Alberto Salazar: Doping In Athletics Documentary
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- This is an educational and informative investigative piece into the alleged doping in athletics by the Nike Oregon Project head coach, Alberto Salazar.
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That's the kind of doco I wanted to see for quite some time. Thank you.
WORLD-CLASS DOCUMENTARY!
Informaive, trustworthy, sympathetic, enlightning and very, very, very surprising!
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Excellent documentary sir! Finally someone who has brought to the forefront the realities of elite athletes and what many of them are willing to do to stay on top. Also, how so many of these athletes get away without the blind eye of the agencies that are supposed to enforce anti-doping practices.
Great documentary. Too bad they didn't talk to Ryan Hall. I'm very curious why he left Salazar's group so quickly.
Alberto Salazar’s program is heavily based on speed. Most athletes can’t handle it, especially a marathon guy like Ryan Hall.
Was active in the sport in 1970s & 80s and mixed with some reasonably high level runners (not gold medalists but some internationals) and nobody at the time thought Wells and other UK sprinters were not on drugs. This is not proof of anything but it was the very widespread belief at the time.
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If anything this documentary raises philosophical questions about what it is to cheat. Mark Daly at 31:30 describes himself as a successful cheat. But all he did was experience an improvement in his performance. He didn't actually use it to his advantage. He didn't compete, ergo he didn't cheat. Would have been nice to see him win a triathlon by a mile, but on race day things are not that clear cut. And no one is really bothered about seeing a guy who normally finishes 500th finish 490th (or whatever).
It is also naive to assume that any athlete in serious contention for gold/wr/place at the olympics/whatever will not 'test the limits'. If you're not thinking about every one of those limits, then you're not thinking about winning. And those limits include things relating to human physiology, whether they be food supplements, drugs to treat illnesses, drugs to treat conditions, or drugs to treat illnesses and conditions that you might have but not at the moment. The limits relate to how the rules are interpreted too. If the rules say "If you're caught you're banned" then all this does is create a set of variables around which training is then organised. Try adding a further rule that "Everyone must follow the spirit of the rules" and you're screwed logically.
I would love to go back to the amateur days when your car mechanic who lives on fish and chips and pints of Guinness can turn up at the Olympics and be the surprise winner in the 110m hurdles, but those days are long gone. Nowadays we the public love sport so much that we now specialize in being spectators, and so much so that we're prepared to pay billions to watch it. As a result we've created a competitive environment that says 'to the winner the spoils' and we are sickened by the outcome.
BTW, my two favourite moments in Athletics (Track) are Ben Johnson winning gold in 1988 and John Landy doubling back for Ron Clarke in 1956 and still winning. Both moments are major outliers and - to any cynical mind - highly suspicious.
Ben Johnson was busted in ‘88. Bit more than suspicious, that. 🙂
I often wondered about Wells and how he came from nowhere to olympic champion to me it did not add up or fit
In summary: Everyone is on drugs.
+LukeBoys2 This is an extremely naive comment. I personally know outstanding athletes who were naturally talented and never took drugs. Note 14:00 where an insider is quoted about never reporting "a half dozen or so", who were taking drugs. That's a far cry from "everyone". Are you suggesting ALL the Kenyan, Moroccans, Ethiopians and other African runners are using drugs? LOL!!!!!
Cr Yo If you don't take it, you won't make it.
Cr Yo ALL elite level athletes at the top use drugs YOUR comment is extremely naive.
+LukeBoys2 so dont make take it bro.find another job and run for hobby
Da Tzir Thats the harsh reality. Makes me sad.
Judge: You face 47 years in prison
6ix9ine: You know what Alberto Salazar is up to in 2019
i dont get it
🤔
Watching this after his ban from coaching 2019 lmao
Dominique McAllister Galen rupp is fucked lol. Hes only ever had one coach his whole career and thats alberto
-- exactly lol the truth always comes out.
Yep
Update Galen Rupp DNF at Chicago marathon
@@dominique9535 update, Galen Rupp qualifies for Olympic Games 2020 and seems to be improving. It's not his fault he got a bad mentor from when he was a child. You can imagine how much that damaged him. I'm glad he is healing and still showing he had the talent and the dedication to begin with.
