Absolutely, it's a major event that affected so many lives; I wish I had learned about it earlier, certainly wasn't how I remember being taught about missions in school
Thanks man! I think it would be fun to do something like a video on vegetation change in Orange County and just how foreign and mismatched a lot of the landscape is, could definitely be a good mix of nature and history. My wife and I just got back to the Bay, but we'll probably be back in Orange County this summer, if you'll be around let me know!
This was an uprising under the inept and stupid, Masonic controlled Mexican government! Under New Spain, it was illegal to genocide any catholic person, all Catholics were subjects of the king, no matter what race!! Spain allow racial inter marriage since 1513! It was legal for a Spanish man to marry a Native American woman or African one, even Filipinas!! Yes, mistakes were made, but Spain never had a policy of systemic genocide! I am also Spanish and Native American, 56% native and 44% Spanish, and a catholic and I’d love to reunify with Spain, with a strong Catholic Church! Under Spain, the 300,000 natives that the US and Anglo California killed between 1846 and 1920, would have never happened!! Viva Espana y el Rey!! Viva Cristo Rey!! 🇪🇸 🇪🇸 ⛪️
Thank you for sharing this important chapter of History. I am inspired to learn more, although it is painful to hear of the dire treatment of the Chumash people.
Very interesting. I would just note one thing. When in November of 1818, the French revolutionary corsair, sailing with the mandate of of what would become Argentina, to attack the Spanish wherever he found them, 'Bouchard' (he's the guy you have arriving in Monterey in your image of his ship--Bouchard took control of Spanish Monterey for five days, and then Bouchard sailed South to Santa Barbara and went ashore at Ortega Ranch and burned out the Spanish occupants. Now what's interesting for your tale, is that the Spanish under leadership of Don Jose de la Guerra enlisted for the fight and went out to do battle with Bouchard the French revolutionary (who had once sailed with Napoleon). You might note the French song to 'rise up and throw off your chains'. But De La Guerra succeeding in enlisting the aid of the Chumash who rode willingly with the Spanish to defend Santa Barbara. So let's note a possible generalization. The Chumash rode to support the Spanish, but after the revolution of Mexico against the Spanish, they decided to fight the Mexicans. For me, it's this fact that is interesting!
That's an interesting point - it certainly is a complex time and story, it seems that things must have become particularly bad in the years following independence as your observation suggests. Thanks for the additional perspective, I appreciate it!!
It was the Mexican leaders not the Spanish who demanded acculturation and started making everything miserable, but they also ruined the economy when they took over (how long until they had that fixed, get your fingers and toes and a few dozen boxes of tooth picks ready to count that one) and in their angst they appear to have taken it out on the unsuspecting Indians. However, compare how the Alta California Indians were treated compared to Baja and the rest of Mexico and it's not even close. They were never slaughtered and got along great with the priests, remembering not a single priest was harmed during the uprisings and the priests were quick to defend the Indians so they could come home.
The only thing you left out was the drought also played a role in the worsening food cultivation process and expanded shortages on top of the other features you mentioned. I am not sure why they don't bring it up more either, but reasons could include how little it actually changed anything at all. It was a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing. Another reason might be the missions are taught to 10 year olds, and how exciting is it really to have three missions under attack - kind of? Santa Barbara was no fight at all, and as you pointed out, the battle at La Purisima was around 2 hours, which is actually pretty long, since most (not including WW1) only last around 15 minutes. But then to teach the 10 years olds, oh yeah then they executed the rebel leaders, what's for lunch? There is also the oddity that the whole thing was a Mexican affair and nothing at all to do with the US. And again, when dealing with 10 year olds who barely know their address, getting them to comprehend world politics of Spain, Mexico, Chumash, Alta and Baja California, and nothing at all US, is not something most adults in the US can't handle (have you seen the man on the street interviews on the 4th of July where people can't tell you who the Colonists rebelled against to gain independence? Their answers are horrifically wrong.). If you compare it to the Boston Tea Party, that was the beginning of wide spread rebellion instead of just the Sons of Liberty, or to the Storming of the Bastille, those events lead to something far bigger and permanent (whatever permanent means when talking about social order), where this thing happened and then two months later you wouldn't even know anything happened if you arrived right then from a four month trip to San Diego.
I remember when I was in elementary school we had to do a reenactment at at La Prisma. I remember refusing to participate because what the Catholic Church did to those poor Indians. This was in the 70s. I remember saying I didn’t want to do it and I told my teacher why and I was told I wasn’t allowed to talk about stuff like that. I remember it being such a sad place.
