INCREDIBLE results with LADIES driver shaft!
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2021
- The average golfer tries a ladies 45 gram driver shaft and also tests a 60 gram stiff driver shaft to compare the results, Does a shaft make a difference in a drivers performance, will club head speed increase with a lightweight shaft?
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I am still playing regularly at 84 years old. I recently was fitted with 12 degree driver with a 40g shaft. The improvement in my driving has been enormous
My golf buddy, now 81, has had a rough season this year.He's struggling with club control. I went bargain hunting last month and bought him a set of ladies clubs at bargain basement pricing! Happy B"day Sam! I cannot believe how much better he's doing on the course! Finally has a big "ole smile on his face!He loves the lightness of the clubs.
Your videos are very informative, with none of the hype & theatrics that some of the other golf channels find necessary.
At my age (75) & based on your test findings I'm going to a ladies shaft on my driver, & hybrids. As a weekend golfer, I firmly feel the average high handicapper shouldn't carry irons, (1-6) they will never master them & will only drive up their score & aggravation! I carry a 7, 9, & PW that gets me around the course in peace!🙂
Very creative out of the box test! Thank you
We all get older - and even if we find ourselves playing more, doesn't mean we keep our speed just because we keep our fitness. I'm just back from a Titleist National Fitting Center fitting for the new T100s (I'm a current AP2 player with X-stiff and heavy Rifle 6.5 shafts). With the new T100S 7-iron head, my ball speed went from 112mph with a 120-gram shaft to 118mph with a 100-gram shaft - that's 6mph gain for 20grams. You may not think it's real, but the data doesn't lie -162 carry became 170 and gained 15 peak height
Very good information Andy. Thanks. Definitely something for me to try with my current driver.
You beat me to the issue. This week I grabbed my wife’s RAC oversized #7 with a lite UG and soft tip shaft. Hit some of the most promising iron shots in a long time. The (data) results speak for themselves. Excellent piece.
Loved this video, as always very informative and honest, keep up the great content.
I switched to the Epic Flash Star driver and woods this year. I had been playing the Mavrik, and loved those. But the lightweight, more flexible Epic Flash Star clubs are in a league of their own. They spec out much like the ladies shaft you tried. I added 10-20+ yds on my drives and greatly increased consistency with my woods. I liked them all so much that I just ordered the 25 degree 11W and 15 degree 3W. The hybrid is coming out of the bag because I find the light woods so much easier to control and strike pure.
I've definitely been tinkering with different configurations, nice easy swing with a shorter whippy shaft is money for my driver. Just have to relax enough to let the club head do the work
Gotta do a thing on grips….. I’m 65 & have been using a midsize grip for many years now
Just took a leap to Jumbo Max Lite grips (like Bryson’s) on my irons. Working well…..stopped me thinking about my hands too much
Now considering woods & hybrids….
very interesting. Thanks for this video
I am 41 with a slower swing speed started with a hand me down RAM set from a church garage sale. I am just starting to upgrade and added a Cobra FMax iron set in Regular Flex 60 gram graphite shafts with Medium grips and love them! The lighter shafts compared to the old steel ones are so much easier for me to swing. No pride issues here just use what works!
Great stuff, Andy. I’m a shaft tinkerer and my experiences have taught me that the mind and body soon accommodate shafts of most weights and flexes and your swings adapts to suit the shaft. I play an 85g X flex but I can hit my son’s 50g regular flex a not dissimilar distance on a good strike. Fascinating stuff… 👍🏻
"the mind and body soon accommodate shafts of most weights and flexes" Thank you. I've been saying this for 25 years. Within reason, and for the most part, the minutiae of gear specs don't really matter because our brains will figure out the best way to use the tool we're using.
Hi Andy,
Just curious what shaft model is the ladies shaft you used in this video.
I had a kind of similar experience when just for fun I installed some 45 gram senior shafts in some heads and it was very interesting.
I am normally somewhere between regular and stiff in my irons.
Anyways I got great results… feel… dispersion and distance improvements with 45 gram senior shaft.