Read Tyler Hamilton's "The Secret Race". He shows just how it was done. Lays it bare.
One of the best books I've read, a real eye opener
just got it on kindle
It is a system problem. WADA allows athletes to miss 2 tests per year, and atypical ABP requires agreement of all 3 experts or else nothing happens.
this is so delusional, he was frustrated when he found out that lance was on the gear. like what was u thinking? holing 450 watts for 30 minutes in the last hour of racing in the heat is possible full natty brah? lol
Before I noticed you had a durianrider profile pic I knew you were somebody that watched his vids just from your comment lol
« full natty brah » :-D lol
If Mark Daly really wants to improve his Triathlon performance he should work on his running gait. His bouncy heelstriking should be banned!
ikr, and he says he's a keen athlete ffs XD
How about thank him for a good documentary
What has his running style got to do with the documentary?
@@gorytv9847 that's becouse there's always going to be idiot's and critics
You are an !d!ot. Someone who clearly has no idea of how running works.
this is like the icarus movie with no luck of meeting russian mastermind
Best way to catch athletes is substantial rewards for whistle blowers, and harsher penalty's for cheating. There needs to be some kind of encouragement to help clean up the sport, rather than creating another generation of athletes who seem to think if you cant beat em join em. Their philosophy seems to be take the secret to the grave and dont break the unwritten rule of flagging it up. You gotta ask why more athletes dont flag this stuff up, its obvs because they are getting something out of it themselves, either doping aswell, or getting something out of it financially. So many top athletes seem to be working with coaches who have a dirty pasts and yet feel safe enough to associate with them because its an in house secret that people wont break.
I agree good point
Good investigative work that raises serious questions about the sport of athletics and the use of PED's. As long as there is big money available, cheating is inevitable. And the cheats will always be way ahead of the testers. Very sad to think that success is down to how good a cheat you are...
how the hell all athletes had this thing called ASTHMA..Tell Lance to come see what meens to bust out butts out ...
COMPLIMENT - all 10 points from Germany for your work!
This is eye-opening. I am an athlete and wondered all about this topic, thanks for your diligent investigative reporting.
Steve is a hero and a true role model for athletes to look up to.
I don’t get the Armstrong thing. I remember watching as a kid literally everyone knew all the cyclists were doping. Everyone pretends to be surprised.
Just think this is 8 years old and rust never sleeps and the dopers will have got more sophisticated
Wells 11/1/2 stone to 14 stone in 2 years and all muscle.
Today all body builders, weight lifters and power lifters would say impossible.
Good on the bbc to release this info to the general public and not pander to external pressures and keep it quiet.
I'm around a 52 VO2 max according to a treadmill test measuring changes in heart rate.
It's not accurate unless you use the mask
True the mask is accurate. I would use sub- gold standard tests like the treadmill heart rate VO2 max test to see changes in VO2. For example, an improvement would most likely correlate with an improvement in your true VO2 max, even though the test itself is not accurate. Tests can be precise without being very accurate.
Therese johaug World Cup champion several times on cross country skiing had vo2 max of 82% but hence she had a doping scandal & she was ripped and shredded not usual for XC skiing they’re lean but not ripped as she was
Excellent and well made doc
Never stops amusing me that anytime an athlete is caught, they freak out and deny it all.
Carl Lewis, Mary Decker, and most recently Jannik Sinner.
Is it possible to watch this with subtitles - in English?
@@Autisticwanderer Way to roll with it.
.. Now let's make a documentary on Mo Farah???
Alberto Salazar obviously found a way to dope his athletes without them testing positive. He had the project doctor diagnose every single athlete as having a thyroid problem so he could give them meds that he thought would help their performance. And just because he's banned as a coach doesn't mean his influence over athletes is over, especially Rupp, who can't seem to function without Salazar. And Mo Farah: it's so unusual for someone to suddenly be able to have that incredible finishing kick after years of not being able to do that. People don't usually have that kind of sudden improvement at the age he was when he starting winning internationally. Even as a spectator, I thought Alan Wells was doping. You just had to look at how quickly he progressed and the change in his physical appearance.
