Tenant Keeps Complaining About No Heat - Landlord Says "Fix It Regardless of Cost!"
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- This video follows Mike Diack as he navigates a heated situation with a tenant complaining about no heat in their apartment. Watch as the landlord takes drastic action, declaring, "Fix it regardless of cost!"
In this video, you'll see:
The tenant's frustration and the potential consequences of no heat.
The landlord's unique approach to resolving the issue.
The challenges and expenses involved in ensuring tenant comfort.
Valuable insights into landlord-tenant relationships and property management.
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So your solution was to dupe the tenants? That's not cool.
Shut up Karen
Seriously, man, you're implying that the tenants are stupid and said they won't know any better. I get that your customer is the landlord. I'm just saying it wasn't cool or necessary to say that.
@@MarshallLevin they are stupid, simple
@@PipeDoctor Nah, this makes you a scumbag.
Just another shady technician doing the slulords dirty work that's all
When I was much younger, worked at a AC company, tenant said furnace was broken after looking I found the problem- tenant didn’t think had to buy fuel oil
Well that is better than the poor women who filled the oil tank for her gas furnace. I can remember the coal shoot into the basement for the heater. good time, good time. Heat = work, I'm warm, not ccccold at all.......
Who is SAYED
@ it was the renter, he should get free heat
i'm guessing you were trying to spell "SAID"?
@@terencemerrittI think Paul here was the Tennant. 🤭 Sorry, Paul.
enjoyed...reminded w my ex wife always setting thermo to 75..i just went into advanced settings and 72 degrees read 75 on thermostat..
Very, very, very smart and also very sneaky 😏
@@PipeDoctorSometimes Mikey, that's all we can do because they won't listen to reason. Hehe
Hotels do this too. I bring my own thermometer, otherwise I feel crazy lol
need 2 thermostats. one to play with and the real one.
So trustworthy. Guess we know why you are her ex husband.
85 degrees😮 I live in North Dakota and anyone trying to keep 85 degrees would be broke in a month.
Just need r 40 in the walls and r 60 in the ceilings haha
At the school where I worked we had one room with an independent AC unit. The room had multiple users, some would complain it was too cold, others too hot. I installed an old round Honeywell thermostat on the wall and told them just to set it wherever they felt comfortable. No more complaints even though it was never connected to the unit!
“This guy is incompetent, didn’t even hook up the thermostat. let’s not call him back”
i like it! people are placated by their own perceptions, no drama
How much did you charge them for that placebo
Yeah I did the same with a lady in a large office. Left a note for future engineers...
The number of times I have had to go on a call to an 80F house on a no heat was ridiculous.
It’s pathetic
@PipeDoctor One time it was a man from India sleeping on a thin mat on the floor with baseboard radiant heat. I told him to get a bed to get off the ground and a fan to circulate the heat. The call was at 2am and I was pissed.
@@ik7578 tell them to put their sleeping mat on a dinning room table. 🤪 possibly some religious thing though.
@@ik7578 come on. He was just being reminded of home
Five words. Elderly women on blood thinners.
It could be 85 degrees in the building and they still have electric heaters running at their feet. It doesn't help that they wear no socks, and their skirt and blouse are synthetic vibers which are damn near paper thin and don't help to maintain body heat.
The corp. that I worked for had the heat and A/C controlled thru Richmond, VA, via probes mounted inside the building. They controlled all the bowling centers this way. For the A/C, I moved the probes up, recording a higher temp at their master control and allowing our units to provide more A/C. They never knew.
😂😎🥃
There are ways.😂
The best way to fix a problem is to learn how it works. I learned more from tenants then from mechanics on how to heat an apt. The best was the ice tray on the lock box. But put a towel below the ice tray to absorb water drip. Otherwise the wet floor is a dead give away. Now landlords think then buy there way out of this problem
Thermostats can’t fix this tenants issue only getting more heat upstairs, easier to make one loop. Pipe upstairs first then pick up basement zone with one loop. Can not twin in basement and 2 Fl on one loop, it will work but will not work well as that old Tri gauge explains. It has been the same problems for many years I’d bet , the only thing that has changed was the tenants and the landlords, but didn’t fix the problem. I would like to see a follow up video in feb when it gets cold.
@@atlasfueloilinc.2421 just a wet, not dripping towel covering it will work.
