Hi guys! We were spared heart attacks mid development with the ace attorney announcement thank goodness NOT being more to consider for the original ranking. So enjoy this wonderful new project that we had a BLAST making. We loved every moment of this.
Fun fact: Herlock Sholmes was indeed intended to be the OG Holmes. However, the collection was coming out just a couple years before Sherlock Holmes entered the public domain. So yes, it was to avoid a rights dispute with Doyle's estate, but the result is still absolutely hilarious and perfectly on the nose for Ace Attorney.
@@LordEgilYGO oh I asked my dad about the original Sherlock Holmes while making notes about this game and from the sounds of it these games 1000% nailed it.
@@Kaempfdog It's also a nice shout-out to another author that Japan really favors, Maurice Leblanc. Leblanc had to do the same letter switch to get Sherlock to appear in one of his Arsene Lupin novels.
@@llSuperSnivyllWait that's confusing so the name is public domain but the character isn't ? So you can have a character name Sherlock Holmes but isn't Sherlock Holmes ?
@@Lucario1121 Until last year, you could use Sherlock Holmes, but not use the characterization Arthur Conan Doyle gave him after Sherlock returned from "death".
Personally, McGilded’s breakdown didn’t make whether or not he was killer as obvious as it seemingly was for you. It definitely established that he wasn’t a good guy, but I was still questioning whether or not he was the real killer until it was explicitly confirmed in Case 5. Because of that, McGilded and the omnibus burning in the end meant to me that the truth would likely never come to light and since the series puts so much thematic importance on the truth, it made the ending feel sinister and unnerving rather than unsatisfying.
For me the difference is the absence of an active villain in there. Everyone comes off as equally unnerved, jumping around with their secrets being directly tied to the murder. And there's so many difficult situations leading to such high stress nerves around. And when he breaks down, with the dramatic angles and scary faces and laugh, no other character had THAT close of a response and considering the subjects, it just screamed at us. He kept switching gears so much it truly felt like his true self snapped out when he did or didn't get his way. Once the breakdown occurred it became "You brought a personal branded knife to this." I agree about the sinister and unnerving feeling and would have been ok with that sinister and unnerving sense if he was ALIVE. The guilty haven't walked free since Dahlia, and with this guy's resources him slipping through our fingers would scare the living DAYLIGHTS out of me. I would have been scared out of my MIND if Gina stole McGilded's coat using the broker's ticket and the spray reveal occurred. I would IMMEDIATELY start racing in my head, if she's gone rogue of his plan, what does he have in store?! Not to mention an implied grudge match between Van Zieks and the man himself. All of that would have had more purpose if he was alive. But they also had the OTHER avenue with it literally being the SYMBOL of the Reaper of the Bailey. Would've been nice if it was actually connected to that story ESPECIALLY with McGilded's true motive for the murder. AND the people present. When NEITHER were picked and we returned to this case, all I saw was potential with strict cut off points. But that's just me.
@@Kaempfdog I, for one, liked the suspense that McGilded's murder created. The suspense of "who is powerful enough to kill McGilded - a billionaire rich enough to fix trials for not premeditated murders - in a court of law? How powerful is this person, or organization"? The suspense of McGilded's killer EASILY trumped any suspense McGilded being free would've created. But I think we're missing the forest for the trees, here. I don't think case 3 (and especially 5) were intended to be narratives of an epic comeback from impossible odds, as Ace Attorney is basically stereotyped to usually do, at this point - the intention was to tell the tragic tale of the Milvertons, and just how tragically Mason Milverton died. How a poverty-stricken, frail, old man was killed by one of the most powerful and rich people in the country - for no good reason. It's tragic. Ashleys final words of "All I know is that the disk was taken from him... and he never returned home. " is a gut-punch. The writing in this part was simple, yet it conveyed just how much his father meant to him, and implied just how much his death impacted him. Essentially, I think that case 3 and 5 was intended to be a tale of poverty, tragedy, and death. And I think that they achieved that intention perfectly. It's why it doesn't FEEL satisfying, because everyone expected the usual, status quo "EPIC LAWYER COMEBACK, BUT X CHARACTER IS SECRETLY EVIL!" narrative that Ace Attorney usually makes. Your expectations were wrong, basically. Not everything has to be in line with your expectations in order to be good, it just has to be... good. And a tragic story of a poor man dying for nothing, is good. While the ending to case 5 was a bit anti-climactic (as in, it's weak in the whole Reaper conspiracy arc aspect), I think it was still quite a good dual-case arc. It wasn't satisfying as much as it was melancholy. And I think that's good, because the presiding theme of AA:C is that "Justice" doesn't happen, and if "justice" does happen, it's vengeance, rather than Justice. Lynch killings, like McGilded, or the Reaper killings. McGilded facing vengeance for him not facing Justice for killing Milverton is in line with the theme of the game, and I like that. All the while, the Reaper conspiracy is set up for the next game, which I think is a fine-enough conclusion.
I disagree with how you approached the 3rd and 5th case. Maybe it's just me, but you seem to want more 'standart' AA story. Yes, Magnus in any other game could have served as a much more threatening antagonist than Graydon. Yes, 3rd conclusion is unsatisfying. However, I don't think it would quite fit the game's theme. The entirety of Adverntures has this sense of melancholy to it. The killer of the first case can't be properly brought to justice. The second case is an absolutely senseless loss of life. The fourth case shows just how hard life is for average folk (Bobbies, jurors, everyone basically). It makes sense to me that the game will choose anticlimax over a climax then. The Big Bad, Magnus McGilded, is never brought to justice. Ashley Graydon's backstory is perhaps one of the most realistic in AA franchise. He is a person trying to compensate for lack of affection from his parents by money. He basically hordes it like a dragon endlessly, because in reality no matter how much he tries he can never fill the void inside. He shuns the poor to separate himself from his past. And he is a great contrast to Gina, who is literally his polar opposite. In the end, I feel like the themes of this game like class-imblanace and moving on with what you have fit more in this type of story. Rather than a tale of how young Japanese student takes down a big bad Magnus McGilded.
video's editor & co-writer here, I actually agree with most of your observations here but I feel like they're all beside the point of our actual problems with cases 3 and 5. the fact that this story isn't told in the "standard" way is in fact a good thing, it's why the case is still higher in our ranking than other more infamous cases like Turnabout Serenade or Turnabout Sisters, and it's also for this very reason that I actually personally disagree with my brother's take that McGilded should've stayed alive (which I didn't challenge as I agreed it would've been more fun than what we got albeit in a different way & given McGilded's evil tirades a purpose, but I know that's not what the game was going for). the real trouble for us was that they kept undercutting that sense of melancholy and making choices with these characters and reveals that made us not actually care as much about them as much as we potentially could've. they REALLY beat into your head that McGilded is some kind of big bad-type character, so when he dies it again feels like the entire case was all but rendered pointless, there's no loose end left open either since they all but already told us McGilded did it. I believe that if they'd just cut out all those parts going all on-the-nose making McGilded evil laugh and go on all those traditional evil monologues, made it more ACTUALLY ambiguous whether or not he did it, I think his death would've emotionally hit way harder and contributed to that sense of melancholy way more and made you actually feel that lack of justice being served. meanwhile Graydon's biggest problem isn't as much our lack of sympathy for his backstory, that's subjective and I can definitely see where your interpretation comes from. our biggest trouble with Graydon was that him being McGilded's killer undercuts the emotional stakes of the SECOND game, which is so heavily centered around the mystery of the Reaper, making it so that the Reaper's dirty work never happens to anyone you ever meet onscreen or know the name of. we didn't directly mention this in the video to avoid direct spoilers but this point especially felt like a tease while we replayed the game and saw that Gregson was literally right there on the scene during McGilded's death and was the one who told you about the mystery of the Reaper to begin with in case 4, a missed opportunity right there in front of our faces
Yes I completely agree! That's what I love about this game and why I actually prefer it over the original trilogy (even though I adore those games). There's a sad realness to all of the cases and that feeling follows into the second game too. It felt weird, but interesting, that the final case in the first game is the only time you actually feel like you actually catch a murderer. In the first, the killer gets away with it, in the second the death was a complete accident, in the third your client is the killer and not only does he get away with it but he DIES later on too and in the fourth case there wasn't even an actual death and the 'attempted murder' was a mistake too. The fifth case is really tragic and you summed up my feelings on Graydon perfectly. I thought he was a great antagonist. And I think that killing off McGuilded was a good choice. I remember watching that cutscene with my jaw wide open. His death was so dark and real. You hate the guy, but his death still really solidifies the threat of the reaper for you (at that point in the story). There's just a real sense of unease that haunts the rest of the game. Even when you find out that it was Graydon and not the reaper I don't think that undercuts the threat of the reaper at all. Just because this one death wasn't the reaper it doesn't take the looming threat of it away for me in the second game. I just took it as Graydon getting to McGuilded before the reaper itself. I love how they really stepped outside the box with the Great Ace Attorney games and their cases. They play with your expectations so well. They kill off important characters after you get to know them, which shocked the hell out of me. They have attempted murder cases as opposed to just plain murder ones , but the themes and stories in those cases are just as compelling. They even have one case that isn't set in a courtroom. In one case one of your clients IS the killer and the way you just gradually exhaust of all possible grains of hope that HE might be innocent is kind of horrifying to experience, just absolute dawning dread (this is why I love Engarde too but the fact that it was Ryunosuke's first client was so unexpected). I just love these games to death. You never know what to expect before starting a new case.
I also believe McGilded's death was to leave fear and weight about the prosecutor. Sure you beat Van Zieks, but a perfect conviction rate wasn't his thing like how it was for most of the other prosecutors. You get the innocent verdict but the Reaper of the Bailey still claims a life. You never actually broke their moniker.
@@joeyburkhart6602 Paht Rohl, Pat and Roly, and Patricia Roland. I’m thinking what her new name will be. I’m pretty prepared for those actually because I was introduced to names before the fan translation everyone played. 1st name I got was Jennifer Reese.
I don't think you gave Ashley Graydon enough credit. He's easily one of the most tragic killers in the series. It was clear that Graydon was traumatized by his harsh childhood, he was so terrified of returning to a life of poverty that he would do ANYTHING to avoid it, clawing his way up to a high ranking job of communications worker and conspiring with McGilded. And his relationship with his father. It was implied that Mason Milverton didn't have the healthiest of relationships with Ashley, borderline neglectful. So when Ashley left, he never looked back. But then over 10 years later, he returns to ask his father a favor, and he's overjoyed to see his son again, more than willing to make the disks for him. And when he found out the true nature of McGilded's dealings, he went in Ashley's stead to protect him, and because of this he was murdered. For what reason we'll never know, maybe Mason tried to force McGilded to leave his son alone? The line from Ashley says it best: "I don't know what happened that night, but all I know was my father went to deal with McGilded, and he never came home". Mason loved Ashley so much that he dealed with McGilded to make sure he wasn't harmed. And because of this, Ashley swore revenge on McGilded, but to do so, he lied, killed, and nearly got an innocent girl locked away, he effectively became just like the man he hated so much. And with this revalation, Graydon breaks down, not with screaming or wild antics, but with tears, he couldn't take it anymore and the truth finall came out.
And yet his far more memorable traits are his practical dance off with Sholmes, EVERY TIME HE MOVES, and it just makes it THAT much harder to make someone so animated also be the tragic villain and it mixed kinda poorly with one winning out the other. Which is where our misgivings with him lie.
@Kaempfdog I agree that there's a bit of cognitive dissonance with Graydon, but it's also intentional, the flashy and wealthy Eggert Benedict could *never* be that dirt poor boy from the slums Ashley Milverton, could he? It's just another way of Graydon trying to bury his past
It's not just trauma, but also greed. Graydon was deluded into thinking he needed to get away when in reality he desired going a step up in society. If he was simply traumatized he wouldn't have abused the Skulkin's, nor would he have lied to Mason. It was only after Mason died that Graydon truly understood the situation, but instead of reflecting on it he turned it into anger against McGilded and continued to live his delusion of a rich english gentleman. His appearance and animations are not only funny but also purposely exaggerated, as it happens when someone is trying to pretend being someone he is not. This character has a lot of depth, just like Nina. It's honestly kinda sad that people consider McGilded the best villain here, when you consider all that the game has to offer
I think the laughing and the freak out of McGuilded honestly better. Because of the lack of evidence, you can't 100% say he did it. The freak out and laughing imply that he did, right? But the not guilty verdict is saying that he didn't. It's this confliction of emotions of one half being like, oh he totally did it. But the other half being like, but there isn't enough proof to completely prove it. And him dying makes it even better. Because without know what comes later. It almost makes all of this feel final. You don't know if you did the right thing or not. And now that he is dead, you will probably never know. Now you will be forced to wonder for the rest of your life if you made the right choice or not.