Mo Farah has been cheating and that explains his sudden winning streak
Today two Salazar marathon runners were medalled spectacularly
"I had to become a doper myself" ROFL!! I like how these "investigative documentarians" claim they HAVE to dope to understand doping. Not really, you can simply look at the stats - when you see someone shave 16 minutes off their time in 4 weeks - yeah, that's kinda of an indication. Why arent they honest - that they themselves wanted to witness the effects of doping first hand? I myself am curious about too, but Im not a liar about it.
Excellent point...that was an entirely superfluous part of the documentary.
Not in agreement there. He takes it to understand what all the effects are. Times are just one aspect.
I don’t see a problem with it since he admits he is doing it
@@kylecharles9879 I have a problem with liars. He lies about *_why_* he is doing it "Oh, for investigation purposes". Um, no, youre doing it because he wants to witness the effects - see his performance improve and his times dropped. Nothing wrong with that - just dont lie about it.
What about Paula Radcliffe and her remarkable records? She probably could not have done it with out any help? What do you all think?
+Hever Morales like Alistar the MMA fighter said that he ate every day horse steak...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAAH FUKIN NUTTS
+Hever Morales radcliffe was doped to the eyeballs, every athlete at the top end were big money is involved is doped they are paid to win at any cost and if they dont agree they get binned and someone else takers there place its that easy.
i agree m8,Paula was way too doped man Hever Morales
Hever Morales I love Paula as a person and a broadcaster and desperately want to take her records at face value but with all the brilliant Africans who have doped and haven't even come close.... um, no.
I was suprised when she got so good. She ran fast but had no finishing kick and was always over taken on the last lap.
What about Jordan Hasey, I mean she claims that she new Salazar was being investigated then suddenly drops out...🤔
The part when Goucher said that you don't break the American record 1 month after an exhausting season I had a problem with. First, we don't know just how "tired" Galen really was. Second, a month is a long time for recovery and one of the aspects that Alberto trains hard into his athletes is recovery. There are videos online of hard post race workouts that he puts his athletes through. That not only trains you to be a better runner but also trains you to recover more quickly. 3rd, it's indoor season! The first bit of races after every major season is indoor track, a time when athletes aren't in their peak performance. That also includes past athletes that set those records. So yes, that is how that works.
***** "we" may not know how "tired" Galen really was; but I am sure Goucher, who was actually there, who was/is herself a World class athlete who is very familiar with how an athlete's body responds to fatigue and recovery, knows what she is saying. You may be an athlete yourself and if you race competitively you know that sometimes after a hard season of training/racing leaves you "tired" ......it is darn near impossible to peak again in one month for a record setting performance...... unless you have "help"
Sean Power
But just like the last person who set that record they were most likely coming off a hard season. Most indoor athletes are/were. Just because he broke a record isn't an indication alone that he was doing something wrong.
+Sean Power sure you recover but that doesn't mean you stop running. You're just not putting yourself through extreme training. You are left tired but a record is possible. Help might've not been necessary with the training he was doing that year.
+Jatniel Lopez; anything is possible. you are 100% correct.... probable??? not so much. "tired" (and there are different definitions, hence the source of the debate) and record don't often go together... except you're GETTING tired while setting a record.
+Sean Power well I mean she could've misinterpreted it. Anyone would be tired. I'm exhausted from cross country and it has barely began. It's a month difference though
Nike Oregon Project does not exist any more Alberto Salazar was banned from running for 2 years, Mo Farah was never caught up yet for using EPO's
Can anyone answer the following questions for an assignment please
1- The major reasons that lead athletes to doping usage (Students will note
down the facts under rational reasons derived from the documentary).
2- Most significant results of steroids usage in athletes' performance and,
on the contrary, their side effects.
3- Name 3 great athletes of all times that have been caught using doping.
4- Who is Alberto Salazar? What are the suspicions about this former
athlete and his ethics as a coach?