My house was built in 1870 here in New England well I was getting no heat on my second floor with 2 zones. After some testing of the thermostat line from the second floor there was a dead spot somewhere in the line. I had to reroute a new thermostat line and what a project that turned into.
You’re not the only one to have that problem. It’s a nightmare.
First day on job site to balance the hydronic heating system of a newly constructed hotel,I’m met in the parking lot by the GC,the Mech Contractor, and Clerk of the Works who were very upset. They informed me to begin balancing at the far end of the 2 story building because the room on the 2nd floor was bitterly cold and the first floor was roasting hot. They stated it was obviously a balancing problem and needed it fixed asap. I commented that with those extremes in temperatures it seemed to me to be a control concern and not the balance.
Lo and behold…I found that the control wires were in the opposite locations as what they should be. The first floor room was controlling the second floor and visa-versa on the second floor.
So the second floor being cold,had it’s thermostat cranked to which made the first floor extremely over heated and it’s thermostat set to it’s lowest setting.
Problem solved.
With my Ecobee and 4 wireless sensors, I can see temperatures in 4 rooms and using the app I can use any of the 4 sensors to control the furnace…for example if I’m having guests in my family room, I can control the family room temp using the remote sensor…it also has a “follow me” so the furnace will control the temperature in any room you are in…the sensors can tell if the room is occupied or not…works great
I have had an Ecobee with remote sensors for about 10 years now.
By far the best smart thermostat I've ever installed. And I've installs a lot of them. I'm not a big fan of the Nest thermostats because they're harder the program and don't make it easy to understand how it all works.
I think the customer wanted to put 1st floor and basement on one zone and the 2nd floor only on another zone. Then the second floor circuit could be purged of air properly. Adding the additional valves that you suggested would probably be easier than repiping everything and would solve the air problem. Tricking the tenant with wireless gizmos is not actually fixing the problem.
The high voltage wires hooked up to the low voltage thermostat wires was killing me. Edit: thanks for the master class in sales in this one as well. great video
it's not that uncommon.
@@richb7524You both have the same color and near similar patten for your account avatar. I thought you were commenting to yourself and you just went crazy. Ha
It's normal in older houses with boilers. The thermostat directly switches 120v to the circulation pump. The boiler is on 24/7 and the burner cycles on the aquastat also using 120v. Their is no 24v in the system. In my house on Long Island (Massapequa), the boiler ran 365 days a year because the boiler also was the hot water heater (indirectly fired).
@ I would have assumed that would burn the wires. maybe being 120v changes things a little, im used to working on 240v
Had a similar situation. I seperated the split curcuit and made two zones. So much better. Also, before I put in my Jackson controls internet wifi thermostats, I put those fixed construction site thermostat pigtails right in the thermostat. I used the 70 degree ones because the other part of that law you cited is "every room" is 68 min and theres always that one colder room.
Dang,85 degrees? I like to be warm in the winter,but that's ridiculous.
That's boiling lol 😅😅😅😅
Hi from Southern Australia, That's T-shirt temperature, getting to the point of plan your day so you are not over exerting yourself.
Old people with poor circulation want more heat, they feel cold.
@@mikecarr4576We used an electric heating pad, set on a lower temp (and NOT in direct contact with skin), to keep my elderly mother cozy warm while she watched TV or read a book. My niece, who expected to walk around in a thin T-shirt and either bare, or stocking feet, would crank the thermostats to a sweltering 85 degrees! This was way too uncomfortable, and drying, for my mother to tolerate, as she was cozy enough with her heating pad. She told her granddaughter to wear a sweatshirt, or a sweater, and a pair of slippers, as the temp was going to be dropped to 68 degrees.
@@mikecarr4576Also people on blood thinners. Makes their body heat regulator do weird stuff. It's could be 75° inside with 30° outside and they'd be cold and in layers.
Mikey, Get yourself a cable toner. You connect the transmitter to a pair & then use the wand to locate it on the other end. of the cable. the transmitter generates a low level RF signal that is picked up with the wand. The wand outputs a tone when its near or touching the cable. That would solve a lot of the guesswork with unlabeled Thermostat cables.
Low flow issue if there is a radiator valve that is restricting flow. Maybe the home was single zoned, and a valve was used to reduce the flow to some of the rooms. Would need to inspect the radiators to see if there was a radiator valve installed.
That is a really good idea.
@@PipeDoctor Klein ET450 is a nice one. I've been able to trace copper pipes in-slab with it. Very happy with it
@@PipeDoctor X3 on the tone generator. They're even more appreciated when you have bad knees and need to run up and down stairs several times. LOL!
