"How can we stick to the bottom of a ball?" - Up & Down Confuses Flat Earthers
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- Опубліковано 22 лют 2023
- Many Flat Earthers ask the question of "how can we stick to the bottom of a ball" ... the problem with this logic is where is the bottom of the ball?
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It's terrifying that this needs to be said out loud to adult humans.
Who can vote, have freedom of speech, and can teach our children.
I asked my 6 year old son why people don't fall off the bottom of the earth and said "err, gravity".
more terrifying if that adult humans has power and authority like catholic church back in 1600
But are they really adult and/or humans?
I mean people have believed in Magical space wizards for over 4,000 years. Surprised people believe in something like the flat earth?
"Why don't people fall off from the bottom of the Earth?"
"Because of gravity."
"But gravity doesn't exist!"
"So why would they be falling off the Earth, then?"
👍
That was dumb what u said
If solar system is true, then Venus should not be visible in the night sky. But it is visible, because earth is flat and motionless, everything revolves above us. Solar system is a lie.
A ball wrecking question to globe slaves:
According to you, earth is a giant treadmill, right? Because "it's spinning" you say. So any vehicle traveling at 100 kmph in the east direction for covering 100 km distance should take a longer time than covering the same distance in the westward direction at the same speed.
Because earth spins from west to east, so while traveling west, the destination comes to you at 1600 kmph speed. So you should reach the 100 km westward destination much quicker.
But in reality it takes exactly 1 hour to reach 100 km destination at 100kmph speed in both directions. This clearly scientifically proves that the earth is NOT spinning.
CHECKMATE. Accept the flat reality, you won't regret.
@@Almighty_Flat_Earth facts then when ask to debate us they no where to b seen
My geography teacher had a game to make us learn directions; he would point to the map and say "direct my hand to (country)" but his trick was if someone said "up" he would lift his finger off the map and if someone said "down" he'd reply with "I can't poke through the map" so that we *had* to guide him using north south east west lol
what if someone said left and right?
I did something similar teaching Earth/Space science. Discussion plate tectonics, or Earth, when anyone said, “up,” I’d say, “point north.” And they would. I’d say, “Point down.” And they would.
Then, “are those the same?”
And except for one or two odd children over the years, they’d say, “no.”
When you zoomed out of the ball to reveal up I would have loved you to zoom out again to reveal you were hanging upside down in a room ! 😆
I blew a person's mind once when I told them that wherever you are on the globe, it could be the top, bottom or side. They just couldn't wrap their head around it. I think a lot of people have trouble with 3d. I'm like you and refer to up as away from the centre of the earth, and down as toward it. I'm an Aussie and I'm definitely not hanging upside down as I ride my kangaroo to the shops.
Every time someone is accused of having trouble with 3D, they turn out to have trouble with 2D. A circle is all that's needed to illustrate your point
You are on a Spaceship approaching Earth, which way is "up"? Which way is "down"? THAT is a thing FlatEarthers can't understand.
G'day Wicked Lee Goods,
I quite often need to carry big heavy items that wouldn't fin in my kangaroo's pouch so got one of those metal Kangaroos with the pouch in the back that we call a ute 🙃👎
Very dangerous having sex with a kangaroo - if you get out of step.
Ah I see you're a Sniper main
It's always fun watching flerfs do their best to not understand this very simple concept. And I do believe it requires active, conscious effort on their part to remain ignorant. There was a very telling moment in the first debate between McToon and Jin (I think it was Jin?) where Jin said "down is where your feet are", then immediately had to run away from it because he realized that this was incompatible with his "confusion" about how people in Australia don't fall off the planet.
There was also the guy who pretended not to understand clockwise and anti-clockwise, regarding apparent rotational direction of the night sky.
@@ziploc2000 Tony Naoum was that guy. He was bonkers and out of control.
What becomes blatantly clear over time is that Flerfs function entirely on the purposeful ignorance of things like scale, common sense, basic thinking.
It's a treacherous existence, always having to argue with one eye on whether the new claim exposes any of the other ones you're trying to develop.
Yeah...I mean, "up" always means the absolute opposite to the center of gravity...
People have always used the phrase, "That person is so confused, they don't know which way is up", but I never thought we'd reach a point in humanity's existence where such adults actually existed outside of suffering the effects of strong drugs or a severe head injury.
lol
Australian here - they're correct. Been falling into oblivion for quite a few years now
Another simple way to show this is to have two people face each other and tell them to both to point left. They are both pointing left and they are both pointing in different directions and they both probably not pointing in the direction that is left to you. This is why in theater you have a stage left and a stage right, because telling a character to go left or right can be confusing since it matters which way the character is facing in a scene. Using the stage as the single reference point fixes this. Earth is the reference point, up is the sky and down is the dirty, doesn't matter on the orientation you are actually in.
Since I'm not a theater guy, could you enlighten me? How is "stage left" and "stage right" less confusing than just "left" or "right"? Because depending on where you face on the stage, its left or right could change again. Are those referencing the audience looking at the stage? What's the reference frame for "stage left/right"?
@@christophsiebert1213 It’s referenced by the stage crew. Their left when facing the audience is Stage left for everyone and vice versa. It’s also marked a lot of the time, above the exit/entrance.