S- Research: which is the main international organization in the fight
against doping?
6- After watching the documentary, what is your personal opinion about
doping? How would you raise awareness about the use of illegal
substances to enhance the athletes' performance?
i stand for doping. i have very low haemoglobin count which affects my running career. if galen can get away with his asthma medications, then I can go use some epos
@@limwowo5902 as long as it's not a combat sport, I'm all for people juicing up. Let them all do it, even up the field against China and Russia
1) need to improve, compete at higher level.
2) dep on sport, but gains in both CV and skeletal muscle. Side effects, acne, heart and liver issues, non standard physique and anger issues.
3) Barry Bonds (baseball) Shane Moseley (boxer) Lance (cycling)
4) he was a runner, and has a weird knack of producing gold mentalists with shady internal practices.
5) Idiots say Olympic testing, but they only pop who they want.. VADA imo, the more respected testing body for me.
wow this is amazing - if you look back at a old Wired magazine article titled the Ultimate Running Machine it explains everything long ago....later came the NYT article In Pursuit of Doped Excellence by Michael Sokolove....some of us new about how shady the Oregon Project and Rupp were from day one
the quote at 32min 45secs..surely blows the whole of sport sky high
Secondly how is it possible that part of the documentary on Alan Wells who is directly accused is totally ignored whilst Mo is hounded by the media because him coach is?
+Erskine P Farah is a current runner thats the only reason I would think but the quote at 32min 43secs surely blows world sport to oblivion..."I am just a joe bloggs but i managed to drove a coach and horses through your tests"
.. Mo hounded???...
Farah is a cheat make no mistake the only thing is that he's escaped. There were loud whispers about Salazer long before farah joined. He Could have gone anywhere but he went there for a reason everyone knows. You don't improve by that amount at 28 years old.
@@cinzanobianco1.. absolutely.. dreadful guy
How much do drugs improve your performance? Cause I've seen races of guys who were doping and guys who weren't and there wasn't much of a difference in their times.
A lot. Especially when increasing vo2 max. But sprint times are different if you were look at those. 9.5 and 9.7 is a huge difference. 19.55 and 19.7 is also a gap.
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I never meant to cause you any sorrow
I never meant to cause you any pain
I only wanted one time to be an olympic champion
I only wanted to see you
Laughing in the purple face
Purple face, purple face
I only want to see you
Laughing in the purple face😂
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1. Prednisolone - for asthma , standard medication to reduce airway inflammation.
no performance enhancing effect. maybe help with post-exertional muscular inflammation but that's it. lots of side effects if taken long term.
2. Thyroxine - for hypothyroidism , also standard. no performance enhancing effect at all.
3. Testosterone - for hypogonadism - which is a super rare condition especially for a young guy. however my guess is that it's used more for "overtraining syndrome" whereby an elite athlete's regime of high intensity training with little rest results in a temporary drop in testosterone - which with some small quantity of replacement can improve his recovery times.
I'm not defending those guys, but just a medical perspective on why those drugs featured in this programme may have been used.
It's prednisone, not what you said.
Conor Forde they are the same thing
A yep i'm a heart transplant recipient and have had my thyroid removed and am very used to to pred and thyroxine. pred puts on weight and is a brilliant inflammation killer as i use it for gout as well as having had to use it for immunosuppression . i use thyroxine to get a normal level of the hormones missing due to the thyroidectomy. i have however heard that use of thyroxine in athletes actually leaves them exhausted. i heard this in an espn documentary on Muhammad ali before his fight with larry holmes
A But isn't that one of the main reasons to take a steroid, it helps you recover quicker so you train harder and get bigger, faster. So applying testosterone in this case could still be classed as a major reason to circumvent the rules couldn't it? Especially if you say it's rare in young people. Lastly could the first 2 just be used to mask the use of performance enhancers, that could be another reason...
Mister Sunshine Thanks for your comment. My point is that it's quite hard to pinpoint drug abuse in this case as many of those medications are in in fact common drugs used in daily medical practice for real medical issues. This is in wide contrast to things like "Erythropoietin" aka EPO which are so rarely used in clinical practice (usually kidney failure patients) and would truly be a red flag.