Not to mention it's literally said to you at the start ofthe trial if you fail then you show a shit impression of the Japanese attorneys and embarrass yourself
When I first played the third case, I ended up stopping halfway through the trial, and because my monthly hyperfixation on Ace Attorney was over, I didn't pick the game back up until about a year later, which made the whole "was the omnibus tampered with" part of the trial a lot more interesting to me because I literally forgot.
to be fair, i played the whole trial in one sitting and STILL forgot. the game really doesn't call that much attention to it the first time you look around in there.
For my part i also played the case in one sitting but i noticed the fake blood right away at the beginning of the court session in question, because i always look at all tje evidences at the beginning and the end of each court session.
Fun fact: the TGAA did not come up with the name Herlock Sholmes, this name originates from the book series of books Arsene Lupin, centered the Phantom Thief of the same, which the author Maurice Leblanc wanted to have face off agaisnt Sherlock, but due to copyright had to name him Herlock Sholmes. Also yes I did get this from Persona 5
In defense of Roly, that one night was basically the only night where he got to actually spend time with his wife, only for that to be taken away. So to actually be able to even spend time with her, he did what he did (which although yes, it’s a bit annoying), which makes him more sympathetic.
I didn't like these two at first, but the reveal of what happened to Roly actually broke me. The guy is a devoted policeman in a system that actively breaks him and literally God itself decided he wouldn't have any respite. Among all the unfairness we have seen in the Ace Attorney series, this one really resonated with me. I think the whole case has an overlying theme of "fate" around it that gives it a bit more depth. The inability to escape what seems like being condemned to misery. You end up destroying the lives of both couples to save Soseki, even though none had really bad intents.
I enjoyed the couple a LOT more than my brother. But didn’t have many constructive compliments compared to his criticisms. And agreed they may have overstayed their welcome. In situations like that the criticisms take the conversation with the one that it bothers more talking about it. That’s why I spearheaded the complaints on Pop Windibank because it actively infuriated me.
@@quadrewplex6782 well I’m not in a boat TOO far when my brother explained to me all the foreshadowing of Robin Newman’s big reveal. And then I had to act like yes I DID see all that foreshadowing and it didn’t blow over my head by a mile after playing the game HALF A DOZEN TIMES. But my analyzing has improved a lot over these past few years as well.
hi hi omg i cannot believe i had just found this video!! i really adored the first ace attorney video-- the script, the analysis, the editing, the humor, your personalities-- everything was so amazing and well thought out!! i love dgs soo much, tmi but i actually cried when i found that you guys did a follow up video just for it! im soooo happy thank you guys so much for your work, and i'll be supporting you ^_^ on a separate note i actually want to raise an opposing point of view to the end of the third case; the main theme of case 1-3 is the questioning of the ethics of a court system and ideology where the ideal defense attorney’s sole aim is to relieve it’s defendant of it’s charges- the defense attorney as a concept was not created with values such as truth or justice in mind, as the japanese characters naively believed at the start. ryuunosuke and co. slowly realize that in court they are de rigueur to the role of being an opposing force to the prosecution first and foremost, bound by position to disregard the truth that begins to unravel, pointing to the obvious guilt of mc gilded. and with this build up of distrust and unease, the breakdown of mc gilded that confirms the player’s suspicions as he shamelessly shows his true colors cements this feeling of dread and despair: is this what ryuunosuke endured that months long trip from japan to britain, the death of his closest friend; the upending of his whole life, for? to exonerate a sleazy, financially abusive, morally rotten murderer? (and it must be noted that while it is arguable that the trial at least served to ugly his reputation, he is unfathomably wealthy, and he has easily demonstrated his money’s ability to buy out the public’s favor before- so i disagree entirely with that sentiment. + if you observe the behavior of rich people irl you will notice a similar pattern. public opinion is easily swayed, and honestly in of itself means little in the face of money.) the conclusion of the case leaves the player to contend with the bitter guilt, (ironic, considering the verdict), of releasing a criminal who showed no remorse, who has and will suffer no consequences, back into society. it elicits thoughts of the evils that mc gilded will continue perpetrating as a free, unmonitored man. -but not for long, because the reaper kills him. now the niggling unease of society’s future under mc gilded’s impact has been quenched; you may rest assured he will not continue to manipulate and abuse innocent people under the radar anymore; his death had the same impact on his society as his imprisonment would have had. great! your mistake has been nullified. but the real question is: did he deserve that? you now have this new ethical dilemma to consider. he’s ruined many lives, and taken one too, and just about to walk free of it all, he dies. is this the preferable outcome? is what [presumably] van zieks did more just than what you did? seeing first hand, the law’s insufficiency in recognizing the guilt of a perpetrator, should it be that law is the only avenue to seek justice for a victim? once you’ve defeated the law you become invincible- and is that a principle society should be structured around? and about the reaper: if your client’s only options are to die or face capital punishment, what should you choose as a defense attorney? should you pick guilty or innocent clients? should you continue to fight for their innocence just for them to face death, or spare their lives in exchange for their future and their trust. [side tangent but it also brings into question whether or not the reaper’s previous targets were also guilty or not. much to think about at time, before the reaper twist is revealed.] this case really feels contributes to the emotional atmosphere, especially for the next case. the player is unsure of what their role is as a defense attorney anymore. it is not longer as simple as just “believing in your client”. the corruption expands, and like the london fog it blankets english society; you begin to recognize that it is of a scale magnitudes larger than you as an individual can possible stand up to. but you have no choice but forward, into the uncertainty of your future, treading over the shaky path of your morals. i argue that what makes the death of mc gilded feel unsatisfying to some is rather that the reaper plot line is essentially never followed through after this case. if i remember correctly, the reaper does not kill another innocent defendant of ryuunosuke’s again, which totally renders the tension built by mc gilded’s death irrelevant. i am of the (possibly controversial) opinion that he should have killed more lol. the first three cases do wonderfully in mystifying britain and its legal system to the player, which really sets the stage from the perspective of a japanese exchange student who has not been outside the country before. the third case in particular, i argue, does a perfectly well job of painting the british legal system as a hostile and complicated force that by the end, you must change or be changed by. anyways my point is i’m so excited to finish watching this video and the part 2!! sooo sorry for the long comment, and again thank you so much for creating these, i am so so so grateful for your nuanced, critical and unique opinions on this series
I agree with some opinions and disagree with others. For starters, Van Zieks introduction was amazing. Also they really glossed over Roly. He is more complex than they let on. Dude got pushed around by Pat but the moment she said things she shouldnt have, he either got weirdly stern or pretended to fall asleep again.
Wow the adventures of the run away room that low. Personally I have to complete opposite opinion to you two regarding the case. I definitely agree on the great parts you highlighted but I do disagree that it was disappointing at the end. I thought it was amazing how this guy migilded managed to outplay literally everyone especially you and the moment you point out that the evidence you presented was fake, you immediately know he’s the killer but cannot do anything about it because of how hard you worked to give him a not guilty verdict. And i personally like the fact that he dies at the end, it ties well with the end of the final case and it prevents a lame Excuse for them to make his character worse. His character was only amplified imo because of his actions and impacts upon Ashley Grayden and Gina. If it wasn’t for DGS-3 I would’ve put this game near the bottom of my personal ranking. That’s totally my opinion tho and it’s kinda nice seeing someone have a complete opposing opinion of me.
@@Tutel1234 We have been WELL aware how this case was received by many. And we were bracing for impact on the choice to name it the worst of the 10. Repeat visits on killers between both Kristoph and Dahlia have only ever benefit from them escaping, or escaping their mindsets, and it strengthens them when you chase them THAT much longer with more determination to put them in their place the more context you have. In Magnus McGilded’s case, it was a poor decision to give us such a gigantic scene with Gina and the blood sensory when the guy is completely absent as a threat. Because he’s dead, he can’t be called back to the stand, and they treat it like a this changes EVERYTHING kind of moment. It’s…just really hard to swallow. And we’ll get to why his death in the WAY it happened was also a mistake.
@Kaempfdog Yeah I understand definitely where your coming from as you are considering replay value as a huge factor in your ranking and I respect that whole heartedly. Honestly it’s acc really cool to see someone see this case as very different from mine and a lot of others and I do get where your coming from on how it is very disconnected with the main plot and I do see where your coming from as being a huge misoppotunity. Nevertheless I still think he pulls this case as amazing in my opinion even with replay value as I saw this case less like a 3rd case and more like a 1st in Britain (similar to 4-1), and while I agree that not being able to cross examine him at the end is a bit disappointing I think in the grand scheme it was to just show the corruption on the British courts and the reaper of the Bailey (even tho it was grayden who did burn it down but that’s not the fault of this case). I see that this case as an introduction for the great ace attorney as a whole not the set up of DGS, so I can see where we differ. but I still think get where your coming from and I’m glad that you did point out the plot holes of DGS. I’m REALLY looking forward to the next instalment in this series and am looking forward :)
Love that you've made this two-parter! Just a note that "learned friend" is pronounced "lur-ned friend" and is a traditional way for opposing barristers to address one another in court
I find it absurd that this is the only hint we have so far of anything on Phoenix’s family. 6 main-line games, and we still know nothing of his parents or siblings, even though we did get that for Edgeworth, Apollo, and Athena.
For siblings, he has stated he's an only child, forget which game, i think its AA3. I actually kinda like we don't know about his family beyond Ryunosuke cause unlike, well, all other main attorneys in the series, his immediate family doesn't matter from what little have gotten. They're not part of a grand plot or mystery tied to corruption within the courts, he just comes from regular folk and regular upbringing but still able to be a shoulder to lean on for those with more bombastic family lives. Speaking as someone that mostly enjoys that too for the other characters.
About the 5 case maybe we could desconsider ashley as final villain. Since APPARENTLY the duology was originally supposed to be one single game. So ashley is more like middle villain
I would say Jezaille is fine. I gotta refresh on your general case 1 thoughts, but I think it's fine that the culprits in them tend to be pretty obvious since I don't think it's any of their intentions at all to have the player think otherwise. The only cases that attempt to hoodwink you on that front are 3-1 and 4-1, and honestly even 3-1 I'd say barely so, since one of the first pieces of dialogue in AA3 is Doug telling Nick and basically the player to beware of Dahlia in the opening cutscene. I guess it's just a "mileage may vary" scenario on how much you care about the series subverting certain trends it has or not. For tutorial cases specifically, its cool when they go big, but i also don't mind them staying true to form. Also in regards to the McGilded and Reapers Curse thing, I mean... Yeah your bro is right, you really could only have one or the other here. But i disagree with both of you in that don't think Eggbert axing McGilded ruins that. The curse is that "defendants tried by Von Zieks end up dead, no matter the verdict in court" how or by who never really mattered. It still falls in line with that establishing why the folks in London believe so. Then I'm pretty sure we start to see it getting put into question by having confirmation Natsume returned to Japan safely in this game anyway, or at least the theory that it doesn't work outside Europe lol. But even then, the foggy nature of the curse falls in line with the era this game takes place in, folks would more easily believe in superstitions such as the reapers curse and all. My point here being, I get the allure of wanting to see more from McGilded as an antagonist, but he was necessary to off in order to add to the Reaper schtick of Von Zieks. Now i still gotta finish GAA2, on the last case iirc. Or close to it at least. On case 4 or 5 iirc. So maybe future knowledge of the whole game shapes your disappointment in it more than mine atm lol.
All I can say about Case 3 is the full game matters. We look at these cases in the perspective of several playthroughs and looking for good tie ins. Setup and follow-through go hand and hand.
I dropped everything I was doing to watch this once I saw it was out. I've replayed this duology a genuine 10 times and hold them as my personal favourite games in the Ace Attorney franchise, so I've been excited to see what you both had to say about them. I think so far I totally understand where you both are coming from in terms of your rankings, and I can't wait to see what the opinions are for Resolve! Another fantastic video!
@@GenAqua we did! I’m working on an Apollo Justice project at the moment so I haven’t played it yet but we bought it! We had to show the tweet of it being released because we had already recorded the line and said that Investigations 2 would never get a true American release, and we had to correct ourselves. XD our timing with ace attorney on this channel is either flawless or terrible and there’s no in between. We came out with the 40 case ranking like a week after TGAA was announced to be coming, and there was this release, but then my Dark Age of the Law Project came out RIGHT as the AJ trilogy was rereleased and people played AJ immediately followed by DD for the 1st time and ACTUALLY saw our points. It’s genuinely hilarious how it keeps working out like this.
@@Kaempfdog I know, right? I bought the Ace Attorney Investigations Trilogy on Steam, but I haven't got to play it yet, cause I'm waiting for my PS4 Controller charging cable to be delivered, cause I'm going to use my PS4 controller to play it on Steam.