That’s not the real site of La Purisima. That’s a recreation. The ruins of the old mission are at 541 South F Street and they are a California State Historical Landmark.
The original mission is pretty great (I did another video on it if you're interested ua-cam.com/video/Fklv2fJUsVg/v-deo.html) but the state park site is where the mission was relocated after an earthquake destroyed the original mission in 1812, leaving the ruins on F street. Although a lot of the mission at the state park is a reconstruction, there's a fair amount of stuff that's intact from the 1800s, such as the ruins of the neophyte quarters which you can see around the 3:00 mark in this video
The Chumash didn’t leave the areas of the missions for the simple facts that the missions were build right on top of the old Chumash village sites, in their traditional territory! Why would they want their leave their homelands!? The Padres specifically mentions that the missions should be built were the indigenous Chumash Congregated for easy access to them! That is why we still live in our ancestral homelands!! Even though our lands were stolen and squatted on we refuse to leave until our lands are returned back to us!!
The Indians did not want to have anything to do with the Spanish or Mexican independence! The Native Chumash wanted to leave the missions and go back to their their old ways of life!
Native American birthrates went down due to the mass epidemics that ripped thru the indigenous population imprisoned inside the missions! They kept the woman and girls separate from them by locking them up in dirty dormitories with bars on the windows and lock doors! The women died in mass due to the cramped airless conditions! Even though the indigenous demographic went down and down the padres could care less as long as their souls were saved which is disgraceful and disgusting!! These place were prisons due to the forced lock up and not being able to come and go at will!!
Except one problem. La Purisima didn't exist at that site! That is a rebuilt museum, built approx 1930's, a long way from the original La Purisima mission that was destroyed in an earth quake miles away!
But it did! After the 1812 earthquake the mission was rebuilt at the site of the state park/museum where I shot the video. You can still see the remains of archaeological features around the 3:00 mark.
Woah. Lots of things are not accurate in this. Unfortunately yet another presentation that is glamorized. This revolt was not planned at all. 1 native chumash lied to the people and the priests which started the outbreak. This comes directly from Harrington informants. 3 chumash were targeted for revolt and charged to explosion to Monterey. Chumash did flea to Bakersfield and resided on an island when soldiers from Monterey and Sb came to forcefully take them back, the chumash faught them off and the soldiers returned to the coast loosers. A second dispatch went back and priest took to negotiating with the chumash after a yearly celebration tool place as tradition. Afterwards as part of the offer the priest made was full pardons for the deaths if they returned. The chumash returned to the missions because they wanted to be home. Does that sound like slavery? No, the chumash had adapted to mission life and wanted to return to it. So much more is off target and glamorized to the uninformed. To understand the whole of the story you have to read Harrington's papers, the chumash ethnographic information, the gov official documents, the mission documents and also the soldiers families stories.
The original mission is pretty great (I did another video on it if you're interested ua-cam.com/video/Fklv2fJUsVg/v-deo.html) but the state park site is where the mission was relocated after an earthquake destroyed the original mission in 1812, leaving the ruins on F street. Although a lot of the mission at the state park is a reconstruction, there's a fair amount of stuff that's intact from the 1800s, such as the ruins of the neophyte quarters which you can see around the 3:00 mark in this video. The events of the Chumash Revolt happened after the original mission was abandoned and they occurred where the state park is today
YEP! Just becareful. Some of the Docents are a little racist. Ask me how I know? I am 7th generation Asian American and a former US Marine Raider. To have a couple of docent carpenters eyeball me with the look you only get from UNFRIENDLIES when you are ON Mission Only in a Zone of Combat? Priceless! 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣
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Thank you. My daughter and I didn't know about this uprising. We have Chumash and Spanish soldier ancestors who were involved in this historic event.
Absolutely, it's a major event that affected so many lives; I wish I had learned about it earlier, certainly wasn't how I remember being taught about missions in school
@@PoopyArchaeology Would you ever be into collaborating with a naturalist? I really dig your stuff!
Thanks man! I think it would be fun to do something like a video on vegetation change in Orange County and just how foreign and mismatched a lot of the landscape is, could definitely be a good mix of nature and history. My wife and I just got back to the Bay, but we'll probably be back in Orange County this summer, if you'll be around let me know!
@@PoopyArchaeology Cool! I didn't realize you lived in San Francisco. Yes, let me know when you're back down in SoCal.