Thanks,
Vern
Andy I have to Ping's fitting center in Phoenix and got fitted several years ago and while I played somewhat better I found while Ping did a good job they are recommending what they have in shafts available for their clubs, and not necessarily what was good for me. I had a club fitting at Club Champion a month or so ago, and what happened was they kept my Ping G410 heads and went with a 40 gram Fujikura Vista Pro IR 40 gram R2 shafts in my irons, B21 3&4 Hybrids and 54 & 60 bent to 58 wedges Cleveland wedges. I also play with the 3 &5 Cobra Air Speed FMax Offset with 45 Gram lite shafts, and the distance I picked up in all the clubs is amazing.
Am 39 got fitted for some irons and he tried a senior flex graphite shaft didnt really want to try it but ended up with then in my new irons and i have so much more control with my irons
I've recently been fitted for a SIM2 driver with smoke green hulk shaft and the fitter added weight to the clubhead. I didn't like or hit the driver well prior to the swing weight increase. After we settled on the swing weight he added hot melt and what a difference. I don't see anything on youtube about altering drivers for fitting this way for improvement. You should try, you might see some gains in distance, accuracy and feel as I have.
My swing speed is very similar to yourself, 98/100mph so always interest in the results you get. I was on a trackman last weekend because I had bought a 2nd hand Mizuno ST200X with a 50g CK series flex A shaft. I hit my present driver , an Epic with a tour AD IZ6 stiff shaft and also with a handcrafted Project X yellow 60g shaft, and a Kura Kage tini 50g stiff. I noticed it was easier swinging the Mizuno with the light shaft than the Epic with the Project X and Tour AD IZ. What was noticeable was when I put the Kura Kage TiNi 50g stiff shaft in the Epic it became easy to swing and I picked up about 5 yards. Interested in getting a 45g shaft and comparing that now
Very interesting stats. I've seen the the difference lighter shafts make, but wot you don't see, is when getting fit Most to all fittings don't try different weighted shafts.
By the way what hcp are you on, just curious.
Took couple years out of playing from injuries. Came back and played a senior driver shaft for 4 months, then into a regular, now in a softer feeling stiff shaft... found when you want to go after a shot it just leaks all over the place.. constancy is key for me.
There are so many variables in shaft stiffness from different manufacturers as well. What is XS in one might be S in another. I agree weight does make a difference. I can't swing whippy flex shafts - I plough the club into the ground as my hands get to far in front, but a stiffer shaft and I get through no problem.
Shaft is everything, in my younger days I had an s300 in the 1 iron. Not anymore, now it has lovely project x. You are absolutely correct, if you want to play at your max, you need the best shaft for you.. and this will change over time.
Absolutely
My experience is the same as David. I am 72 Yrs with a recurring back problems and a driver swing of around 80mph. The 'A' flex 50 gram shaft has added at least 15 yds + to my drives. I was just fitted yesterday for x2 hybrids, again with 'A' flex shafts. . My new 4 hybrid with an A flex shaft is going further than my old 5 wood with a regular flex shaft. The main benefit for me is being able to swing easy, with less stress on my back. Which is going to keep me playing golf for many years to come. Also, try the new Cleveland woods. Great price and performance 👍🏻
I recently went down to regular shaft in driver as I slowed my swing speed to focus on plane and face at impact . . . I would definitely try this out . . . what stigma on ladies/men’s . . If it works, it works! I think the current terminology on tees abandons, men’s ladies and it’s just red, yellow, white etc
I beg to differ. You change not calling the “red tees” the ladies tees. But, they are still the ladies tees. These women to me are pretty foolish. They don’t like the ladies tees called the ladies tees, but they still play from the ladies tees. Changing the name from ladies to forward tees solves what? Ego people, it solves ego on the ladies part. Do you want to guess who wanted this name change?