@@Kaempfdog I'm sure I will. I played the first Investigations game on the original DS, and pretty much enjoyed it, and I saw some stuff about the 2nd Investigations on you guys's Case Ranking video, and knew I'd enjoy the game if it ever came to the States, so thanks to you and your brother for doing God's work. I also want to get the Apollo Justice Trilogy on Steam as well, when I have the money, cause I haven't played Spirit of Justice yet. Edit: I'm currently on Investigations 1 on the Ace Attorney Investigations Collection, on Case 2.
Oh my god, I have been looking forward for this video since I played The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles! (It's one of the few Ace Attorney games I have actually played instead of watching playthroughs online). This is gonna rock!
I always come back to rewatch these videos every month or so and man that section on case 3 is so true, nearing the end i was genuinely so unsure, and when they were asking about the forged evidence i didnt even know, they set it up so perfectly where the first time around when you play it you probably check the top of the omnibus and dont see the blood, but by the time you find the blood you know you paid zero attention to it earlier and couldve easily missed it, and then they ruin all that by just confirming mcgilded was the killer 3 seconds lateer
Alias names that are catchier than the real names. Didn’t we already have that before? Oh yeah, in 2-3, we had Max Galactica, whose real name is Billy Bob Johns.
The game certainly did give us a treasure trove of interesting and wonderful moments. Sholmes and his whole personality, the spotlight segements (which were rightfully hilarious as each time he had to be corrected) showcased just how off the wall he was (literally in one moment, hanging off a wall hanging). Hosonoga was as always, dutifully thorough, no matter what. And dear Gregson with his eternally full packet of fish and chips :) There were some some genuinely long sections in trials, though. As with any AA game.
Im not a huge fan of this game, but I do enjoy how unique they attempted to be. From ryu not even being a lawyer for a good chunk of the game, to the shattering of the 2 day trial formula, it’s all pretty interesting. And the lack of a “status quo” makes each case interesting to go to in a vacuum, since ryu and susato generally have a different living situation and formula going between case to case
Barok Van Zieks: return to the Old Bailey after many years and face Ryunosuke. Kaempfdog: return to the analysis and ranking of Ace Attorney Cases after 3 years. Also Barok Van Zieks: throw Chalice into the lamp and slam his heel onto the desk because his 1st case since his return is at the lowest position. Also Kaempfdog: get shocked while pleading "Pray forgive the Discourtesy".
I'd love to see a fully updated. Case Ranking video with all of them together. Now that we have basically every game localized and remade. I know you have mentioned where you put them in this video. But it would be great to have 1 video for all of that plus any new thoughts you may have with the remakes. Plus a lot of the time when people mentioned where they put something in a ranking retroactively, it doesn't feel like you actually know where they were as you would when you watch a full video on it. If that makes any sense.
In a second glanze. The Janitors of the court house must really hate von Zieks. As every case he is in causes more work for them as he clutters the floor with glass shards and wine stains.
One thing that might explain why it took until the penultimate case of this game to get to the normal formula is because I'm fairly certain that this and the 2nd game were originally planned as one singular game, but due to I think the size? I dont remember what exactly it was but basically it was originally going to be one larger game, but got split into 2 separate ones
I've been looking forward to this for a long time! Great work on the first half of the ranking: you two never fail to make my day , whether I'm rewatching an older video or watching a new one 🙂 I agree with your placements of the cases here: while I like GTAA: Adventures quite a bit, in isolation, the game's overarching plot and the individual cases don't quite hit hard as other games in the series. The story is still enjoyable, elevated for me by the excellent graphical presentation and soundtrack. It's just not AS fantastic as other games. However, I think it works really well as a set up game to GTAA Resolve and all the excellence therein. And if considering as Chronicles as one longer Ace Attorney package rather than two separate games, Adventures is a solid first half to a very compelling overarching narrative 🙂 P.S: Your descriptions of Sholmes made me literally laugh out loud several times, so thank you for that as well.
@@GentlemanGamer94 I’ve said this a number of times. TGAA has a LOT in common with the investigations games. You can tell how much we love a franchise to praise its LOWER cases as much as we do. And we just say yeah, the competition is STEEP.
Idk if you guys caught on to Ringo and Nash randomly eating Apples and Pears respectively, but it’s a genius idea in their design and why: it’s actually their Japanese names of the fruits they’re eating, so if you didn’t know what they were called in Japanese, welp there you go 😂
Actually their Japanese names are completely different being play on words for things like sleepy and something else, with Skulkin sounding akin to a bad doer type person or smth like that I don't fully remember
@@spazerdazer8421 yeah that’s what I meant, like their localized names are cleverly subtle instead of being too obvious in the usual AA fashion. Like these names (at least their first names) are pretty creative in that it took me a while to figure out the connection.
The two Great Ace Attorney games where meant to be one whole game, but had to be split in two, so the final case of the first game was never meant to be a finale case
While i do agree Mr Eggert is a bit weaker overall, i think his backstory and tradgedy are onr of the heaviest just becaude to me its just a heartwarming if not tragic tale of a poor father trying his best to keep his son on the right path, even if his son has begun to distance himself. Ultimately at the cost of his life and said son must confront that his own mistakes costed him a loved ones life.
I agree with plenty of these but have my own thoughts out of recently playing games some time last year after binging the series and taking a pretty big break. I’ve finished the GAA: Adventures but not Resolve yet right now currently on the last part right before the final adventure. I really love the mechanics of the game and really enjoyed it but looking back realizing some of the flaws and want to share my thoughts adventure by adventure Adventure 1 - As first cases goes it’s one of the better ones with a great story reason for us to be learning the mechanics being someone who knows nothing about the law plus the law system being new to Japan. Getting to see Runo get more confidence as the trial progress is really awesome and shows character progression because as the cases go on you see less and less of his nervous animations. My favorite moment of the whole trial was seeing anytime Runo would do the iconic desk slam at first it was just a weak slap that even he would react to then becoming a powerful slam with his conviction. As far as protagonist he’s definitely up there with my favorites.I enjoyed a lot of the side characters and of course wise to spend more time with them but the story as other things to say. I also found Jerzaille to just be alright looking back not as scary as she seemed just more annoying but unknowing this whole first trial really sets up a lot of mysterious I have still yet to uncover which is pretty cool. Being your introduction to the way this series (plus AAxLayton) did cross examination is a lot of fun and refreshing to have a different way to try and learn info plus get the truth because of how things used to be run in the past. Adventure 2 - I found the fact we have a case which isn’t solved with a trial really fun, as much as exploring just 3 places but in reality just 2 places is pretty boring tho. But the game lets the dynamic of Runo and Susanto start to get settled plus the introduction of Herlock Shomles is so awesome and was so enraptured by him and every appearance he makes in the duology. I like how they just let you get used to how investigations are going to work now with of course as the games continue you can’t really have as short of investigation and trial days anymore so showing you that investigations are going to be pretty long on top of having a Shomles dance of deduction is so much fun to try and see how his logic works and honestly how close he can get if he just has someone to keep him focused (nod to how important his previous partner was) and how Runo can fill in that spot with his own keen observation skills. The whole story itself is just really tragic with a needless death happening because a girl even though she’s in the safest place she can be still didn’t feel secure enough ended up costing the life of our friend and now Runo has to take up the mantle and live up to Kazuma while trying to learn as much as he can in a short period of time. Adventure 3 - Again keeping us on our toes not letting us get settled in yet now we have to learn how the British legal system works and how it differs from the Japanese legal system we are used to. Runo gets thrust into defending a really shady man in McGillied he seems nice on the surface but you can tell he really means no good and its most likely just all for show. I personally think it’s one of the best intros to the rival in the series with the fabled Reaper of the Bailey finally coming back to the courtroom after all of these years because the defense attorney is Japanese. He’s really fun and intimidating with how much he talks down to everyone and his animations. Made me want to learn so much more about him and his reasons for hating the Japanese which we won’t learn in this game. The whole new jury system is awesome with Runo being the first person in a long time to do the jurazation summarization because people just always lose all the time that they think it’s pointless but Runo has the resolve to keep fighting. It’s so funny to have to the jury against each other in order to buy more time and extend the trial so you can keep fighting. My favorite part of this whole adventure is since you weren’t able to visit the crime scene, instead the crime scene is brought to you so you can investigate the crime scene as the trial goes on and you can see first hand of the tampering that’s going on. Personally I don’t think the ending of the trials is a sour note. I doubt anyone playing and closing looking at everything being said and how the stuff pieces together couldn’t figure out that McGillied was full of shit and was going to be found not guilty either way with the way he’s able to extort people. I don’t think there was any reason to leave it grey because it wasn’t grey, clearly he did commit the murder there just wasn’t anyway for him to get out of this one without tampering and perjury and we would have gotten him but the curse of the reaper struck in the first time in a long time. The curse of the reaper I feel is still in tact, it doesn’t matter if he was found innocent he instead got a different from of punishment which was going to be worse than what prison would have done, death. The curse only seems to strike when it’s actual bad guys getting away with things since others we help are able to avoid said curse. I think it’s a great case, maybe not one of the best but definitely the best of the game. Adventure 4 - We finally settle in with the natural flow of a really long investigation followed by the court case. It’s pretty standard affair of guy gets accused of murder and we have to prove them innocent. I liked our defendant in this case. He’s very sympathetic because he’s also a foreigner in a new place where they just have not treated him nicely at all, always being treated poorly and now in this situation because he’s Japanese. A lot of the characters are really funny especially the members of the jury being some of my favorites. It lets Runo see that not everyone he’s going to met be as corrupted as McGillied there are good people out there who need someone to just stand up for them. Adventure 5 - I had a lot of fun with this case, there’s just so much laughs and intrigue to uncover with you having some more suspicions of our Inspector Greyson being very sketchy and out main villain who is so obvious it’s not even funny. Ashley is surprisingly sympathetic with him living in an extremely shitting upbringing and finally was able to make it out by having to do some bad things, trying to do everything to make sure he isn’t in that situation again. McGillied killed his dad who Al thought didn’t treat him right growing up seemed to realize what he did was wrong and even tried to protect him because McGillied was going to kill him either way. It shows how bad of a person McGillied really is and I don’t think there could have been an easy way to have both him and Ashley as both villains in the final part, there’s just no way with how much they hate each other they were going to get each other way before Runo stepped him just depended on when. I also love the comedy in this part with the Skullkin Brothers trying to get Greyson wrapped into their thing and of course using the mechanics of pressing people you aren’t talking to to see that Greyson is going some bad shit and calling him out on it. While I do understand that it can drag I personally never felt that myself and just had a blast. Overall I think the main thing that hurts GAA: Adventure is that it very clearly is set up for a sequel, there are so many lose ends and mysteries to be uncovered with everything going on and I hope to uncover the as I continue playing Resolve. As the game itself I think it’s a breath of fresh air with how much variety you get, it’s not just intro case, investigate, trial investigate trial. It mixes it up with the intro case, pure investigation and then pure trial to really let players get used to all of the new systems and mechanics being thrown at them so they don’t get overwhelmed. To me it kinda seems like they wanted to make both Great Ace Attorney games just 1 really long game but restrictions and time constraints prevented that plus they would make more money selling 2 games rather than 1, reason I say that is again just how connected every single case as been even in Resolve where I’m just about to finish 4 and head into the finale, it’s just 1 huge story being told and was planned like that from the start unlike the original trilogy which was expanded on was the story was being written. Again agree with a lot of what y’all have to say just felt a lot more positive and can’t wait to see your thoughts on resolve once I finish that
say what you will about roly beate (he didnt stand out overly much for me either tbh), but that one line he drops along the lines of "that was the first time i'd ever cursed god" was so unexpectedly fire and hearing it from him of all people was like a sucker punch
I always thought he had some sort of disease as well. Turns out he's actually just having constant allergic reactions. He has an undiagnosed allergy to buckwheat, and his family happens to own a buckwheat soba shop, and because of that, he constantly eats it with leads to him costs we have in the worst reactions. All of this was confirmed and a guidebook. And yes he did come before Geiru.
@Kaempfdog My bad I should've been more specific I mean Satoru Hosonaga. I typically use speech to text and any non extremely english name does not come out right so I just didn't bother sending it. I meant hopes among the( See what I mean that was supposed to be Hosonaga)
@@Kaempfdog Yogi must have stumbled across great grandpa's recipes. Also sorry for the absolute rant I posted on your second part. I just really love these 2 games
@@Raphotron2000 it’s a preference thing. We getcha. Apollo Justice and Dual Destinies are my two favorite games of the 10. So we’re not above making controversial takes. I’ll try to detail later for that comment.
@@CrabMushroom we’re notorious with bad timing ever since these two games were announced to be translated RIGHT as our original ranking was coming out. So I’m happy the inverse happened for someone!
@@Kaempfdog it's actually really funny because this channel has always provided things at the perfect time for me. I found the original 40 case ranking right after finishing the trilogy (the very brief glimpses at what was to come kept me invested for the future games), I found your dark age of the law video at the end of dual destinies, and now this!
