To say that the captain was unprofessional and egotistical was an understatement. This crash did not need to happen at all. When he said, "Let him say whatever he wants to say," I felt my stomach churn.
There is a story of a B727 freighter on a night flight into a Pacific island. The captain ordered the first officer to set an altitude that was below the lowest safe altitude for the aircraft's path. The first officer questioned the order and was told to do what he was told. The first officer tried to reason with the captain without success until he removed the crash axe from its bracket and threatened the captain that he would use it if the correct altitude was not set. The captain complied.
@Kevin what would you think the captains reaction would've been to the co-pilot actually taking charge and taking control of the aircraft? would he have fought him on the control stick so neither of their inputs would have helped this flight??
@@anthonymichalski9015 Well based from the reports available to the public I would think any insubordination would be met with resistance. To my knowledge the Airbus left seat flight controls override the right seat. Unfortunately the first officer was too passive and the crew had too many mistakes to overcome. At the first aural terrain warning if a hard climb to a safe altitude would have been executed they would have had a chance to start over but it seems the Captain was stuck with the improper procedure. I flew in that region quite a bit from '03 to '14.
@@jensnobel5843, that's okay. The ones that can't make it as pilots immigrate to the US to drive semi trucks. You should see the mess some of them get into.
Mandatory retirement exists for a reason. Losing your mind is scary and can easily cause someone to lash out, as I think we're witnessing first-hand here in America.
In the dozens of Allec’s videos I have watched, this may be the all time record high number of mistakes and bad decisions by a pilot. Wow. And even if the First Officer was more assertive, I get the feeling the Captain would have just ignored him anyway, the way he ignored everything and everyone else. Sad.
This is not the worse case of an authoritarian Captain in command making many mistakes, of course there are no official ranking for such cases🤔. If you have access to Disney+ they own the NatGeo series air crash investigations, you will see many cases of 1st officers that “prefers to die” instead of challenging the authority of the captain! Than they will talk about Crew Resources Management training, until the next a**hole that happens to be in command screws up and nobody dares to challenge him!
I have now seen dozens of Allec's reconstructions, and I think this one may be the most frustrating of them all to watch. "Terrain: pull up!" plays for a large fraction of the video, and yet the flight crew did nothing. My next-door neighbor's late husband was a (retired) career pilot for Qantas, and his advice was: "Only fly with airlines you've heard of from a lot of sources."
In that case, the much younger, ex-military FO should've began punching the captain in the side of the head until he was either submissive, or unconscious.
It sounds as if the captain was past it, knew deep down that he was failing, tried to cover his growing inadequacies with bluster, but then they pitched him into a black hole of panic
I agree. He did have 25k or so hours, but it sounds like he knew he had made previous bad decisions or forgetful errors on flights and turned his uncetainty against his younger ex military FO to reinstate his own self confidence. I'm 63 and that's probably jibber jabber, but if he would have behaved courteously and respectfully to the FO from the start he possibly wouldn't have gone in to self denial and instead listened to the controller and FO. Not confirming HDG mode by pulling it confirms he was in meltdown, but too arrogant to ask for help.
@Redlined997 C2S absolutely, Allec has the best, informative, aviation channel on UA-cam!!! It's just so sad the first officer didn't make more of an uproar and help gain control of the aircraft. Such a shame the captain had to be such an ass and then create the ultimate mistake on the same flight
Seems a case of "I'm better than you ", even when things go wrong. I feel sorry for the First Officer and all he passengers. Even the Captain, I feel sorry for. Thanks Allec.
I wonder if the Captain was having a *_silent stroke_*. It seems odd that he could have so many flight time hours with anything close to that kind of behavior. You would think self preservation would kick in and make the First Officer take over in the "Terrain Ahead! Pull Up!" warnings.
That was my read as well. His behavior suggests an early dementia of some sort that was not recognized. Coupled with a cultural need for dominance, it was a recipe for the resulting disaster. Better and more frequent neurology consultations may be needed worldwide. .
@@cockerhamsands Not “excuses”, but possible explanation. For all we know, he was an ass all along, but his previous misbehavior was glossed over by management. If a new or unusual behavior, though, my observation still holds. I’ve seen many patients with behavior changes that were caused by such. Even without alcohol or other drugs.
That captain must have been one mean S.O.B. to intimidate a first officer who had flown F-16s. Was bracing myself for the crash sound for the whole approach to Islamabad. Any chance that the official cause of the crash is “asshole captain”?
This 'Captain' should not have been in charge of a bus let alone a commercial passenger aircraft. The appalling intimidation of his first officer from the get go set the scene for the disaster to follow the series of incompetent actions of the pilot flying. The poor first officer knew they were in trouble but felt so battered he couldn't do anything to stop the Captain flying into terrain.
It's easy to have 20-20 hindsight at this point. However, had that been my rearend in the copilot seat, at the moment the pilot started acting erratic during approach, he would have gotten two choices. Either relinquish control of the aircraft to me, or get knocked out. I know that sounds radical, but my desire for self preservation and saving all of those on board, would have been foremost over all other concerns. I.e. There comes a time when proper procedure must go out the window, and the commander as well if deemed necessary.
@@stargazer5784 You are very correct. In a proper CRM environment, the FO would say 'I have control' and the Captain should recognize his erratic or erroneous behavior for the FO to have taken such action. In this case engaging in a physical assault may have helped get control back to the FO or it may have resulted in an out of control fight (given the Captain's behavior up to then) leaving the aircraft without anyone in control.
It is hard to believe that this was the first example of the Captain's behavior. If I am right, this issue should have been addressed prior to this flight and the passengers lives would have been saved.
as a Pakistani this is a such a embarrassing incident, a case of a egotistical brat who thought he was superior to everyone else and degrading others at his expense, weather was a factor as well but the chemistry between both pilots in terms of communication wasn't there thus resulting in the worst
@Asad Kamran, no need for embarrassment. There are arrogant-but-incompetent jerks on every continent, in every nation & culture. It’s tragic that many of them seem to end up being responsible for other people’s lives.
