Metal Refining & Recovery, Episode 25: Gold Playing Cards?
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- Опубліковано 18 лип 2018
- I see if I can recover gold from some gold coated playing cards.
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Time to make your own Gold playing card
probably out of pure 24k gold
"You can't just dissolve the cards because you're losing Cody!"
I thought cody was making his own playing card out of gold.
Austin Christmas Underrated comment👍😂
Austin Christmas or 16 k
Wonder if the 'Certificate of Authenticity" was the only card plated in gold...
Da Hai Zhu if he included that card in the x-ray test then no. But no way of knowing if he had it in the pack or not.
I did test that card and got the same negative result.
I was thinking the same.
Same for box?
I was immediately suspicious when it said "Laboratory Report" but didn't have the name of a specific laboratory. The report # is probably identical for each pack -- a quick way to spot fakes.
Edit: Just looked up some online and both the cheap ones and the $80 ones have photos showing the same report #. Makes me wonder if there was ever a legitimate product with this design.
Cody said the picture of the 100 dollar bill looked ugly right when I was thinking the same thing
Ugly is a understatement
Hey Old Ben might not be up to modern standards of beauty but he was quite the ladies man back in the day.
Is chinesium dude chinesium
Jason Pollywog really really ugly
@@frank_texas7400 Tf is Chinesium
Just fyi that hand-held xrf analyzer is like 40 grand. I want one. Those are sweet.
Dimension7 Damn, you could buy a Mercedes for that kind if money. Interesting how Cody bought that machine instead
I looked up that model on eBay and there are a few for sale in the 15-20k range (used). I would hope he paid more in that range than the MSRP. Still crazy expensive for something handheld though.
It's such a cool tool though Cody probably has had more fun with that than any car.
Don't drop it
Yeah, I'd love to have it, but tbh i would rather have his glassware collection first. Hirsch funnels, glass stills, ahhhh, i want it all
EDIT: *SPOILER ALERT!* Sorry guys, didn't expect this to be at the top of the comments!
Well, if it's not gold, at least the cards look really nice, and now we know they're pretty dang resistant, so at least he can keep them for fun!
Plus, even though nothing was refined, this really was an interesting video to watch. It's always good to see how to know things aren't going right!
Although it's terrible to know that company straight-up lied, I hope people get in touch with them about fraudulency!
Micah Philson he could ask them for a labreport.
Micah Philson Most likely a Chinese company and notning will happen.
cool thanks mate don’t have to watch the rest of the video 👍
Spoiler alert 😭😭😭
I still wouldn't mind throwing $10-15 at those fakes, if not for the stupid back.
William Shreckengost there are paper decks that sell for that price anyways. No need for the company to be shady about it when they already have a good product.
Its like, what were they thinking
There are other ones with different backs. I got a set that had a back design similar to the diamond pattern on the case
+M B I've got those too, cost around $4 if you get them from aliexpress. Very nice looking but a little slippery
This is my new name, That was my thought exactly! These are really nice (and clearly VERY resistant!) cards, I would love them in my collection just because they look great, but if anything, this video proves that if you get them at a decent price, they're very functional as well!
Plus, knowing it's not real gold makes you not afraid of wear and tear!
All good points here. Thanks for the tip on the alternate backs, btw. I think I'll go ahead and grab one after all (seeing $3.40 for a lattice back), as they're clearly resistant to fluid ingress, and friends might mistakenly assume that I'm just some sort of turbo-baller with real gold playing cards.
nice video, and you exposed a fake company in the process. I hope someone uses your video to take action against that company if possible. its not right for them to be allowed to trick people into buying that crap even if it was cheap, they still think its real gold.
yup...
Probably a Chinese company, not much we can do about that. You should see some of the other fakes made in China.
They might be able to get away with it if there's an amount of gold in the cards so small it's basically undetectable, which I suspect they may have done.
Moreover, quite possibly an outright counterfeit. In this case, the name of the company printed on the cards is irrelevant since that company had nothing to do with it, and honestly they're just as upset if not more so about someone selling counterfeits of their products as we are about buying them.
Unfortunately, there's a pretty big problem with counterfeiting these sorts of products, especially if they're sold online, and yes, a lot of it is coming from China.
NewtSniper Contains at least 1 atom of 24 karot gold!
Which is probably true about every card deck ever made. If you consider that a deck of cards would have 10^21 to 10^22 atoms in it, well, that's a LOT of digits. I can't conceive of that amount of material not containing some small number of stray gold atoms as "impurities". Even what's almost certainly the most pure material known to mankind, chip grade silicon, is only pure out to 12 nines or so, meaning you have 10 digits left to work with, so if those impurities contain at least 1 part in 10 billion being gold, you would expect a deck of cards sized piece of chip grade silicon to contain at least one atom of gold.
