5 NEW Ways to Remove a Wheel Lock Without a Key
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- Опубліковано 8 бер 2020
- In a previous video I made called "3 Ways to Remove a Wheel Lock Without a Key", there were a lot of suggestions on how I could have removed the wheel lock easier or faster with less effort. Today we will try some of those suggestions and see how well they work on 4 different types of wheel lug nut locks.
The Original Video: • 3 Ways to Remove a Whe...
The 4 types of lug nut keys and locks used:
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I don't normally like and comment on videos but when a guy goes through that much trouble to provide a video, he deserves it. Great job. Thank you.
A GUY WHO WATCHES "VICE GRIP GARAGE".
I think everyone in that part of Utah seems to be a rather practiced welder.
Just an observation. Well done at any rate.
it is a shame there are so many lazy likers it doesn't cost them anything and helps the channel immensely as a you tuber its your one job huh no offense
I came out this morning and all my wheels have gone
Next video: How to refurbish your scratched wheel
Nasi Lemak when you stuck hunting in Canadian mountains, nobody cares about scratches on the vehicle!
@@MkBl-ll5zp Exactly if someone has a 4x4 it should have scratches on every surface or else just buy yourself a bigwheel and ride up and down the driveway.
yeah! the wheel cast is boogered at 11 mins!
hahahahahahaha
LOL
I did my pal's Volvo about 15 years ago. I put a short piece of pipe (about 2 inches long) and welded the inside of the pipe to the locking nut. By welding the inside it protected the rims and then I just used a pipe wrench on the pipe to undo the nuts. Worked like a charm.
i've worked in a wheel repair and rebuild shop for over 12 years and yes this welded pipe method is sometimes the only way- just remove the battery leads whenever welding anywhere on a vehicle. For extra caution always use a MIG wlder and not a stick arc welder..ie not DC welding
@@deepfryblue The good news is most of these vehicles are out in public where such methods are not practical for a thief.
I can remember removing one of these from a rim of a Hyundai that had blown a tyre on the Nullarbor Plain back in 2000. A couple were trying to remove the tyre but couldn't find the key for the wheel nut. I was a mechanical fitter at the time and was moving interstate and had all of my workshop equipment in the back of the truck. I was down a generator and I couldn't use any air tools, so I had to resort to a narrow chisel and a block hammer. I managed to split the nut and drive a square shanked screwdriver in far enough to be able to rotate it with the help of a spanner and a pipe over the end for leverage. It was 2am, pitch black and freezing and I had to work in the dust from the wash of a couple of road trains but I finally managed to rotate half of the nut off the stud and chiselled the rest around until it fell out. The couple were able to replace the tyre and were on their way about a half hour later. They saw me in Ceduna a few hours later and insisted on giving me $20. Half my luck.
vice grips and crescent wrenches have a little more torque if you flip them over and use in the direction of the offset angle.
Much more.
no shit . his daddy never taught him that
BleepinJeep: You're using the vice grip and the crescent wrench backwards. Glad you put this up so you can learn the proper way to use those tools. Also applies to channel locks, monkey wrenches, pipe wrenches, and all tools of that sort. Not only do you get less torque backwards, but you will spring or deform or otherwise wreck the tool.
😂
Well, to no use in a regular rim however
My dude out here destroying his lugs studs and wheels to teach us something. 🙏
@Andrew Hall What's a morn?
Matt Gee-Symonds He mean he’s a moron lol..
How is he a “Morn”?
@Andrew HallSo you can spell it now! Don't you think it makes you look like a bit of a moron if you can't even spell moron...🤔
IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!
Back in the day I used to live in Buffalo close to the McGard factory. When I lost my key, I went over there and the receptionist took a look at it and I got the correct replacement. Later in life I had an opportunity to work with them with their special products division. The engineers take three days to design something, then take the next two weeks trying to break it. These guys like their job.
Great job, Matt. Appreciate your time and expense to show us how it’s done.
you used the vice grips backwards
And the adjustable wrench.
I was screaming the same thing and the wrench too.
Lmfao. Right !