I have an ecobee. My remote sensor fell off the table and caused my house to overheat.
Love a tone set, especially when you're taking over someone else's wiring job. Makes cable identification easy.
Heating issues aside as an electrician the massive number of electric code violations is amazing.
Just running control wires inside conduit with power circuit can induce current in the control and mess up the signal. Those control wires should be shielded with the shield grounded on one side.
this guy sets himself up for so many liabilities... him knowing about the living conditions.... if that house caught fire, and it's proven he knew about the conditions AND the electrical violations (which, he posts on youtube) but did not report it, then he could be just as culpable as the owner/landlord.... especially in that city/state.
I've only apprenticed, but am of low voltage technician by trade And I spot a bunch of them as well. Dangerous shit
some people are always cold, most older people and skinny people, i am not skinny so i am always hot, I had a renter that kept having the heat up full blast and by the time i figured out what was going on it cost me over $2,000 in excess electric bill, I found this out when the air conditioner was on and found a space heater on full blast, i freaked out, also people need to use curtains in the winter covering windows to help keep heat in and the cold out, wear a house coat or do not walk around naked, great video and ideas you gave to solve this problem, they need to do what you said for sure because in the long run it will cost them way more money and headache .
Very educational, thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
This is a reminder to solve basic problems first. If the pipes are not hot then fix the flow issue before doing other things. You can usually put a hand on a circ to see if it's running instead of chasing up and down the extra several times. If there's a basement tenant there should be a 3rd T-stat, other wise just valve it off. The room will never go below 50 degrees anyway.
Exactly, this dude keeps talking about thermos and troubleshooting those, when the pipe isn't even hot for the upper zone - because the upper zone is full of air. And up sells the landlord on new thermo controls. But you see he did put the pressure relief valve to solve the problem, so that's good. I just don't know why he glazed over the air in system issue rather then being more direct and explaining that's where the issue probably is. Also there's probably a bleed valve somewhere in the upper zone when the system was originally setup to purge the air.
They say they have no heat but shows 74 on the thermostat....lol. I keep it at 70 in the winter. Good Lord!
Seems like a case of "I'm cold" vs. "I'm hot."
Yea man the darker people don’t like the cold so 75 is cold to them
Funny thing is if I set my house at 70 it is too much and I live in wisconsin lol. TBF I do live in a well insulated house though so that does help alot. I usually keep my house around 65 in the winter and a little colder at night. However this is a individual preference thing.
@@James-kg1wf
Depends on where the thermostat is as well.
You could have it set to 70 but then your bedroom is 60 and your living room is 72 while your kitchen is 70.
@@bobshanery5152true as everyone has different tolerances or preferences. I find the 60s even at 60 to be quite comfortable considering the outside temps alot. At least where I live anyways. In the South many people thought us northerns were nuts for wearing shorts in the winter which was definitely comfortable for a bunch of us lol
I keep heat set at 69 in the winter and 77 for AC in the summer. North Idaho. 85 is crazy.
NEC code you cant mix low voltage (class II) with line voltage (120/240)
rip the old thermostat wiring out of the conduit, run new thermostat wire to the second floor.
TELL THAT TO THE PLUMBER AND/OR ELECTRICIAN WHO INSTALLED THIS MESS
Yea that was scary when he opened that cover. Cringe…… Whoever did the wiring needs a different line of work, maybe counting the grains of sand in a hourglass.
That seems like a situation like “I don’t have the proper wire so I will just use what I have on the truck because I don’t care”
Thermostat replacement doesn’t feel like a solution, gives some extra control but was mostly just an upsale. Keep in mind you can put the remote probe outside or near a window and you get more heat.
The 3rd zone would have worked much better. The loops are unbalanced, or simply the longer path takes more time to return. I don’t understand what that extra valve does for the 2nd floor since it’s on the basement pipe, I got something to do with air, but there are automatic air valves that can be mounted up top and fix the issue. If this is using water radiators, everyone should know how to remove air from each one.
Now I’m no expert, but this seems not to be much of a fix. Maybe adding a flow valve on the basement would have given the possibility to adjust the flow rate and have equilibrium.
Should be a bleeder valve on the second floor to get rid of the baulk of the air. But an automatic bleeder/purge will take care of dissolved gas as it comes out of solution. Where flows divide or combine it would be better to use a "Y" instead of a "T".