Man Cody, I love watching you think your way through things! Do you think we could get a Basic Chemistry series?
I hope the next Cody’s Blab video is of you calling the manufacturer for an explanation, haha.
I hope to see this happen
id watch that off principal alone, that is all
In the next video:
*Puts his arm shoulder deep in a barrel of aquarega"
"Is this your card?"
The mining and refining videos are your best.
the certificate doesn't have a lab name or a Certificate Authority, where can you verify the number?
Thomas Richter nowhere, because it's not a genuine certificate.
that's my point, It should be the first thing to test...
You really expect something that elaborate? Your the type of person who buys that crap on Amazon and gives it a bad review because it's crap...... Never could understand those people. "I bought a $20 knock-off Apple Watch and it's not exactly like the real Apple Watch!" "1 star!!!"
@@dphorgan Don't you think that's a bit harsh? "I know you're just thinking out loud about ways to authenticate this product, but no, I'm going to accuse you of being a naive idiot who ruins everything for everyone!"
This is my favorite series other than the mining series please do more of these
i love your videos beacuase their educational and the refining series is my favorite series of videos!
Always a fun visit Cody. Thanks a bunch.
What I appreciate about your videos is that you're not just some kind of gold-crazed prospector, you're genuinely interested in the chemicals and processes over all.
I thought you were going to make gold playing cards for a second and I thought "wow cody is this really the best use of your resources?"
yes please
Doing a time lapse on a giant clock is a really great idea
Omg I was just rewatching this series last night because I love the series so much
fiat printed on fake gold. actual meme
BIGGS WHAT THE FUCK
LMAO CANT BELIEVE I SAW THIS HOW YOU BEEN BROTHER
chillen bro
That’s hilarious! It’s all a scam, fake gold and fiat
cryptocurrencies
Cool
I'm going back to school at USU Uintah basin for a chemistry degree. You've inspired me Cody
Got to love how USU has campuses all over UT
Gold leaf in iodine solution: Mr. Cody, I don't feel so good.
Thank you for doing the gold leaf experiment again for the time lapse, shows ya dedicated mate! Keep up the great work!
Cody, huge fan. You inspired me to start keeping bees this season, and I love your videos about refining -- mainly for the chemistry. I would love to see some videos about how to produce basic chemical reactants from natural or readily available materials. For example, making your own nitric acid, or recovering elemental sulphur from ore, or the iodine from sea kelp. Thanks for the videos!
Love these gold videos
I love the refining series almost as much as the beekeeping videos!
Well, at least one prayer was answered, let's hope he goes back to the other series as well!
If they wanted to make gold plated cards that you could actually play a game with more than once without destroying them, the gold layer would certainly have to be beneath something.
If I had to guess, I'd assume they're using something like PETE, which is the type of plastic soft drink bottles are made of. One of its propertities (which is probably very relevant to being food safe, actually) is that it's pretty innert and most common organic solvents (such as your paint thinner) won't touch it. Even with solvents that DO work (DCM seems to be a common recommendation. More specifically to PET family plastics, phenols, as well as DMSO and nitrobenzene), you will probably have to heat it up close to the solvent's boiling point and then wait a few hours.
Keldor314 thanks for that. It probably explains why I met with disaster trying to get the coating off a beer can. The solvents and paint stripper I tried had no effect. I tried burning it off with an ordinary butane/propane torch and the aluminium melted. Looks like I'll need to spend hours with fine emery.
Thank you cody for that video, I appreciated the expert hands on chemistry you did there. As well as the homework, I'll get back to you on that.
As an aspiring chemist, I love ypur videos Cody and have been watching for a long time. Another fantastic video.
Wow that is a shitty scam. Time to test the old gold plated pokemon cards from mcd's or bk whatever it was back in the day.
Angel Bunny don't touch the Pokemon cards
well, you dont have to touch them, xray seems to be enough. Still wouldnt consider a scam though as you couldnt really gold plate 52 playing cards with 24K gold for 5 bucks. If the 80 dollar one was fake aswell, that would indeed be a scam.
Chuckiele it shouldn’t have a certificate of authenticity if it is fake.
well the certificate was obviously fake too...
I have two I think. At least one. I'll gladly donate them to you Cody if you happen to read this.
"For reasons which, are too complicated to explain right now"
Basically, he's saying we're all intellectually inferior.
or that its just a chore to explain.... which is true rather you can grasp the explanation or not.