This was an uprising under the inept and stupid, Masonic controlled Mexican government! Under New Spain, it was illegal to genocide any catholic person, all Catholics were subjects of the king, no matter what race!! Spain allow racial inter marriage since 1513! It was legal for a Spanish man to marry a Native American woman or African one, even Filipinas!! Yes, mistakes were made, but Spain never had a policy of systemic genocide! I am also Spanish and Native American, 56% native and 44% Spanish, and a catholic and I’d love to reunify with Spain, with a strong Catholic Church! Under Spain, the 300,000 natives that the US and Anglo California killed between 1846 and 1920, would have never happened!! Viva Espana y el Rey!! Viva Cristo Rey!! 🇪🇸 🇪🇸 ⛪️
My family lineage is of the Chumas people/ before the United States Government was ever thought of...
Fascinating video giving balance on the real history of California Missions- much more complex that I learned in 4th grade
Thanks for the history lesson; It’s very well done.
Thank you!
Thanks man very much for this video, I love California history, it would be great to have someone to talk about it with
Thank you for sharing this important chapter of History. I am inspired to learn more, although it is painful to hear of the dire treatment of the Chumash people.
You're right, it's hard to hear but important to discuss
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What was dire that everyone else was not also dealing with?
Very interesting. I would just note one thing. When in November of 1818, the French revolutionary corsair, sailing with the mandate of of what would become Argentina, to attack the Spanish wherever he found them, 'Bouchard' (he's the guy you have arriving in Monterey in your image of his ship--Bouchard took control of Spanish Monterey for five days, and then Bouchard sailed South to Santa Barbara and went ashore at Ortega Ranch and burned out the Spanish occupants. Now what's interesting for your tale, is that the Spanish under leadership of Don Jose de la Guerra enlisted for the fight and went out to do battle with Bouchard the French revolutionary (who had once sailed with Napoleon). You might note the French song to 'rise up and throw off your chains'. But De La Guerra succeeding in enlisting the aid of the Chumash who rode willingly with the Spanish to defend Santa Barbara. So let's note a possible generalization. The Chumash rode to support the Spanish, but after the revolution of Mexico against the Spanish, they decided to fight the Mexicans. For me, it's this fact that is interesting!
That's an interesting point - it certainly is a complex time and story, it seems that things must have become particularly bad in the years following independence as your observation suggests. Thanks for the additional perspective, I appreciate it!!
It was the Mexican leaders not the Spanish who demanded acculturation and started making everything miserable, but they also ruined the economy when they took over (how long until they had that fixed, get your fingers and toes and a few dozen boxes of tooth picks ready to count that one) and in their angst they appear to have taken it out on the unsuspecting Indians. However, compare how the Alta California Indians were treated compared to Baja and the rest of Mexico and it's not even close. They were never slaughtered and got along great with the priests, remembering not a single priest was harmed during the uprisings and the priests were quick to defend the Indians so they could come home.
The only thing you left out was the drought also played a role in the worsening food cultivation process and expanded shortages on top of the other features you mentioned.
I am not sure why they don't bring it up more either, but reasons could include how little it actually changed anything at all. It was a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing. Another reason might be the missions are taught to 10 year olds, and how exciting is it really to have three missions under attack - kind of? Santa Barbara was no fight at all, and as you pointed out, the battle at La Purisima was around 2 hours, which is actually pretty long, since most (not including WW1) only last around 15 minutes. But then to teach the 10 years olds, oh yeah then they executed the rebel leaders, what's for lunch?
There is also the oddity that the whole thing was a Mexican affair and nothing at all to do with the US. And again, when dealing with 10 year olds who barely know their address, getting them to comprehend world politics of Spain, Mexico, Chumash, Alta and Baja California, and nothing at all US, is not something most adults in the US can't handle (have you seen the man on the street interviews on the 4th of July where people can't tell you who the Colonists rebelled against to gain independence? Their answers are horrifically wrong.).
If you compare it to the Boston Tea Party, that was the beginning of wide spread rebellion instead of just the Sons of Liberty, or to the Storming of the Bastille, those events lead to something far bigger and permanent (whatever permanent means when talking about social order), where this thing happened and then two months later you wouldn't even know anything happened if you arrived right then from a four month trip to San Diego.
I remember when I was in elementary school we had to do a reenactment at at La Prisma. I remember refusing to participate because what the Catholic Church did to those poor Indians. This was in the 70s. I remember saying I didn’t want to do it and I told my teacher why and I was told I wasn’t allowed to talk about stuff like that. I remember it being such a sad place.
Your videos are great.
Thanks man!