To be honest you have 24V AC low amperage (themostat) which are also piggy backing signaling, 8-24V AC doorbell voltage that depending on if its an older bell/chime can pull some pretty good current, connecting to 120V AC. You have the 24v wires changing impedance values because they go from 12 gauge to 18 gauge. Then on top of that you have them all running in parallel inside a grounded conduit that is physically in contact with a 120v-24v transformer. All of that connected via two different runs going back to the same control unit.
Talk about EM field city baby!!!
I used to live in an apartment building that only had ONE working thermostat, and it wasn't in my apartment. I just went in the basement and switched the wires so that MY thermostat controlled the heat. End of problem.
Walkout basement we keep kitchen and dining rooms between 72 and 78 depending if we just came in cold or warm , 3 bedrooms and living room have doors and are cooler .
2 tanks propane a year
Believe it or not I have had more than one no A/C call and had to explain to the tenant they had to pay the electric bill to keep the electric company from turning the power off.
A mechanical thermostat will go short when calling for heat but an electronic thermostat would go dark if it shorted the line. The best it can do is have different resistance for on and off in that way the display can stay on. The box it connects to detects the difference and controls a relay so the electronic thermostat looks like a mechanical thermostat from that point on.
After being in the hvac field for 33 years, I couldn't care less if I ever talked to another person again...
lol. been doing service for 25 years, it's not just hvac that feel that way. luckily i'm commercial/industrial. no way i could do residential. pay sucks and customers are way worse
I feel your pain
We had a new 95% efficient gas furnace installed. It came with a new programmable thermostat, worked great for 3 1/2 maybe 4 years. Then one day nothing. House getting cold It's late October. The service call was $90 and a New AAA battery in the thermostat to fix it.
I feel this to my core. Check the batteries. Lol
I had a second zone in my home he used Honeywell control in 3 years i went through 3 300 dollar control s luckily was under warranty when it failed again I bought a 70 dollar controller from Amazon and 6 years later never an issue.
My SIL rents a 2 story upper apartment. One floor is either too cold or too hot.....no balance in temps.
The landlord knows those code violations are going to cost him a fortune if an inspector comes. That is why he wants it fixed regardless of cost.
I rented the same apartment where there was a boiler for which I paid, and the landlady had radiators connected in the stairwell, where the landlady kept flowers so they wouldn't freeze in winter. And that pissed me off. In another rent, another tenant's one bedroom was connected to my electricity meter and he had air conditioning there. Before you rent go to check gas and electric if the landlord do not cheat you. It doesn't matter who likes hot or cold. The Eskimo sleeps in a house made of ice and is fine. The important thing is that if you want to do business with someone and make money from it, you must provide him with conditions that he likes. Either create a separate system that he will pay for himself, or don't rent it.
I love my ecobee best thermostat I’ve ever had
My go-to thought is air in the 2nd floor line which needs to be purged. Can be done by isolating the 2nd floor system, pressurizing it, and flushing out through the boiler valve.
A couple weeks ago I woke up and my apartment was freezing the batteries in my thermostat died so I yanked the thermostat out of the wall and hot wired the boilers just like that once it was warm and my batteries recharged I fixed it.
You’re a real hotshot, huh?
@@PipeDoctor ?
Do you have a video to install C wire kit for the thermostad replacement (The modern thermostats are coming with no batteries).
We tried ecobee sensor instead of running 6 wire so we can control heat pump /cooling. My boss thought it was a great solution but eventually we ended taking out the sensors and running a fast Stat 3000 instead. Sensors had a mind of their own and batteries wouldn't last. Also, the wifi was sometimes an issue.
Yep. I go through this during the switch from A/C to heat every year. The unseasonanbly warm KS weather this year has delayed that inevitable, and when the arctic blast inevitably hits, it'll be elbows and a**holes. More a**holes than elbows, unfortunately 😂
The much needed valve on the upstairs return, did it get installed? I myself would have gone for function. Would have said to Mr Pipes, first add the necessary valves first so purging can be accomplished. Then do the upgrades. Saw the exact same situation at my parents family home. They install to make it work not to make it easier. So I wonder if the purge valves were soldered in?
Watch the 3rd video on this series
Having a zoned system in my house, I have 9 Ecobees across two HVAC systems with multiple remotes. I wouldn't trust the remote wireless sensors in that situation. You really should install something more commercial for that situation. I would add the third zone for sure, that way the basement could be set at much lower temp if no one is living down there. Keep up the good work sir! Happy New Year from DFW where I still need to run the AC as it will be almost 80F here this week! 👍💯
How big is your house?