The easiest way to explain it requires a knowledge 0f Square Dancing...
Rekt Excalibur He just doesn't feel like cutting to a previous vid.
I have an idea of the reasons and i can confirm you that it would have taken a whole on itself to be explained
what does inferior mean ?
im happy for you that you are getting so many views:) been here for bout 2-3 years. keep it up
always enjoy your vids Cody. nice work
alarm bells ring for me when i saw the plastic as not many elements can be plated to plastic and gold is one of them as plastic cant conduct the current needed for electrolisis.
Stoned Savage!
The thought is that it was gold foil not gold plated, gold foil is essentially extremely thin sheets of gold that can be glued to a surface.
Not to mention it was $6.60ish for a deck of cards. That gives it away.
A lot of the time you start a process like this with electroless deposition of metal to deposit a thin seed layer. Then move on to electrodeposition. That's how you get those shiny chrome plated plastics.
You could deposit gold by RF sputtering
They might have been plated using the same method that they use to apply the metal layer to CDs.
Heck yea! he's back!
He never left?
just assumed that the ranch fire would delay him, but I was wrong
Thank you for still showing the true reaction after the cards failed to yield anything. Golds not cheap and I hope you can recover as much as you can. I really love your channels and I hope you never stop doing what you're doing.
Awesome video... Always love your videos Cody. 👍👍
What would happen if you burned the cards to see of there were any metals left?
Maybe they were copper plated first then a super thin layer of zinc. Zinc plated onto copper is known to actually alloy with it on the surface creating a nice shiny golden brass. Ask nurdrage
Its most likely aluminum though
Both Cu & Zn are heavier than Al and would have been detected by the x-ray gun.
honestly this is my favorite series on your channel man.
The way the gold dissolved into pitch-black was mind blowing! I'm in awe, with my jaw on the floor
In bed. Drifting off...*DING*
CodysLab. Yeah, I am up now.
I'm just curious whether you checked that the certificate itself was gold plated? I know that it's a common tactic in the more unscrupulous sects of the leather industry to use a patch of real leather that says that it's real leather as the tag on an artificial leather jacket so that customers think the tag is referring to the whole jacket rather than just the tag itself, and something similar could've occurred here?
I really like how you change intros from video to video - music, video itself, brilliant! :)
These are some of my favorite videos that you do. That and when you actually are in your mine.
Can you try to extract the mercury from the vapors in a florescent lamp?
Iodine, uodine, we all dine for iodine!
Cody, I always enjoy the science you present. 😊
A wonderful demonstration Master Cody! I've never watched gold leaf dissolve in iodine, that was spectacular! Sorry about the cards, can't wait to see what's next!
But how it had a certificate of 'Authenticity...'
Man I hate scammers... My first concern when it failed to react right away.
I expected it as soon as I saw it.
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That was actually really sad to learn. I hope the company that's selling the fraudulent cards is taken down.
However, you still managed to make an interesting video out of it! I can't wait for more videos of this series, hopefully with legitimate materials next time. =)
Excellent video Cody 👌👍
I love these precious metal refining videos
It might just be all about the wording that is on that guarantee. It might be that the gold that is on it is 24k gold but it doesn't necessarily mean that the entire card is gold plated. what I mean by that is if you look at the crowns on the face cards they are a slightly different colour from the rest of the cards front and backs. I would check those crowns and see if they might be the only gold plated parts on those cards. Ideally thought I would recommend turning the cards to ash, and then treating the ash with a solution of AR and then testing that solution with stannous chloride to see if any precious metals are present. Or if you want to use your XRF just test the ashes prior to treating with AR.
As the cards are plastic, I imagine it would be rather messy trying to turn them to ash
No more difficult than converting black pack IC's to ash, low oxygen & high temperature.
The x-ray would have detected it if there was any gold on _any_ of the cards.
Incorrect, XRF's only detect what is on the surface or extremely minutely below the surface, also I mentioned to test the crown of the face cards as the only cards that was tested was the 6 of clubs. to test the entirety of a sample you would need to use another method like fire assay or ICP
You are correct, I'm definitely not qualified to run a $40k x-ray gun. Time to see if Amazon will cancel my order. ;)
Thank you for informing me/us.
What if the certificate of authenticity is the only thing that's actually authentic? Did you test that or only one of the actual cards?
That'd be pretty funny, and they wouldn't technically be lying. The certificate only says that there is genuine gold somewhere inside the deck, not that each card genuinely has gold.