I've played a 60-70 gram stiff driver shaft since graphite became the thing back in the 90s. Driver has been my best club since I can remember but this last season I was not getting as much out of it as normal. I'd seen a couple videos about lightweight more flexible shafts that intrigued me so I bought an Evenflow Riptide CB 40, 45 gm std length shaft. I can say without a doubt the results are great. I am bombing it again as it perfectly matches up with my Cobra Aerojet LS driver. Give it a try!
Good stuff Andy! I think the bigger difference is the shaft length. Liam, over at Golfmates, put in a 5wood reg shaft into his 3wood and was cracking it. The big difference was the length.
This makes sense as club makes promote the longer shafts to advertise longer club distance. In the late 1970s to early 1980s, the most common length for a men's driver was 43 inches. Back then, the typical 3-iron for men was 38.5 inches with all other irons decreasing in half-inch increments to the wedges. So current women's iron length is what men's length was back then.
Another challenge, Back in Time club testing. Test a newer set of clubs but to standards from 30-40years ago. I remember starting out not having issues with hitting my long irons but now who is confident hitting a 3 iron vs hybrid?
So true about shaft length Brent
I use an XXIO 10.5 deg driver fitted with the standard SR (stiff regular) shaft weighing 45gms. Find that I hit the ball straighter and 15 - 20 yards longer than my previous Titleist driver and it is almost effortless and less tiring.
I knew you'd hit the ladies shaft further but what shocked me was the tighter dispersion! I'll give this a try, cheers.
I had Cleveland Driver @10 yrs ago with a 39G Stiff shaft. Really killed it...
It’s what you feel comfortable with, at my fitting device said I was a 120gram iron player. Tried Ping 425 irons with that weight shaft and started laughing, it was more like playing golf with a sledge hammer! Regardless what the data said, I was more comfortable with 95g True Temper Elevate.
Shaft length was my biggest difference, 1/2 inch off irons Hybrid and a full inch off driver
Agreed
Kind of the same here. Was fitted into i210 with a 120g shaft. Trusted the fitter and ordered them and then I had to force myself to play them for 50+ rounds before I gave up on that heavy shaft. Just couldn't make it work past 7-8 holes but since i had the spent the money 🤔. Will be forever missed my i210's. Although my sub70's are also great.
What’s the make and model of the ladies shaft you tried in this video?
Hi I use a men's 45 gram shaft on my M6 driver and I find it helps me hit it further with petty good control. PS I can't do a fast swing as I will probably not have control of the head.
Another brilliant video , from the ladies shots through to the stiffest shafts do they all start at the same weight levels going to the heaviest ,and in a normal fitting would you expect the fitter to try different length shafts as well as weights ,kick points and stiffness
It is about find that happy point for your swing agreed
I just switched to 50 gram shafts in my woods and 65 gram iron shafts. What a difference I’m more accurate and hit the ball much farther now! Don’t discount going lighter with your shafts.
great review
Just changed to 45grm driver shaft same carry more accurate, gone to 5 wood only with a lite shaft only a few yards shorter and more accurate than the 3 wood with the fitted shaft, answers the question 🤔👍
I went to my local big box store to hit a few drivers. I pulled what I thought was an S Flex Ping G425 Driver and a few others. I was hitting the Ping very well and farther than the rest. After closer inspection it wasn’t an S flex, it was an SR flex! My normal swing speed is around 100 mph as well! I think that is partly why that people that use/test that pricey Autoflex shaft have such good results. Even their X and XX shafts are very light and flexible. They are just branded as that flex even though there is no industry standard. My wife said that women’s clothing designers do the same thing giving women larger sizes but labeling them as smaller lol
All very well if you can swing easily and smoothly. To me as a 61 year old I make Rahm look like Freddie Couples! I actually swing my driver at 95 mph and have just had my shaft rechecked on my new driver as I was completing my swing too early and not timing my drives as I had no 'feel' for my clubhead. Consequently I was changed from a 50g reg to a 60g stiff. Horses for courses.