@@christophsiebert1213 Stage left means left to a performer on the stage facing the audience. It is always the same. House left means left to a person in the audience facing the stage. Similarly there is 'up stage' which means the part of the stage farthest from the audience, and 'down stage' which means the part closest to the audience.
Thanks to all of you, guys! Very interesting. I've learned something new. 👍
“Exit… Stage Left” - Awesome album!
From my experience, whenever you talk to a flat earther, you just have to define "bottom" as a "direction where things fall". This is very hard to argue about, and leaves them very little room for that weird 'ball on water & stuff' arguments.
Do you mean the weird "show me water sticking to a ball" thing?(You said ball on water) It's really stupid.
@@JonasColorado yes, I meant exactly that. But I guess "ball on water" might still be somewhere among those flerf arguments, if you search long enough.
The thing we use to sit on.
@@JonasColorado Even funnier is that surface tension can cause a small amount of water to stick to the bottom of a ball.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 Setting the scalability of the experiment aside one thing that I think adds to the comedic effect is (and this is entirely eyeballed because I am too lazy to do the math right now. The earths oceans average some 2 miles deep and the atmosphere is about 60 miles thick. That means that the depth of the ocean is roughly 1/30 as deep as the atmosphere is thick. I have heard the thickness of the atmosphere as relative to earth is nearly the same as the relationship in between an apple (an apple being roughly the same size as the balls that they use for their inane demonstration) and it's skin. The thickness of an apple skin is roughly 180 μm so carrying over the relationship to the same scale. If the skin of the apple is assumed to be the atmosphere than the thickness of the ocean in proportion to it would be just 6 μm. Again this is just 3AM head bullshit but, if a flat earther did this demonstration and at any point on the ball the remaining layer of moisture were equal to or greater than just 6 μm then they would (by their own rules of study and neglect for basic principals of observation) in fact be proving a stronger effect than we see present on earth as it would pertain to the attractive force exerted on the oceans.
"People in Australia should fall off into Oblivion." what absolute nonsense. if anything, they should fall off into Skyrim!
People in the western hemisphere should fall off into Morrowind.
Skyrim is in the north, Australia is in the south. So I don't think this would work. ;)
I can confirm I've been falling for the last 25 years
It's a miracle that the flat earth was made the right way up, otherwise all the flerfs would be falling off.
"because they think".... that would require them to think
True words 👍🏻
I have a theory that the average flat earther has the same mental limit as a potato and any thoughts harder than that hurts and shorts them out. (Average human 10 watts of power, average potato 0.8, but only stable around 0.2)
If Flatty's IQ were measured on the Kelvin scale, they'd be on par with the Cosmic Microwave Background Emissions.
@@devlin9871 Most flat earthers are just science denying religious apologists. They have these same never ending arguments about evolution also. They lie deny and act incredulous all to keep their comforting beliefs alive.
Y all doesnt think at all u go by he say she say us flat earthers show work and do research by using critical thinking and logic
Another one that bugs me is the "spinning ball" argument.
I've tried to explain that earth rotates half as quickly as the hour hand on a clock.
Trouble is I don't think they know which one is the hour hand.
pretty sure they all just look at their own hands in confusion
Ball earthers are so delusional that, the sun, moving across the sky everyday, isn't.
1000 miles an hour at the equator.. sure
All my life I've been trying to claw my way to the top, only now to realize I've been there the whole time. I'm not sure how to feel about that.
The highest Place? Is everest. The deepest one is the Marian sea trench. The more far away to the north? North Pole.
The fact that flerfs need to be told what is up and what is down says it all.
Well put.
Who told u y all not coming to us let's debate anybody on this chat can get it
@@FlatEarth-q1f
Do you know what up and down means?
@@FlatEarth-q1fWhat is weight to you!
@@FlatEarth-q1f why do you think something is false because you don't understand it
My favourite was when a flerfer told me the moon landings where on the visible side of the moon yet all the films show them on the top.
Y r they fake CGI and fotoforensics y can't we go to space an experience this great discover that NASA did. Explain to me where is the curvature how high and how far do I need to go
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Clearly, the astronauts were on top of the moon!! People are so dumb! I mean they knew this when they heard it on the radio....
The flerf's inability (or outright refusal) to grasp this concept is both funny and horrifying.
I feel bad for their offsprings (if that's even possible). I bet they believe that babies came from pelican express or something.
@@miraqen7801 It's a statistical fact that those who exist on the left end of the bell curve often reproduce at a far higher rate to those on the right.
I believe it's the ability to understand and utilize delayed gratification, that those on the right often don't reproduce until later in life.
It's scary knowing they walk among us
If solar system is true, then Venus should not be visible in the night sky. But it is visible, because earth is flat and motionless, everything revolves above us. Solar system is a lie.
A ball wrecking question to globe slaves:
According to you, earth is a giant treadmill, right? Because "it's spinning" you say. So any vehicle traveling at 100 kmph in the east direction for covering 100 km distance should take a longer time than covering the same distance in the westward direction at the same speed.
Because earth spins from west to east, so while traveling west, the destination comes to you at 1600 kmph speed. So you should reach the 100 km westward destination much quicker.
