i've been watching lots of youtube videos on climbing and knot tying, and this is easily the best presentation of the flip method i've seen. couldn't get it from any of the other videos, you show it close, clear, and slow. Thank you
I looked at in in slow motion 3 times to see what was going on but basically hes flipping two bites, one in each hand. This is great because I could never really remember the traditional way
I think I'll start using this overhand flip method. In Boy Scouts, they taught us how to tie with a modified flip method using one hand, in case we were drowning and needed to tie on when thrown an end of the line. For what it is, the bowline is a surprisingly hard knot to master, especially in unusual orientations. After a little head scratching I've concluded it is because there are four common variants of the bowline. It has chirality, so there is a left hand and right hand bowline, and for each of those there is a cowboy and standard configuration. In the end, it is easiest to learn how to tie one variant, practicing from different angles.
Been trying to figure out the flip method of tying a bow- not much success with other vids - with your vid I have finally got it. Great vid and thanks for explaining it..
Hands down the best way to tie a bowline. It's how my Dad taught me to do it now close to 60 years ago. I always remember my Mum joking about the damn rabbit & the tree and how the rabbit always seemed to be going the wrong way (or something like that)! I probably use the bowline more than all the other knots I use combined, well perhaps not quite, but in first place by a wide margin.
Great explanation sir! I can see why people would struggle with tying the “rabbit-in-the-hole” method when hanging in a weird position in the tree, because the loop has to be an underhand loop when you’re tying it away from yourself, plus it can be confusing if you are so used to fishing your tail end around one side & then have to do it on the opposite side.
Dude. I've been doing tree work for 17 years. I teach my groundies the bunny in the hole and I use the flip up in the tree. Tied that way so many times it's like robotic! I've never seen anyone else do that flip method and I honestly didn't even know it was a thing I thought I was the only one LOL
It's so interest that the first thing they taught is in sailing school was to tie a bowline around ourselves with one hand while the other hand was keeping the standing end under tension as if we were in water trying to tie the loop around or waist. The trick was not to let the know catch our wrist. You do the whole knot in one smooth motion and you do the flip while holding onto the working end. It's so ingrained into my mind that I find other methods quite difficult 😅
When I was doing my Boatmasters Certificate in New Zealand, during the one-on-one exam I did a bowline the conventional way and the examiner taught me this way. So much better. Also you can do it with one hand and he used the example of being overboard and having a rope thrown to you. You could put the rope around your body and while holding the rope with your left hand do the bowline with the right.
Love ❤️ it. Can you do the running bowline to secure the limb you're about to cut using the dog leash technique where you catch the limb vs letting it fall. Then obviously you'd release the limb & drop it in a more favorable location. If not the running bowline then how'd you do this dog leash technique? TIA
Easier yet Patrick, is to hold a 3-4 inch tail of rope in your fingers, wrap your wrist around the running length to make the loop, then with just your fingers wrap the tail around the trunk as you called it to then pull the tail back through the loop as you withdraw your wrist back out of the loop; (whoalla !!!), you have just tied a bowline with one hand. This is easy and useful especially if you have an injured hand. hbwink
Thank you for the tutorial. I have a question regarding my school work. The question asks which knot is best to tie in the middle of a line: a figure 8 or a running bowline? Any input & education from you would be greatly appreciated!
Would love to see things like what kind of pull forces applied by vehicles and machinery, mini skid etc. I am also interested in loads of climbing srt vs drt. Angles of ropes when pulling or rigging are very interesting as well!
Do you have a video showing the bottom anchor point where you can incrementally add tension. Also need this for a long rope where you have lots of excess on the end. Thanks to all on advance. I found some methods, however you need the end of the rope.
This is great, I'll practice it until it's committed to memory. However, what knot and method would be applied to rescue an animal from, say, frozen ice or one in the sea?
Going to put this to the test tomorrow for a smallish tree I need to top before I can fell it. It has some branches i need to clear away or it will get hung up.
It worked wonderfully using some Arborplex and natural crotch rigging! I ended up using the loop with a carabiner to quickly cinch and lock branches to be lowered. Once it was topped I used my Maasdam rope puller to get the tree line tight up top through a natural crotch with it anchored at the base since it had large vertical cracks and at least 8 inches to a foot of lean directly at a building. I put a conventional face cut on it with a half inch to an inch higher back cut and let the rope puller do the work and it went exactly towards the face cut where I wanted it within less than a foot of my target. The rope puller was inside of the angle of the face cut but 30 to 40 degrees adjacent to the intended drop zone and it went flawless. The rope helped hold the tree in one piece for the fall and it stayed together till it hit the ground.