As long as there is one atom of Au, its not a scam. Lol. Nice observation.
kurtu5 Actually, there'd have to be actual gold foil, since that's what the certificate says. It could be an incredibly small piece, but it would have to be gold foil or leaf, not just gold in general.
Not sure what the lower bound "metal leaf' has before it ceases to be 'metal leaf'. Perhaps to be considered leaf, it must first be beaten as a manufacturing step, which would distinguish it from plating. If you split it down such that you only had one atom, is it then leaf?
More likely there is a speck of leaf with quadrillions of atoms somewhere in the certificate. The cost to precisely place only one atom would be incredibly high.
He said he tested it negative in another comment
It's fraudulent no matter how you look at it. If the intent is to deceive, and the average consumer would be deceived, it's considered fraud.
That gold leaf dissolving was beautiful!
I always watch cody'slab no matter what!
The gold leaf dissolving in the iodine: Mr Stark I don't feel too good
Is it possible only the "Certificate of Authenticity" contains gold? Was that included in the x-ray test?
truthsmiles yes. He did X-Ray the certificate too at one point.
I loved the last segment with the ticking clock. Got 60 Minutes vibes.
I love your regular gold refining series, but this was far cooler. doing failure analysis and deductive reasoning within the specific realm of chemistry is greatly interesting. I would love to see you do more episodes on analytical chemistry!
How about trying to refine/recover metals from the plants around your mine? Biomining?
Or refining iron from human blo.. or ummm. no biomining sounds real neat!
Vulcanfire01 that's plant abuse though. It will get demonetized.
Do the road-dust platinum please!
Thomas Walsh he did say it was technically a valuable ore
Whut?
thank you for reviving the series
Great video! Thanks Cody!!
You inspired me to take pre ap chemistry as a sophomore
Michael Ortiz good job I should have done that too maybe I took the normal one
You should have graduated high school by now.
How did things go?
Ooops Cody you left your delivery area in the video
doesnt really help too, only narrows it down to a pretty large area, i just checked
Yeah he basically describes where it is on his videos where he takes long distance videos across the valley.
One thing is, he doesn't actually live there, his father does, and the other thing is his dad would probably shoot anyone that came by looking to hang out with Cody ;)
I was curious one day and using only his video about getting water from town I was able to find his farm on Google maps *shrug*
pretty easy to find stuff on google maps in non-forested areas.
im pretty sure i once found the house of colin furze, based on a newspaper article and his video about building a shed
Thanks for doing the time lapse on top of the clock. It showed us how long the reaction actually took.
The only solid gold cards I know of are from Mitsubishi Materials. They produced several sets of Hello Kitty themed card decks for the 33rd anniversary of Hello Kitty which were made of fine gold rolled several microns thick then covered in plastic. They also produce printed fine gold business cards, which are made of paper roll-coated in one gram of fine gold.
poor ranch
Gold Fail more like it, hehe
Great video, you sound a little demotivated or tired. I know everyone has struggles and I just want to say that your videos are always high quality and of excellent information and good science. Thank you and please keep doing what you are doing. You are adding scientifically backed up knowledge to the internet and enhancing and advancing anyone who is subscribed to your channel.
I liked this style of video a lot. I know it would be tough, but this sort of detective kind of work is quite intriguing. Even grabbing a rock sample from the mine and finding the concentration of each mineral in it using this kind of chemical reaction would be very interesting.
YAY, MORE CODY
You’re human waste man.
@@jasonthompson318 What on Earth is wrong with you?
@@General12th probably watched some his content
Those five dislikes are the people who genuinely believed in the gold cards
crims 7n , Or the people who sell them to suckers.
liek me ;'(
Enjoy all your videos. Wish I knew half the stuff you do when it comes to elements and chemical reactions.
I used to do vehicle wraps and it looks like gold vinyl wrapped over plastic. They make some incredibly metallic and lustrous gold chrome vinyls.
coincidence that episode 25 involves playing cards, because there are 25 cards in the deck!
Are you dyslexic? There are 52 playing cards in a standard deck.
no trust me i counted, i found this deck of cards at the bottom of a septic tank, and i can semi-consistently count to 25.
... there are after Cody's done with it!
Can you do a series where you refine something starting from scratch? Like you take something that needs chemicals to refine but make those chemicals from scratch using only tools and no purchased chemicals aside from water.
cool shot with the time lapse dissolve and mechanical clock
I'm a jewelry designer and love these videos ;) thanks for educating us :)
In the beginning the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
A Cat not cats though, they didn't care enough to get mad.
Does anyone know what this is a quote from?