But in reality it takes exactly 1 hour to reach 100 km destination at 100kmph speed in both directions. This clearly scientifically proves that the earth is NOT spinning.
CHECKMATE. Accept the flat reality, you won't regret.
Another classic case of the entire Southern Hemisphere ruining the flat earth model
And reality as a whole ruining flerfers.
Fun fact: The phrase "to orient a map" or "to orient yourself" comes from the practice of having Jerusalem at the top, or, in other words, "The Orient".
Orient comes from the Latin oriens, meaning rising/east.
Oriental, occidental (west), boreal (north), austral (south)
The Orient was meant to be Jerusalem? Wow. Neat!
@@defenestrated23 Hmm. Yes. Aurora Orientus lol.
Interesting. I'm learning stuff!
Until flerfs understand that the gravity vector DEFINES up and down, they’ll never get it.
Gravity vector?? I do not lack the mental capacity to understand anything science teaches. I do however lack the mental capacity to regurgitate false information as facts
So is it gravity vector that holds water down to the spinning ball while allowing us to walk around
Gravity Vector. That's now one of the most laughable made up scientific terms I have heard. What a steaming crock of bull
Density vector, if you mention gravity you will immediately lose the flerfer, thus rendering useless your effort to explain reality.
@@johnchapman8131 Your personal incredulity is showing.
The fact that this concept still needs to be explained in the 21st century is tragic.
Gravity doesn’t pull “down,” it pulls _in_
This got me thinking about when I worked as a travel counselor for an auto club and helped people plan road trips. When working with a customer, we would turn the map so that it was right side for them, so from my perspective the map was south facing up. I got so used to working with paper maps with south up, that for the longest time when I was using one in the car or such (these were the days before commonplace Google maps and directions and all that), I would have to flip the map upside-down so it was correct for me.
Same here.
I just played a lot of videogames.
In some the map rotates and the representation of your character always points up.
In others just your pointer rotates.
And then there was Descent, which had no problem letting you turn the 3d map so a wall was down while your ship was oriented so the ceiling was down.
Whenever I need to read a map, I first orientate it so that north is at the top, and from there on I proceed with reading the map. Creates a single frame of reference for myself.
If neccessary, I can also create another point of reference from a physical landmark, and compare it to the map, and then orient myself to these landmarks. From there, it is plain sailing.
The mistake most people make with reading maps is by not having one (or two) reference points, and they confuse themselves.
Interestingly, Tolkien put the East of his maps at the top.
If u have to turn the map doesn't mean its a globe no matter what u do u r still travel horizontal how far do u have to go to c curvature
@@FlatEarth-q1f this idiotic statement is not worth my time and energy.
I admit that I too was confused by this… at the age of 6.
Being an old geezer from an age when education was first class, I would have thought that it would be obvious that there's no up and down in space.
Being another old geezer, it's indeed distressing how educational standards are falling. But even good education has to fight against the pull of social media.
@@therealzilch 'Educational standards are falling' Really? Ever noticed how most flerfers are also old geezers? How would that be possible if educational standard were so great back then? The only thing more annoying than Flerfers repeating their nonsense is boomers repeating the "Everything was better when I was young" mantra
@@oilslick7010 Actually, having followed the flat Earth scene for several years now, I don't notice that most flerfers are old geezers. Most are younger, and most are obviously dropouts. Many are also crackheads.
@@oilslick7010The only thing more annoying than flerfers is:
The use of the, non existant word - flerfers.
You have obviously never been to Australia and have neglected to mention the daily struggle we go through here, just keeping from falling off into space. Why, just last week, our Finance Minister neglected to check his tether and was last seen in a sub-troposoheric orbit above Invercargill.
Ever since I was a little kid, I would go out at night when the moon was exactly half full. I would align my head and (as best as I could) my body with that line on the moon, and imagine myself standing "sideways" on the Earth, trying to get a gut "feel" for the relative positions of me, the Earth, the Moon, and the Sun. Given the shadow on the moon, where is the Sun right now? It's a fun exercise in geometry. 🙂
i guess the moon points at it
Dude that reminds me of one particular sunset about 15 years ago, the sun had just gone down and Venus was high in the west, and both the moon and mars were in the east, and I just "got it" - like I could _feel_ my place in the solar system. I pulled my kids out into the yard and pointed like a crazy person. "LOOK! Venus! Earth! Mars!" It was a profound moment for me
I pretend or imagine I'm on the bottom, upside down and about to dive deep, headfirst into the universe...
(I don't think the earth is a ball.)
Sometimes I think people forget how small humans are compared to the size of the earth
Flat earthers stopped paying attention in school at around grade 2
If they hadn't, they'd understand that gravity is a thing and space is big
To fall off the underside of the earth would mean there is a gravity source below earth and if there was then the earth would also fall. The truth is gravity is like a magnet in the center of the earth sucking everyone to it, like a magnet sucking up iron filings all over it's self.
I was teaching this to my six grade students. It's so terrifying that we have to explain this to grown adults.
I suppose it might comfort you to know that "flat earthers" don't actually believe that nonsense. Any "flat earther" that you are likely to meet is better described as a zombie that mindlessly parrots what some zombie handler said. You are unlikely to ever meet the zombie handlers (i.e. flat earth "content" creators)
Or maybe that might terrify you more.