What this makes me think about is - how many athletes are there that are supposedly clean but actually using the same technique - little enough to not get caught?
Kipchoge
Currently reading 'the Rodchenkov affair' and guessing every country has or had a secret doping policy not just communist countries
So what if athletes have a medical condition that requires them to use anabolic steroids? How does anyone know the normal levels of testosterone for an individual?
You'd get an exemption on that basis pal.
There’s a ratio that they allow for testosterone.
One of the medalists is mentioned in the documentary
"a story that forced me to push myself to the limit" you really didn't have to. Like the science is well known.
*Cough* Paula Radcliffe *Cough*
+Macho Bravado Please tell me why u think that
+Matt Barnes um... Because she got popped
+Matt Barnes Her marathon world record is one of the least believable running records. She is minutes faster than any Kenyan or Russian doper/alleged doper. You can add Mo Farah as well.
Mo Farah doesn't have ridiculous records to his name. So his are believable.
***** No, but he went from an ok runner with no medals, to a runner that routinely beats (supposed) Kenyan cheats and Ethiopians, especially at big events. Alberto Salazar worked with Victor Conte. The main man behind BALCO, the Bay Area drug enablers. The same BALCO that helped dope, among others, Jose Canseco, Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, Marion Jones, etc. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.
2019 suggest
Damn Allen Wells still looks great.
McMaster screwed himself
Will Mo be stripped of his Knighthood and medals?
Allen Wells beating Ben Johnson!!!!! that's proof enough people.
Interesting section is roughly 22:16 -33:00 or so...
the moral theme of the documentary makes me sick. it is illegal to dope and to take drugs.
Now I wonder if Kara was on drugs when she got her best results W Alberto ( maybe she didn't know). Mo 100% is a doper
Would love to be salazar group so he can coach me for better runner
i won't buy the car and the other devices which were featured... but - this work is admiring. there were uncleared points. thanks!
the top athlete was defeated yesterday in London 5000m
How much must Armstrong have been taking to get tested positiv ...
He never tested positive.
Actually he did, but by people in his own pocket. When he popped, they warned him, and he would quit races, avoid investigators, or take masking agents.
tellurye Wrong. He only ever failed one test in a way when he faked a doctors cert for a steroid by having it pre dated.
Matty Bt First you said "he never tested positive" now you are saying "Wrong he failed..." Which is it?
We are on the same side, dude. My response was to gold2erik who asked why he tested positive.
You and I said the same thing, (well, your comment Aug 17, 2016 " He never tested positive."
He never tested positive "officially" for the very reasons I mentioned which is documented in the IOC report and disposition transcripts -
But he would have his own folks test him and he would schedule injections so they were out of his system (like Ben Johnson did), or he would avoid, hide, take masking agents, etc.
I haven't verified it of course, only what the IOC docs and dispositions said.
tellurye We'll you have just about explained it yourself.
He never officially tested positive.
he was alerted to a test that was going to be positive and organised a bs story and a doctors script that had the date written to explain the occurrence. The test was not positive once the doctors script explained it.
Nowadays it is called Therapeutic Use Exemption.
It's amazing how many athletes have these.
Lance took small doses of testosterone that did not flag a positive, growth hormone - that has no test, EPO when it wasn't tested for, EPO micro dosing when it was tested for, blood transfusions, saline solutions to dilute the blood, cortisol and stimulants.
I am not aware of him quitting races from being pre warned or taking masking agents.
It may seem like we are quibbling but a lot of people out there think that drug testing is reliable.
I am trying to inform them on how easily athletes can pass tests while dirty, without all the other more advanced ways - the ones that you have mentioned - like being pre warned beforehand and taking masking agents.