C Lopez you have restored my faith in humanity
I can’t be sure, but this quote sounds very hitchhikers guide to the galaxy esque.
These are quite literally the first two sentences in the first book.
Are the cards heavy
well probably a little because they are plastic instead of paper
pukalo [CDN] probably not noticeable amount but yes they are in comparison to regular cards
Yeah but because of the plastic they're made on, not the gold they pretend to have.
Remember that little tiny gold bead Cody got from processing a bunch of computer parts? The amount on even legitimate gold cards would be similar to that. The weight would not be unnoticeable - we're talking matters of a single gram tops.
jeff u high go home
Yes! Cody this video made my day! Thanks man!
It could be alternating thin layers of Al2O3 and SiO2. If you choose transparent layers carefully and alternate them with the right thicknesses you can create coatings with all sorts of optical properties. Metallic looking, colour filters, AR filters etc.
Saw the notification and I was like YEEEEET
well i yoted
YEEEEEEEEEET!!
Don't yeet on a Codyslabs video lol that's like drinking moonshine at a fine wine establishment.
Wouldn't it make more sense to add the sodium hydroxide before the hydrochloric acid?
Thats like asking if it makes more sense to multiply 2 X 3 than 3 X 2.
But doesn't the acid neutralize the NaOH before it has a chance to help the iodine dissolve into the water?
It's the Na ions that help it dissolve, and the acid doesn't touch those anyway.
Cody'sLab But if the reaction is between the sodium hydroxide and iodine then it would make sense to let that happen before adding the hydrochloric acid which will consume all the sodium hydroxide.
what a lovely handheld detector! Now I need one to go playing on rocks
I really liked having the clock under the timelapse!
Hey Cody, I have a challenge - make the golden playbutton out of actual gold - but the one with the new design (I know, ridiculous, heavy, very expensive) but fun!
PancernyWiatrak he has tried this before
Zachary Mayo the old design, not the new one.
PASTIVITY why would he do that?
for them dank subs. subs are the currency of he internet, just behind the (You) in value, i believe.
I've done the math for a 2" solid sphere of gold before. That seems to be around the right order of magnitude of material needed for a solid gold play button. It was around $50k for the solid 2" sphere.
Does anyone else genitals buzz a little bit when they see a new codysLab video?
Buzz? Do you have robot genitals or something?
PantsB4Squares you may want to go to the doctor about that..
Jake Mitch no its good!
Thank god this series is back
i love the fact that you put a clock in the back of the shot on the time lapse so we know how long its actually taking !
So let me get this right... you add HCl then NaOH and you think that... nevermind.
I thought the same thing... just add NaCl?
Meh, its all the same as far as the chemistry is concerned.
I sucked at chemistry so I wouldn't know if he was doing something wrong lol.
To be fair, HCl is the only acid you'll need 90% of the time
HCl + NaOH --> H20 + NaCl
He was destroying the acid he added that the process could use in order to create Na ions when he could have just added table salt (NaCl) to begin with.
noti squad
Awesome recovery
I've purchased a number off of items off of amazon, most of them electrical connectors of various sorts and most of them have had no gold in them at all (I have access to the same XRF analyzer you have in my lab and can measure plating thickness via metallography). I posted the results in my reviews of those products and on a few other sites that sell the products and a year later have found those products are no longer available from those sites and in some cases the store no longer sells products from that manufacturer.
last.
TIL you can buy gold coated playing cards
Justin Y. Gotta be everywhere don't you just keep doing your thing
who'd have thunk?
Please, never stop commenting. I appreciate you just doing your own thing, dancing to the beat of your own drum. Sometimes I may get salty for losing top comment, but in the end, I always appreciate you.
Love you bby
I have some, I was buying for $8 NZD and selling for $40 NZD. Get into it before people see this video.
Don't you have a job?
Hey Cody,
I have watched this video like a hundred thousand times and I got to thinking..... Would you be interesting in revisiting the playing cards? The cheap ones of course and see if you can render the cards down and identify the metal they are made of... Perhaps if you could get the "plating" off of all of them and try to furnace it down to burn off the combustibles like the coating and such and see if you get some type of metal in the end? I miss these videos, I think it would be cool to see how to render all metals from ore. I live on a mountain and have a lot of rock to identify around the property.... You know what I think would also be neat, make a bar of fools gold, since the stuff turns to ash it would be a challenge I think.... Good excuse to make more crucibles and cupules. I don't know, like I said I miss the refining videos. If you could maybe use some tactics from Grants old videos and also make a sustainable forge for those of us that can't but they better stuff.
Awesome! Been waiting for more recovery videos woohoo :)