The Haltere, the first Kettlebell? Ancient Spartan Dumbbell?
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2023
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Ancient Greek warriors and athletes were renowned for their amazing feats of strength, skill and endurance. Once of the primary training tools of choice was the Haltere, but little is known about how it was used. This video explores the ancient Spartan strength training tool and it's possible uses.
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Fun fact, "haltère" is how we say "dumbbell" in French
We use halter for barbell in Turkish I heard that we have around 4000 French words
@@tatarcavalry2342we too in Romania, we use "Halteră for barbell👍🏼
Really? Cool
Many of the modern words came from ancient languages.
politics, philosophy, mathematics, biology and so
And „Hantel“ in German
i experiment these movements with dumbells before, all i can say is that it does feel like a all-around warrior strength and endurance workout, so basically ancient functional specific training for warriors or even aristocrats who want to maintain the waistline.
Now there's a business idea bringing back the Haltere to modern fitness era this way people have another option for weights besides dumbbells and kettlebells
I'd love to get some if they were ever made. Doesn't seem like anyone makes them though. Closest I can find are stone locks
Beautiful! I learned something new today...thank you so much!
Very nice video! Actually (αλτήρες) halteres were supposed to be thrown during the jump, after the swinging motion that gave the momentum. As you said, we dont know exactly how they were used but the name comes from jumping - jumper άλτης- άλμα. We still use the name in greek for dumbbells
Thanks for the info! I'm actually going to try and throw them after the jump now. I wonder if it gave them more distance
@@moversodyssey Use the momentum, but lose that extra weight! (I guess)
Acording to Wiki (and the other comments here), Haltere are the Spartan version of Dumbells, implying that we can just use dumbells instead of halteres. If one looks at the museum pieces, though, it quickly becomes obvious that that is not the case. Dumbells are symetricly ballanced around the hand that holds them, halteres have a definite bias. The weight is in mainly in front of the hand with the majority being above or bellow the hand, depending on what way round you hold it.
The museum pieces show, the grip is about a quarter of the total length and located in the back of the semi-dome starting at the half point. This put the raw balance point of the haltere just about half a hand-width above/bellow (and in front of) the center of your fist, whereas a dumbell would have its ballance point at the precise center of your fist. This changes the way you would wield it, intensifying the tension on the wrist.
As for using the haltere to simulate weapon&shield training, hold the haltere with the bulk above the fist for swordhand and the bulk of weight bellow the fist for shieldhand.
Very well said, I couldn't agree more. I wish someone was producing them commercially. I'd love to use one that's better shaped than the makeshift one's I created. The one's I made felt like a cross between weapons training and kettlebell training, with some similarities to dumbbells but only if I held them steady and pressed them or lifted them slow and steady. Which really didn't feel right with these, like I was fighting the shape of them to make it happen. Thanks for sharing your insights man!
In Portuguese, haltere is the translation for dumbell.
There is a chinese training tool that looks very much like the haltere. It's called a stone lock. It has been used for many years as strength training in different styles of Kung Fu.
I think I have seen this in a video before but never knew what it was called. Thank you for sharing, I'm going to look it up.
Interesting 🤔😎
Dude we should make a full workout based on those 3 movements
I'll do one with those 3 and the broad jump at the end. Would hit the whole posterior chain, biceps, front delts and quads. Probably increase jumping ability pretty good too.
@@moversodyssey anything that increases jumping abilities probably going to increase punching power too and might even make you run faster
@@ACarpenter89 Only one way to find out. I'm going to measure my jump, train for a few weeks and see what happens.
I think the sorinex center mass bell is the closest moser thing to these.
Finding some old AMF Heavyhands dumbbells and then fashioning a weighted and rigid strap to replace foam covered plastic straps might be an easy homebrew solution.
This is very interesting. They most likely performed high reps for full-body strength-endurance to stay combat ready.
Strength-endurance with kettlebells was studied heavily by the Soviets back in the day, and "kettlebell sport" is still used to this day in Russia for firemen, EMTs, military, general fitness, etc.
You look around at other cultures and they seem to have similar traditions passed down for strength-endurance, perhaps also "combat readiness." For example, Persian meel swings, or Indian gada swings for high reps (and also baithak squats and dand pushups). I believe the haltere was also used in China too?
I didn't really think about this but I guess we do similar things today in our military -- lots and lots of pushups, pullups, rucksacking, etc., while carrying a rifle.
I wouldn't be surprised if instead of a simple deadlift with the haltere, the Greeks instead squatted a lot of reps while swinging their arms using ballistic momentum similar to how the Indian mud wrestlers do their Hindu baithak squats. I’m just guessing though. I should look into it.
Yea when I used them it felt ridiculous to dead lift with them, but as soon as I would swing them like kettlebells they felt like right. In general I think strength -endurance and power-endurance is extremely underestimated by the mainstream in favor of hypertrophy and max strength training. strength-endurance has so much more carry over into combat and real world applications. A lot of combat focused cultures around the world had this figured out though.
Spartans being nearly extinct after Peloponnesian wars is just sad and even worse is late Byzantine era Greeks don't have Greek elite soldiers anymore, Seljuk Turks fought against Varangians as Byzantine elites.
kettlebell swing, and high kettlebell jumps would mimic this.
Hello where do i buy one or two, those amazon ones dont quite cut it
I wish I could tell you, I haven't been able to find any. I just had to make my own which was a pain. I'm hoping someone tries to produce them on a commercial level at some point. Sorry man
Just buy a kettlebell. and do kettlebell swings, and kettlebell high jumps into squats. with a 20lb kettlebell
@@georgepierre3594 its true. I have done that. Its just more for the aesthetic and novelty that i would like one with this shape. Like a bit of a collector's item for me personally
Fun fact. In french "Haltere" stand for "Dumbbell". So i was a bit confused when i saw the title
CENTER MASS BELLS OR THOMPSON FATBELLS
Just looked these up, they look cool as hell. I'm definitely going to buy one and try it out. Thank you for the suggestion!
@@moversodyssey only differences are CMB are DUCTILE IRON ( tougher than cast iron) the handle is not contoured and it has equal opening circle at both ends. FATBELLS are cast iron have a closed bottom and a perfect contoured fat handle. Glad I could give back , thanks for the great content!
@@QKVCS Hard to know what to try first, but I'm thinking I might get a Fatbell and see how I like it. Thanks again for sharing, I can't believe I've never run across these before.
What sort of stuff would you do with the fat bells ?
@@IxDOYLERxI they have smallest footprint around the hand space wise, allowing most range of motion.Anything dumbells and kettlebells can do. Also no sharp edges or cornersBrian Shaw has content clean and pressing 150 pairs
After watching this video I was inspired to make an attempt at recreating them. I have no experience in making things so this was fun. I made it out of stone using a hammer and chisel. It is a very rough recreation since I am not that skilled. If you have an Instagram I would love to send some pictures.
That's awesome, I'd love to see them! instagram.com/shapeshifters_den/