If solar system is true, then Venus should not be visible in the night sky. But it is visible, because earth is flat and motionless, everything revolves above us. Solar system is a lie.
shame on globe slaves for deceiving the world with photoshop images and fish eye lens videos. This is the year of waking up the globe dreamers. Earth is flat and motionless.
A ball wrecking question to globe slaves:
According to you, earth is a giant treadmill, right? Because "it's spinning" you say. So any vehicle traveling at 100 kmph in the east direction for covering 100 km distance should take a longer time than covering the same distance in the westward direction at the same speed.
Because earth spins from west to east, so while traveling west, the destination comes to you at 1600 kmph speed. So you should reach the 100 km westward destination much quicker.
But in reality it takes exactly 1 hour to reach 100 km destination at 100kmph speed in both directions. This clearly scientifically proves that the earth is NOT spinning.
CHECKMATE. Accept the flat reality, you won't regret.
@@Almighty_Flat_Earth "So any vehicle traveling at 100 kmph in the east direction for covering 100 km distance should take a longer time than covering the same distance in the westward direction at the same speed."
No, since the vehicle is travelling along the "tread" in this analogy. lol. Were you just pretending to be stupid by asking this question? Or did you really not see the problem with your own analogy?
"If solar system is true, then Venus should not be visible in the night sky"
No, you'd be able to see it just fine in the solar system. If you couldn't, astronomers would have figured that otu by now.
It's such a simple concept, the fact that up and down are relative directions and need a frame of reference as you mentioned in the video, yet flat earthers somehow fail to understand that, that's really remarkable.
Left and right are relative as well, and most people - including those ignorant about any science at all - know this. That is why many get left and right confused. But, for some reason, "up" and "down" seem to be immutable objective spatial vectors (I hope I used those words right :D)
I think the issue is people can't understand the concept of reality being relative.
Here's what goes on in their heads when someone tells then=m the world is spheroidal - "Buh-buh-buh-but muh Bahbel!!!" Just about all flerfism is bible-based bullshit.
@@MagiRemmie what do you mean by that?
Do you mean that truth is relative or just subjective reality?
@@MagiRemmie reality isn't relative, perspective is.
as an australian I can confirm I have to constantly fight gravity
If a flerf falls down in the woods can he hear me laughing?
I am an Australian and I can confirm I fell and I am currently drifting through the void of nothingness and distance that is space.
Glad you've still got a wifi signal at least🙂
Pffft! We all know that Australia doesn't exist and that anyone claiming to be Australian is just an actor. (There's *no way* that accent can be real for a start, and Foster's is obviously something just pretending to be beer). Your lies can't fool me!
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing it, doesn't go away.”
- Philip K. Dick
I stopped believing:
Now I see the sun moving!
Trying to reason with a flerfer is like trying to argue with a drunk.
U never talk to an flat earther either u hear she say he say prove the globe then
It's beyond me that adult humans have trouble understanding these incredibly simple concepts. Most small children can grasp this after a little explaining.
Where is the curvature go live and show me the cruve
@@FlatEarth-q1f There are probably thousands of video recordings showing the curvature of earth. And you believe they are ALL fake created by the greatest conspiracy of all time involving millions of people. Why the hell would you believe a recording I make??
@@FlatEarth-q1f if you take a picture of the ocean horizon and compress it horizontally, the curvature is visible.
@@shwingleman show me
@@shwingleman show a video of water curving by gravity. I can bend water its not gravity tho its, called cymatics meaning sound vibration fequancy
"frame of reference". Nope - too big of words for flerfs to understand.
If earth is round then how come bottom of my shoes if flat?
They can't believe people can be "magically" attached to the surface without falling down, but they can believe the sun, the moon, the planets and the stars can be "magically" floating above us without falling down?
Do they believe everything's hanging from the cosmic ceiling by strings or smth?
Simplest way to trigger a flat earther to collapse in on themselves is to ask why northerners can only see the northern star Polaris, and southerners can only see the southern cross, the Crux.
their excuse is a magical personal dome that hovers over everyone’s heads. 😂
try asking them how lunar eclipses work.
@@9_1.1 unfortunately you get lame and tone-deaf answers like "well nobody really knows how that works"
@@ayo-7772 one guy told me it was a “function of the moon itself”, and then couldn’t explain how it works or where he heard it from 😂
I always think of it like this: On Earth, "down" is strait toward the center of mass, the core of the planet. "up" is the opposite direction, away from the center of mass.
Which way does the earth curve?
"How do we stick to the bottom/underside of a ball?"
Me: A ball has no underside -.-
Or it wouldnt be A BALL.
My thoughts exactly
That was dumb prove the globe and tell Dave stop running
A ball has an underside if it's being pulled towards some external source of gravity. The Earth _is_ our local source of gravity, so the term "underside" can't be applied to any part of it.
@@FlatEarth-q1f We've been proving the globe over and over every time you idiots show your faces. Don't blame us just because you refuse to listen and don't even understand what "proof" or "evidence" even mean.
What?
Up is up, down is down and the Earth is always round.😊
How come when I say the earth is curving up, people get upset?
the human mind is amazing , flat earthers show us how it can fail even with the most simple concepts
Their main starting problem is that they can't think in 3d. It is hard as a 4 year old, but after that, it's not hard
Or at least it shouldn't be.