I like the flip better in stage rigging the bowline is the knot we use to lift anything over head if for a moment or all day i ad a cats tale for long periods
What kind of rope should I buy for felling and srt, I'm trying myself to climb and I'm in need of a good starter rope for multiple roles, something that won't get hard with friction from a blake's hitch and could take some weight for a drop, any advice helps thankyou
Hey brother, there's an old saying that I heard many years ago... 'climbing and rigging lines are like wives and girlfriends... may they never meet....' Which is to say that one of the first rules you learn about ropes in tree work is that you never use your climbing rope for rigging. It's essential that you have a second rope for rigging. Rigging can expose a rope to tremendous forces that can severely weaken it, it's a concept called cycles to failure. Check out this page on my website for some fundamentals: www.educatedclimber.com/language-of-the-ropes/ Best of luck to you! - Patrick
I would be more inclined to stick with the idea of spilling the overhand knot rather than flipping it. A carrick bend has to be spilled to set properly after being initially tied as a weave. A square knot (reef Knot) can be spilled into a larks head.
Having tied the Bowline loop (originally it was a fork for steering a rectangular sail, tied with a seaman's knot - from the side of the sail) on a support or in your hands, pull the root end of it - and the running tail itself will show how it will be *more convenient* to lie in a one-and-a-half (One loop is fixed with a Double tie), or Yosemite Bowline - because an ugly knotted knot by definition cannot be *reliable.* If it *seems* to you that a Sliding Bowline based on Yosemite (removing the tail from the loop with its additional clip with the loop of the loaded branch) is not reliable enough - knit a Cowboy one, starting with a simple stopper, which should be immediately wrapped between the index and middle fingers - as is done when tying a Honda loop * (the best * for getting a Lasso - because it becomes almost perpendicular to the rope flying to the target of the trap loop). Завязав петлю Булиня (изначально им была вилка для управления рулевым прямоугольным парусом, связанная Шкотовым узлом по-матросски - со стороны паруса) на опоре или в руках, потяните за неё и коренной конец - и ходовой хвостик сам покажет, как ему будет *удобней* лежать в полуторном (Одна петля фиксируется завязкой Двойного), или Йосемитском Булине - потому что уродливо завязанный узел по определению не может быть *надёжным.* Если же вам *кажется,* что Скользящий Булинь на базе Йосемитского (удаление хвостика из петли с его дополнительным зажимом петелькой нагруженной ветви) недостаточно надёжен - вяжите Ковбойский, начав его с Простого стопора, который следует сразу обтянуть между указательным и средним пальцами - как это делают при завязке петли Хонда *(лучшей* для получения Лассо - поскольку она становится почти перпендикулярно верёвке летящей к цели ловчей петли).
I love the idea of the rabbit. This means something to me, in my tiny brain. It's an easy way to remember how to make the knot.
I learned to tie a bowline using this method in sailing 40 years ago, i found it much easier than the rabbit hole routine
i've been watching lots of youtube videos on climbing and knot tying, and this is easily the best presentation of the flip method i've seen. couldn't get it from any of the other videos, you show it close, clear, and slow. Thank you
That is great to hear, thanks for leaving a comment, I really appreciate it!
- Patrick
Hell yeah man,educate our industry.Keeping things simple and straightforward 👍🏼
I’m an ironworker apprentice and have bin struggling with these two knots for about a week, now I finally got it. Thank you so much 💪
Talk about advanced knots I tried for a month to figure out what you were doing there but I got it now...brilliant !
I looked at in in slow motion 3 times to see what was going on but basically hes flipping two bites, one in each hand. This is great because I could never really remember the traditional way
great job man, this is hands down the best explanation of flip method I've seen, thanks!
Wow! It's been explained so many times before in so many ways, but this entire video was perfect. The "flip" method. Wow wow wow wow wow! 👏👏👏
I think I'll start using this overhand flip method. In Boy Scouts, they taught us how to tie with a modified flip method using one hand, in case we were drowning and needed to tie on when thrown an end of the line. For what it is, the bowline is a surprisingly hard knot to master, especially in unusual orientations. After a little head scratching I've concluded it is because there are four common variants of the bowline. It has chirality, so there is a left hand and right hand bowline, and for each of those there is a cowboy and standard configuration. In the end, it is easiest to learn how to tie one variant, practicing from different angles.
New lexicon addition: "chirality". Thanks!
