natural and better looking, while the landscape shots (especially with a lot of green) looked much better on the sony.
the good thing though is that, now that the a7s III does 10 bit, you don't need to be afraid to get ugly artifacts and color shifts if you want to change it in post.
off topic, @Max can you please make a comparison video between Sony ZV-1 and iPhone 12 when it comes out? Thank you for the great content! 🙏🏻
Both look Good actually. i think for someone like me who color grade your footage the sony is way way better choice
good low light
great dynamic range
nice color
nice codecs
no overheating
Result like expected, i prefer the Canon. Thanks for this tests !
You should do a setup guide for the R5
Any choose , both look alright
8A 4B Greate test! Both look great!
i think you should show which is richer in color by how flexible the footage go when you grade.
When you say canon looks better in low light what iso were you on for both cameras ?
Max, Will you keep any of this camera for your own production. If yes. which one would you keep it?
Yea. 3 A7S3’s are here for good!
@@MaksimYuryev i ordered 1 s3 just because I have too many glasses. It is arriving tomorrow. I will make a review as well. However, I also like Canon R5 because it gives you 45megas for great landscape photoshoots. The only downside is overheating. this is why went to sony again.
My scores were A-6, B-2 and Tie-4
Similar to me
@zulfikangga Yeah, I biased towards the Canon colors that I like more. I'd still rather shoot video with the Sony, because of my bias that prefers dynamic range over out of camera color. Bias is normal dude, come to peace with yours
Great job Max for real life, outdoors comparison. I scored B-7, A-3, Tie-2.
If I was shooting a documentary, I would choose the Sony every time. I have screen with 100% RGB accuracy. The waterfall (3rd image) the Canon shows the rock face with a cold blue cast, the waterfall has lost detail, and the shadows under the trees are darker and less detailed... while the Sony waterfall mage is better is every way including colours. In the first eight images the Canon shows some faced with a little less detail (slightly blurred?). This is very odd (I trust Max got it right) as the Canon has dual pixel auto-focus and a 4K HQ image (down sampled 8K).... which should on paper match or beat the Sony but fails in these real-life tests.
The most troubling image is the last image (little Max under the street lights)... at first I gave the win to the Canon (sharper & better colours) but changed it to a tie... the Canon has made the image with "Canon colours" by typical pushing red into the skin tones but also the yellow brick has been "correct" for daylight yellow (looks unnatural)?? .... However, the Sony seems truer to life for a nighttime streetlight scene (there is a natural colour cast). I find the Canon colours tend to be over processed and are not accurate to life.
On top of this the Canon also has overheating issues with high quality modes and the Canon codecs are more CPU intensive to edit.
I found A always had better/natural color spectrum/resolving in the images, and the B has always had either green or magenta over-tones which looked lacking wider color-spectrum, (i,e resolving image into a narrower color spectrum with these over-tone shades).....that said color preferences are subject to personal perception of the image/scene....... Big thanks to Max for this beautiful experiment as it helps my own decision in future as am not yet committed to either system......
I felt the same way, even though I am a Sony shooter 😄
For all the colour graded Raw footages, I chose Camera A..❤️
Its interesting that when we usually talk about skin tones, its typically in reference to Caucasian skin. I'd really like see a comparison of camera colors with models who are Indian, Native American, Black, Asian, Middle Eastern etc. Let's see what these cameras do with different skin tones across the board. It think that would offer a more realistic, accurate picture of how skin tones are handled by each camera. (Of course that maybe difficult during Covid, but just something we need to see...sometime)
Certainly there is a reason why caucasions are used as models. Color tones are easier to notice. Vs on someone who's skin color is brown or coffee black. Especially in bright to low light conditions. Now if you are going to test sensor capability. In low to very low light conditions. Then including people who's skin color. That is brown trough coffee black. Alongside white, red and yellow would be perfect.
Thank you I have been searching for a7siii skin tone content that show people with melanin and have really struggled to find anything of quality!
Hi MAX ! great vids as usual!
when you get the C70 in , please could you do a image quality test ? 8k + 8k raw verses C70 highest quality you can get from it.
the 8k just looks so nice and id like to know how the c70 stacks up against it. I saw the canon Australia video with the two musicians on the rock but that didn't impresss me at all !! ... also is the 422 of the c70 going be as hard to edit as the R5 ?
many thanks .. hope you make this video
I keep finding that s-log, even in the hands of people that know what they’re doing, looks worse than c-log. I still preferred the Canon colors on the 709 profiles in most of the shots, but the Sony colors looked good and close enough that it wouldn’t really sway me either way in terms of buying a camera.