Just got the 0211 pxg driver with a 45g shaft standard length as a 67 year old never hit the ball as straight consitantly without trying to force the swing
I used to play stiff shafts years ago,but as I've got older and (sadly) swing speed has reduced I've dropped back to regular shafts.A couple of months ago some one at our club had the misfortune to break the shaft on their driver and the head with about 5/6 inches of shaft was left in locker room I made enquires as to whose it was ,no one knew so after a month of it lying about one of our committee members said if you want it take it or it's getting binned.I took it and removed broken shaft and replaced with a 50 gm ladies shaft (just to try out after having read an article which basically said many golfers could improve their game by using ladies clubs if they got rid of their pride and ego....Well I think that could be somewhat true as I have hit some good shots with it (baring in mind conditions over the last month or two.....Further testing to be resumed...
Try with an A flex shaft miayazki 43 grams .I love this shaft
I dropped to the distanza 40g shaft for my ping g425 and got it shortened by 1". Works a treat with decent length and consistent dispersion. I just wish it was black.
I couldn't get on with that wet noodle
What shaft is the 45g shaft? Regular flex?
I’ve loved your series on using lighter shafts. Your theory is quite sound. I’m in my early 70s and have had multiple surgeries through my mid-section plus a broken left wrist this spring. It’s been tough regaining strength in my left/lead arm and regaining speed and rhythm through the torso. I am currently testing a Tour Edge E721 7-iron with ladies’ shaft. Not yet working for me, but I’m going to add some tennis player’s tape to the grip to approach jumbo size. You might think about exploring grip sizes also. I came to golf through tennis and have to resist an over-active right hand. I find the jumbo grips help me quiet the roll of the right hand.
Think of a karate chop in transition with right hand you want roll over .
@@BamaPaul That’s a good image and I appreciate it, but I have to admit that it’s easier said than done. I played a LOT of tennis till age 45 when a knee injury took the tennis away cold turkey.
Great video at 52 I changed to graphite iron's in April and love them, I've looking for driver and fairway woods with lighter shafts but the only one's I can find is the titleist TSI1
There are quite a few light shafts out there Mark, Ping G425 do a 40g distanza shaft
@@TheAverageGolfer thanks Andy Ping would always be my first choice so I'll definitely be chasing that one up. Cheers
Look at the Big Bettha B21 hybrids and fairway woods
Wow something to think about
Off to try a 40g shaft soon 👍
My nephew is a decent golfer. He decided to buy a better driver and got a used one. It wasn't until he got home that he realised it had a ladies flex shaft. He hits the driver 30 to 40 m longer than his regular. He kept the ladies flex.
I went from a 65g reg shaft to a 47 g "senior" shaft and gain distance and like you surprisingly dispersion decrease...
I'd be curious to know what the swing weight is on the club with both shafts. I think the 60 gram is going to have a higher swing weight because of the shaft weight (+15 grams) and the extra inch of length. My guess is the 60gram is more like D1/2 and the 45 gram is like C7/8. That makes a huge difference in how it feels.
I may have missed it (😞) but what specifically was that 45 gram ladies shaft? (Mfg/model)
Can you please share the exact make and model of shafts you used? TIA!
Andy, try the G425 Max with the 40g Distanza shaft! I have them in my fairways woods as well!
Will try John 👍
I agree, the Distanza shaft in my G410 5 wood is amazing. So straight, easy to launch, very good distance. Like the Airspeeder shaft in my SIM2 driver - similar weight, same characteristics
Let’s face it - there’s a lot of ego involved in golf, and most males play heavy, stiff shafts cuz’ that’s what they see the pros playing. Even if you showed them the data that they’d be much better off with lighter, more flexible, graphite shafts (even in their irons), most guys still wouldn’t switch.🤔
They'd all say "I like the lower ball flight as I play a windy links course" 😂
So true. Autoflex try that. Incredible
Another great video Andy. I am 70 was playing a 40 gram 12 degree senior shaft. My club head speed is 75 mph. I went for a Gen4 PXG fitting and found 15 more yards in a 12 degree hazardous yellow 60 gram stuff shaft. You need to be fitted. The fitter said if I used a 9 degree loft the 40 gram senior shaft would work. Fitting makes the difference.