Been trying to figure out the flip method of tying a bow- not much success with other vids - with your vid I have finally got it. Great vid and thanks for explaining it..
Awesome, thank you! Pass it along!
Thank you, thank you thank you! At last a method I can do every time without “tying myself in
Knots”!!
Thank you! , very nice , and very clear. After practicing it a bit , it is so quick to do.
Your video has made it so much easier to practice !
Thanks for taking the time to illustrate this so clearly. Very useful.
I use the running bowline all the time so can tie it pretty quick now, il be tying faster than you can blink with this technique! Thanks 👍
Hands down the best way to tie a bowline. It's how my Dad taught me to do it now close to 60 years ago. I always remember my Mum joking about the damn rabbit & the tree and how the rabbit always seemed to be going the wrong way (or something like that)! I probably use the bowline more than all the other knots I use combined, well perhaps not quite, but in first place by a wide margin.
Great instructions for me on a new way to tie the bowline. Thank you!
Finally I found the way I've always been taught. I see other videos that had me doubting my own personal muscle memory. Thank you i feel vindicated.
Thanks brother - Patrick
You are greatness in the form of man. Thank you for this video!
Great explanation sir! I can see why people would struggle with tying the “rabbit-in-the-hole” method when hanging in a weird position in the tree, because the loop has to be an underhand loop when you’re tying it away from yourself, plus it can be confusing if you are so used to fishing your tail end around one side & then have to do it on the opposite side.
Dude. I've been doing tree work for 17 years. I teach my groundies the bunny in the hole and I use the flip up in the tree. Tied that way so many times it's like robotic! I've never seen anyone else do that flip method and I honestly didn't even know it was a thing I thought I was the only one LOL
Wow even faster and easier than the "roll it twice, over itself" method because that needs to be dressed when cinching or it can go wrong. Cheers!
It's so interest that the first thing they taught is in sailing school was to tie a bowline around ourselves with one hand while the other hand was keeping the standing end under tension as if we were in water trying to tie the loop around or waist. The trick was not to let the know catch our wrist. You do the whole knot in one smooth motion and you do the flip while holding onto the working end. It's so ingrained into my mind that I find other methods quite difficult 😅
Well articulated and a GREAT method for that knot(s)! Thank you!
You make it so simple and clear. Thank you.
Beautiful technique!
Thanks for the video. Well illustrated and explained.
Very informative and easy way ..perfect ❤
Thanks.. For me the key to this is your statement "grab it" (referring to the working end in motion) at the end of the flip!!!
Nicely explained & demonstrated..thanks
When I was doing my Boatmasters Certificate in New Zealand, during the one-on-one exam I did a bowline the conventional way and the examiner taught me this way. So much better. Also you can do it with one hand and he used the example of being overboard and having a rope thrown to you. You could put the rope around your body and while holding the rope with your left hand do the bowline with the right.
Great video! Thanks
I still like the rabbit hole method, solid method for me and is very simply applied in different scenarios
It can get confusing though when you are tying it around a fixed object and you are trying to do it away from yourself
How do people even thumbs down these videos, great videos keep it up.
Excellent !
Waaaay easier! Thanks for sharing 👍🏼
Love ❤️ it. Can you do the running bowline to secure the limb you're about to cut using the dog leash technique where you catch the limb vs letting it fall. Then obviously you'd release the limb & drop it in a more favorable location. If not the running bowline then how'd you do this dog leash technique? TIA
Great explanation!
Got it. Now to practice so it’s second nature.
Thank you!
Right on !
Easier yet Patrick, is to hold a 3-4 inch tail of rope in your fingers, wrap your wrist around the running length to make the loop, then with just your fingers wrap the tail around the trunk as you called it to then pull the tail back through the loop as you withdraw your wrist back out of the loop; (whoalla !!!), you have just tied a bowline with one hand. This is easy and useful especially if you have an injured hand.
hbwink
Hey brother. What rope are you using in this demo and what mm. Thanks for the free education. Really love your contain.
Thank you for the tutorial. I have a question regarding my school work. The question asks which knot is best to tie in the middle of a line: a figure 8 or a running bowline? Any input & education from you would be greatly appreciated!
Would love to see things like what kind of pull forces applied by vehicles and machinery, mini skid etc. I am also interested in loads of climbing srt vs drt. Angles of ropes when pulling or rigging are very interesting as well!
This is all over UA-cam. Search "break test" with any knot.
I'll never know why they did not teach this way in Cub Scouts. My life has changed.
Love it.