You would be shocked at the number of mechanics that don't know how to use an adjustable wrench.
He used every wrench backwards.
OMG! The chicken and soup were hilarious!
the chickens are laughing at you!
Yes he saw the bird and he went , ... "Well let's give it a try"
kudos for a guy who has an open mind and listens to his audience/critics. I thought you gave all ideas a fair shot, and quickly noted what works and what does not work. good job!
Have used the welded nut version for years on broken bolts.
Always using a nut with ID equal to the OD of stud and weld on the inside of nut.
Definitely weld the inside. Fill it full!
And the screwdriver slot works if you use a hand held impact and hammer. Usually.
This is really the kind of stuff that needs to be on youtube. The kind of videos to help people that have to do things themselves and can't rely on others or paying others nor do most have the ability to pay others if watching this kind of video. Keep up the good work. The fact that you went over like 20 tips is even more amazing because normally when trying to rig something like this go work one method won't always work solid every time.
Unfortuntaely, it also helps the damn thieves...life's like that. There's always those who will use the good to do evil.
Thanks for the help. Can’t wait to steal my neighbors forces off his Cummins
Lmao i just posted something like this 😂😂😂
Beware of cctv 👍🏽👍🏽🤣
James Wight same thing I was coming to say
Hahha
@@savneetsinghrairai6823 a hat with UV lights on it will solve that.
Great video - thank you for sharing! I removed a set of the McGuard today from an Acura using a 13mm 12 point 1/2" socket. It pounded right over and I was able to twist them off.
Great video...I tried a few and found for what worked best on the MOPAR security nuts was a 1" impact(heavy duty) socket. The six side pushed the ring back and wedged really well against the nut. I got the nut to come off with a breaker bar.
This video saved me a lot grief. I needed to remove wheels from a car in a pick-your-part salvage yard and the locks were the outside spline type shown at 7:33. I could see that others had tried to remove the wheels but weren’t successful. Thankfully, I had just watched your video the day before. In my case it took a 5/8” 12-point socket. I had to really drive it on with a lot of force but it worked. It was difficult to remove the socket from the extracted nut as I had no access to a vise in the salvage yard but I finally got all of them off. Got a great set of wheels for a ridiculously low price.
When you weld the nut on. Plug weld it. Weld inside the middle of the nut where the threads are not on the outside of it, then you won't have welds where your socket needs to go.
Exactely. That is my prefered metode. And also inkludes a bit of big hammer force, and heat.
The heat will widen the Nut, if it's nut, not lugs. Makes it even easier. :)
And you will be less likely to smoke your wheel!
If I heard it correctly, the suggestion was to weld inside the nut.
this doods not the brightest spark in the mechanical world
I use GORILLA GLUE 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
And make sure you don't earth through the wheel bearings. Best to disconnect the battery too.
You used the Crescent wrench and the vice grips backwards. Actually the combination wrench as well. They are designed to rotate in the opposite direction. The locks with a rotating collar, you may be able to jam something in between the collar and nut to keep the collar from spinning. With a welder, maybe weld the collar to the nut, then use a tool that grabs the collar.
Very few ppl know how to properly use these tools, yet, it is imperative to get the most life and best results out of them.
Excellent video. Thanks for taking the time to film and edit it and of course for positing it for our benefit. Keep up the good work! -Migs
13:51 How many people caught what just happened?
I totally laughed at this one...
Chicken soup.
@@MarkHazen - Lol I know a lot of people will get it, I'd hope so, but I'm sure there's a lot that didn't.
I'm fucking crying
Oh..
Haha.
Me slow.
😡
@@xmo552 - It's not a problem! 👍
The vice grips were on backwards!
noticed that as well.
As was the spanner aka wrench!
Unbelievable!
How can they be on backwards ?
So let's teach them... U always want the head (or open end) of the wrench to follow the handle. They are designed this way for leverage. So make sure your handle is ahead of the wrench head whether you are turning to the right or the left. That's the best way I can explain it. Someone else may say it better, but I think most people can relate to my way
Thank you for an excellent how-to vid! Prob one of the best I've watched on YT. Entertaining throughout and perfectly produced!