I have a Sony A7s3. And went for the Canon nearly every time. Less of a a green tint (genuinely making me thinking of switching)
The Clog footage was so impressive and a very unexpected win for Canon in low light.
Hi max. I just found your channel. A lot of good information and thank you for that.
Does this video still hold with the current colors sony produces?
Biggest difference I noticed from the start and the reason I picked the Canon shots out right away was the clarity and slightly sharper colors. The Sony pictures appeared to have a very slight haze compared to Canon.
Another Great video, where did you find that Canon Log to 709 V2 as I can't find it anywhere
Very cool video. Its pretty easy to spot the Sony footage for the trained eye. Shadows are better exposed and skin tones are more green/yellow on a Sony. Sony is also sharper in the areas of contrast. The one clip that did fool me was the waterfall image in the first set. I found that the clips with faces I preferred the Canon skin tones. I was also surprised that I preferred both low light clips shot with the R5. Cool video. I'll pass this along to my photographer buddies.
Hi Max, I was very surprised, I liked the Sony colours better. I would love you to do a low light comparison next with these cameras. The Sony has dual gain iso, so in slog3 when it hits 12800 iso, the noise is dramatically reduced. Do you think the R5 has had a dual gain sensor?
I thought for sure A was the Sony! I had that "magenta shift" I've heard of in my mind, and thought I saw that more in A.. interesting. Great video as always! Thanks Max!
Can we use c -log profile in every file format?
Wow! Ya, much prefer the A7Siii. Thanks for sharing Max!
I wished had you added the Panasonic S1H to the mix to compare Panasonic colors.
This is great. Can you do a a7iii vs a7s iii
I bought into the canon colors hype but I like the sony look better. Whenever I grey card I don't seem to have to change the skin tones unless the flash is mixed with continuous light or if my settings aint right
im all B except for the low light is a tight for me buiding shot goes to sony and the lil boy goes to canon. i didn't expect this tbh. almost think about switching to canon, but yeah hopefully i get the a7siii by the end for this year.
edit: ow the scenery shot( 05:48 )? definitely canon.
calibrate your monitor. b looks like green garbage. skin tones look sickly
The colors can vary from lens to lens. Did you use the same lenses?
he didn't
Thank you, literally the only comment on here pointing out one of the biggest factors
I finished up with 7 for Canon, 5 for Sony. Some were kinda closer in terms of which looked better and more natural (not always the same thing), in some scenes the difference was massive. The interesting part was though that when I focus on one aspect (e.g. only skin tones or only green foliage or like overal weird shifts in clear colors like white, orange, yellow) my outcome was not consistent. I took my time looking at various aspects of each scene, made some comments by how much I thought there is a difference and where I saw them before revealing the result to myself. So apparently it is possible to note e.g. an unnatural green shift in the skin tone in both Canon and Sony. But obviously those are example scenes and it might be hard to extrapolate that to every other situation. Nevertheless, I would have assumed it to be more consistent what I find in each camera.
I really like the recent results I have seen on the Sony A7s iii in terms of colors, but overally I found the Canon results here better. I am shooting Sony right now and like the colors it produces, maybe I should give Canon a shot some time.
Your effort you put into this video is highly appreciated. These types of videos are so much more helpful than the "typically found" ones.
Wow I really like the a7siii ! I actually thought it was the canon before you reveal the results 😳
One through eight are the deciders here, and I chose "B" for all eight. On the last four graded shots, I chose "A". Nice work Max.
Drastic difference in the Power Wheels shot with the car color! Which is most correct?
i was hoping youd switch up the shots a little. It was obvious the B was a little greener and probably the sony in every shot. I preferred it in all cases except shots 2 and 12 where the red was nicer than the green. I still hate that the sky turns out teal with sony instead of blue, i could never figure out how they keep colors pretty accurate then make the sky completely change no matter where i shoot.
Do you compare A7s III vs Blackmagic pocket 6k?