Some people just like to be outliers.
Alcoholics have a hard time thinking in 3d.
Most people learn this as a child, flat earthers haven't advanced that far.
Some people just throw out anything they learn in school as being useless. We call those people various flavors of ignorant. And then there are some people who, despite showing they know better, continue to engage in a bad faith argument because they gain from it in some way (in concrete money or through prestige in a niche group).
Basically Flat-Earthers are either willfully stupid or deliberately obtuse.
They probably did learn it as children but regressed.
Being an Aussie I have always only known the Rabbit in the moon's shadows. So I have never gotten the "man in the moon" that northen hemis see.
Until that pic in the middle. I finally saw him. While the Rabbit is the dark bit, the man is the white.
Fun fact the dark bits are called maria, they're basaltic formations from volcanic activity. Yes, the moon used to have active volcanoes. For some reason almost all the maria are on the near side of the moon, and there's no widely accepted explanation for why the far side would have been much less volcanically active.
Wait, I'm European and to this day I never knew that that was what the "man in the moon" was referring to. I always thought it was just a random bedtime story to tell kids. Funny thing is I can see the rabbit but can't see the man now that I look at it.
@@elih6087 In the image of the two moons, the left is the Northen Hemi view of the moon. Directly in the middle, with the 'Rabbits' head acting as hair. He is looking left.
@@isaacbruner65 I thought it was explained by how the moon was formed? Since a planet crashed into Earth and caused the moon to fly off the side closest to the Earth would have been the part of the earth that was deeper in the planet and therefore much hotter.
@@alistairgrey5089 The current theory does not involve a large intact mass becoming the moon. All the different chunks of earth/moon that were thrown out coalesce into the moon somewhat randomly.
Watching Daves debunk flat earthers is a new hobby.
Hello my second science Dave.
He didn't debunk nothing go live and prove it
"Up and down confuses flatearthers".... tieing shoelaces confuses flatearthers. They really sre comedy value only.
A flerf, giving a "lecture" on stage at a flat erf convention, claimed if we lived on a globe, in Scotland, & wanted to travel to London, you should be able to freewheel a car all the way there.
You are going South, he said, so you should be going downhill & not need the engine running.
It was one of those poe moments, surely no one could be such an eejit, he had to be trolling them. Alas no, he was deadly serious & very proud of his discovery.
Have you heard the claim that starting at a beach at sea level (0 feet) and driving across the UK (other locations can be used) and arriving at another beach at sea level (0 feet) proves the Earth is flat? Poe, troll or eejit? Who knows.
No, that's a really good one I've never heard, but something I can definitely see them believing.
McToon has started a website, a wiki where you can register & add to content. All these flerf claims need to documented there, so future generations can laugh at them, too.
Prove the globe then show me where is the curvature go live
@@FlatEarth-q1f Troll. lol .Where's your flat Earth map. You know, one that works for the Southern HemiSPHERE. We've been waiting a long time for it, still nothing.
@@daveg2104 lol easy go outside and look at the ground u walk on. Look at horizon line that meet eye level or how even it is in the sky so with ur research how high or how far do I need to go to c curvature
At what point do we simply write off flat earthers as a waste of time and stop spending time on this?
For instance, if someone wanted to argue that 2 + 2 = 5, I couldn't be talked in to spending more than 3 seconds explaining why they're wrong.
Life is too short to be wasted on people who are trying desperately to be ignorant.
Agreed, this topic is easily settled by measuring the flatness of the surface of a lake. Never curved
@@allthingsbing1295
But it is curved as has been demonstrated repeatedly.
@@allthingsbing1295
*LYING* flunts!
@@allthingsbing1295 The question was about people like you. I guess you missed that important fact.
Dave, take your small blue ball and place a stick-figure person on the "top" (uppermost point in the screen view). As you rotate the ball, animate that stick-figure to walk along the surface, so it remains in that same point of relative viewpoint regardless of the orientation of the ball.
You described the relative "up" POV, placing a figure there just emphasizes it.
_(Oh, and nice video, sir!)_
It really hurts my head trying to contemplate the stupidity that flat earthers have to force upon themselves just to keep their beliefs.
Of course the world is flat, how else does it balance on the backs of 4 elephants, stood on the back of a giant turtle. D-er!
that ones funny
Don’t give them ideas if they can have them
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@@Tsudico disc world fan than
The Ender's Game movie actually mentions this twice. Early in the film the character Ender comments that another character is trying to orient themselves 'down' when there is no up or down in zero-g. Later in the film Ender realises that for them to coordinate in a game, they need a frame of reference, so states "The enemies gate is down" highlighting the fact that up and down are completely arbitrary.
I remember being pretty young when I watched it and it helped me to understand that up and down pretty much entirely depends on ones perspective
It's disturbing that this still has to be explained to adults in the 21st century.
North is up, otherwise Italy would be an upside down boot 😅🤣😂
Romanes eunt domus!
I have seen flerfs in the same breath 1. acknowledge that in the globe model, gravity pulls toward the center of the planet, 2. question how water could stick to the underside of the "ball," and 3. act like the Nile flows against gravity because it flows north. There just isn't any helping these people.