I've always used vice grips. The key to getting them to work is to tighten the lug nuts on either side of the one you're trying to remove. If you tighten those other 2 down real tight it then the one you're trying to get off comes off real easy.
You can easily break the ring around the spinning ring. With a pointy chisel hit the front in between the lock but and ring and work it through. It will snap right off. Then you can cut it to a wrench size or with the extractor. Unless they are over torqued and rusted then welding a nut would be the better option.
I have been lusting over my neighbors Rockstars for months now.... thank you - its going down tonight
@@DJSHaKa LMAO!! I can imagine everytime neighbor drives by you just look and say "one day them shits will be mine" after this video now you are saying "Hold my joint"
Fun to watch, you consistently used wrenches backwards but good effort! You had the welder ground on the hub which is ok but you just don't know where the amps are flowing hope it didn't affect the alternator, computer, and all those expensive electrical parts in your vehicle.
Yes, I agree.
Or your wheel bearings. Squealing will tell you that wasn't a good ground location.
Ground clamp on one of the wheel studs and it should all be safe.
Very informative but more funny...5 stars just for busting me up 😂😂😂
Thank you brother. Ordered the large set to bust a set of McGards off. Your deliver and demeanor are great, you have a new fan.
Thanks for showing all the different ideas going, save us wrecking our own wheels.
I laughed out loud at your chicken noodle soup bit.
Yeee that wasnt expected
Yep,
The reverse humor threaded itself to my frontal lobe, and extracted a hearty laugh.
yep, cracked me up too.
I have used McGuard wheel locks on most of my cars. Looks like it was a fairly good choice. Good review, video. Thanks Matt.
Thanks for the video! This one helped me get my tire fixed. Not to mention it had me laughing when I was bummed I couldn't find my key or the paperwork for the locks. Spent an hour looking for both and got the McGard internal ones with threads on the outside for a cover off with a 12 point socket, EZPZ.
I don’t usually leave likes on videos but this guy did spend a lot of money to help us
In my experience when someone says something like “works every time” has never even tried it once.
you'd be right on that... every situation is different
That’s why I said 8 / 10 I have had that one make my day longer then needed
At least it worked everytime they tried it
60 per cent of the time, it works every time
yep, or he tried it once and it work "hey worked every time"
Been there in the past and really appreciate the time, effort and expense you put into this vid.
Used the 7/8ths socket on my daughter’s 3/4th locked lug nuts this afternoon. She bought the car about 1 year ago and had a slow leak in 1 tire recently. Shop would not touch it without key, which previous owner did not include. 4 new lug nuts $10. All set now thanks to your video. Thank you.
I saw couple videos so I knew how to remove them but stumbled on this one and glad I did. This one had me in tears when the Mopar one kept spinning with the socket 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Glad it came off after all that 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nice research & huge effort. Thanks. Some further thoughts.
1. The rotating outside can be defeated with superglue or a small spot weld, or wack dents into it with a chisel till it deforms & doesn't spin. Then it is vulnerable to the same techniques you covered.
2. If your flat screwdriver isn't big enough. Push a flat piece of steel into the groove & turn it with an adjustable spanner or big vise grips.
3. You've have got more turning force by twisting the screwdriver in the center. not offset as you did.
4. Using the chisel to wack several dents into the edge, then you have something for the vise grips or other tools to grasp. Don't try to chisel at an angle as you did. The lock nut steel wasn't strong enough to handle that.
5. If you happen to have Liquid Oxygen. (like no-one does outside of University, Medical or military facilities) Protect nearby parts of the wheel with wax. Pour a small amount of LOX on the wheel nut. Then hit it with a hammer. It will shatter. Be careful not to leave it too long or the screw thread attached to the car will shatter too.
Excellent video comparing the different techniques, very scientific and good engineering techniques, also good to know what works on Mopar, which is the type I have. In England, due to high humidity, the outer ring goes rusty, so even the correct wheel nut has to be hammered on!.In England they don't tend to nick your wheels , just the whole car, so they have the correct socket, which is kept in the car( I hide mine in an obscure place just to be awkward).