@@BREEZYM6015 Just under 7500 sq ft.
Highest point on radiator. You can use a bleed key. I didn't see you look at baseboard. It's been a while lol. I could be wrong.
read the "factory" manual thats a new one for me thx
Best one, I had one complain for weeks! Come to find out the gas was turned off.
what was the problem i felt i got the run around treatment my self
Oklahoma has pretty much done away with boiler heaters. They were deemed far to dangerous. We use either Electric Central Heat/Air or Gas, but no boilers.
Just remember, if you run out of electrical junction boxes on the truck, you can just run the wires inside the coldwater line too😂🎉❤.
It's good at time to explain how things should be working to people to help with the fault finding process.
I have a honeywell with 2 wireless room sensors on the 2nd floor, they are EXTREMELY handy to have. kinda sucks the wifi module is separate and not built into the thermostat though.
Gotta give it up to the clever thermostat wiring ! Thinking that they used existing wall lights for those runs .. however an electrician nightmare ! 14 and 18 gauge don't usually mix . And as far as that second floor and basement mixed zones just put shut off valves on both sides and bleed low to high...
We live in Franklin New Hampshire and we have no hot water or heat the gas companies told us it was a easy way to fix it so we could have gas and heat but we have a landlord that doesn't care about his building
My best friend's sister lives in Franklin.. i did lots of work there too
So 3 tenants but only 1 had no heat off the single furnace with 2 zones. Let’s investigate the entire wiring system first instead of first looking at the thermostat in the affected unit to see if it is working or being used correctly?
I don’t know what you’re trying to say but when you said the word furnace, all bets are off
Seems like a shady guy.
The complaint was for no heat, which was confirmed as a flow issue where the heat was not flowing up to the second floor.
The second floor seems like it was tapped into the basement.
Therefore, in theory, it was the basement that was causing the "stealing "of heat going to the second floor.
A simple installation of a check valve in that line would have caused the heated water, to not be able to backflow into the basement, and thus be forced to flow into the second floor, providing the heat.
Instead, you offered an expensive way to control remotely, as opposed to locally, the "calling "for heat.
I understand that many landmarks want to control the amount of heat that is provided, as a financial solution, however, humanity would dictate that you provide someone with heat.
You can, tell a book by its color ...
Is it common to pull everything apart to check before just hitting the thermostat up to see what exactly is happening? Anytime I run into a problem with anything that I am doing I try to recreate the problem so that I know exactly what is happening.
With Section 8, the gubmint pays everything. So theres no incentive to keep it at 68, or put plastic up. A constantly chirping smoke alarm would make this complete.
Actually section 8 doesn’t have to include utilities unless the landlord has that in a contract.
@only1muppet the welfare deadbeats get HEAP, a lump sum of cash for the seasons heat bills. They can also get a free window a/ c
❤ Bring your air out.
Very neat existing mix of low voltage and line wires. 😂
I know, right?
If that isn't a National Electric Code violation , High voltage and low voltage should never be in the same box even when using romex for the low voltage. I am not sure of the article in the code book.
You can have different voltages in the same enclosure as long as the low voltage conductors have an insulation rating equal to or greater than the highest voltage present within that enclosure...
@@REWYRED I agree the voltage is not the issue. I thought running 22 gage wires in the same conduit as line voltage would be a violation. It is hack job as is! The right move would be to abandon the 12 gage thermostat wires and run new wires or install wireless sensors.
@@waltahlgrim5508 where the brown thermostat wire enters the box with the switch would be a violation as that "LVT" is only rated to 50 volts or so..
The red and blue pair appear to be THHN or TEW something rated upwards of 120V so it would not be a violation..
Just as on an AC condenser your LVT thermostat wire enters a separate little compartment where it connects to a couple of TEW leads that are rated at 600V. That in turn goes into the side that has the 240V wiring.. No violation.... If the LVT were to enter that side of the condenser that would be a violation.
I agree and would do the same, pull a new thermostat wire and one with a couple extra conductors than what you need for future.
@@REWYRED yeah, the proper(line voltage/building rated) wire should pass through that into another junction box without line voltage and splice to the low voltage wiring there.