Let’s be fair - science, geometry, and reality confuse flat earthers.
Amen! As someone else pointed out, their logic is essentially "I don't understand it, therefore it's false."
None of what u said goes with the globe
@@FlatEarth-q1f Everything he said goes with the globe. You have no understanding of what those words even mean. Every piece of evidence we have, every observation practically screams that the Earth is a globe.
While all you idiots can do is stand there and go "Nuh uh!" over and over again. You don't care about what's true or real, all you care about is believing that you're smarter than everyone else and that you've figured out some big secret that has everyone else fooled. And if you have to profess some of the most moronic ideas that anyone has ever come up with and ignore what's in front of your own eyes, well you're just fine with that.
Flat earthers are inherently dishonest, to yourselves most of all.
@@FlatEarth-q1f so science doesn’t go with the globe then 👀
It always bother me, that space ship in scifi always encounter another on the same plane and orientated in the sam direction. Not once did the Enterprise encounter another spaceship "upside down"
The entire time the Enterprise was actually upside down.
@@dogwalker666 Well, but then so was everybody else. :D
@@christianhohenstein1422 indeed. 🤣
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed that problem. That, and the infinitesimal odds of _ever_ accidentally encountering another spaceship in interstellar space, even if I assume such travel is commonplace in the universe. In sci-fi it happens often but in reality, it would be so unlikely that it would be safe to say it would _never_ happen.
@@markwood1159 they explain it by the fact that they use “Trade Routes” but as you say in reality it would be a flurf IQ to one that you would meet another ship.
You had me at "this is what everyone is taught" and using that on flerfers. It's what they always say- "the lies they've been teaching in schools..."
The response to that is "how do you (flerfs) know they are lies?"
@@ShizukuSeiji cause the globe were made by people that control ur soul
Every time I see a flat earther post one of those idiotic "Upside down Australia photo" memes in one of the Flat Earth Debate groups on Facebook, I ask them,
*Why is the photographer "right side up" if everything else is "upside down?"*
I've asked the question at least 8 times and I've yet to receive an answer.
How do you know the photographer is rightside up and he/she/it isn't just holding the camera upside down?
You can't really answer your question as asked.
That's a bad question.
Make it better and maybe you'll get answers.
This is my favorite channel for frerf debunking, because Dave calmly and definitively explains why they’re wrong instead of just showing clips of flerfs saying silly things and then laughing at them (although, that can be entertaining, too).
"Clips of flerfs saying silly things"?... Don't you mean "clips of flerfs saying things"? "Silly" is implied. :D
@@chrisantoniou4366 everything about flat earth is silly
@@9_1.1 Yes, except for all the things that are stupid, illogical, absurd, ridiculous, untrue, or just plain wrong... 😂
He is definitely is wrong hell a wrong
@@FlatEarth-q1f assuming you’re a real flerf, may i ask that you explain lunar eclipses on a flat earth? (asking a question back isnt an answer btw, its a red herring. i will answer any question you have AFTER you answer mine.)
Awesome. Thank you. We orient maps maps because east used to be upward.
I always wonder where flerfs think objects would fall to.
Buckminster Fuller proposed we replace _up_ and _down_ with _out_ and _in._ "In" towards the Earth's center, "out" as the opposite direction. *That* applies everywhere on this planet. That's why I refer to outer space as being "out there" instead of "up there."
This shows how greatly educational system has failed.
I'm gobsmacked by this - this clicked with me at school when I was TEN years old in a lesson about the earth and Australians. How have they not got this yet!?? 😳
At ten u been lied to parents lie to their children if they didn't know either show me where the curvature is located at
@@FlatEarth-q1fyou r 8 years old max
@@Ddozsoy go live and prove me wrong then if not shut up while grown folks r talking
@@Ddozsoy even religion copied off ancient cosmology and all over the world saying its flat go do ur research
@@Ddozsoy go live and prove me wrong or u gonna b a coward and run
One reason I enjoy playing No Man's Sky and other space games is that I will never encounter a Flerf, their brains cannot grasp the very simple concepts required.
I was born in New Zealand. We all had to wear divers weights until the age of 10, when we became heavy enough to stay on the ground. When I moved to Europe in the 90's I had to wear divers weights for 6 months to avoid floating away. You get used to it.....
As an Antipodean, I find it offensive that we are considered to be "at the bottom". It's blatant bigotry and I demand change.
People being unable to comprehend this is the one that really drives me up the wall. No one's asking them to calculate geodesics in curved spacetime, literally just to understand that "up" and "down" on a massive body like a planet are merely what "inward" and "outward" look like to you from any single spot on the surface. It couldn't be simpler, but they _just don't want_ to understand it, because being able to accept the existence of outer space makes the universe too huge and intimidating, with all these overwhelming implications for humanity and themselves that disgust and terrify them, and so they'd rather pretend that almost everything that exists out there in the real world is fake and they live in a nothing but a stupid little magic snowglobe with a universe painted on the walls. What a waste.
At least they're right to distrust power and institutions and elites, but even then they can't accept it's not because of Satan or Freemasons or some insipid fantasy of a cultural agenda-Power doesn't give a shit about any of that-It's just about _money._ Quarterly profits, value for shareholders, reducing labor costs, opening new markets, etc., and every consequence is someone else's problem-That's _it,_ that's the _entire "conspiracy."_
It is honestly less irritating to argue with a brick wall than to argue with a flat earther.