This case is just like the PIA 8303 flight. The Captain has a know it all attitude and no humility. Maybe that's why Pakistani airlines were often banned from flying into European airspace after these disasters because of the incompetence, attitude and lack of CRM in the cockpit.
I flew for a major airline for over thirty years and watching this video makes me shake my head in disbelief. I flew with a couple of pilots over the years I had second thoughts about but never like this Captain. Your videos are very informative, it would be a good idea for airlines to show some during annual training.
I can't fold to a punk, Ive had my butt kicked because of that trait. When I was a kid the cool kids were spitting on a guy in the crew, I got my butt kicked but they weren't spitting on him.
Great work again! How tragic that one person's arrogance -- covering up his own inadequacies and fears -- can lead to the deaths of so many innocent people. You also have to fault the airline for hiring a pilot like that, for not having policies and procedures that would detect folks like this (you know this could not have been first time he'd acted this way, nor was this copilot the only one he'd treated in this manner -- nor the first time he'd demonstrated a non-compliance attitude towards established procedures. The airline SHOULD have established a "corporate culture" where FO's and others could report such behaviors, without threat of reprisal, and such complaints investigated and dealt with. So often with incidents like this there's a chain of events, a set of things that have to link together to cause the accident, and if any of those links are removed, the accident would never have happened. This pilot should have never been allowed to be become a captain, and probably, given his non-compliance attitude, had his license suspended or revoked a long time before this.
This "accident" goes way further than very sad. 😢 I understand how the copilot felt but he should have taken control. I've never been one to keep my mouth shut when I knew better & that included doctors. I'm a retired RN. A wishy-washy pilot with hundreds of people he was responsible for...all dead.
I agree, I would never shut up myself, but we have to account for the difference in culture. When he has grown up in a culture, that requires him to not just respect his elders, but to always follow their orders, it becomes difficult. There were many of that kind of avoidable accidents in especially Korean airlines due to that culture, they had to make a very targeted training of their pilots to get out of that thinking. And it wasnt that many decades ago, that it was the same in Western cockpits, that was a part of why CRM was invented.
@@brians9508 "...been raised in their world". I'm 70 years old. I was raised during a time when women were 2nd class citizens. If you became pregnant, there goes your job. Women made less money (and still do) than men for the same employment. Men were head of the house according to the IRS & religions, even when women brought home an income that could be greater than her husband's. Society, at that time, quietly thought women should defer to men in every aspect. The women of my generation fought against these chains, just like our mothers & grandmothers did. Societies can not grow & change for the better under such conditions. You guys in this thread are excusing this copilot's actions when there isn't any excuse. Why don't you guys tell the families of the killed your theories/excuses & see WTF they have to say about it. 🤨
@@brians9508 This has happened in the West as well, but was addressed much earlier. When you see a browbeaten crew like this, part of his thinking is, “one word from this guy and my career is over.”
Hey Allec, great job again! Another lesson learned for all of us. Unfortunately for the young F/O he could not leave the cockpit. That´s what we would do with a grumpy old selfish guy, leave him alone. But the work on the flightdeck is different, you can´t leave the old man in charge alone, you need to block his inputs and take over the control and if there would be a third person involved, this person would have to shut up the captain or better relieve him from duty right away. Too bad this usually does not happen. From my POV it started with the captains confusion of the destination they are flying to. And during the process of disregarding the 'sterile cockpit' rule, he showed himself as not reliable.
Besides all the obvious causes of this tragedy, the over-reliance on using the autopilot to control the aircraft’s movements played a significant role in this and other videos I’ve watched. It seems many commercial pilots forget how and WHEN to retake manual control instead of wondering why the aircraft is not automatically behaving as expected. After the first couple of audible warnings, the Captain should have disabled all the automation and hand-flown the plane.
I know hindsight is 20/20, but dang... I wish the FO had taken side stick priority, gotten them out of that mess, and found a way to put her down safely. Let the Captain's actions bury his career. Too many innocent people didn't have to die.The FO seemed to be the only person in that cockpit who had situational awareness.
So sad. One overconfident pilot killed all those people. Shows that 25K+ flight hours can't cure stupidity. He violated about every protocol in the book. May the dead rest in peace. Great video, Allec, thanks. You're putting out a lot these days... awesome...
I just don't understand how someone can sit there and just let that happen! I'd knock that fool out and give myself a fighting chance of saving that plane. It's baffling that some people would just let the stupidity continue.
In this case, besides an aviation culture that was deficient on the part of the captain, there was also an obvious social culture at work here, that values a hierarchy above all other considerations.
It's their masochistic culture. They let senior assholes dominate out of respect even if it means screwing oneself up. PIA flight 8303 is another example.
It's bad enough when your ego gets you killed but when you take people with you it's just inexcusable. Unfortunately most of us have worked for or with folks just like this.
Thank you Allec for another informative post with the worst possible outcome. I’m not sure how anyone could have taken over control of the flight from a lost, confused, arrogant button pushing captain. He certainly beat every possible safety measure and precaution.
I felt really anguished during all the moments prior to the crash... couldn't believe the captain's attitude, and felt totally awful for the first officer, who warned several times to the captain of the proximity to terrain. Really, really sad accident. RIP everyone onboard 🙏🏼 Great work Allec! 👍🏼
I was thinking exactly that. It takes a lot of training and confidence to fly an F16. If I could do that I wouldn't let a stupid old confused captain run me into the ground.
Great video! Just to clarify, on the A320, pulling the Heading knob will activate the heading mode. Pushing on the same knob will activate the NAV mode (there will be a dashed line and a dot in the heading window). The NAV switch only changes the Navigation Display (ND) and does not affect the flight path. Well done!
yes, and the nav mode doesn't activate if the plane is not heading to intercept the flight path, in that case, the pilot needs to activate hdg trk and then intercept the flight path manually or use the direct-to function.
There's a few similarities between this flight and Northwest Airlink 5719, which crashed in Hibbing Minnesota in the 1990's. That would be really cool if Alec did that one, it's very interesting.