That’s not the real site of La Purisima. That’s a recreation. The
ruins of the old mission are at 541 South F Street and they are a California State Historical Landmark.
The original mission is pretty great (I did another video on it if you're interested ua-cam.com/video/Fklv2fJUsVg/v-deo.html) but the state park site is where the mission was relocated after an earthquake destroyed the original mission in 1812, leaving the ruins on F street. Although a lot of the mission at the state park is a reconstruction, there's a fair amount of stuff that's intact from the 1800s, such as the ruins of the neophyte quarters which you can see around the 3:00 mark in this video
@@PoopyArchaeology Thanks for getting back to me and giving me the 411. I worked for the County before I retired and would go by the old ruins often.
Of course, and yeah they are pretty cool, one of Lompoc's hidden gems
I took my daughter here to see the missions for her 4th grade studies.
These videos are rad
Which explains why when Ghost adventures was here doing a spiritual investigation they captured an Spaniard soldier standing out in the field.
The Chumash didn’t leave the areas of the missions for the simple facts that the missions were build right on top of the old Chumash village sites, in their traditional territory! Why would they want their leave their homelands!? The Padres specifically mentions that the missions should be built were the indigenous Chumash Congregated for easy access to them! That is why we still live in our ancestral homelands!! Even though our lands were stolen and squatted on we refuse to leave until our lands are returned back to us!!
The Indians did not want to have anything to do with the Spanish or Mexican independence! The Native Chumash wanted to leave the missions and go back to their their old ways of life!
Native American birthrates went down due to the mass epidemics that ripped thru the indigenous population imprisoned inside the missions! They kept the woman and girls separate from them by locking them up in dirty dormitories with bars on the windows and lock doors! The women died in mass due to the cramped airless conditions! Even though the indigenous demographic went down and down the padres could care less as long as their souls were saved which is disgraceful and disgusting!! These place were prisons due to the forced lock up and not being able to come and go at will!!
Except one problem. La Purisima didn't exist at that site! That is a rebuilt museum, built approx 1930's, a long way from the original La Purisima mission that was destroyed in an earth quake miles away!
But it did! After the 1812 earthquake the mission was rebuilt at the site of the state park/museum where I shot the video. You can still see the remains of archaeological features around the 3:00 mark.
You were revolt too if you’re forced to convert to Catholicism.
Woah. Lots of things are not accurate in this. Unfortunately yet another presentation that is glamorized.
This revolt was not planned at all. 1 native chumash lied to the people and the priests which started the outbreak. This comes directly from Harrington informants. 3 chumash were targeted for revolt and charged to explosion to Monterey.
Chumash did flea to Bakersfield and resided on an island when soldiers from Monterey and Sb came to forcefully take them back, the chumash faught them off and the soldiers returned to the coast loosers. A second dispatch went back and priest took to negotiating with the chumash after a yearly celebration tool place as tradition. Afterwards as part of the offer the priest made was full pardons for the deaths if they returned. The chumash returned to the missions because they wanted to be home. Does that sound like slavery? No, the chumash had adapted to mission life and wanted to return to it.
So much more is off target and glamorized to the uninformed. To understand the whole of the story you have to read Harrington's papers, the chumash ethnographic information, the gov official documents, the mission documents and also the soldiers families stories.
Bro that’s not even the site of the original mission. Nice try though.
The original mission is pretty great (I did another video on it if you're interested ua-cam.com/video/Fklv2fJUsVg/v-deo.html) but the state park site is where the mission was relocated after an earthquake destroyed the original mission in 1812, leaving the ruins on F street. Although a lot of the mission at the state park is a reconstruction, there's a fair amount of stuff that's intact from the 1800s, such as the ruins of the neophyte quarters which you can see around the 3:00 mark in this video. The events of the Chumash Revolt happened after the original mission was abandoned and they occurred where the state park is today
YEP! Just becareful. Some of the Docents are a little racist. Ask me how I know? I am 7th generation Asian American and a former US Marine Raider. To have a couple of docent carpenters eyeball me with the look you only get from UNFRIENDLIES when you are ON Mission Only in a Zone of Combat? Priceless! 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣
So you can read minds now?
I think it's all you ......
@@kwd3109 Don't have to read your mind. What you do not wish upon yourself, extend not to others.
@@cliffdobbins8998 The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. A multitude of words is no proof of a prudent mind.
NOT ONE MINORITY working at this Mission. I asked. NOT ONE. That my Unibrowed Friends says it all. 😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣😱😂🤣👲☯☯🈷
You were revolt too if you’re forced to convert to Catholicism.