People have explained this, to all flerfs who bothered asking. And never stopped asking, because they cannot accept the answer as it functionally invalidates the thing they _want_ to believe.
People have explained this, to all globies who bothered asking. And never stopped asking, because they cannot accept the answer as it functionally invalidates the thing they want to believe.
@@maxlevel1489
Explain how tides work on your Flat Earth. Why do we get two high/low tides per day? Why do they occur at different times around the world? Why don't they occur at the same time each day at the same location? Why do we get Spring Tides? Use your Flat Earth 'model' to provide tide forecasts for any location around the world.
Coz the heliocentric model works just fine. Nothing "functionally invalidated" there whatsoever.
You presumably think that parroting people's words back at them is clever but... and at the risk of stating the obvious... Flerfer's ain't clever by definition.
There are websites that use the globe model to predict eclipses (20 April, S/E Asia) years in advance. You can look up where the ISS is, then... _look up_ and see it's accurate for yourself. I have multiple apps on my phone that accurately simulate the location of sun, moon, planets and stars in a 3D _sphere_ of augmented reality around me, lining up with the camera. All of this is available for free. Meanwhile, there is no flat Earth model that reflects basic aspects of reality. Invalidation, you say?
@@maxlevel1489
*DOPEY* flerfs!
I do love watching these little doses of common sense.... and then chuckle when I contemplate those who blindly refuse to accept it :)
Thats kinda evil 😆
I love the dog! - (s)he doesn't seem bothered by which way is up...
Is the target audience of this video primary school students, or flat earthers? It's hard to tell.
Videos like these are for a few audiences. The primary group is people who are curious to get a look into the thought process of people who choose to deny such a basic fact like the shape of the earth. Next is people who like to engage with flat earthers and are looking for the debate tactics. Lastly is people who may be on the fence about flat earth and could still be swayed by reason.
Thank you for this. I talk about this all the time. Unfortunately flat earthers can’t begin to understand this or except it. They will just say, if what you just said, is true, we should all fall off, therefore proving flat earth.
So, wait, gravity is in the "up" direction, according to F. E.s?
@@inyobill gravity doesn’t exist, according to most flat earthers.
Prove the globe
@@FlatEarth-q1f it’s been proven. Cave men proved it.
Proof it isn’t a globe. Please.
@@luchagain3424 show me who proved it
hearing about flat earthers always makes me feel less dumb myself (:
Flat earthers remind me of the guy that said he invented a car that didn't need petrol. He put small tires on the front and big tires on the back so it was always driving downhill.
There's a demo I do for my kids: I rub a 1/4 inflated balloon (a slightly slack surface works better for the next bit, I've found) on their hair until it picks up a static charge, and then I hold it next to a reeeaaallly thin stream of water coming from the tap. The water bends it's course and 'falls sideways' towards the balloon, raining onto it's surface. Once there's a bit of water on the balloon you can shake off the excess (by spinning it fast around your head, to make it relevant to flat earther's, if you like), and see some thin finger-wide patches of water clinging to the balloon due to surface tension. (also, ultimately, an electric force).
I can then get a dry section of the balloon (or another balloon if the water is all over it), carefully rub that to give it some charge, and pick up some pits of tissue paper or tiny plastic beads.
It seems to work quite well to explain that 'down' just depends on which way the forces acting on you are pulling - if there are forces acting towards the balloon then water can rain onto it, and form shallow water bodies there. If you were a little creature, a very small bug for example, you might get pulled onto the balloon by the static and held there with the water - to bug-you it'd seem like you were on a bug-sized planet, with water that fell 'down' onto it and pooled into lakes on the surface, and where beads and bits of paper fell 'down' to the balloon surface too.
this has nothing to do with demonstrating how gravity or a globe model works lol
@@penguiin12 I think I covered that with: "It seems to work quite well to explain that 'down' just depends on which way the forces acting on you are pulling - if there are forces acting towards the balloon then water can rain onto it, and form shallow water bodies there".
But, to elaborate: it's more fundamental than that - the point is that what you, or even water, 'feels' as down changes depending on what forces are acting on you. You can get a more visceral demo of this on a big fair ground centrifuge, or with a boat floating on a bucket of water you spin around your head while filming into. But those are harder to do and messier. Still, the claims that 'water cannot stick to a sphere', 'things cannot fall 'up'', 'water always finds it's level', any attempt to measure down in an absolute way (say, with a spirit level), or even just 'I i/know/i which way is down' as an absolute... any of those demos show these statements to be fundamentally untrue - by observation, and by personal experience with the fairground spinner - before we even i/get/i to the idea of gravity as force. It's that fundamental that 'down' could be any direction, if the strongest force acting on an object, liquid, or person pointed that way.
Thank you, Dave! I find your videos to be some of the best in debunking these pseudoscientific idiots. 🙏🙇❤️🌹
Agreed 👍.
He didn't prove nothing go live and prove the globe then
@@FlatEarth-q1f Where do you live? Approximately - NOT meaning to dox you. I probably can prove the globe to you with ease and in a way so that you yourself can go and verify it.