That description of the last case is more or less how i feel about the two games, their clearly meant to be played back to back and the cases are structured as such. With Case 5 of Adventures being the middle portion of the story and "third case"
Because we got the GAA games as a collection, it felt more like one ten case game than two five case games. And with how interconnected the cases are, and GAA1-5 feeling more like a midpoint in the overarching plot, it feels like these games are best experienced as a whole package anyway.
@@isenokami7810 we agree. That’s why in part 2 we call the next 5 cases Case 6-10 instead of 2-1 to 2-5. We just point out that makes Case 5 harder to get as a standalone and it does mess with build up of other cases.
@ Makes Case 5 a bit harder to stomach mechanically too: as you mentioned, it is LONG. The way I saw it even at the time: it’s a Case 3 in essence, but it’s technically an end point, so they had to give it Case 5 length and difficulty.
Mc Guilded had to be taken care like that .... i dont get any critic here ... they needed to show the reaper of the baileys real nature and also .. Mc Guilded is still the big bad of the 1. Part of DGS cant convince me other
This is the only time where it you play all.the cases in chronological order where you have to go to a different ganm since most of revelation second case takes place literly the day after the fourth case of adventures.
“Since 2010”? 4 years ago… how time flies. Also, way to rock the new background! …Hold on, [Checks release date for the first two videos] They were released in 2021!
Well if it's just Resolve, you got some time. This video does not include Resolve. (Also I am a bigger fan of 4-3 than most but it just suffered in too many ways. Maybe some rescripting rather than a massive overhaul though was necessary to salvage it.)
@@Kaempfdog My main gripe was how ugly my man Klavier looked in the Serenade itself, but seeing as I haven’t played through any of the cases more than once except for 1-1 and 1-2 and am still yet to play SoJ or VS id probably put 4-3 top 10 (also 2-4 is so overated in my opinion)
These takes man… anyways 4-3 has some pretty dumb writing, especially around the defendant. The serenade is annoying, like the badger but worse. Furthermore, Klavier could have gotten much more development considering his relationship to the killer.
So as I've mentioned before on this channel, TGAA was my first hands-on experience with the Ace Attorney series, and I'll admit, it was a bit disheartening that from what you mentioned about it, you weren't too fond of the games, but that's no reason to be mad, or upset, and you were going to make video's discussing them anyways, so I was excited to hear say your piece on the duology; And I can honestly understand and even agree with most of your criticisms, I can 100% see where you both are coming from, and say you were absolutely valid on your takes, weather I agreed or disagreed, even though it was mostly agreeing, (Which kinda makes me nervous to re-play both of these games, and to hear you talk about Resolve admittedly) and I'm very excited to hear you discuss Resolve, and give my fuller thoughts on both TGAA 1 and 2. I do have two other things to say though. 1, I'm pretty sure the Skulkin brothers are Moreso meant to be references to the Doronbo gang from the Tatsunoko anime, Yatterman, rather than the Mario Brothers, I get what you were saying with that, but when you but both Ringo and Nash next to Tonzura and Boyaky, (The names of the two guys Ringo and Nash look like) you'll 100% see it, the only thing that would've made the reference more obvious though was if they were looking for a sister instead of a brother. And 2, want me to ruin Windibank even more? there's an easy fix to still establish he has a pistol, while leaving out the -Intentional self game over- joke, just have him try and bust a cap in the viola, rather than his own @$$, I just find the idea of a banker who is absolutely willing to destroy peoples stuff to please a customer who currently in the building funny, which also ties into him not being that cowardly, basically saying he's not afraid of the consciences of breaking his clients stuff.
@@SirIsaacFortesque the Skulkins most remind me of the 101 Dalmatians villains. Cruella Deville had 2 henchmen VERY much so like the Skulkins but obviously add a few levels of over the top 1000 fold. This was a tough game to criticize in the beginning and how we saw it as so comparable to the Investigations Duology. It’s why it’s so important to let new things sit with you before just saying it’s the best thing ever. They are both great games, but it’s also hard to breakdown how every individual case lands with the rest of the franchise. And some cases as much as you love them just end up falling short to so many better implemented ideas across…about 2 decades.
Dont wanna rant about too much, but i kinda admire how yall take time to replay each game, for me, any sort of murder mystery game is extremely hard to replay/rewatch, and in this case, im only able to do it if i like the youtuber enough to rewatch from their POV. Then again i have some freakishly unpopular takes about some of these cases, so maybe im just not a good person to judge this stuff. Point is, i find it amazing your able to play any of this series more then once
I feel you. This is one of my favorite game series', but even i gotta wait at least a couple years before replaying any given game. Just how i am with story heavy titles in general, like rpgs. Once i beat it, gotta let that marinate till i forget enough and can go back lol
This franchise is RARELY replayed, and we didn't give replaying much thought because it is easy to invest us in the stories and compel us with the same emotions. But in time, I kept finding crazy amounts of side dialogue NO ONE ever spoke of and went hunting for it only to find incredible amounts of story that no one had seen and could even change the perspective of the story when looked at from different angles hyper focusing on different characters. And then I just HAD to share our findings because of how far deep we went while everyone else mainly has little else but their 1st impressions. And we wanted to advocate for doing so.
The reason those and the Asinine Attorneys from Spirit of Justice aren’t rereleased is due to a certain law in Japan regarding their original release. Something like saying it’s a limited-time purchase for the original game means they can never make it obtainable again, even in another release.
Something I feel that makes the Great Ace Attorney games a bit harder to go back to is the fact that they are the only games in the franchise that don’t really stand up on their own. You have to play both basically one after the other in order to get the whole tale, which, at the end of the day, I do like! The story overall is fantastic! But I think that by being split by two games, which I can only imagine was an even worse experience in their initial releases, the story as a whole suffers from it. It asks for more time and effort from the player in order to give them a completed story. It also leaves some cases to be much weaker on their own without a case from the other game giving them better context, and a fulfilling conclusion. It’s just so hard to get the urge to sit through these compared to something like Dual Destinies or AA1, because a lot of these cases don’t feel satisfying if I just play one game and not the other. I’m very grateful that the collection was released, and experiencing the whole package was a great time, but I couldn’t stop thinking about how weird and disjointed the experience felt until I had finished.
Could just be a result of dev time, system limitations or both at play for why they're like this. But now that capcom is on a much appreciated collection frenzy, they can be enjoyed fairly seamlessly so I'd say it lessens that. Still makes discussing the cases like usual individual cases a bit more complicated than normal, but eh.
To me, this video in a vacuum kinda proves my initial thoughts on the 1st game. If you were unaware, there was an attempt at making a fan translation of The Great Ace Attorney before the collection came out. The team, known as Scarlet Study, got so far as to fully translate the 1st game so always hungry for more AA content, I jumped on it and boy was I PISSED when it ended. The first game is a lot of setup for the 2nd game where you truly get the brilliance of these games and not playing the 2nd game right after only really leaves you to fester on a lot of its issues and make them far bigger. Until the collection came out, I considered Great Ace Attorney 1 to be the worst game of the franchise and to me Chronicles is truly one full game and not a duology because the 1st game doesn’t do enough to justify it existing as a stand-alone.
mc guilded needs to reveal herself at the end if he does not the case ends if he did do it or not .... i mean who wants a case with no resolution at all ?
I’m sorry but putting case 1 of this game bellow big top should be a crime punishable by death Oh and case 3 of this game is my favourite in the entire series and that was placed bellow big top aswell if we needed any more reason to whip out the electric chair
I’ve been waiting for this one! I love this duology, but that’s definitely thanks to playing them back to back as one big game. This one on its own would definitely feel lacking, like it’s just a prelude to the heavy stuff later on in Resolve. So case 5 here to me is more like a mid season finale, rather than a big finish. I don’t have a big problem with that, but in isolation I can see how it wouldn’t work super well. Anyway, I definitely disagree with your opinions on case 3 (Love that one!), and on Graydon (Rotating him in my mind always)...but I’m willing to forgive everything because SKULKIN BROTHERS LETS GOOOOOOOO BEST GUYS 10/10 🍎🍐
Well keep this in mind, we do take in perspective of the entire duology and where the story leads going down the line. And certain reveals got such strong hard cutoffs that didn't need to be there when the possibilities with the ambiguity could lead to an even stronger true finale and better payoffs across the full 10 cases. At least in my perspective.
Great video! I agree with almost all your points. Although I love van Zieks (especially thanks to the second game) and he is my favorite prosecutor. I was disappointed by this game and I even took a year long break during the fifth case because I lost interest. It isn't bad but I expected excellency and it didn't come. The second game made up for it though and knowing the characters twice as long as a usual game really made me care for the cast. I can't wait to see the next video!
I actually disagree a bot on Ahsley Graden. We hear alot about Ginas life in the slums and growing up poor and relyong on pickpocketing. Then Ashley goes and is very much a villain all the way through. But after his breakdown as soon as he spoke about how he hated the slums. And we know exactly what that's like through Gina. He got sympathy from me at least, veey last minute, because he reflects my client. We were fed half his backstory through gina.
Having just finished the Adventure of Runaway Room, I have to say that I agree with your opinions. It's good, but just a big wasted potential, such a pity. Anyway, I suppose the devs killed McGilded at the end to put in motion the "Reaper of the Bailey" subplot, to Ryunosuke to see with his own eyes that it's a thing. Maybe that's why they made McGilded a cartoon villain at the end of the trial. I don't like it, though, I prefer the ambiguity and dealing with McGilded in the fifth case, with Graydon being a sort of mini-boss
@@Posterchild19 and his death would have worked…if McGilded was actually killed by the Reaper, who was LITERALLY SHOWN AT THE SCENE. XD that’s what infuriated us. It was one or the other. McGilded final boss or Reaper setup. And they chose neither. It’s such a headache.
Does anyone else think Ryunosuke's model looks kind of unfinished compared to the others? Especially around the ears and hair it just looks rougher? I guess?
Surprisingly, no. The japanese name for the Von Karmas is Karuma, which is also Kazuma's sword's name. SPOILERS FOR GREAT ACE ATTORNEY 2 In the second game, it's revealed that one disciple of Genshin Asogi (Kazuma's father) took the name of the sword and made it his last name. That nameless disciple is the ancestor to the Von Karmas.
Hi guys! We were spared heart attacks mid development with the ace attorney announcement thank goodness NOT being more to consider for the original ranking. So enjoy this wonderful new project that we had a BLAST making. We loved every moment of this.
Fun fact: Herlock Sholmes was indeed intended to be the OG Holmes. However, the collection was coming out just a couple years before Sherlock Holmes entered the public domain. So yes, it was to avoid a rights dispute with Doyle's estate, but the result is still absolutely hilarious and perfectly on the nose for Ace Attorney.
@@LordEgilYGO oh I asked my dad about the original Sherlock Holmes while making notes about this game and from the sounds of it these games 1000% nailed it.
@@Kaempfdog It's also a nice shout-out to another author that Japan really favors, Maurice Leblanc. Leblanc had to do the same letter switch to get Sherlock to appear in one of his Arsene Lupin novels.
To be specific, Sherlock Holmes, the character, was already public domain, but Sherlock Holmes, the quirky but actually nice guy, wasn't.
@@llSuperSnivyllWait that's confusing so the name is public domain but the character isn't ? So you can have a character name Sherlock Holmes but isn't Sherlock Holmes ?
@@Lucario1121 Until last year, you could use Sherlock Holmes, but not use the characterization Arthur Conan Doyle gave him after Sherlock returned from "death".
Personally, McGilded’s breakdown didn’t make whether or not he was killer as obvious as it seemingly was for you. It definitely established that he wasn’t a good guy, but I was still questioning whether or not he was the real killer until it was explicitly confirmed in Case 5. Because of that, McGilded and the omnibus burning in the end meant to me that the truth would likely never come to light and since the series puts so much thematic importance on the truth, it made the ending feel sinister and unnerving rather than unsatisfying.
For me the difference is the absence of an active villain in there. Everyone comes off as equally unnerved, jumping around with their secrets being directly tied to the murder. And there's so many difficult situations leading to such high stress nerves around. And when he breaks down, with the dramatic angles and scary faces and laugh, no other character had THAT close of a response and considering the subjects, it just screamed at us. He kept switching gears so much it truly felt like his true self snapped out when he did or didn't get his way. Once the breakdown occurred it became "You brought a personal branded knife to this."
I agree about the sinister and unnerving feeling and would have been ok with that sinister and unnerving sense if he was ALIVE. The guilty haven't walked free since Dahlia, and with this guy's resources him slipping through our fingers would scare the living DAYLIGHTS out of me. I would have been scared out of my MIND if Gina stole McGilded's coat using the broker's ticket and the spray reveal occurred. I would IMMEDIATELY start racing in my head, if she's gone rogue of his plan, what does he have in store?! Not to mention an implied grudge match between Van Zieks and the man himself. All of that would have had more purpose if he was alive.