Being pre warned requires a level of support from above that most athletes would not have, although you are right in that it does happen regularly.
shocking - that people would literally risk their lives and health just to have a win that was fake.
yea there's just millions of dollars on the line. Why would a steel worker work in dangerous area for 35 dollars an hour.
money is a powerful motivator, I guess fame would be too. the steelworker isn't lying though, but people who cheat and those who enable them are liars.
it's all about money fame/legacy is just your pension fund.
ask Flo Jo that question, when she died her autopsy showed that her heart was larger than a barn animal. HGH and Testosterone (high doses) were used. Even the Italian Pietro Minnea admitted using HGH which at the time was not synthetic and caused him to die of cancer.
all American and European athletes are cheaters...disgusting.
This is a good documentary, but the presenters accent gets right on my nerves...and I'm Scottish! He's trying too hard to homogenise his voice for the English market.
Salazar method of training really make me alwayes in dout sutuation as he just make his athelete trainn only 2 hours daily.
he suffocates his members by taking away oxygen lol
Well, I guess it's a good thing he is not doing a documentary on heroin, he decided to TAKE THE DRUGS. Weird. Now we know what he's on when he enters into a competition. Sick.
Floyd Mayweather. TUE king
Nothing but muesli and water, boom! New 5k PR! I'm back
the only athletic who's very clean from anything associated with drugs and alcohol is Sir Mo Farah.
If the allegations are on Salazar then that would be incorrect.
kara gouchers super fine.
То чувство когда не знаешь английский, но посмотреть хочется(
Dude's accent's too heavy for mainstream.
Totally disagree!
Pardon?
Is there something wrong with his accent?
He's from Scotland
Cédric Hernalsteens Haha. Good one.
That running form is unbearable to watch, especially the aimlessly flailing arms.
reason only in dopping 2 persent get caught because the coaches cover it up
So what was Forest Gump taking???
ecstasy
Don't Please 0.
Was Salazar juicing when he won the NYC Marathon?
Inaccuracies through out...!!! Grain of salt highly recommended.
+James Smith Salazar worked with Victor Conte .......heard of him?
+James Smith Please specify exactly.
he was one of Victors athletes....Victor doped him and showed him the ropes....Alberto was on the hot sauce for years
Salazar and his camp are a disgrace to the world of athletics..all his athletes are dirty, rupp, centrowitz, AJ Wilson...what a shame.
cat loran centrowitz? Come on now. He’s not even the US record holder over any distance, and his performance last season proved he’s not really a special athlete, just ran a brilliant tactical race in 2016.
shocking.
"The only way to understand it is to become a doper myself". Spoken like a true addict.
A bit more info about this here.. www.sweatelite.co/alberto-salazar/
Raymond knows i am Pi. IT knew Poorier.
Yeah sure Wells put on 3 stones and improved his speed magnificently inside of no time. smh Only someone wanting to be gullible would pretend to believe.
Salazar a win at all costs kind of person? And I suppose the entirety of world athletics arent the same they all clean and running sub 27mim 10k
Have a read: www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/49853029
word up buddie.
Its how nike can take our money via established the trdemark at the winners
I used a lot of PDDs (Performance Defeating Drugs) in high school..... ;)
pizza was the worst.... drop my 100 m speed by 20 seconds.... I was devastated when my PE teacher told me my mouth and breath tested positive for pizza
Ese Omoru I hoped you learned your lesson 😒
the host sounds like shrek
grass
Say what you want about Alberto Salizar, but he wins with vitamins, and hard work. If he put dope in their water, they would be too high to run at high speeds. Look up the times of some of these athletes, then calculate the time of a pot brownie to leave the system and you'll see why these athletes left skid marks on the best tracks in the world!!!
OMG he's implicating Allan wells , where's the proof?
Wells wouldn't of won in 1980 if the USA didn't boycott, although he beat some East Germans and them fuckers were doped outta their minds. But my opinion No he wasn't doped
I love to eat chicken
Doping.. innit
This was fun- but hard to believe how naive and uneducated the host is about sports and ped’s. This seems more like 25 years old, not 8
They need to hire David Attenborough or Neil Degrasse Tyson, because this dude cannot fucking win my attention on this one. Jeeeeeeeez. I couldn't even survive 1 whole minute. Welp.. Back to carbing the fuck up!
Makes me want to use them
Another stupid video falsely promoting the efficacy of drug use in athletics.