Excellent video! When people treat me like that Captain treated the FO, they are considered enemies and no longer respected. I feel bad for the FO and the passengers, but not the Captain.
I've learned with many of these people, all you have to do is stand up to them one time, and they'll never treat you like that again. Though that's easier said than done when the person is in a position to fire you or make your life a living hell at work.
Do you realize not every viewer of this channel is not a Sully like you. I doubt if Sully were here, he would be so hip and cool as you. using aircraft acronyms. He would understand as smart as he is, he would not try to show up others using terms like CVR,CRM, GA. EFB, TOGA, FO. But you are not him you need to prove what you know. That type of person is known as a know it all or smart ass.
Another incident where a high hour captain is actually a liability. Pilot hours seem to be subject to the law of diminishing returns - inexperience leads to mistakes, which are avoided with experience, but too much experience leads back to carelessness and mistakes.
Often times bullying and belittling others is a sign of feelings of inadequacy... my thoughts are that this “Captain” used intimidation to bolster his ego because he was declining and knew it. It was to everyone’s detriment that he had wiped clean any confidence the first officer had. Bless and keep all who died unnecessarily that sad day. 🙏😔
This captain for all his flight time and experience seemed to know very little about how the instruments on the Airbus worked, he didn't know the difference between HDG & NAV mode and his arrogance killed hundreds of people, the first officer should have taken over, that captain was an accident waiting to happen.
I believe that the captain attempted to establish absolute dominance of the flight early in the flight by asking his co-pilot questions that the captain figured that the co-pilot could not answer thereby putting doubt in the co-pilots head making it easier for the captain to have his way on the flight deck. This could be due to the captains doubts about himself. 61 years old is pushing the envelope for handling complicated approaches which this approach certainly was.
Pull Up warning - (Pilot Flying) Disconnect autopilot, Pitch up using full back stick, Disregard flight directors, TOGA power, Ensure speedbrakes are retracted, Level the wings. (Pilot Monitoring) Verify max thrust, Verify all required actions have been completed and call out any omissions, Verify speedbrakes are retracted. Also he was more than twice the distance out on the circling approach! I've been flying for over 33 years as an airline pilot and almost without fail, the arrogant condescending captains are trying to make up for their lack of skill. Doesn't matter if I'm flying with a newbie or a seasoned f/o, I treat them all with respect. Some guys just have to make an easy job hard.
@@edwardrichardson5567 Not on an Airbus my good man. Procedure is spelled out clearly in the QRH and it calls for full back stick - as long as one is in normal law the aircraft will not stall.
Making the first officer shut up ahead of time and then doing all of these incredibly stupid mistakes tells me that the captain wanted to crash the plane, but if anyone knew he did it deliberately he probably wouldn't get a life insurance payout, a pass into heaven, or whatever the hell he convinced himself he'd get. The most dangerous crazy people are the ones who know how to keep their intentions hidden.
I find myself thinking this could not have been the first and only time this Captain had taken this kind of attitude with his First Officer and regarding the flight in general. Something tells me this was probably common for him and the flight deck should never ever have Captains with attitudes like this and it should never have First Officers too afraid to speak out and take command of actually flying the plane if need be. Both Pilots are responsible for that flight and all persons on board and you cannot have a cockpit with an environment like this. This tragedy was so avoidable. Appreciated the video Mr. Allec.
Sorry but how can you make a nosedown move while the computer is warning you of the "low terrain"? RIP to everyone, excluding that idiotic man in the cockpit.
I have a lot of respect for this channel and the fact that that it hasn't resorted to the same use of idiotic mis-titling and overdramatic keywaords and thumbnails as so many other channels. Just does it's own thing and long may it continue.
This is one of the saddest ones yet on this channel. What a terrible set of circumstances, and it's mostly due to a prick of a pilot who had a hard on for a young FO and wanted to show his authority that morning.
Sounds like it should have been the FO questioning the captain's ability instead of the other way around. And I think at some point while the captain kept ignoring the terrain warnings, I'd have taking the stick and flown it manually. just to keep from crashing, regardless of how the captain treated me earlier.
Do you realize not every viewer of this channel is not a Sully like you. I doubt if Sully were here, he would be so hip and cool as you. using aircraft acronyms. He would understand as smart as he is, he would not try to show up others using terms like CVR,CRM, GA. EFB, TOGA, FO. But you are not him you need to prove what you know. That type of person is known as a know it all or smart ass.
@@dx1450 Generally you can skip the first 3 minutes, no one cares who the flight crew was, the time on the ground before take off and most of the bs in the first three minutes.
This captain's problems actually began on the ground when he confused the arrival and departure airports and entered the wrong flight plan. Seems like a simple enough mistake (that most pilots will probably admit having made at least once) but for whatever reason he chose to take it personally. Instead of admitting it was a rough day and asking for help, he spent the rest of the day bullying the only person who was there to help him until he was no longer able.
Nice video, but adding a map with the flightpath would be very useful (maybe by overlaping all, the standard and approved approach, the one they they planned and the one that actually happened).
"Terrain Ahead! Pull Up! Terrain Ahead! Pull Up! Terrain Ahead! Pull Up! " My guts are in knots as I wait for the captain to follow these simple, yet profound, suggestions. What an idiot!
"Pride comes before destruction, and a haughty Spirit before a fall" - Proverbs 16:18 declares What a living out of this negative principle this tragic flight suffered due to the Senior Pilots intransigence ! God Almighty rest all those Souls, in Jesus name...
We need leadership that is both confident AND humble. There is a reason there are two pilots in the cockpit. This is it. Cockpit Resource Management is not on the control panel. It is inside the heads of the pilots.
Do you realize not every viewer of this channel is not a Sully like you. I doubt if Sully were here, he would be so hip and cool as you. using aircraft acronyms. He would understand as smart as he is, he would not try to show up others using terms like CVR,CRM, GA. EFB, TOGA, FO. But you are not him you need to prove what you know. That type of person is known as a know it all or smart ass.