But they also had the OTHER avenue with it literally being the SYMBOL of the Reaper of the Bailey. Would've been nice if it was actually connected to that story ESPECIALLY with McGilded's true motive for the murder. AND the people present.
When NEITHER were picked and we returned to this case, all I saw was potential with strict cut off points. But that's just me.
@@Kaempfdog I, for one, liked the suspense that McGilded's murder created. The suspense of "who is powerful enough to kill McGilded - a billionaire rich enough to fix trials for not premeditated murders - in a court of law? How powerful is this person, or organization"? The suspense of McGilded's killer EASILY trumped any suspense McGilded being free would've created.
But I think we're missing the forest for the trees, here. I don't think case 3 (and especially 5) were intended to be narratives of an epic comeback from impossible odds, as Ace Attorney is basically stereotyped to usually do, at this point - the intention was to tell the tragic tale of the Milvertons, and just how tragically Mason Milverton died. How a poverty-stricken, frail, old man was killed by one of the most powerful and rich people in the country - for no good reason. It's tragic.
Ashleys final words of "All I know is that the disk was taken from him... and he never returned home. " is a gut-punch. The writing in this part was simple, yet it conveyed just how much his father meant to him, and implied just how much his death impacted him.
Essentially, I think that case 3 and 5 was intended to be a tale of poverty, tragedy, and death. And I think that they achieved that intention perfectly. It's why it doesn't FEEL satisfying, because everyone expected the usual, status quo "EPIC LAWYER COMEBACK, BUT X CHARACTER IS SECRETLY EVIL!" narrative that Ace Attorney usually makes. Your expectations were wrong, basically. Not everything has to be in line with your expectations in order to be good, it just has to be... good. And a tragic story of a poor man dying for nothing, is good.
While the ending to case 5 was a bit anti-climactic (as in, it's weak in the whole Reaper conspiracy arc aspect), I think it was still quite a good dual-case arc. It wasn't satisfying as much as it was melancholy. And I think that's good, because the presiding theme of AA:C is that "Justice" doesn't happen, and if "justice" does happen, it's vengeance, rather than Justice. Lynch killings, like McGilded, or the Reaper killings. McGilded facing vengeance for him not facing Justice for killing Milverton is in line with the theme of the game, and I like that. All the while, the Reaper conspiracy is set up for the next game, which I think is a fine-enough conclusion.
I disagree with how you approached the 3rd and 5th case. Maybe it's just me, but you seem to want more 'standart' AA story. Yes, Magnus in any other game could have served as a much more threatening antagonist than Graydon. Yes, 3rd conclusion is unsatisfying. However, I don't think it would quite fit the game's theme. The entirety of Adverntures has this sense of melancholy to it. The killer of the first case can't be properly brought to justice. The second case is an absolutely senseless loss of life. The fourth case shows just how hard life is for average folk (Bobbies, jurors, everyone basically). It makes sense to me that the game will choose anticlimax over a climax then. The Big Bad, Magnus McGilded, is never brought to justice. Ashley Graydon's backstory is perhaps one of the most realistic in AA franchise. He is a person trying to compensate for lack of affection from his parents by money. He basically hordes it like a dragon endlessly, because in reality no matter how much he tries he can never fill the void inside. He shuns the poor to separate himself from his past. And he is a great contrast to Gina, who is literally his polar opposite.
In the end, I feel like the themes of this game like class-imblanace and moving on with what you have fit more in this type of story. Rather than a tale of how young Japanese student takes down a big bad Magnus McGilded.
I disagree with them too but his puts a new light on the game. Very well put and good eye.
video's editor & co-writer here, I actually agree with most of your observations here but I feel like they're all beside the point of our actual problems with cases 3 and 5. the fact that this story isn't told in the "standard" way is in fact a good thing, it's why the case is still higher in our ranking than other more infamous cases like Turnabout Serenade or Turnabout Sisters, and it's also for this very reason that I actually personally disagree with my brother's take that McGilded should've stayed alive (which I didn't challenge as I agreed it would've been more fun than what we got albeit in a different way & given McGilded's evil tirades a purpose, but I know that's not what the game was going for).
the real trouble for us was that they kept undercutting that sense of melancholy and making choices with these characters and reveals that made us not actually care as much about them as much as we potentially could've. they REALLY beat into your head that McGilded is some kind of big bad-type character, so when he dies it again feels like the entire case was all but rendered pointless, there's no loose end left open either since they all but already told us McGilded did it. I believe that if they'd just cut out all those parts going all on-the-nose making McGilded evil laugh and go on all those traditional evil monologues, made it more ACTUALLY ambiguous whether or not he did it, I think his death would've emotionally hit way harder and contributed to that sense of melancholy way more and made you actually feel that lack of justice being served.
meanwhile Graydon's biggest problem isn't as much our lack of sympathy for his backstory, that's subjective and I can definitely see where your interpretation comes from. our biggest trouble with Graydon was that him being McGilded's killer undercuts the emotional stakes of the SECOND game, which is so heavily centered around the mystery of the Reaper, making it so that the Reaper's dirty work never happens to anyone you ever meet onscreen or know the name of. we didn't directly mention this in the video to avoid direct spoilers but this point especially felt like a tease while we replayed the game and saw that Gregson was literally right there on the scene during McGilded's death and was the one who told you about the mystery of the Reaper to begin with in case 4, a missed opportunity right there in front of our faces
Yes I completely agree! That's what I love about this game and why I actually prefer it over the original trilogy (even though I adore those games). There's a sad realness to all of the cases and that feeling follows into the second game too. It felt weird, but interesting, that the final case in the first game is the only time you actually feel like you actually catch a murderer. In the first, the killer gets away with it, in the second the death was a complete accident, in the third your client is the killer and not only does he get away with it but he DIES later on too and in the fourth case there wasn't even an actual death and the 'attempted murder' was a mistake too. The fifth case is really tragic and you summed up my feelings on Graydon perfectly. I thought he was a great antagonist. And I think that killing off McGuilded was a good choice. I remember watching that cutscene with my jaw wide open. His death was so dark and real. You hate the guy, but his death still really solidifies the threat of the reaper for you (at that point in the story). There's just a real sense of unease that haunts the rest of the game. Even when you find out that it was Graydon and not the reaper I don't think that undercuts the threat of the reaper at all. Just because this one death wasn't the reaper it doesn't take the looming threat of it away for me in the second game. I just took it as Graydon getting to McGuilded before the reaper itself.
I love how they really stepped outside the box with the Great Ace Attorney games and their cases. They play with your expectations so well. They kill off important characters after you get to know them, which shocked the hell out of me. They have attempted murder cases as opposed to just plain murder ones , but the themes and stories in those cases are just as compelling. They even have one case that isn't set in a courtroom. In one case one of your clients IS the killer and the way you just gradually exhaust of all possible grains of hope that HE might be innocent is kind of horrifying to experience, just absolute dawning dread (this is why I love Engarde too but the fact that it was Ryunosuke's first client was so unexpected). I just love these games to death. You never know what to expect before starting a new case.
I also believe McGilded's death was to leave fear and weight about the prosecutor. Sure you beat Van Zieks, but a perfect conviction rate wasn't his thing like how it was for most of the other prosecutors. You get the innocent verdict but the Reaper of the Bailey still claims a life. You never actually broke their moniker.
Now, let us all sit down, to hear Kaempfdog and his brother's logic and reasoning SPECTACULAR!
54:05 once again, it is NOT a joke, it is only him showing his dedication to his profession - he would rather die than betray the trust of a client
If you count the Investgations 2 fan translation, this is the third time Ace Attorney made a Patrol name pun.
@@joeyburkhart6602 Paht Rohl, Pat and Roly, and Patricia Roland. I’m thinking what her new name will be. I’m pretty prepared for those actually because I was introduced to names before the fan translation everyone played. 1st name I got was Jennifer Reese.
@@Kaempfdog If I had to choose her new name I would go with someone like Lina Onway.
@@Kaempfdog Her new name was confirmed, she's now Fifi Lagarde.
@@sheogorath6834 oh I actually love that. That’s awesome.
15:34 actually its much funnier than tuberculosis. his family owns a soba shop and he he hasnt realized he has a severe buckwheat allergy
I don't think you gave Ashley Graydon enough credit. He's easily one of the most tragic killers in the series. It was clear that Graydon was traumatized by his harsh childhood, he was so terrified of returning to a life of poverty that he would do ANYTHING to avoid it, clawing his way up to a high ranking job of communications worker and conspiring with McGilded. And his relationship with his father. It was implied that Mason Milverton didn't have the healthiest of relationships with Ashley, borderline neglectful. So when Ashley left, he never looked back. But then over 10 years later, he returns to ask his father a favor, and he's overjoyed to see his son again, more than willing to make the disks for him. And when he found out the true nature of McGilded's dealings, he went in Ashley's stead to protect him, and because of this he was murdered. For what reason we'll never know, maybe Mason tried to force McGilded to leave his son alone?
The line from Ashley says it best:
"I don't know what happened that night, but all I know was my father went to deal with McGilded, and he never came home".
Mason loved Ashley so much that he dealed with McGilded to make sure he wasn't harmed.
And because of this, Ashley swore revenge on McGilded, but to do so, he lied, killed, and nearly got an innocent girl locked away, he effectively became just like the man he hated so much. And with this revalation, Graydon breaks down, not with screaming or wild antics, but with tears, he couldn't take it anymore and the truth finall came out.
And yet his far more memorable traits are his practical dance off with Sholmes, EVERY TIME HE MOVES, and it just makes it THAT much harder to make someone so animated also be the tragic villain and it mixed kinda poorly with one winning out the other. Which is where our misgivings with him lie.
@Kaempfdog I agree that there's a bit of cognitive dissonance with Graydon, but it's also intentional, the flashy and wealthy Eggert Benedict could *never* be that dirt poor boy from the slums Ashley Milverton, could he? It's just another way of Graydon trying to bury his past
It's not just trauma, but also greed. Graydon was deluded into thinking he needed to get away when in reality he desired going a step up in society. If he was simply traumatized he wouldn't have abused the Skulkin's, nor would he have lied to Mason. It was only after Mason died that Graydon truly understood the situation, but instead of reflecting on it he turned it into anger against McGilded and continued to live his delusion of a rich english gentleman. His appearance and animations are not only funny but also purposely exaggerated, as it happens when someone is trying to pretend being someone he is not. This character has a lot of depth, just like Nina. It's honestly kinda sad that people consider McGilded the best villain here, when you consider all that the game has to offer
I think the laughing and the freak out of McGuilded honestly better.
Because of the lack of evidence, you can't 100% say he did it. The freak out and laughing imply that he did, right? But the not guilty verdict is saying that he didn't.
It's this confliction of emotions of one half being like, oh he totally did it. But the other half being like, but there isn't enough proof to completely prove it.
And him dying makes it even better. Because without know what comes later. It almost makes all of this feel final. You don't know if you did the right thing or not. And now that he is dead, you will probably never know. Now you will be forced to wonder for the rest of your life if you made the right choice or not.
Not to mention it's literally said to you at the start ofthe trial if you fail then you show a shit impression of the Japanese attorneys and embarrass yourself
Yessss!!! I have had your cases ranked videos on repeat this past month!!! Have been so excited for this
When I first played the third case, I ended up stopping halfway through the trial, and because my monthly hyperfixation on Ace Attorney was over, I didn't pick the game back up until about a year later, which made the whole "was the omnibus tampered with" part of the trial a lot more interesting to me because I literally forgot.
to be fair, i played the whole trial in one sitting and STILL forgot. the game really doesn't call that much attention to it the first time you look around in there.
For my part i also played the case in one sitting but i noticed the fake blood right away at the beginning of the court session in question, because i always look at all tje evidences at the beginning and the end of each court session.
Fun fact: the TGAA did not come up with the name Herlock Sholmes, this name originates from the book series of books Arsene Lupin, centered the Phantom Thief of the same, which the author Maurice Leblanc wanted to have face off agaisnt Sherlock, but due to copyright had to name him Herlock Sholmes. Also yes I did get this from Persona 5
In defense of Roly, that one night was basically the only night where he got to actually spend time with his wife, only for that to be taken away. So to actually be able to even spend time with her, he did what he did (which although yes, it’s a bit annoying), which makes him more sympathetic.
I didn't like these two at first, but the reveal of what happened to Roly actually broke me. The guy is a devoted policeman in a system that actively breaks him and literally God itself decided he wouldn't have any respite. Among all the unfairness we have seen in the Ace Attorney series, this one really resonated with me.
I think the whole case has an overlying theme of "fate" around it that gives it a bit more depth. The inability to escape what seems like being condemned to misery. You end up destroying the lives of both couples to save Soseki, even though none had really bad intents.