LOL! Loved the chicken/soup inset!!!
You did a lot of work on this video- GREAT JOB!
On the Mopars we usually use a chisel to remove the spinning part, a couple well aimed hits will split the ring, then can either use 12point or the AutoZone removal tool
Another good use of the Tonya Harding!
14:58 The wrench is on backwards. It is designed to have the long part side grab and the short "push". Side = one side of the two "forks/tongs"
I love your video. Thank you.
Positif feedback👍
So glad you did that video. I'm sure you helped a lot of folks for years to come. Thanks!
Thanks to TMR for sponsoring this. I don't own an off-roader, PHEV Outlander, though their gear is really beautifully presented. I would love to have a tour of their manufacturing plant.
Cheers to the hero for the sacrifice that you made, all in the name of science! Good Stuff, thank you. Raise your glass, I will subscribe to that!
Love the detail you go into AA+
These are some great ideas, and thank you for showing us all of those and what all worked versus what different! I feel a lot more prepared for the next time this happened to me.
And, for whatever it's worth, last time we tried to get tires changed and the wrench at the shop stripped the nut that was stuck, pounding a socket didn't work at ALL for us, nor did the "Emergency Lug Nut Remover" you showed at 9:10 that was appropriately sized for our nut. We wound up taking it to a local shop, who HAMMERED a socket onto it insanely, then went through two impact wrenches to get the right amount of torque, and it finally came off.
Knowing some of these ideas is good for the next time we run into that!
I want to thank you for your video. I went to ten different shops to get a lock off and nobody was able to do the job. So when using your video I used a socket and within thirty minutes I was able to remove the lock while also saving me $100 for a job no one wanted to do for me. Thank you.
11:02 "hope you guys like my video cause it is costing me a lot of money" lol. 🤣🤣🤣
it's ok, this video probably more than paid for it
I loved the chicken soup diversion, great job!
Well done. You covered all the things that could go wrong and all that would actually do the job.
Those lug removers would also be good for removing some stubborn bolts that might have a rounded off head. Awesome vid!!
when you're welding the nut on next time.. weld the MIDDLE of the nut. that way it doesnt splatter as much and you dont have weld keeping you from fully seating the nut in the socket.
You are correct but you could also put brake lube or lithium grease on the wheel and that protects it from high heat..
Or just fusion weld with tig and no filler.
And we know we need the middle filled and cooled as the full heat cycle can loosen the nut too.
my first thought was that Jb weld would probably be a better fit for this job. But yes, inside the nut, so there is no surface area lost for the socket.
Two things:
1. You had your vice grips clamped on the wrong way.
2. Use a larger nut and weld it on the inside so it won't spatter on your wheel.
Thanks for the extensive testing, the key removers are probably the way to go with the McGard / Mopar type. Just need to find the right one now!
Excellent! Thank you! This explains in part how thieves at the service center I took my car to were able to steal the front shocks when the car was left overnight. I subscribed just because of the truly great effort put into this video. Who would have thought???!!!
I had the Ocelating Rings ones on my 98 TJ, after loads of searching i found a guy who drives MAC trucks who use the same lug locks, he had an extra key and sent me it and was magically the right one, one out of a couple hundred styles and i got a replacement key for free luckiest day of my life considering I melted a stud out just to get one off prior
6:04.... and......if you turn the vicegrips over so they're turning the right way. Some people don't seem to understand that channelocks, vicegrips, even crescent wrenches, were designed to grip better turning in one direction than the other.
Where did this numnutz come from???
@@MrKaboom21 12k views somehow
I wish + & - review counts were shown on the feed
The spinning sleeve/collar is usally quite thin metal, I used a cheap wood chisel to cut it away, then hammed a socket on to remove the bolt, worked fine.
With my son's car, ( volkswagen golf) I took a picture of the locking nut and matched it to a key that I found on ebay.
The first one is the best and quickest advice.
FYI, Crescent and Vise-grip type tools are directional tools, like a pipe wrench.