I think that the captain was lacking in a lot of skills and relied on his sign to guide him to a certain pattern, with bad weather he couldn't use his skills that disguised his bad flying skills. I think testing for flying abilities should be checked at a certain age to make sure they are still skilled in different situations and eyesight, reflexes all the abilities they use for good flying because some people may be able to fly until their body is too old but some bodies may fail a lot earlier than expected. How horrible that so many innocent people lost their lives because someone was so arrogant as to not reveal their failed skill
So frustrating how avoidable this was to begin with, let alone the 30 chances they had to save the plane… damn shame A commercial pilot is one of a handful of jobs where you must go by the book to and absolute T There’s zero room for literally anything to be done outside of the established parameters. The reason for this utter precision and extreme accuracy is because these parameters were all written in blood….. If a pilot forgets or doesn’t respect this fact, he dooms himself, and worse than anything else he dooms hundreds of innocent lives who willingly put their lives in his hands. That kind of trust and respect should never ever be taken lightly. It needs to be reciprocated more so…. The nerve to play with peoples lives so nonchalantly, a bad pilot is equivalent to a corrupt police or judge… Just kills me how a 61 year old clearly experienced pilot can be so lackadaisical when in control of an acutely sophisticated machine that demands the upmost professionalism to work as intended, which is to get humans that you’re responsible for to their destination alive and unharmed… Pilots are fascinating minds, the natural traits required to be a talented successful commercial pilot are rare. It’s fascinating to me. They need to be agreeable, yet assertive and dominant They need the patience of monk yet are constantly pressured to rush You need to have above average intelligence, be logistical and safety oriented, while also being an adventurous risk taker You need to be witty and lightning fast in assessments and decision making when suddenly thrusted into a frighteningly paralyzing scenario They must be confident yet humble They must live a very structured routine and scheduled life, while also navigating the constant chaos and daily unanticipated changes that come with the job They have to naturally be born with multiple sets of opposing traits, that all collectively work in harmony, rather than oppose…. Hahahaha Cool stuff😎✌️🤘❤️💯 I’m def an aviation enthusiast ✌️ I’m also just intrigued by the human mind and psychology, I think part of my obsession with aviation is the aviators as well 😎✌️ Thanks for reading my novel! Hahaha❤️🤘😎💯✌️
To say that the captain was unprofessional and egotistical was an understatement. This crash did not need to happen at all. When he said, "Let him say whatever he wants to say," I felt my stomach churn.
Yeah, ATC doesn't exist just to be a pain in the butt for pilots...
2:10 There is more than one meaning to the word "terminal" . It describes a situation which ends in death.
The level of incompetence and arrogance in this captain is astounding. How did he not kill hundreds of people long before this event?
Its Pakistan, they have a very different culture to the west. Let them crash, they might learn a lesson!
There is a story of a B727 freighter on a night flight into a Pacific island. The captain ordered the first officer to set an altitude that was below the lowest safe altitude for the aircraft's path. The first officer questioned the order and was told to do what he was told. The first officer tried to reason with the captain without success until he removed the crash axe from its bracket and threatened the captain that he would use it if the correct altitude was not set. The captain complied.
Love it!
Captain finally realized he didn't want to see his own brain matter sprayed across his flight control panel, smart man
Is that statement from the Captain on the aircraft's digital voice recorder AND the N.T.S.B. final report? because I'd LOVE to hear that one.
Totally understand. It's a fight for your life after all
@@johnparish1432 I'd love the details too.
When I was the old experienced Captain part of my job was to mentor new pilots to the airline world, not belittle them.
@Kevin what would you think the captains reaction would've been to the co-pilot actually taking charge and taking control of the aircraft? would he have fought him on the control stick so neither of their inputs would have helped this flight??
@@anthonymichalski9015 Well based from the reports available to the public I would think any insubordination would be met with resistance. To my knowledge the Airbus left seat flight controls override the right seat. Unfortunately the first officer was too passive and the crew had too many mistakes to overcome. At the first aural terrain warning if a hard climb to a safe altitude would have been executed they would have had a chance to start over but it seems the Captain was stuck with the improper procedure. I flew in that region quite a bit from '03 to '14.
Exactly, Kevin, this old experienced ER doc feels the same way
The level of incompetence and arrogance in this captain is astounding. How did he not kill hundreds of people long before this event?
@@jensnobel5843, that's okay. The ones that can't make it as pilots immigrate to the US to drive semi trucks. You should see the mess some of them get into.
Wisdom comes with age. With this captain, age came alone.
Mandatory retirement exists for a reason. Losing your mind is scary and can easily cause someone to lash out, as I think we're witnessing first-hand here in America.
@@joez.2794 They are thinking of raising age to 67 due to pilot shortage in USA.
@@joez.2794 : That's OK, Trump isn't the President anymore.
Sometimes age is just an indication that the person is a fool for a longer time than the others
@@timonsolus We need it now a LOT more than we needed it then.
In the dozens of Allec’s videos I have watched, this may be the all time record high number of mistakes and bad decisions by a pilot. Wow. And even if the First Officer was more assertive, I get the feeling the Captain would have just ignored him anyway, the way he ignored everything and everyone else. Sad.
This is not the worse case of an authoritarian Captain in command making many mistakes, of course there are no official ranking for such cases🤔. If you have access to Disney+ they own the NatGeo series air crash investigations, you will see many cases of 1st officers that “prefers to die” instead of challenging the authority of the captain! Than they will talk about Crew Resources Management training, until the next a**hole that happens to be in command screws up and nobody dares to challenge him!
I have now seen dozens of Allec's reconstructions, and I think this one may be the most frustrating of them all to watch. "Terrain: pull up!" plays for a large fraction of the video, and yet the flight crew did nothing.
My next-door neighbor's late husband was a (retired) career pilot for Qantas, and his advice was: "Only fly with airlines you've heard of from a lot of sources."
@@ScrewFlanders I would add to his excellent advice: "unless those many sources are air crash reconstructions showing how shit they are".