I'm guessing it was that way at one time and someone else got all fancy pants shoving it into one box.
alternate, use a separator available in some plastic boxes and plastic box. but that's probably violation there in itself.
@@throttlebottle5906 Crazy thing, I dont know if you have ever seen "fire alarm / signal" aka "FAS" cable but it looks IDENTICAL to the standard LVT thermostat wire only the outer sheathing is red and its rated to 300V. You can also get it as an armoured cable.
If they would of used that, and I have for thermostats myself just because we have piles of it, you could run it amongst all the line voltage wiring with no concern or code violation either.... Bit confusing maybe but.🤷♂️
I'll bet there was air in the system so adding that valve to allow it to be properly purged likely would have fixed it. I once moved into a 4 story house that had hot water radiators. It apparently always got pretty cold in the Winter. I asked when the last time they'd bled the air out of all the radiators and got a blank look. Well, after doing that (with somebody keeping an eye on water levels in the very old boiler), suddenly all the rooms got nice and toasty. Most of the radiators were under half full. We were able to drop the thermostat down and save a fair amount on the gas bill. As for taking away the tenants ability to adjust the temperature. Kind of a dirty trick, but if the landlord is paying the heating bill, totally justifiable. Another advantage is presumably the landlord can monitor the temperature the sensors are detecting and would know if there were a problem without the tenants even needing to call.
I would set thermostat at 73 and wake up and it would be 89 degrees, I called landlord and the maintenance guy said there's nothing wrong, long story short I had to cut the heat off by cutting breaker off, I got tired of calling 😊 Also I would make sure the breaker was off whenever i was gone
From an electrical stand point, your not allowed to mix voltages. Besides the fact that wire is not 600v rated.
There’s an endless supply of “mickeyed” systems out there! It’s a really nice feeling when you get a green light to repair what is necessary.
I cant wait to see your training wall up and running. I think that will great for many reasons. But maybe some thing crazy you have seen before you can replicate in the shop. Id be happy to come mess with it so your guys can trouble shoot lol. Cant wait to see that in action brother and God Bless you and your family and team.
Thanks for the encouragement!
Did anyone else see the spark on that transformer @2:39????
Can you recommend a link that would show how to add or jump to a “ C” wire please ? I have three zones but only one works off WiFi and that has limited control capabilities. We’re older now with some mobility issues . Be able to control all three zones remotely would be a big help. One ( WiFi thermostat also controls A/C if that’s an issue ) .
Line voltage and low voltage mixed in the same boxes and conduit, nice! Code, what’s that?
Yes, it is
My wife would turn the thermostat up on snowy days i would come in from work theres a heat island around the house no snow in 10 ft. She said it is cold so i turned it up. It took me literally years to get her to understand how it works.
I'm very surprised to see low voltage and line voltage in the same box. I'm from Canada and it's not allowed to have low voltage in line voltage in the same box I don't know how it is it where you are.
No there is many many violations in that one box alone
It was line voltage then converted.
Am forever amazed by the populus out there. Using a boiler for heat is some what an odd concept for me. Why pay for gas that then heats water that then flows threw pipes. The simple salution is to restrict the flows so there even.
Using a boiler means you dont have hot gasses running through your house. If you have a leak its easy to find because the water pools in the area.
I love the vision pro8000's with the EIM'S 👌 theyre great tstats.
A little hard to follow with the way the video skips around - was the issue simply that the tenant was mistaken about there being no heat OR was there actually little to not heat (as evident by the cold pipe)?
Put a Venstar in and limit the setpoint and password protect it... no lockbox required.. give the tenantthe ability to maxx out at 74 and minimum of 55 or such.. I use them all the time.. plus can be on wifi if the landlord desires.. YES! I **AM** one of those that keeps my house warm in winter.. im sorry 68 doesnt cut it.. i would shiver and refuse to be uncomfortable in my own home.. if I rented a place with a lockbox id rip it off in the first day.. no way im wearing sweaters... very thin guy here and canr stand cold.. I want my heat at 74 or 75 during the day..
68? I would divorce my wife if she had it on 68. 59 thank you
I keep mine on 70 forvwinter and summer. Heat does not get turned on until is at 32 degrees and Summer when you go out and sweat! Wisconsin weather! You wear layers.....😅😅
My tenant buys their oil añd in the lease temp is not to go under 60 in winter and I dont cate how hot they set it.😊
Sell him a third zone for the basement an you are done
I like the green "ground conductor" cap with open hole in the end, totally used on line voltage, then low voltage wiring entering and spliced within a line voltage box without separator, it should continue through to a separate splice box where it then connects to the low voltage wiring. that assumes it's actual line voltage building rated wiring, that's also an over filled box. 🤢🤮
Wire going through a knockout with no retention connector either! So many violations
Is the second floor tenant paying to heat the basement apartment as well?