If you don't want spatter damage, mask w/ cardboard, spray area w/ anti-spatter or spray cooking oil, or avoid using gasless mig (flux-core) altogether.
Here's a method you didn't try: Cut the slot per the video, then use a
You did a good job showing us something useful ....AND you messed up your rim. So for that, you get a like!
And for that you get funniest comment ever! HAHA
I have Mopar locking lug nuts with the outer ring. I hammered a 1 inch deep socket to lug and busted the outer ring. Then I hammered a lug removal socket that looks like a reversed pipe inside. Came off like a charm! To remove socket from lug, reinstall lug on wheel and slowly tighten till it releases. 5 mins each wheel and they are all off and no damage to sockets or wheels. Total cost including a electric impact wrench was $150. Way cheaper than a shop!
You're a fantastic doer willing to do the work to find out a way fits different individuals.
Every wheel I've worked on has the bolts recessed into a hole in the wheel. Even the socket method is only sometimes possible due to clearance between the bolt and the hole.
That's just what I thought. I guess you've got to own a Jeep for these to work...
That’s how the lug nuts and wheels are on my car.
My truck is a different story, 2 1/2” long lug nuts on steel wheels. Plenty of room for a socket.
13:00 Always face the jaws in the direction of the pull..... You can see the jaws bending in the wrong direction.
Dan Diaz also at 5:34
And again at 15:00
Thank you for this video. I think you did a great job!
22mm socket with McGard lock nut over 24mm socket. Duct tape holding the 2 sockets together. The sockets into bench vise. Pounded and pounded with big sledge hammer. Finally the lock nut came loose.
On to second wheel where I will only hammer socket in half way. Great informative and entertaining video. Thanks.
This was great! I needed that laughs!!
Thank you greatly!! I lost my wheel key after changing a flat tire. In a frenzy I drove away with the key still on the wheel. I have the Mopar wheel locks with the spinning ring on the outside. After watching a few videos I started to panic seeing that available removal tools really don't work with the spinning rings. Then you came along and saved the day. I used a Dremel tool with cut-off disk to remove the spinning ring. The rings cut easily and I used only one cutting disk per lug nut. Then with the angle grinder I made two flat sides to fit a 3/4" open end wrench. The other end of the wrench was 7/8" and would not fit into the piece of pipe I had. The grinder quickly removed the opposite end of the wrench, slipped the pipe over and presto. All four wheel took less than an hour and only one beer. I was a little (lot) nervous attacking the first wheel however the other three were a snap. I was lucky enough that my bolts stuck out from the wheel with enough room to grind and get the wrench on. Thanks so much for your help.
Great. Removing the rotating ring was the key to your success. Well done!
I love the hen, my grandma had a lot of them, God bless you.
You sir, deserves a like. You earned every bit of it sir. Thank you!
The guy was right about the Chisel it always works for me no problem.
But you have to put the chisel on the inside where the pattern holds it from slipping.
I use an air chisel.
11:02 "hope you guys like my video cause it is costing me a lot of money" .... hahahaha okay~ I click the like! hahahaha
Thank you for your sacrifice!
1.2 million views. It's MAKING him money.
Good video and I personally dislike wheel locks because I had a bad experience with one stripping out with the wheel lock key. I like the methods you demonstrated and it is appreciated! Thank You
All in one video , excellent !
Thank you so much
Happened to me, after working on it for hours, I stood back and thought about what I was doing. I took off 5 of my lugs and couldn't get that damn lock off. Put all 5 back on tighten as tight as I could and the lock lug came right off.
When using the cutting a slot in the middle of the lug nut method, use a drag link socket instead of a screwdriver and DONT put it off-center while turning it, like you did with the screwdriver. You GREATLY reduced your loosening torque by doing so!!
That got on my nerves so bad. It was working against itself.
Or stick a piece of flat bar or chisel in the groove and use an adjustable wrench to turn it. That screwdriver was way too small to work as it should.
Well that got a lot of my questions answered! Great vid.
Putting my car into vw tomorrow - they say they have various master keys.
So, there you go, another method. I’ll let you know how I got on.
Amazing. My mind is blowing apart.