I thought this video was originally made in 2011
In that case, the much younger, ex-military FO should've began punching the captain in the side of the head until he was either submissive, or unconscious.
Yet more proof that the number of flight hours doesn't matter. Being lucky for 25,000 hours is this captain's only real achievement.
It sounds as if the captain was past it, knew deep down that he was failing, tried to cover his growing inadequacies with bluster, but then they pitched him into a black hole of panic
I agree. He did have 25k or so hours, but it sounds like he knew he had made previous bad decisions or forgetful errors on flights and turned his uncetainty against his younger ex military FO to reinstate his own self confidence. I'm 63 and that's probably jibber jabber, but if he would have behaved courteously and respectfully to the FO from the start he possibly wouldn't have gone in to self denial and instead listened to the controller and FO. Not confirming HDG mode by pulling it confirms he was in meltdown, but too arrogant to ask for help.
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@Redlined997 C2S absolutely, Allec has the best, informative, aviation channel on UA-cam!!! It's just so sad the first officer didn't make more of an uproar and help gain control of the aircraft. Such a shame the captain had to be such an ass and then create the ultimate mistake on the same flight
Seems a case of "I'm better than you ", even when things go wrong.
I feel sorry for the First Officer and all he passengers. Even the Captain, I feel sorry for.
Thanks Allec.
We’ve all had a boss like this captain. The main difference is, we walked away from those toxic bosses. This boss took everyone down with him.
I wonder if the Captain was having a *_silent stroke_*.
It seems odd that he could have so many flight time hours with anything close to that kind of behavior.
You would think self preservation would kick in and make the First Officer take over in the "Terrain Ahead! Pull Up!" warnings.
Yes, and WHY would he twice point the nose down? He didn't need to gain airspeed.
That was my read as well. His behavior suggests an early dementia of some sort that was not recognized. Coupled with a cultural need for dominance, it was a recipe for the resulting disaster. Better and more frequent neurology consultations may be needed worldwide. .
Don’t make excuses for this narcissist.
@@cockerhamsands Not “excuses”, but possible explanation. For all we know, he was an ass all along, but his previous misbehavior was glossed over by management. If a new or unusual behavior, though, my observation still holds. I’ve seen many patients with behavior changes that were caused by such. Even without alcohol or other drugs.
@@cockerhamsands Narcissism is one thing, suicidal/homicidal tendencies are another.
That captain must have been one mean S.O.B. to intimidate a first officer who had flown F-16s. Was bracing myself for the crash sound for the whole approach to Islamabad.
Any chance that the official cause of the crash is “asshole captain”?
My guess is he had prior knowledge and desired to "take him down a peg or two" because he was intimidated.
Cultural and personal asshole sensibilities. That's what caused this crash.
easily one of the more shocking cases you've covered over the years, this captain was abhorrent
Even if the plane survived, i'm gonna throw my punch to the captain's face.
Lol, that's the visual I kept having too. The FO punching the captain and taking control of the plane.
Silent stroke yes indeed, I wanna believe that cause nothing else makes sense
This 'Captain' should not have been in charge of a bus let alone a commercial passenger aircraft. The appalling intimidation of his first officer from the get go set the scene for the disaster to follow the series of incompetent actions of the pilot flying.
The poor first officer knew they were in trouble but felt so battered he couldn't do anything to stop the Captain flying into terrain.
It's easy to have 20-20 hindsight at this point. However, had that been my rearend in the copilot seat, at the moment the pilot started acting erratic during approach, he would have gotten two choices. Either relinquish control of the aircraft to me, or get knocked out. I know that sounds radical, but my desire for self preservation and saving all of those on board, would have been foremost over all other concerns. I.e. There comes a time when proper procedure must go out the window, and the commander as well if deemed necessary.
@@stargazer5784 You are very correct. In a proper CRM environment, the FO would say 'I have control' and the Captain should recognize his erratic or erroneous behavior for the FO to have taken such action.
In this case engaging in a physical assault may have helped get control back to the FO or it may have resulted in an out of control fight (given the Captain's behavior up to then) leaving the aircraft without anyone in control.
The F/O failed to man up. He let the arrogant fart of that Captain to continue to do mistake upon mistake. Obviously there was no CRM in the cockpit.
Unfortunate that this Captain was not flagged for his attitude earlier in his career. These guys have no place in a cockpit.
It is hard to believe that this was the first example of the Captain's behavior. If I am right, this issue should have been addressed prior to this flight and the passengers lives would have been saved.
as a Pakistani this is a such a embarrassing incident, a case of a egotistical brat who thought he was superior to everyone else and degrading others at his expense, weather was a factor as well but the chemistry between both pilots in terms of communication wasn't there thus resulting in the worst
@Asad Kamran, no need for embarrassment. There are arrogant-but-incompetent jerks on every continent, in every nation & culture. It’s tragic that many of them seem to end up being responsible for other people’s lives.
I find it amazing that the verbal abuse happened at all. The FO was a former F-16 pilot. Talk about chutzpah
This case is just like the PIA 8303 flight. The Captain has a know it all attitude and no humility. Maybe that's why Pakistani airlines were often banned from flying into European airspace after these disasters because of the incompetence, attitude and lack of CRM in the cockpit.
It’s terrible that the first officer, flight attendants and passengers were killied
I flew for a major airline for over thirty years and watching this video makes me shake my head in disbelief. I flew with a couple of pilots over the years I had second thoughts about but never like this Captain. Your videos are very informative, it would be a good idea for airlines to show some during annual training.
If only there were a system to warn them of terrain ahead and which told the pilots to "pull up"..
well, the pilot clearly needed more than just a verbal warning...
I thought I heard repeated computer verbal warnings: “Terrain ahead…” (paraphrased)
I can't fold to a punk, Ive had my butt kicked because of that trait. When I was a kid the cool kids were spitting on a guy in the crew, I got my butt kicked but they weren't spitting on him.
Because they were spitting on you now?
@@joez.2794 absolutely while kicking me on the ground. No stomping, those were more civilized than the current crop of creaton.
Great work again!