I enjoyed the couple a LOT more than my brother. But didn’t have many constructive compliments compared to his criticisms. And agreed they may have overstayed their welcome. In situations like that the criticisms take the conversation with the one that it bothers more talking about it. That’s why I spearheaded the complaints on Pop Windibank because it actively infuriated me.
I'll admit, I somehow wasn't properly convinced by the evil laugh that Magnus was guilty and needed the bloody overcoat to get the real confirmation.
@@quadrewplex6782 well I’m not in a boat TOO far when my brother explained to me all the foreshadowing of Robin Newman’s big reveal. And then I had to act like yes I DID see all that foreshadowing and it didn’t blow over my head by a mile after playing the game HALF A DOZEN TIMES. But my analyzing has improved a lot over these past few years as well.
Glad someone else wasn’t convinced at that point either
For my part i was totaly convinced of his guilt the first time i saw the fake blood.
hi hi omg i cannot believe i had just found this video!! i really adored the first ace attorney video-- the script, the analysis, the editing, the humor, your personalities-- everything was so amazing and well thought out!! i love dgs soo much, tmi but i actually cried when i found that you guys did a follow up video just for it! im soooo happy thank you guys so much for your work, and i'll be supporting you ^_^
on a separate note i actually want to raise an opposing point of view to the end of the third case;
the main theme of case 1-3 is the questioning of the ethics of a court system and ideology where the ideal defense attorney’s sole aim is to relieve it’s defendant of it’s charges- the defense attorney as a concept was not created with values such as truth or justice in mind, as the japanese characters naively believed at the start. ryuunosuke and co. slowly realize that in court they are de rigueur to the role of being an opposing force to the prosecution first and foremost, bound by position to disregard the truth that begins to unravel, pointing to the obvious guilt of mc gilded. and with this build up of distrust and unease, the breakdown of mc gilded that confirms the player’s suspicions as he shamelessly shows his true colors cements this feeling of dread and despair: is this what ryuunosuke endured that months long trip from japan to britain, the death of his closest friend; the upending of his whole life, for? to exonerate a sleazy, financially abusive, morally rotten murderer?
(and it must be noted that while it is arguable that the trial at least served to ugly his reputation, he is unfathomably wealthy, and he has easily demonstrated his money’s ability to buy out the public’s favor before- so i disagree entirely with that sentiment. + if you observe the behavior of rich people irl you will notice a similar pattern. public opinion is easily swayed, and honestly in of itself means little in the face of money.)
the conclusion of the case leaves the player to contend with the bitter guilt, (ironic, considering the verdict), of releasing a criminal who showed no remorse, who has and will suffer no consequences, back into society. it elicits thoughts of the evils that mc gilded will continue perpetrating as a free, unmonitored man.
-but not for long, because the reaper kills him. now the niggling unease of society’s future under mc gilded’s impact has been quenched; you may rest assured he will not continue to manipulate and abuse innocent people under the radar anymore; his death had the same impact on his society as his imprisonment would have had. great! your mistake has been nullified. but the real question is:
did he deserve that? you now have this new ethical dilemma to consider. he’s ruined many lives, and taken one too, and just about to walk free of it all, he dies. is this the preferable outcome? is what [presumably] van zieks did more just than what you did?
seeing first hand, the law’s insufficiency in recognizing the guilt of a perpetrator, should it be that law is the only avenue to seek justice for a victim? once you’ve defeated the law you become invincible- and is that a principle society should be structured around?
and about the reaper: if your client’s only options are to die or face capital punishment, what should you choose as a defense attorney? should you pick guilty or innocent clients? should you continue to fight for their innocence just for them to face death, or spare their lives in exchange for their future and their trust.
[side tangent but it also brings into question whether or not the reaper’s previous targets were also guilty or not. much to think about at time, before the reaper twist is revealed.]
this case really feels contributes to the emotional atmosphere, especially for the next case. the player is unsure of what their role is as a defense attorney anymore. it is not longer as simple as just “believing in your client”. the corruption expands, and like the london fog it blankets english society; you begin to recognize that it is of a scale magnitudes larger than you as an individual can possible stand up to. but you have no choice but forward, into the uncertainty of your future, treading over the shaky path of your morals.
i argue that what makes the death of mc gilded feel unsatisfying to some is rather that the reaper plot line is essentially never followed through after this case. if i remember correctly, the reaper does not kill another innocent defendant of ryuunosuke’s again, which totally renders the tension built by mc gilded’s death irrelevant. i am of the (possibly controversial) opinion that he should have killed more lol.
the first three cases do wonderfully in mystifying britain and its legal system to the player, which really sets the stage from the perspective of a japanese exchange student who has not been outside the country before. the third case in particular, i argue, does a perfectly well job of painting the british legal system as a hostile and complicated force that by the end, you must change or be changed by.
anyways my point is i’m so excited to finish watching this video and the part 2!! sooo sorry for the long comment, and again thank you so much for creating these, i am so so so grateful for your nuanced, critical and unique opinions on this series
I agree with some opinions and disagree with others. For starters, Van Zieks introduction was amazing. Also they really glossed over Roly. He is more complex than they let on. Dude got pushed around by Pat but the moment she said things she shouldnt have, he either got weirdly stern or pretended to fall asleep again.
Wow the adventures of the run away room that low. Personally I have to complete opposite opinion to you two regarding the case. I definitely agree on the great parts you highlighted but I do disagree that it was disappointing at the end. I thought it was amazing how this guy migilded managed to outplay literally everyone especially you and the moment you point out that the evidence you presented was fake, you immediately know he’s the killer but cannot do anything about it because of how hard you worked to give him a not guilty verdict. And i personally like the fact that he dies at the end, it ties well with the end of the final case and it prevents a lame Excuse for them to make his character worse. His character was only amplified imo because of his actions and impacts upon Ashley Grayden and Gina. If it wasn’t for DGS-3 I would’ve put this game near the bottom of my personal ranking. That’s totally my opinion tho and it’s kinda nice seeing someone have a complete opposing opinion of me.
@@Tutel1234 We have been WELL aware how this case was received by many. And we were bracing for impact on the choice to name it the worst of the 10. Repeat visits on killers between both Kristoph and Dahlia have only ever benefit from them escaping, or escaping their mindsets, and it strengthens them when you chase them THAT much longer with more determination to put them in their place the more context you have. In Magnus McGilded’s case, it was a poor decision to give us such a gigantic scene with Gina and the blood sensory when the guy is completely absent as a threat. Because he’s dead, he can’t be called back to the stand, and they treat it like a this changes EVERYTHING kind of moment. It’s…just really hard to swallow. And we’ll get to why his death in the WAY it happened was also a mistake.
@Kaempfdog
Yeah I understand definitely where your coming from as you are considering replay value as a huge factor in your ranking and I respect that whole heartedly. Honestly it’s acc really cool to see someone see this case as very different from mine and a lot of others and I do get where your coming from on how it is very disconnected with the main plot and I do see where your coming from as being a huge misoppotunity. Nevertheless I still think he pulls this case as amazing in my opinion even with replay value as I saw this case less like a 3rd case and more like a 1st in Britain (similar to 4-1), and while I agree that not being able to cross examine him at the end is a bit disappointing I think in the grand scheme it was to just show the corruption on the British courts and the reaper of the Bailey (even tho it was grayden who did burn it down but that’s not the fault of this case). I see that this case as an introduction for the great ace attorney as a whole not the set up of DGS, so I can see where we differ. but I still think get where your coming from and I’m glad that you did point out the plot holes of DGS. I’m REALLY looking forward to the next instalment in this series and am looking forward :)
My wife loves everything about Van Zeiks, especially how he randomly breaks chalices and promptly apologizes each time.
Love that you've made this two-parter! Just a note that "learned friend" is pronounced "lur-ned friend" and is a traditional way for opposing barristers to address one another in court
I find it absurd that this is the only hint we have so far of anything on Phoenix’s family. 6 main-line games, and we still know nothing of his parents or siblings, even though we did get that for Edgeworth, Apollo, and Athena.
For siblings, he has stated he's an only child, forget which game, i think its AA3. I actually kinda like we don't know about his family beyond Ryunosuke cause unlike, well, all other main attorneys in the series, his immediate family doesn't matter from what little have gotten. They're not part of a grand plot or mystery tied to corruption within the courts, he just comes from regular folk and regular upbringing but still able to be a shoulder to lean on for those with more bombastic family lives. Speaking as someone that mostly enjoys that too for the other characters.
Yay they’re back! Can’t wait for part 2!
About the 5 case maybe we could desconsider ashley as final villain. Since APPARENTLY the duology was originally supposed to be one single game. So ashley is more like middle villain
The Hosonaga rant made me so happy. Love this peculiar guy
I would say Jezaille is fine. I gotta refresh on your general case 1 thoughts, but I think it's fine that the culprits in them tend to be pretty obvious since I don't think it's any of their intentions at all to have the player think otherwise. The only cases that attempt to hoodwink you on that front are 3-1 and 4-1, and honestly even 3-1 I'd say barely so, since one of the first pieces of dialogue in AA3 is Doug telling Nick and basically the player to beware of Dahlia in the opening cutscene. I guess it's just a "mileage may vary" scenario on how much you care about the series subverting certain trends it has or not. For tutorial cases specifically, its cool when they go big, but i also don't mind them staying true to form.
Also in regards to the McGilded and Reapers Curse thing, I mean... Yeah your bro is right, you really could only have one or the other here. But i disagree with both of you in that don't think Eggbert axing McGilded ruins that. The curse is that "defendants tried by Von Zieks end up dead, no matter the verdict in court" how or by who never really mattered. It still falls in line with that establishing why the folks in London believe so. Then I'm pretty sure we start to see it getting put into question by having confirmation Natsume returned to Japan safely in this game anyway, or at least the theory that it doesn't work outside Europe lol. But even then, the foggy nature of the curse falls in line with the era this game takes place in, folks would more easily believe in superstitions such as the reapers curse and all. My point here being, I get the allure of wanting to see more from McGilded as an antagonist, but he was necessary to off in order to add to the Reaper schtick of Von Zieks. Now i still gotta finish GAA2, on the last case iirc. Or close to it at least. On case 4 or 5 iirc. So maybe future knowledge of the whole game shapes your disappointment in it more than mine atm lol.
All I can say about Case 3 is the full game matters. We look at these cases in the perspective of several playthroughs and looking for good tie ins. Setup and follow-through go hand and hand.
I dropped everything I was doing to watch this once I saw it was out. I've replayed this duology a genuine 10 times and hold them as my personal favourite games in the Ace Attorney franchise, so I've been excited to see what you both had to say about them. I think so far I totally understand where you both are coming from in terms of your rankings, and I can't wait to see what the opinions are for Resolve! Another fantastic video!
1:02:43 you forgot the absolute best name in the franchise, Deid Mann
Jesus, it really has already been three years, hasen't it?
Well, here's to another three and a new great video series!
I think we have a NUMBER of years in projects ahead of us
YES! Did you hear about Investigations 2 finally getting an English localization?
@@GenAqua we did! I’m working on an Apollo Justice project at the moment so I haven’t played it yet but we bought it!
We had to show the tweet of it being released because we had already recorded the line and said that Investigations 2 would never get a true American release, and we had to correct ourselves. XD our timing with ace attorney on this channel is either flawless or terrible and there’s no in between. We came out with the 40 case ranking like a week after TGAA was announced to be coming, and there was this release, but then my Dark Age of the Law Project came out RIGHT as the AJ trilogy was rereleased and people played AJ immediately followed by DD for the 1st time and ACTUALLY saw our points. It’s genuinely hilarious how it keeps working out like this.
@@Kaempfdog I know, right? I bought the Ace Attorney Investigations Trilogy on Steam, but I haven't got to play it yet, cause I'm waiting for my PS4 Controller charging cable to be delivered, cause I'm going to use my PS4 controller to play it on Steam.
@@GenAqua fantastic! Enjoy it! It has some of the best…and worst ace attorney has to offer. It’s a well rounded package like TGAA is.
@@Kaempfdog I'm sure I will. I played the first Investigations game on the original DS, and pretty much enjoyed it, and I saw some stuff about the 2nd Investigations on you guys's Case Ranking video, and knew I'd enjoy the game if it ever came to the States, so thanks to you and your brother for doing God's work. I also want to get the Apollo Justice Trilogy on Steam as well, when I have the money, cause I haven't played Spirit of Justice yet. Edit: I'm currently on Investigations 1 on the Ace Attorney Investigations Collection, on Case 2.
Oh my god, I have been looking forward for this video since I played The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles! (It's one of the few Ace Attorney games I have actually played instead of watching playthroughs online). This is gonna rock!
I always come back to rewatch these videos every month or so and man that section on case 3 is so true, nearing the end i was genuinely so unsure, and when they were asking about the forged evidence i didnt even know, they set it up so perfectly where the first time around when you play it you probably check the top of the omnibus and dont see the blood, but by the time you find the blood you know you paid zero attention to it earlier and couldve easily missed it, and then they ruin all that by just confirming mcgilded was the killer 3 seconds lateer
So happy to see an upload from you guys!! Love your videos you do a great job!