I have to say that i like the pictures of the R 5 better than the S 3, bc the colors are without much tweaking so much richer. But on the hand i have to admit that i have smaller hands and shorter fingers, which means that i would feel more comfortable having to hold the S 3 than the R 5 in my hands. As soon as the extrem amount of covid cases go down in California i will go to a Best Buy to see how they both compared feel then i hold them in my hands. One question for you Max is the Canon RF 27/70 2.8 roughly the same size as the similar Sony G Master lens. That could maybe be the deciding difference in which camera i will choose
It's so easy to know which one is what. Since i shoot both systems i can see the difference. Sony have a green tint and canon magenta, and on canon at least on skin tone is so good but on sony not that much and even how much you try in post there is still that little green cast that you can't get rid off. I've saw and on other reviewers aswell
Picked B for the first two sets. Better colour and dynamic range. Then A on the last set. The last set though for the Sony looked like the profile was wrong. Why not set colour and white balance using a colour chart then go from there.
My result : Canon EOS R5 (9) and Sony A7SIII (3)... Yep, didnt expect the lowlight would be much better for R5 than the A7SIII, and no I am not both brand user. Just here looking at the footage for comparison :D
What iso was it on the night shoot? Be aware of the A7siii dual iso transition
Great comparison Max! I would like sometime to see a comparison like this in trickier lighting! For event shooters in spaces with uncontrolled lighting, i think this is where canon truly shines! 😁
Man, that green tinge on the sony though
Hey Max, I have a question. Are you sure you didn't mix up the cameras the second shot, with the kid in the car? Or is it a WB difference? Because the Sony image has an overall green hue and the Canon leans more towards the magenta side, in the other shots. That being said, I picked the Canon for most shots. Sony Should definitely work on their color science some more. They ought to give us an in camera color science profile switcher in the menu. That would be great.
I liked both
Both look fantastic on their own. However, I preferred the Canon 9 out of 12 times. I nearly chose the Canon on the landscape shot because it was more neutral but preferred the Sony for the warmer WB. In general it seemed most of the Sony clips had a green cast to them.
I'm not sure how my screen is calibrated but i definately liked the canon colours by far and I shoot sony!
From a Sony shooter: 9 to 3 for Canon 😣
please can you make a comparison at 1080p?
Thank you!
A color comparison between the a7siii and the a7iii would be interesting
i think its a bit easy to identify the moment it was tested in lowlight situations. the canon colour maintains in lowlight but its a bit darker
I preferred the Canon better in the first profile and in log, which in Sony looked not great for skin tones. I prefer the warmer reds in outdoors. However, I think differences are probably easy to correct-equalize in post.
I mostly run and gun, short bursts or 1-3min videos. Would the R5 still overheat?
Sony is much better in low light but when it comes to log, and color grading.
Sony tends to break and becoming grainy, and also no camera can beat canon 4K HQ,. Even Tony, Gerald, and frono see the difference,.
The only downside of r5 is overheating issues,. That's why gelard undone and others would not recommend r5 for professional work of videography,.
Probably Bcam,. For short highlights,. But never as a Acam,.
Canon really sucks, they intentionally crippled r5 because they released new camera the c70
I got everything as A except one B and one where it depends which bit of the image you look at, but picked A, just.
It does depend if you want natural colours or nice colours though. Too much green in B sometimes...
Also who knows what the actual scenes looked like...
(Oh and how about ITU709 with Cine2 !!)
The Canon has simply the warmer colors / higher contrast between warm and cooler colors. I know that a lot of you tubers say that you can make the Sony A 7 S III look like the Eis R 5, but how much extra time, per video will this take you.....the decision will come up for me in Summer then i have to make the decision. What makes my decision making tougher is that i will need a 3 camera set up, and for that both of theses cameras plus a more budget friendlier can era, but which makes videos of a similar Quality like the Lumix S 5 will be pricey. Max what would be your advice as which camera too choose. Just so you know it will be a music production, gear reviews covers, centric channel ?
pretty split down the middle. also, tough considering i would have adjusted the white balance and exposure different on some shots and it made it hard for me to judge
A 1,2 / 6,8 / 9,10,11,12
B 3,4 / 5,7 /
I preferred either camera until log applied. I always found green tint on skins, and always preferred R5 over a7S III. I also preferred bluer sky from Canon files.
Can’t wait to see the Canon C70 comparison thrown in too. Great comparisons.
I was expecting that you would switch what camera A and B were randomly, so it would be more about the image and less about guessing which camera was which letter. I think that might have been a better way to do it. I picked Sony twice, Group 1: Shot 2 and Group 2: Shot 1. The rest were A for me, pretty definitively. Even though I thought you were switching what A and B were.