How tragic that one person's arrogance -- covering up his own inadequacies and fears -- can lead to the deaths of so many innocent people. You also have to fault the airline for hiring a pilot like that, for not having policies and procedures that would detect folks like this (you know this could not have been first time he'd acted this way, nor was this copilot the only one he'd treated in this manner -- nor the first time he'd demonstrated a non-compliance attitude towards established procedures. The airline SHOULD have established a "corporate culture" where FO's and others could report such behaviors, without threat of reprisal, and such complaints investigated and dealt with.
So often with incidents like this there's a chain of events, a set of things that have to link together to cause the accident, and if any of those links are removed, the accident would never have happened. This pilot should have never been allowed to be become a captain, and probably, given his non-compliance attitude, had his license suspended or revoked a long time before this.
Half the video was automated terrain warnings. Dear goodness...
It takes a whole lot of moxie to become an F-16 pilot it's a shame the co-pilot did not maintain that
Captain: I know more than you.
Also Captain: wHy WoNt It TuRn
This "accident" goes way further than very sad. 😢 I understand how the copilot felt but he should have taken control. I've never been one to keep my mouth shut when I knew better & that included doctors. I'm a retired RN. A wishy-washy pilot with hundreds of people he was responsible for...all dead.
I agree, I would never shut up myself, but we have to account for the difference in culture. When he has grown up in a culture, that requires him to not just respect his elders, but to always follow their orders, it becomes difficult.
There were many of that kind of avoidable accidents in especially Korean airlines due to that culture, they had to make a very targeted training of their pilots to get out of that thinking. And it wasnt that many decades ago, that it was the same in Western cockpits, that was a part of why CRM was invented.
@@dfuher968 Also the fact that the First Officer was former military might have reinforced the "obey orders" frame of mind.
from an entirely different culture than you. probably impossible to understand unless you had been raised in their world.
@@brians9508 "...been raised in their world". I'm 70 years old. I was raised during a time when women were 2nd class citizens. If you became pregnant, there goes your job. Women made less money (and still do) than men for the same employment. Men were head of the house according to the IRS & religions, even when women brought home an income that could be greater than her husband's. Society, at that time, quietly thought women should defer to men in every aspect. The women of my generation fought against these chains, just like our mothers & grandmothers did. Societies can not grow & change for the better under such conditions. You guys in this thread are excusing this copilot's actions when there isn't any excuse. Why don't you guys tell the families of the killed your theories/excuses & see WTF they have to say about it. 🤨
@@brians9508 This has happened in the West as well, but was addressed much earlier. When you see a browbeaten crew like this, part of his thinking is, “one word from this guy and my career is over.”
The first officer is to blame as well. Being afraid to be yelled at because of how you were treated before is no excuse
objectively, yes. But if you consider how the culture of where he lives affects his behaviour as well, the blame solely lies with the Captain
i agree
Unbelievable and sad to see! Great reconstruction, Allec!
Hey Allec, great job again! Another lesson learned for all of us.
Unfortunately for the young F/O he could not leave the cockpit. That´s what we would do with a grumpy old selfish guy, leave him alone. But the work on the flightdeck is different, you can´t leave the old man in charge alone, you need to block his inputs and take over the control and if there would be a third person involved, this person would have to shut up the captain or better relieve him from duty right away. Too bad this usually does not happen.
From my POV it started with the captains confusion of the destination they are flying to. And during the process of disregarding the 'sterile cockpit' rule, he showed himself as not reliable.
Besides all the obvious causes of this tragedy, the over-reliance on using the autopilot to control the aircraft’s movements played a significant role in this and other videos I’ve watched. It seems many commercial pilots forget how and WHEN to retake manual control instead of wondering why the aircraft is not automatically behaving as expected. After the first couple of audible warnings, the Captain should have disabled all the automation and hand-flown the plane.
How to hand fly an airplane if you don't know where you are....
I know hindsight is 20/20, but dang... I wish the FO had taken side stick priority, gotten them out of that mess, and found a way to put her down safely. Let the Captain's actions bury his career. Too many innocent people didn't have to die.The FO seemed to be the only person in that cockpit who had situational awareness.
So sad. One overconfident pilot killed all those people. Shows that 25K+ flight hours can't cure stupidity. He violated about every protocol in the book. May the dead rest in peace. Great video, Allec, thanks. You're putting out a lot these days... awesome...
I just don't understand how someone can sit there and just let that happen! I'd knock that fool out and give myself a fighting chance of saving that plane. It's baffling that some people would just let the stupidity continue.
In this case, besides an aviation culture that was deficient on the part of the captain, there was also an obvious social culture at work here, that values a hierarchy above all other considerations.
It's their masochistic culture. They let senior assholes dominate out of respect even if it means screwing oneself up. PIA flight 8303 is another example.
It's bad enough when your ego gets you killed but when you take people with you it's just inexcusable. Unfortunately most of us have worked for or with folks just like this.
Thank you Allec for another informative post with the worst possible outcome. I’m not sure how anyone could have taken over control of the flight from a lost, confused, arrogant button pushing captain. He certainly beat every possible safety measure and precaution.
A hastily delivered knuckle sandwich would have solved the problem.
@@stargazer5784 Desperate measures justified by the terrain warnings, for sure! Why did the captain fly nose down at that time?
I felt really anguished during all the moments prior to the crash... couldn't believe the captain's attitude, and felt totally awful for the first officer, who warned several times to the captain of the proximity to terrain. Really, really sad accident. RIP everyone onboard 🙏🏼
Great work Allec! 👍🏼
If I was the first officer I would respond to every smart ass comment with "how many F-16s have you flown cappy?"
I was thinking exactly that. It takes a lot of training and confidence to fly an F16. If I could do that I wouldn't let a stupid old confused captain run me into the ground.