Alias names that are catchier than the real names. Didn’t we already have that before? Oh yeah, in 2-3, we had Max Galactica, whose real name is Billy Bob Johns.
i was rewatching your videos again hoping for this one to come out, glad its here!
5:07 The funny thing is that's exactly how I always watch these videos.
Been waiting for this video for 3 years, hyped to see your thoughts on GAA!
The game certainly did give us a treasure trove of interesting and wonderful moments. Sholmes and his whole personality, the spotlight segements (which were rightfully hilarious as each time he had to be corrected) showcased just how off the wall he was (literally in one moment, hanging off a wall hanging). Hosonoga was as always, dutifully thorough, no matter what. And dear Gregson with his eternally full packet of fish and chips :)
There were some some genuinely long sections in trials, though. As with any AA game.
Im not a huge fan of this game, but I do enjoy how unique they attempted to be. From ryu not even being a lawyer for a good chunk of the game, to the shattering of the 2 day trial formula, it’s all pretty interesting.
And the lack of a “status quo” makes each case interesting to go to in a vacuum, since ryu and susato generally have a different living situation and formula going between case to case
Finally! I have been waiting for literally years.
Yes, you're finally covering The Great Ace Attorney cases! :D
Barok Van Zieks: return to the Old Bailey after many years and face Ryunosuke.
Kaempfdog: return to the analysis and ranking of Ace Attorney Cases after 3 years.
Also Barok Van Zieks: throw Chalice into the lamp and slam his heel onto the desk because his 1st case since his return is at the lowest position.
Also Kaempfdog: get shocked while pleading "Pray forgive the Discourtesy".
I'd love to see a fully updated.
Case Ranking video with all of them together. Now that we have basically every game localized and remade. I know you have mentioned where you put them in this video. But it would be great to have 1 video for all of that plus any new thoughts you may have with the remakes. Plus a lot of the time when people mentioned where they put something in a ranking retroactively, it doesn't feel like you actually know where they were as you would when you watch a full video on it. If that makes any sense.
In a second glanze. The
Janitors of the court house must really hate von Zieks. As every case he is in causes more work for them as he clutters the floor with glass shards and wine stains.
been waiting for years...but it's all finally worth it
Holy moley, I never got the pun on Iyesa Nosa...
One thing that might explain why it took until the penultimate case of this game to get to the normal formula is because I'm fairly certain that this and the 2nd game were originally planned as one singular game, but due to I think the size? I dont remember what exactly it was but basically it was originally going to be one larger game, but got split into 2 separate ones
No talk about how the omnibus is called the Phoenix Wright Omnibus even in the original Japanese version?
I've been looking forward to this for a long time! Great work on the first half of the ranking: you two never fail to make my day , whether I'm rewatching an older video or watching a new one 🙂
I agree with your placements of the cases here: while I like GTAA: Adventures quite a bit, in isolation, the game's overarching plot and the individual cases don't quite hit hard as other games in the series. The story is still enjoyable, elevated for me by the excellent graphical presentation and soundtrack. It's just not AS fantastic as other games.
However, I think it works really well as a set up game to GTAA Resolve and all the excellence therein. And if considering as Chronicles as one longer Ace Attorney package rather than two separate games, Adventures is a solid first half to a very compelling overarching narrative 🙂
P.S: Your descriptions of Sholmes made me literally laugh out loud several times, so thank you for that as well.
@@GentlemanGamer94 I’ve said this a number of times. TGAA has a LOT in common with the investigations games. You can tell how much we love a franchise to praise its LOWER cases as much as we do. And we just say yeah, the competition is STEEP.
@@Kaempfdog Precisely! A game in the lower echelons of one of our favorite series is still a darned great game! 👍
Idk if you guys caught on to Ringo and Nash randomly eating Apples and Pears respectively, but it’s a genius idea in their design and why: it’s actually their Japanese names of the fruits they’re eating, so if you didn’t know what they were called in Japanese, welp there you go 😂
Actually their Japanese names are completely different being play on words for things like sleepy and something else, with Skulkin sounding akin to a bad doer type person or smth like that I don't fully remember
@@spazerdazer8421 yeah that’s what I meant, like their localized names are cleverly subtle instead of being too obvious in the usual AA fashion. Like these names (at least their first names) are pretty creative in that it took me a while to figure out the connection.
just found your vids after finishing dual destinies the other day and was thinking this channel was abandoned. very nice timing for me
Oh you don’t have to worry about us going anywhere. We have a LOT of projects ahead. But we’re only 2 people so the projects take long periods of time
I think my favorite characters aside from Sholmes and Iris are Susato and Gina (more so in Resolve but she's great overall).
The two Great Ace Attorney games where meant to be one whole game, but had to be split in two, so the final case of the first game was never meant to be a finale case
Yoooo this promises to be an insane video
While i do agree Mr Eggert is a bit weaker overall, i think his backstory and tradgedy are onr of the heaviest just becaude to me its just a heartwarming if not tragic tale of a poor father trying his best to keep his son on the right path, even if his son has begun to distance himself. Ultimately at the cost of his life and said son must confront that his own mistakes costed him a loved ones life.
I agree with plenty of these but have my own thoughts out of recently playing games some time last year after binging the series and taking a pretty big break. I’ve finished the GAA: Adventures but not Resolve yet right now currently on the last part right before the final adventure.
I really love the mechanics of the game and really enjoyed it but looking back realizing some of the flaws and want to share my thoughts adventure by adventure
Adventure 1 - As first cases goes it’s one of the better ones with a great story reason for us to be learning the mechanics being someone who knows nothing about the law plus the law system being new to Japan. Getting to see Runo get more confidence as the trial progress is really awesome and shows character progression because as the cases go on you see less and less of his nervous animations. My favorite moment of the whole trial was seeing anytime Runo would do the iconic desk slam at first it was just a weak slap that even he would react to then becoming a powerful slam with his conviction. As far as protagonist he’s definitely up there with my favorites.I enjoyed a lot of the side characters and of course wise to spend more time with them but the story as other things to say. I also found Jerzaille to just be alright looking back not as scary as she seemed just more annoying but unknowing this whole first trial really sets up a lot of mysterious I have still yet to uncover which is pretty cool. Being your introduction to the way this series (plus AAxLayton) did cross examination is a lot of fun and refreshing to have a different way to try and learn info plus get the truth because of how things used to be run in the past.
Adventure 2 - I found the fact we have a case which isn’t solved with a trial really fun, as much as exploring just 3 places but in reality just 2 places is pretty boring tho. But the game lets the dynamic of Runo and Susanto start to get settled plus the introduction of Herlock Shomles is so awesome and was so enraptured by him and every appearance he makes in the duology. I like how they just let you get used to how investigations are going to work now with of course as the games continue you can’t really have as short of investigation and trial days anymore so showing you that investigations are going to be pretty long on top of having a Shomles dance of deduction is so much fun to try and see how his logic works and honestly how close he can get if he just has someone to keep him focused (nod to how important his previous partner was) and how Runo can fill in that spot with his own keen observation skills. The whole story itself is just really tragic with a needless death happening because a girl even though she’s in the safest place she can be still didn’t feel secure enough ended up costing the life of our friend and now Runo has to take up the mantle and live up to Kazuma while trying to learn as much as he can in a short period of time.
Adventure 3 - Again keeping us on our toes not letting us get settled in yet now we have to learn how the British legal system works and how it differs from the Japanese legal system we are used to. Runo gets thrust into defending a really shady man in McGillied he seems nice on the surface but you can tell he really means no good and its most likely just all for show. I personally think it’s one of the best intros to the rival in the series with the fabled Reaper of the Bailey finally coming back to the courtroom after all of these years because the defense attorney is Japanese. He’s really fun and intimidating with how much he talks down to everyone and his animations. Made me want to learn so much more about him and his reasons for hating the Japanese which we won’t learn in this game. The whole new jury system is awesome with Runo being the first person in a long time to do the jurazation summarization because people just always lose all the time that they think it’s pointless but Runo has the resolve to keep fighting. It’s so funny to have to the jury against each other in order to buy more time and extend the trial so you can keep fighting. My favorite part of this whole adventure is since you weren’t able to visit the crime scene, instead the crime scene is brought to you so you can investigate the crime scene as the trial goes on and you can see first hand of the tampering that’s going on. Personally I don’t think the ending of the trials is a sour note. I doubt anyone playing and closing looking at everything being said and how the stuff pieces together couldn’t figure out that McGillied was full of shit and was going to be found not guilty either way with the way he’s able to extort people. I don’t think there was any reason to leave it grey because it wasn’t grey, clearly he did commit the murder there just wasn’t anyway for him to get out of this one without tampering and perjury and we would have gotten him but the curse of the reaper struck in the first time in a long time. The curse of the reaper I feel is still in tact, it doesn’t matter if he was found innocent he instead got a different from of punishment which was going to be worse than what prison would have done, death. The curse only seems to strike when it’s actual bad guys getting away with things since others we help are able to avoid said curse. I think it’s a great case, maybe not one of the best but definitely the best of the game.
Adventure 4 - We finally settle in with the natural flow of a really long investigation followed by the court case. It’s pretty standard affair of guy gets accused of murder and we have to prove them innocent. I liked our defendant in this case. He’s very sympathetic because he’s also a foreigner in a new place where they just have not treated him nicely at all, always being treated poorly and now in this situation because he’s Japanese. A lot of the characters are really funny especially the members of the jury being some of my favorites. It lets Runo see that not everyone he’s going to met be as corrupted as McGillied there are good people out there who need someone to just stand up for them.
Adventure 5 - I had a lot of fun with this case, there’s just so much laughs and intrigue to uncover with you having some more suspicions of our Inspector Greyson being very sketchy and out main villain who is so obvious it’s not even funny. Ashley is surprisingly sympathetic with him living in an extremely shitting upbringing and finally was able to make it out by having to do some bad things, trying to do everything to make sure he isn’t in that situation again. McGillied killed his dad who Al thought didn’t treat him right growing up seemed to realize what he did was wrong and even tried to protect him because McGillied was going to kill him either way. It shows how bad of a person McGillied really is and I don’t think there could have been an easy way to have both him and Ashley as both villains in the final part, there’s just no way with how much they hate each other they were going to get each other way before Runo stepped him just depended on when. I also love the comedy in this part with the Skullkin Brothers trying to get Greyson wrapped into their thing and of course using the mechanics of pressing people you aren’t talking to to see that Greyson is going some bad shit and calling him out on it. While I do understand that it can drag I personally never felt that myself and just had a blast.
Overall I think the main thing that hurts GAA: Adventure is that it very clearly is set up for a sequel, there are so many lose ends and mysteries to be uncovered with everything going on and I hope to uncover the as I continue playing Resolve. As the game itself I think it’s a breath of fresh air with how much variety you get, it’s not just intro case, investigate, trial investigate trial. It mixes it up with the intro case, pure investigation and then pure trial to really let players get used to all of the new systems and mechanics being thrown at them so they don’t get overwhelmed. To me it kinda seems like they wanted to make both Great Ace Attorney games just 1 really long game but restrictions and time constraints prevented that plus they would make more money selling 2 games rather than 1, reason I say that is again just how connected every single case as been even in Resolve where I’m just about to finish 4 and head into the finale, it’s just 1 huge story being told and was planned like that from the start unlike the original trilogy which was expanded on was the story was being written. Again agree with a lot of what y’all have to say just felt a lot more positive and can’t wait to see your thoughts on resolve once I finish that
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say what you will about roly beate (he didnt stand out overly much for me either tbh), but that one line he drops along the lines of "that was the first time i'd ever cursed god" was so unexpectedly fire and hearing it from him of all people was like a sucker punch
Its been 84 years
I always thought he had some sort of disease as well. Turns out he's actually just having constant allergic reactions. He has an undiagnosed allergy to buckwheat, and his family happens to own a buckwheat soba shop, and because of that, he constantly eats it with leads to him costs we have in the worst reactions. All of this was confirmed and a guidebook. And yes he did come before Geiru.
@@Raphotron2000 who’s he? Natsume?
@Kaempfdog My bad I should've been more specific I mean Satoru Hosonaga. I typically use speech to text and any non extremely english name does not come out right so I just didn't bother sending it. I meant hopes among the( See what I mean that was supposed to be Hosonaga)
@@Raphotron2000 so he’s the Whet Noodle #1 or #0? That’s good stuff. Inspector Hosanoga continues to be a legend.
@@Kaempfdog Yogi must have stumbled across great grandpa's recipes. Also sorry for the absolute rant I posted on your second part. I just really love these 2 games
@@Raphotron2000 it’s a preference thing. We getcha. Apollo Justice and Dual Destinies are my two favorite games of the 10. So we’re not above making controversial takes. I’ll try to detail later for that comment.