They're not idiots, they're self deceived because they do not have a workable framework for discovering truth.
@@wiredforstereo i think we're arguing over semantics. 😉
I'm always struggling like hell on my way to work. Constantly fighting against the 40° sloped roads no matter where I go. Take that globe earthers!
Eh?
What
The enemy gate is down.
and these people can vote with an equal voice to you or I. We need a new form of deocracy where answering simple questions means your vote counts more.
The main problem is that there'd need to be restrictions to prevent a question on political leanings from being used
It's my favorite flat earther misconception. It just blows my mind that they don't get this. I remember being 5 years old playing with a globe and thinking this. It didn't take very long to figure this out.
Go live and show me where is the curvature
@@FlatEarth-q1f im gonna show you the curvature of deez nuts
@@FlatEarth-q1f If I draw a squiggle, you can't say that the curvature is at x point. Indeed, curvature-measuring at a given point requires taking two other points arbitrarily close to the initial point and to follow the shortest surface-path. The three points is sufficient to define a circle. The curvature along that direction is 1/[circle radius]. The curvature on the point on the surface is the product of curvatures of perpendicular directions. If the perpendicular lines curve in the same direction (i.e., away or towards each other), then the curvature is positive. If they curve away from each other, it's negative. If one or both directions are flat, the curvature is zero
@@Anonymous-df8it stop talking and go live outside an prove it its so simple to do
@@Anonymous-df8it where can i go to see curvature u better not say water either cause when u drive for miles and miles u on water u don't see it
Well said and very well put. 👍
Thanks Dave for another excellently done and well explained vid, and we all love your graphics.
I would suggest Flat Earthers should play a video game, called "Star Citizen" that has Planets on 1/6th scale. When you are on the planet, irrelevant if it is southern or northern hemisphere it looks normal just like on earth. They can even make their own game with a big ball and just walk on it, it'll look flat but it's a ball just like earth. Shouldn't be that hard.
I actually enjoy most Flerfer's attempts to debunk our quantifiable shared reality. I find it hilarious just how pitiful their grasp of that quantifiable shared reality is. Whenever a Flerfer asks for video of "people walking upside down in Australia," I am once again reminded of how incredibly stupid they are.
Thanks for making the rest of us look that much smarter, Flerfs!🤣
just ask them to explain lunar eclipses and watch them scramble. 😂
edit: a great example is the guy who literally named his channel “flat earth” right below these few replies.
@@9_1.1 Oh, I've had Flerfs try to tell me that "lunar eclipse aren't what you think they are," and other such pathetic excuses. Apparently, they suffer from (among other things) the delusion that the Moon's phases are caused by "reflected shadows from Earth."🤣
The truth is, you can't really "explain" anything to Flerfers; they can't accept *any* evidence that disproves their precious "beliefs."🤣
@@That70sGuitarist i had one guy tell me that lunar eclipses are a “function of the moon itself”, but when asked to explain how it works, they ghosted me. 🤔
@@9_1.1 That "ghosting" process is their fragile ego's way of protecting them from their own immense stupidity.🤣
Eventually, it's bound to break down one way or another, after which they'll probably need treatment to avoid harming themselves.🤣
@@That70sGuitarist i really wanna have an in person debate with a flerf, prove them wrong and not let them run away, and see what they do. i guarantee they would do ANYTHING but admit to being wrong. 😂
Beautifully and simply expressed - thank you.
And the question is.
Where is the dog?
Beside him on the seat your left hand side.
If the Earth is a disk, what stops the oceans from running off the edge ???
The whole ice wall thing kind of implies that we live on soup bowl Earth. Then again, there are the Tartaria people who think that there are lands beyond Antarctica, but they're being kept secret from us so that the Freemasons can keep the resources and have unlimited vacations there. Seems silly, but it's a rough approximation of their thinking.
The ice wall! Duh!!! You darn globertards don't know a damn thing about reality! Think! Wake up! Or should I say, Wake away from the globe!
@@MrOttopants Aye, that makes sense ... for one meaning of sense ;-)
why would the water run off the edge? Like, earth spins once in 24hours
@@bco-fm5qu the one created by NASA sorcerers
It is happening... Devolution of humans as the result of individuals with lower IQ reproducing faster resulted in accumulation of people with Intelligence of a three year old. A toddler asking "if earth is round how come we don't fall off" is cute. An adult asking the same question is terrifying...
It also makes one wonder, why that adult as a toddler never has asked the question. Which shows their character: void of any interest in the world in any other way than to find evidence of their self-perceived brilliance.
And this attitude is coherent - it is the same when they encounter the shadows on the moon, utterly surprised that shadows get distorted by the surface they are cast on and the perspective of the observer, another observations toddlers tend to make.
remember, in space reverse cowgirl and doggy are the same thing
This lack of understanding opens up a whole chapter of flat earth science. Planes having to flip over when flying to Australia. Planes cruise at 10k but have to fly over a 20k bulge in the earth to get to the Southern Hemisphere. Water falling off the underside of the earth. FE science is just so amazing.
Actually the very term "Orientation" refers to the classic "East at the top" scheme, with "Orient" referring to the East, from Latin "oriens" -> east, rising and "orior" -> "rise"