Hi, can you clarify the overall length of the driver with the ladies shaft, please.
I just turned 35, and I switched from 60 gram stiff Hazardous to a 50 gram regular Evenflow and the results have been remarkable with both distance and dispersion.
Which evenflow shaft did you get?
I just got a 55 gram alida regular shaft I just released the club so much better
I just changed from a 45" Ventus Blue stiff shaft to a Grafalloy Pro Launch Blue 45gm. 45.5" stiff shaft. My drives are now 20 yards longer than they were.
If it feels good and it works then put it in the bag. Back in the day, hickory shafts didn’t have weights or specs a player just went with what felt right.
Andy, I really think that the average golfer should play with clubs similar to the ladies. Most golfers are likely closer to the stats of them than of regular mens in IMO. Especially those with slower swing speeds.
Just moved to 35gm shaft with better results and recovery of lost length.
As a senior golfer I am delightedly
Just subscribed .. thank you sir
I know this already since 10 years ago, I am playing a Roque driver, with 50 gr shaft Regular and since 6 years ago also 1 Inch shorter, no lost of distance, but always finding fairwys
I game the Mizuno ST200 driver with the Diamana Red 50 gram regular shaft. I've been going lighter shafts for the last 10-15 years. I'm the same age as King Kenny.😛
My hero....Kenny not you Mel
What about grip size?
Bobby Jones achieved the Grand Slam in 1930 playing really soft hickory shafts when his closest rivals were playing steel shafts. His club head speed was around 113mph.
Now this clip is finally here. Seniors are moving to Ladies flex.
Andy why not try something like the Recoil 440 ES F1 which is 45 grams and 45 inches long? Also would love to see you try the lightweight shafts in irons.
From a 60 years plus male golfer, it’s a Senior shaft Andy not a ladies shaft. Made a big difference to my game!
Glad to hear bud
Taylormade is offering the Speeder 45 as a standard option on the Stealth. Torque is up in the sixes witch is pretty much a women's shaft.
Ping Alta Cb regular shaft 55 gram 45 1/2 inch vs Mitsubishi tensei orange stiff 65 gram 1 inch shorted, my distance, control and dispersion with the tesei is a no brainier for me.
I've just ordered a brand new ladies flex Cobra King F8 hybrid for £48 delivered! Second hand they're going for £75-100 so even if it doesn't work out for me I'll get my money back and more.
When are you starting ‘speed training And’ Just got myself the Albatross one from eBay. £32 and good quality to boot
Mr. Average- You were testing two changes: shaft length and shaft flex. So unfortunately we don't know which factor (or both) were important. Maybe you could test equal length shafts of the different flexes to see for sure?
I'm 74 with a 13 index. Just bought a Callaway AI Smoke driver with a 40 gram ladies flex shaft.... best golf club I have ever owned. Don't let your male egos get in the way of playing equipment that is best for you. My friends all want to hit my driver now but none of them will swallow their pride and get a club that is right for them.
They make a club "as seen on TV" that uses a slightly smaller driver head with a senior shaft and it is also just a wee bit shorter than a normal driver shaft. Much easier to hit and control, in my humble opinion
Put a 40g Diamana in my B21 Bertha, 1/2 inch shorter. Really helps my swing.
I can imagine
Would you recommend taking an inch of the length of my driver shaft as am 5f .1 but would that make the shaft stiffer
I believe it does affect the shaft but in my opinion very minimal, shorter driver shaft is a good idea for most golfers
@@TheAverageGolfer thanks for prompt reply. Will talk to the pro at the range tomorrow.
Just looked at this video and have seen others like it. Your spin rate is too high and if you deloft the club the spin will come down which should result in more distance. I recently built a ladies shaft and the first go round didn't get the results that I was hoping for. The weight was around D4 and with this set-up it needs to be lighter, shortened the club to 45 inches which brought it into the C range, I will be going to a virtual range to try it out.