@@rickrichardson8891 I know it's a different culture but I would never be talked down by a civilian if I had served in the military
Great video! Just to clarify, on the A320, pulling the Heading knob will activate the heading mode. Pushing on the same knob will activate the NAV mode (there will be a dashed line and a dot in the heading window). The NAV switch only changes the Navigation Display (ND) and does not affect the flight path. Well done!
yes, and the nav mode doesn't activate if the plane is not heading to intercept the flight path, in that case, the pilot needs to activate hdg trk and then intercept the flight path manually or use the direct-to function.
I still remember that day. We lost one of our school teacher in that crash.
Clearly the captain wasn't a believer in teamwork.
There are old pilots, there are bold pilots. There are NO old and bold pilots.
There's a few similarities between this flight and Northwest Airlink 5719, which crashed in Hibbing Minnesota in the 1990's. That would be really cool if Alec did that one, it's very interesting.
I know the crash well as I used to live in Hibbing and fly into there with my plane occasionally
Hope all is well for you young Sir. Fly High and Safe. Always be that calm Fighter Pilot on a roller coaster.
CRM= Crew Resource Management would have helped in this situation 😒❌. The US government FAA mandated this because of similar stuff years ago.
Excellent video! When people treat me like that Captain treated the FO, they are considered enemies and no longer respected. I feel bad for the FO and the passengers, but not the Captain.
I've learned with many of these people, all you have to do is stand up to them one time, and they'll never treat you like that again. Though that's easier said than done when the person is in a position to fire you or make your life a living hell at work.
@@joez.2794 it doesn't always work.
Do you realize not every viewer of this channel is not a Sully like you. I doubt if Sully were here, he would be so hip and cool as you. using aircraft acronyms. He would understand as smart as he is, he would not try to show up others using terms like CVR,CRM, GA. EFB, TOGA, FO. But you are not him you need to prove what you know.
That type of person is known as a know it all or smart ass.
@@LegendaryRadioJock You are correct, it doesn't always work but it may work some of the time.
Learned nothing from 25K of flying time.
Losing your mind is tough. Mandatory retirement exists.
Another incident where a high hour captain is actually a liability. Pilot hours seem to be subject to the law of diminishing returns - inexperience leads to mistakes, which are avoided with experience, but too much experience leads back to carelessness and mistakes.
As a lay person, it seems completely insane to nose down when you have terrain warnings and the plane commanding you to "pull up!" 50 or so times.
Another fascinating video Allec. Excellent work as we've come to expect. Well done
Often times bullying and belittling others is a sign of feelings of inadequacy... my thoughts are that this “Captain” used intimidation to bolster his ego because he was declining and knew it. It was to everyone’s detriment that he had wiped clean any confidence the first officer had.
Bless and keep all who died unnecessarily that sad day. 🙏😔
Submissive to the point of letting him fly you and all the passengers straight into the ground? That’s beyond.
This captain for all his flight time and experience seemed to know very little about how the instruments on the Airbus worked, he didn't know the difference between HDG & NAV mode and his arrogance killed hundreds of people, the first officer should have taken over, that captain was an accident waiting to happen.
Excellent job as always Allec 👏
It would seem to me that the captain was in the early stage of dementia as he seemed confused to what should have been a routine maneuver. .
I believe that the captain attempted to establish absolute dominance of the flight early in the flight by asking his co-pilot questions that the captain figured that the co-pilot could not answer thereby putting doubt in the co-pilots head making it easier for the captain to have his way on the flight deck. This could be due to the captains doubts about himself. 61 years old is pushing the envelope for handling complicated approaches which this approach certainly was.
A dinosaur who ate so many souls. I thought only humans are allowed to fly a plane.
Sometimes, " STFU you grumpy old squid", can save a plane. 🤤
Pull Up warning - (Pilot Flying) Disconnect autopilot, Pitch up using full back stick, Disregard flight directors, TOGA power, Ensure speedbrakes are retracted, Level the wings. (Pilot Monitoring) Verify max thrust, Verify all required actions have been completed and call out any omissions, Verify speedbrakes are retracted. Also he was more than twice the distance out on the circling approach!
I've been flying for over 33 years as an airline pilot and almost without fail, the arrogant condescending captains are trying to make up for their lack of skill. Doesn't matter if I'm flying with a newbie or a seasoned f/o, I treat them all with respect. Some guys just have to make an easy job hard.
Full back sidestick is another disaster in the making.
@@edwardrichardson5567 Not on an Airbus my good man. Procedure is spelled out clearly in the QRH and it calls for full back stick - as long as one is in normal law the aircraft will not stall.
We all fly with Allec ♥️
Making the first officer shut up ahead of time and then doing all of these incredibly stupid mistakes tells me that the captain wanted to crash the plane, but if anyone knew he did it deliberately he probably wouldn't get a life insurance payout, a pass into heaven, or whatever the hell he convinced himself he'd get. The most dangerous crazy people are the ones who know how to keep their intentions hidden.
Thanks for all your hard work! 🥰
I find myself thinking this could not have been the first and only time this Captain had taken this kind of attitude with his First Officer and regarding the flight in general. Something tells me this was probably common for him and the flight deck should never ever have Captains with attitudes like this and it should never have First Officers too afraid to speak out and take command of actually flying the plane if need be. Both Pilots are responsible for that flight and all persons on board and you cannot have a cockpit with an environment like this. This tragedy was so avoidable. Appreciated the video Mr. Allec.
Like The Flight Channel, no narrative!
Haven't watched you in a while, Bravo!
God damn it. I shudder to think of how many other pilots think like this.
Sorry but how can you make a nosedown move while the computer is warning you of the "low terrain"?
RIP to everyone, excluding that idiotic man in the cockpit.
This kind of reminds me of the case of N452DA. Mindboggling.
How many times incompetent people belittled competent people so that they could feel better about themselves?
How many fish are there in the sea?
Kinda hard to believe this captain had managed to log 25,000 hours.
I have a lot of respect for this channel and the fact that that it hasn't resorted to the same use of idiotic mis-titling and overdramatic keywaords and thumbnails as so many other channels. Just does it's own thing and long may it continue.
You do a cracking good job on these vids, well done.
Mentor Pilot has done a technical explanation of this incident.
Without mentioning the crew.