The "MOPAR" (which was probably made by McGard) is much easier to deal with if you remove that spinning ring with a small cold chisel first.
Once you have that ring off, the reverse threaded sockets are the way to go.
Removing the lug from the reverse threaded socket can be done by grinding two flats on the lug to hold it in a vise and so you can remove the socket with an impact wrench or a breaker bar. If you are putting the lug back on for some reason, you can just put it back on the stud, which is much faster.
I keep an assortment of pawn shop 12 point sockets around for the rare case when a reverse threaded socket will not work. That is usually a problem with a tight lug well on the wheel.
Definitely keep some small 6 flute tuner lug keys around. Well over half of the tuner lugs come off with one of those.
Welding would be a last resort. There are too many places that welding current could go and screw things up.
I need to get the mopar spinning lug of a 2015 Dart GT. Lugs go deep, can't break the ring or anything without destroying the rim.
You can sometimes fit a 17mm socket over those black tuner lug nuts. They usually fit perfectly and nothing gets damaged. Doesn't always work tho.
This was instructive AF! thanks!!
Great video... Even though I don't have any of the gears or the advance equipment, it was a joy to watch the suggestions. The welding technique was hot!
Great video idea and execution Matt!
Legit never using locking nuts after I bought a used car with broken rusted ones on. . This helped me confirm my best option is extraction sockets
"honey need new wheels for the JL, I made a UA-cam video and teaching people about locking nuts I ruined the wheels" -N
Pounded them … penetrant … vice grips. Worked like a champ. Thanks for the video.
Thanks to Hans Grubber for this video…. 😂😂 Sorry, I couldn’t resist it, Matt…. the true is that a trouble with my McGuard locks led me to your video and channel. So helpful. Thanks and thumbs up!! 👍👍👍👍
When welding the nut on you want as large a nut as possible and weld inside. Fill the inside with weld the LET IT COOL as the heat cycle will loosen the nut. Remember, often the key isn't lost on NEW nuts, its lost from locks that have been in place for YEARS.
Try attaching a nut to the end or socket around the lug nut with epoxy like JB Weld.
Nope. That won't work at all.
Awesome! In case I ever get stranded and w/o my locking key
Thanks 👍👍👍
The last two old cars I've bought have had old wheel locks and the previous owner had lost the key in both cases. Thanks for the tips.
Dude all your doing is helping out the thief’s out there.
Or the dummies like me who bought a used car with feloniously cheap wheel locks on it. The key isn't any use when it shreds itself taking the lock off.
Most of the thieves already know how to do this sort of stuff before we know how
Most car thieves steal the whole car and rarely drive off on just the rotors. Just saying.
When you were using the vice grips you were turning the Jaws backwards. Pliers are only made to turn One Direction
Glad I wasn't the only one that caught that, it's similar to using a pipe wrench backward, dosen't really work... Not that in this application I thought it would work either way.
Yea, I found the Mopar was the best wheel lock as well. Thanks for the video will buy sets of Mopar wheel locks for all my cars. :)
Execllent. Thanks for testing all those methods. That we super helpful.
Nice that you sacrificed a wheel ,now I dont have to. Thanks for the tips
your tutorial has real good intentions but.... man I believe you need a tutorial on how to use the tools correctly, the vice and the present wrench both backwards, I can't believe it may be and only maybe if they were used correctly they would not open and fail the way they did... just saying...
I still liked it, practice those wrench using technics body!!! your videos will look a lot more professional
A spare key ordered and put in safe keeping is one idea.
If the creep finds your key, he can steal or keep you from upgrading your wheels and tires while he waits.
Having this knowledge is your own freedom restored.
Plan your escape before choosing wheels and locks.
Sometimes you improvise adapt and overcome.
That's the last word from Clint Eastwood.
Nice video.
Good patience and sense of humor.
No hens were harmed since the chicken noodle comes in a can.
i had locking wheel nuts with the slip rings which spin so i managed to grind a split into them and removed the slip rings before attempting to remove the nuts but some are recessed deep into wheel so more difficult .as a last resort i have had success welding a nut on top to remove....great video ..