I believe the 40g shaft will outperform however I'm wo during about dispersion between shafts.
i've done a lot of testing with different weight and flex shafts. It is no myth. The flex needs to match the club head speed. THere have been many discussions on this. Some say that to weak of a flex will cause the the shaft to load and unload too soon causing the ball to go low left. Too stiff, right fade. For me, and I have hit them all, too weak of flex causes a weak fade. Too stiff a low and left shot. With a regular and senior shaft I get good distance with horrible dispersion. If I swing hard I can even get a double flex when jumping at it at the top. If it lines up and 2nd flex unloads at the right time, I can hot bombs. But that is one in 20 or less. When I was younger and faster that would happen with Reg flex. Now with slow swingers like you that only carry it 220 and 240ish total, who knows. You may have slow enough club speed to be able to use a ladies flex.
Nice feedback
I also tinker with shafts. But only spent the big bucks one time and that was only 65 bucks for a driver shaft. I'm 71, and play a mix of flexes and weights. Ladys and senior ln my driver and woods and my new favorite is a cobra shaft I found for 10 dollars a peice. Incredible for me. Finnaly broke 80 for the first time. How you modify and set up the shaft makes a big difference also.
Shaft length is the main point , Liam (golf clogs ) stuck a 5 wood shaft in a 3 wood head and it has completely changed his game hitting it so consistent. Would like to se your view or a vid on this
Ive done it a few times Mark and recently the mini driver is effectively the same principal
Was the club head a men’s or a woman’s ? There is usually a 10 to 15 gram difference in weight of the heads. Men’s heads being the heavier one.
No mention of swing weight comparison...same driver head with different weight shafts would need weight added to the grip for a better comarison
do you think a lighter shaft in fairway woods would also give you better results than a heavier shaft too ?
Yes , I have tried it on my 7 wood. It’s great and the distance is unbelievable.
Custom fitting is not available in my country. Should I give up playing golf!!!
Shaft flex and profile is definitely important to an experienced golfer. But new golfers don't need to be fitted. Give them a reg or lady flex shaft and they will do fine. Use the money for green fees
Before I watch the video, I reckon you will get as fast club head speed, higher ball flight and slightly less control.
INDEED! I switched my shafts to 45gr. on my Ping driver, 3 wood, and 3 hybrid. Made a BIG difference to me. VISTA PRO 45-R2
Where did you buy the lightweight shafts??
@@gerrycampbell2031 at my local golf range They're FUJIKURA 45-R2. U probably can get them online- good luck
Where can I buy these ladies shafts?
PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION
I'm just wondering, aren't a senior shaft and a woman's shaf very similar? That is what I have always been told. Let me know. Maybe it is time to think about senior shafts for your golf clubs.
60gr stiff for the past 10 years, now you have me thinking ! 15 gr three teaspoons of sugar !!!
I had gone to get fitted and they suggested a heavy stiff shaft, I told them that I grew up playing R shafts and had had the best results, so I requested to try a regular shaft and they refused to even let me try. Go figure!
Getting fitted takes the adventure out of figuring it out for yourself. I've spent a ton of money figuring it out but what an adventure it has been. I probably know more about how to set up clubs than most pros. It's all in your swing and that dictates what you should play. Everyones swing is different. I have perfected my swing. Now I'll spend years trying to repeat it over and over again.
Last driver fitting senior shaft recommend, mistake lost distance, control,too light should have stuck with stiff.
Did you not get custom fit Mike?
@@TheAverageGolfer custom fitting is not really available in our area Northern Canada, the golf store has a mat,a net and you can swing a couple of brands, then you order. Shafts are standard from the manufacturer that you try. Like the channel,love the single malt.
mike thompson what a shame hope you het back to a driver your happy with
@@TheAverageGolferat the end of a round we laugh ,shake hands, have a pint, see you tomorrow, it is only 4 holes with the driver and it is only +7 c good Scottish weather.
I love a shorter shaft in my woods..
You should try out the Autoflex shaft. It is crazy.
That’s what I don’t understand oem’s spend thousands on rda on the club heads then farm out the shafts to other company’s makes no sense
You basically played an Autoflex shaft labeled as a ladies flex shaft.