Incredible graphics! Thanks so much for the detailed video Alec.
This is one of the saddest ones yet on this channel. What a terrible set of circumstances, and it's mostly due to a prick of a pilot who had a hard on for a young FO and wanted to show his authority that morning.
Sounds like it should have been the FO questioning the captain's ability instead of the other way around. And I think at some point while the captain kept ignoring the terrain warnings, I'd have taking the stick and flown it manually. just to keep from crashing, regardless of how the captain treated me earlier.
Do you realize not every viewer of this channel is not a Sully like you. I doubt if Sully were here, he would be so hip and cool as you. using aircraft acronyms. He would understand as smart as he is, he would not try to show up others using terms like CVR,CRM, GA. EFB, TOGA, FO. But you are not him you need to prove what you know.
That type of person is known as a know it all or smart ass.
@@Capecodham Who pissed in your cheerios?
@@dx1450 Generally you can skip the first 3 minutes, no one cares who the flight crew was, the time on the ground before take off and most of the bs in the first three minutes.
Excellent work on the video as usual! Thank you Allec!
Plane:
“Pull up” - 28X
Captain:
“Don’t tell me what to do” -28X
Wisdom chased this Captain, but he was always faster.
This captain's problems actually began on the ground when he confused the arrival and departure airports and entered the wrong flight plan. Seems like a simple enough mistake (that most pilots will probably admit having made at least once) but for whatever reason he chose to take it personally. Instead of admitting it was a rough day and asking for help, he spent the rest of the day bullying the only person who was there to help him until he was no longer able.
Early signs of dementia.
The captain's ego was threatened by the F16 pilot, hence the need to put him down and prove something to the F16 pilot.
Excellent work!
It appeared that the captain did not have a clue what he was doing or even competant enough to fly.
When lives are at stake, you can be sure I am going to speak up take action. The pilot can call me out when we land, but at least we will be alive
Nice video, but adding a map with the flightpath would be very useful (maybe by overlaping all, the standard and approved approach, the one they they planned and the one that actually happened).
"Terrain Ahead! Pull Up! Terrain Ahead! Pull Up! Terrain Ahead! Pull Up! " My guts are in knots as I wait for the captain to follow these simple, yet profound, suggestions. What an idiot!
The captain was a jerk
Nice job for making the crash look realistic a bit but the graphics needs to be high but keep up the good work I am your biggest fan
"Pride comes before destruction, and a haughty Spirit before a fall"
- Proverbs 16:18 declares
What a living out of this negative principle this tragic flight suffered due to the Senior Pilots intransigence !
God Almighty rest all those Souls, in Jesus name...
Well done, Allec!
reminds me of that 1992 tu-134 crash for whatever reason
We need leadership that is both confident AND humble. There is a reason there are two pilots in the cockpit. This is it.
Cockpit Resource Management is not on the control panel. It is inside the heads of the pilots.
Arrogant Pilot | Airblue Flight 202
There. Did I beat the dumb bot?
How do you know he turned the heading dial without looking at it?
I have viewed this before, possibly on your Channel. Is this a repeat?
Great post as always. RIP to all. Sadly, this can be used in training situations.
No CRM. Instead of this big guy sitting in the left seat. R.I.P. to all the passengers, cabincrew and the first officer.
Do you realize not every viewer of this channel is not a Sully like you. I doubt if Sully were here, he would be so hip and cool as you. using aircraft acronyms. He would understand as smart as he is, he would not try to show up others using terms like CVR,CRM, GA. EFB, TOGA, FO. But you are not him you need to prove what you know.
That type of person is known as a know it all or smart ass.
every captain that shows any signs as the one is this story needs and must be grounded.
I think that the captain was lacking in a lot of skills and relied on his sign to guide him to a certain pattern, with bad weather he couldn't use his skills that disguised his bad flying skills. I think testing for flying abilities should be checked at a certain age to make sure they are still skilled in different situations and eyesight, reflexes all the abilities they use for good flying because some people may be able to fly until their body is too old but some bodies may fail a lot earlier than expected. How horrible that so many innocent people lost their lives because someone was so arrogant as to not reveal their failed skill
Was the aircraft repaired and returned to service?
You would need a lot of glue to repair that burning hulk.
the plane disintegrated on impact
no survivors.
So frustrating how avoidable this was to begin with, let alone the 30 chances they had to save the plane… damn shame
A commercial pilot is one of a handful of jobs where you must go by the book to and absolute T
There’s zero room for literally anything to be done outside of the established parameters.
The reason for this utter precision and extreme accuracy is because these parameters were all written in blood…..
If a pilot forgets or doesn’t respect this fact, he dooms himself, and worse than anything else he dooms hundreds of innocent lives who willingly put their lives in his hands.
That kind of trust and respect should never ever be taken lightly. It needs to be reciprocated more so….
The nerve to play with peoples lives so nonchalantly, a bad pilot is equivalent to a corrupt police or judge…
Just kills me how a 61 year old clearly experienced pilot can be so lackadaisical when in control of an acutely sophisticated machine that demands the upmost professionalism to work as intended, which is to get humans that you’re responsible for to their destination alive and unharmed…
Pilots are fascinating minds, the natural traits required to be a talented successful commercial pilot are rare. It’s fascinating to me.
They need to be agreeable, yet assertive and dominant
They need the patience of monk yet are constantly pressured to rush
You need to have above average intelligence, be logistical and safety oriented, while also being an adventurous risk taker
You need to be witty and lightning fast in assessments and decision making when suddenly thrusted into a frighteningly paralyzing scenario
They must be confident yet humble
They must live a very structured routine and scheduled life, while also navigating the constant chaos and daily unanticipated changes that come with the job
They have to naturally be born with multiple sets of opposing traits, that all collectively work in harmony, rather than oppose…. Hahahaha
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I’m def an aviation enthusiast ✌️
I’m also just intrigued by the human mind and psychology, I think part of my obsession with aviation is the aviators as well 😎✌️
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That was a total shit show for a captain with 25,000 hours