NO. WAY.
I JUST finished the first TGAA game. Oh my god. This could not have come at a better time.
@@CrabMushroom we’re notorious with bad timing ever since these two games were announced to be translated RIGHT as our original ranking was coming out. So I’m happy the inverse happened for someone!
@@Kaempfdog it's actually really funny because this channel has always provided things at the perfect time for me. I found the original 40 case ranking right after finishing the trilogy (the very brief glimpses at what was to come kept me invested for the future games), I found your dark age of the law video at the end of dual destinies, and now this!
That description of the last case is more or less how i feel about the two games, their clearly meant to be played back to back and the cases are structured as such. With Case 5 of Adventures being the middle portion of the story and "third case"
Because we got the GAA games as a collection, it felt more like one ten case game than two five case games. And with how interconnected the cases are, and GAA1-5 feeling more like a midpoint in the overarching plot, it feels like these games are best experienced as a whole package anyway.
@@isenokami7810 we agree. That’s why in part 2 we call the next 5 cases Case 6-10 instead of 2-1 to 2-5. We just point out that makes Case 5 harder to get as a standalone and it does mess with build up of other cases.
@ Makes Case 5 a bit harder to stomach mechanically too: as you mentioned, it is LONG. The way I saw it even at the time: it’s a Case 3 in essence, but it’s technically an end point, so they had to give it Case 5 length and difficulty.
Small correction: it's hosonaga not hosonoga
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Mc Guilded had to be taken care like that .... i dont get any critic here ... they needed to show the reaper of the baileys real nature and also .. Mc Guilded is still the big bad of the 1. Part of DGS cant convince me other
This is the only time where it you play all.the cases in chronological order where you have to go to a different ganm since most of revelation second case takes place literly the day after the fourth case of adventures.
Now then, let us engage in the art of deduction and create a great analysis to The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles, my dear fellow Mr. Kaempfdog.
We had lions roaming in our house causing delays. Thankfully a quick cannon purchase solved all of life's problems.
“Since 2010”? 4 years ago… how time flies. Also, way to rock the new background!
…Hold on, [Checks release date for the first two videos] They were released in 2021!
The good old days of 2010. We had to put a few projects on hold for this. We are thrilled the time has come!
had an absolute double take when i saw this notification lol
Shit. I still haven’t finished resolve. Also Turnabout Serenade is fucking amazing and you can’t tell me otherwise.
Do it now. It's some of the best Ace Attorney has to offer
@@shawnshock8651Ehh I couldn’t care for spoils at this point, already happened before
Well if it's just Resolve, you got some time. This video does not include Resolve. (Also I am a bigger fan of 4-3 than most but it just suffered in too many ways. Maybe some rescripting rather than a massive overhaul though was necessary to salvage it.)
@@Kaempfdog My main gripe was how ugly my man Klavier looked in the Serenade itself, but seeing as I haven’t played through any of the cases more than once except for 1-1 and 1-2 and am still yet to play SoJ or VS id probably put 4-3 top 10 (also 2-4 is so overated in my opinion)
These takes man… anyways 4-3 has some pretty dumb writing, especially around the defendant. The serenade is annoying, like the badger but worse. Furthermore, Klavier could have gotten much more development considering his relationship to the killer.
1 hour long on my favourite video game? ‼️‼️🙏🙏🙏
So as I've mentioned before on this channel, TGAA was my first hands-on experience with the Ace Attorney series, and I'll admit, it was a bit disheartening that from what you mentioned about it, you weren't too fond of the games, but that's no reason to be mad, or upset, and you were going to make video's discussing them anyways, so I was excited to hear say your piece on the duology; And I can honestly understand and even agree with most of your criticisms, I can 100% see where you both are coming from, and say you were absolutely valid on your takes, weather I agreed or disagreed, even though it was mostly agreeing, (Which kinda makes me nervous to re-play both of these games, and to hear you talk about Resolve admittedly) and I'm very excited to hear you discuss Resolve, and give my fuller thoughts on both TGAA 1 and 2.
I do have two other things to say though. 1, I'm pretty sure the Skulkin brothers are Moreso meant to be references to the Doronbo gang from the Tatsunoko anime, Yatterman, rather than the Mario Brothers, I get what you were saying with that, but when you but both Ringo and Nash next to Tonzura and Boyaky, (The names of the two guys Ringo and Nash look like) you'll 100% see it, the only thing that would've made the reference more obvious though was if they were looking for a sister instead of a brother.
And 2, want me to ruin Windibank even more? there's an easy fix to still establish he has a pistol, while leaving out the -Intentional self game over- joke, just have him try and bust a cap in the viola, rather than his own @$$, I just find the idea of a banker who is absolutely willing to destroy peoples stuff to please a customer who currently in the building funny, which also ties into him not being that cowardly, basically saying he's not afraid of the consciences of breaking his clients stuff.
@@SirIsaacFortesque the Skulkins most remind me of the 101 Dalmatians villains. Cruella Deville had 2 henchmen VERY much so like the Skulkins but obviously add a few levels of over the top 1000 fold.
This was a tough game to criticize in the beginning and how we saw it as so comparable to the Investigations Duology. It’s why it’s so important to let new things sit with you before just saying it’s the best thing ever. They are both great games, but it’s also hard to breakdown how every individual case lands with the rest of the franchise. And some cases as much as you love them just end up falling short to so many better implemented ideas across…about 2 decades.
BYE THE WAY HE RAN 😭😭😭53:52
38:55 ?? am i going crazy or is this not in literally every single ace attorney case?
Holy fuck it's finally out I'm exicted
Ayyyyy It's finally here!
its here!!
1:07:06 I mean, Mcgilded could've faked his death.
why would he need to do that
Dont wanna rant about too much, but i kinda admire how yall take time to replay each game, for me, any sort of murder mystery game is extremely hard to replay/rewatch, and in this case, im only able to do it if i like the youtuber enough to rewatch from their POV. Then again i have some freakishly unpopular takes about some of these cases, so maybe im just not a good person to judge this stuff. Point is, i find it amazing your able to play any of this series more then once
I feel you. This is one of my favorite game series', but even i gotta wait at least a couple years before replaying any given game. Just how i am with story heavy titles in general, like rpgs. Once i beat it, gotta let that marinate till i forget enough and can go back lol
This franchise is RARELY replayed, and we didn't give replaying much thought because it is easy to invest us in the stories and compel us with the same emotions. But in time, I kept finding crazy amounts of side dialogue NO ONE ever spoke of and went hunting for it only to find incredible amounts of story that no one had seen and could even change the perspective of the story when looked at from different angles hyper focusing on different characters. And then I just HAD to share our findings because of how far deep we went while everyone else mainly has little else but their 1st impressions. And we wanted to advocate for doing so.
haha I'm not freaking out, you are freaking out haha
Pray forgive the discourtesy
For the record I would watch this video if not for the fact I haven't played the game yet
What WASN'T localized in GAA2 were the Asinine Attorney DLC cases which remain strictly in Japan for whatever reason.
The reason those and the Asinine Attorneys from Spirit of Justice aren’t rereleased is due to a certain law in Japan regarding their original release. Something like saying it’s a limited-time purchase for the original game means they can never make it obtainable again, even in another release.
@@eeveeon4081Huh. At least the SoJ ones were localized.
What russian revolutionaire? He is a turist and ballistics expert
Something I feel that makes the Great Ace Attorney games a bit harder to go back to is the fact that they are the only games in the franchise that don’t really stand up on their own. You have to play both basically one after the other in order to get the whole tale, which, at the end of the day, I do like! The story overall is fantastic! But I think that by being split by two games, which I can only imagine was an even worse experience in their initial releases, the story as a whole suffers from it. It asks for more time and effort from the player in order to give them a completed story. It also leaves some cases to be much weaker on their own without a case from the other game giving them better context, and a fulfilling conclusion. It’s just so hard to get the urge to sit through these compared to something like Dual Destinies or AA1, because a lot of these cases don’t feel satisfying if I just play one game and not the other. I’m very grateful that the collection was released, and experiencing the whole package was a great time, but I couldn’t stop thinking about how weird and disjointed the experience felt until I had finished.
Could just be a result of dev time, system limitations or both at play for why they're like this. But now that capcom is on a much appreciated collection frenzy, they can be enjoyed fairly seamlessly so I'd say it lessens that. Still makes discussing the cases like usual individual cases a bit more complicated than normal, but eh.
@@MagillanicaLouM Yeah, I’m grateful for the collection, even if it is a big beefer of a thing to sit through.
Iris is a Pokémon character and no pne will convince me otherwise.
To me, this video in a vacuum kinda proves my initial thoughts on the 1st game. If you were unaware, there was an attempt at making a fan translation of The Great Ace Attorney before the collection came out. The team, known as Scarlet Study, got so far as to fully translate the 1st game so always hungry for more AA content, I jumped on it and boy was I PISSED when it ended. The first game is a lot of setup for the 2nd game where you truly get the brilliance of these games and not playing the 2nd game right after only really leaves you to fester on a lot of its issues and make them far bigger. Until the collection came out, I considered Great Ace Attorney 1 to be the worst game of the franchise and to me Chronicles is truly one full game and not a duology because the 1st game doesn’t do enough to justify it existing as a stand-alone.
im so glad everyone agrees hosonaga is fantastic
mc guilded needs to reveal herself at the end if he does not the case ends if he did do it or not .... i mean who wants a case with no resolution at all ?
The reveal could have been delayed for later on the game
I’m sorry but putting case 1 of this game bellow big top should be a crime punishable by death
Oh and case 3 of this game is my favourite in the entire series and that was placed bellow big top aswell if we needed any more reason to whip out the electric chair
I’ve been waiting for this one! I love this duology, but that’s definitely thanks to playing them back to back as one big game. This one on its own would definitely feel lacking, like it’s just a prelude to the heavy stuff later on in Resolve. So case 5 here to me is more like a mid season finale, rather than a big finish. I don’t have a big problem with that, but in isolation I can see how it wouldn’t work super well.
Anyway, I definitely disagree with your opinions on case 3 (Love that one!), and on Graydon (Rotating him in my mind always)...but I’m willing to forgive everything because SKULKIN BROTHERS LETS GOOOOOOOO BEST GUYS 10/10 🍎🍐
Well keep this in mind, we do take in perspective of the entire duology and where the story leads going down the line. And certain reveals got such strong hard cutoffs that didn't need to be there when the possibilities with the ambiguity could lead to an even stronger true finale and better payoffs across the full 10 cases. At least in my perspective.
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Great video! I agree with almost all your points. Although I love van Zieks (especially thanks to the second game) and he is my favorite prosecutor. I was disappointed by this game and I even took a year long break during the fifth case because I lost interest. It isn't bad but I expected excellency and it didn't come. The second game made up for it though and knowing the characters twice as long as a usual game really made me care for the cast. I can't wait to see the next video!
I actually disagree a bot on Ahsley Graden. We hear alot about Ginas life in the slums and growing up poor and relyong on pickpocketing. Then Ashley goes and is very much a villain all the way through. But after his breakdown as soon as he spoke about how he hated the slums. And we know exactly what that's like through Gina. He got sympathy from me at least, veey last minute, because he reflects my client. We were fed half his backstory through gina.
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Having just finished the Adventure of Runaway Room, I have to say that I agree with your opinions. It's good, but just a big wasted potential, such a pity. Anyway, I suppose the devs killed McGilded at the end to put in motion the "Reaper of the Bailey" subplot, to Ryunosuke to see with his own eyes that it's a thing. Maybe that's why they made McGilded a cartoon villain at the end of the trial. I don't like it, though, I prefer the ambiguity and dealing with McGilded in the fifth case, with Graydon being a sort of mini-boss
@@Posterchild19 and his death would have worked…if McGilded was actually killed by the Reaper, who was LITERALLY SHOWN AT THE SCENE. XD that’s what infuriated us. It was one or the other. McGilded final boss or Reaper setup. And they chose neither. It’s such a headache.
ryonoske narahado
Does anyone else think Ryunosuke's model looks kind of unfinished compared to the others? Especially around the ears and hair it just looks rougher? I guess?
Barok is supposed to be an ancestor of Von Karma so sure he looks and acts same
Surprisingly, no. The japanese name for the Von Karmas is Karuma, which is also Kazuma's sword's name.
SPOILERS FOR GREAT ACE ATTORNEY 2
In the second game, it's revealed that one disciple of Genshin Asogi (Kazuma's father) took the name of the sword and made it his last name. That nameless disciple is the ancestor to the Von Karmas.
@@m0n5a80 Mhmm....strange well is he then Edgeworth Ancestor ?
@@felixleidig8307there is a guy who put him in Edgeworth's suit. They look so close. He has to be Edgeworth's ancestor.
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