Unlikely. There's only one boiler so there's only one bill. There's two zones, but zones can't be billed separately (boiler heats water for everyone). 2nd floor and basement do share a control, which is never really going to work well.
Mikey the NYC heat regulation is from October 1 to May 31 ,atleast 68 degrees inside between 6am to 10 pm when outdoor temperature falls to 55 and below 10pm to 6am must be atleast 62 degrees indoors, .
“I just want it fixed” means he doesn’t understand anything and is a slumlord. Lmao
You did it again found the wires where they go excellent doctoring everything...
The clue was in the statement, oh that's not on, it's a split system if one system is on and the other is off, you get heat sync or bleeding from the off system drawing the heat from the on system via the split pipe system.
Our foundry bag house dust collectors the motors had 30 wire going to o them I have forgotten size and voltage
Sounds like you need a schematic!
Listening to the tenants speak to you and one another I’m gonna say they like it Caribbean hot. Kinda explains the sun surface setting.
Years ago I had a problem with tenants complaining about not enough heat or air conditioning installed dummy thermostats never had a problem after that.
Sounds like a nightmare. Good thing you fixed it
Yep had a landlord do the same…. He suggested we keep the sink running slowly but the water keeps freezing on the sides of the sink. When showering the walls would all ice up..had to use space heater to warm bathroom enough to remove clothing the thermostat was Definitely not 65*f.
Dummy thermostats seem so incredibly dishonest and scummy.
Should not the wires be labeled to where they go around the house to the fuse/breakout box?
It never ceases to amaze me how lousy the pipe insulation is in heating systems. Either the original installation was sloppy or crappy maintenance practices over the years. All those missing insulation systems represent heat loss - heat that you spent good money creating. My system has even the valves insulated (with easy to remove covers) and I can tell you, there is very little temperature difference from the water coming out of the boiler to the far end radiator.
I put ball valves on all of my return lines so I could change the pressures and flow going to different loops.
my brother did that for a gym with a fake thermostat but realistically buildings and insulation needs to be checked honestly who knows how bad insulation or windows is, my brother bought a house and pretty much all the windows needs to be fixed as well with the doors
Fix it
I replaced the pressuretrol now the heater shuts off randomly and I have to hit the reset button on the pressuretrol for it to run again. It won’t ignite unless I hit the reset button on the Honeywell L4079B1033. Any help is appreciated
my tenants' complained about the heat it being to cold in the winter or to cold in the summer with the AC on i ran the c wire bought honeywell T9 thermostat and remote sensors. i put 80 inch ceiling fans in every room . that thermostat change the conversations between me and my tenants..they were trying to get over because i lived 3000 miles away and i had to go by what they said....now they complain about rabbits in the driveway
Remote thermostat is a great idea but the tenant will just put on an electric heater and risk a fire.
would a wire toner tool not help out in a situation like this?
The best way to avoid disputes about the temperature is to have the tenant pay their own utilities.
The only fly in this ointment is that removes any incentive for the landlord to upgrade to modern equipment or properly insulate the unit.
For example, there are countless “modern” apartment buildings in Chicago - the legendary “4+1” type of building. These buildings, generally built in the 50’s and early 60’s - have four floors of apartments over one floor of entry / laundry / utility / parking. Construction is in insulated concrete block .Each apartment has a single 12-ft wide single pane, aluminum frame window. To make matters worse, the heat for the entire building is controlled by a single thermostat in the secured boiler room. Apparently the theory is that if the boiler room is set at 75 all the apartments will be comfortable. This plan fails to account for heat rising (upper floors tend to be warmer), the sun striking only a few units, and the wind hitting one side of the building. This design was specifically to keep construction costs as low as possible while just meeting code.
Bro seriously you are in woodmere… 🤣🤣 I thought I recognized the name. Used to be in the industry and in the 5 towns also
honeywell vision pro is not more expensive than ecobee when purchased at cost. only the markups make it much more expensive.
That's an interesting take!
I still don't understand what the problem was. You said one pipe was not hot although it seems like it should have been? Why wasn't it hot?