Do you have a video showing the bottom anchor point where you can incrementally add tension. Also need this for a long rope where you have lots of excess on the end. Thanks to all on advance. I found some methods, however you need the end of the rope.
Thanks very much excellent
This is great, I'll practice it until it's committed to memory. However, what knot and method would be applied to rescue an animal from, say, frozen ice or one in the sea?
Good stuff
awesome
FANTASTIC!! BRAVO
Going to put this to the test tomorrow for a smallish tree I need to top before I can fell it. It has some branches i need to clear away or it will get hung up.
It worked wonderfully using some Arborplex and natural crotch rigging! I ended up using the loop with a carabiner to quickly cinch and lock branches to be lowered. Once it was topped I used my Maasdam rope puller to get the tree line tight up top through a natural crotch with it anchored at the base since it had large vertical cracks and at least 8 inches to a foot of lean directly at a building. I put a conventional face cut on it with a half inch to an inch higher back cut and let the rope puller do the work and it went exactly towards the face cut where I wanted it within less than a foot of my target. The rope puller was inside of the angle of the face cut but 30 to 40 degrees adjacent to the intended drop zone and it went flawless. The rope helped hold the tree in one piece for the fall and it stayed together till it hit the ground.
newbie here, stay connected
Cool 😎 stuff thumbs 👍 up
Haha! Nice! I like this.
nice .... thanks
So the running bowline is a girth hitch through the bowline loop
What are these 2 knots normally used for?
I like the flip better in stage rigging the bowline is the knot we use to lift anything over head if for a moment or all day i ad a cats tale for long periods
What kind of rope should I buy for felling and srt, I'm trying myself to climb and I'm in need of a good starter rope for multiple roles, something that won't get hard with friction from a blake's hitch and could take some weight for a drop, any advice helps thankyou
Hey brother, there's an old saying that I heard many years ago... 'climbing and rigging lines are like wives and girlfriends... may they never meet....' Which is to say that one of the first rules you learn about ropes in tree work is that you never use your climbing rope for rigging. It's essential that you have a second rope for rigging. Rigging can expose a rope to tremendous forces that can severely weaken it, it's a concept called cycles to failure. Check out this page on my website for some fundamentals: www.educatedclimber.com/language-of-the-ropes/
Best of luck to you! - Patrick
@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM,
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Boline on a bite. Great video
Bowline on a bight is a totally different knot. Very useful, very different.
@@keithklassen5320 yesir I stand corrected. Running bowline... thanks
Thanks!
Yes Robert, this is one that confuses countless people. Practice it this way and you will be years ahead of most. Cheers! Patrick
I would be more inclined to stick with the idea of spilling the overhand knot rather than flipping it. A carrick bend has to be spilled to set properly after being initially tied as a weave. A square knot (reef Knot) can be spilled into a larks head.
hi, great know, the first serious video where I got it to not slip and close it self tight.
Marline spike hitch to bowline is by far the easiest method. Would anyone care for a video?
I can't seem to get this method, it's driving me mad!!!
The regular way works just as well of course, I just prefer tying it this way! - Patrick
EducatedClimber It's the flip part i can't get. I learn things slowly through musclw memory, maybe it's because i'm a bit slow!
EducatedClimber I got it eventually, i had to refer to another knot tying resource on youtube. I found the trick is to keep the tail short.
🤯🤯🤯
Anyone can explain the tree in his house?
👍
Really only works if you're using a big floppy limp rope that gravity will assist you with.
So with a tree with no tie ins you can do this and then climb from it?
basically the only way to tie the bowline "one handed". (see vids showing that - same basic technique)
I started climbing in 05 but this never occurred to me
Having tied the Bowline loop (originally it was a fork for steering a rectangular sail, tied with a seaman's knot - from the side of the sail) on a support or in your hands, pull the root end of it - and the running tail itself will show how it will be *more convenient* to lie in a one-and-a-half (One loop is fixed with a Double tie), or Yosemite Bowline - because an ugly knotted knot by definition cannot be *reliable.*
If it *seems* to you that a Sliding Bowline based on Yosemite (removing the tail from the loop with its additional clip with the loop of the loaded branch) is not reliable enough - knit a Cowboy one, starting with a simple stopper, which should be immediately wrapped between the index and middle fingers - as is done when tying a Honda loop * (the best * for getting a Lasso - because it becomes almost perpendicular to the rope flying to the target of the trap loop).
Завязав петлю Булиня (изначально им была вилка для управления рулевым прямоугольным парусом, связанная Шкотовым узлом по-матросски - со стороны паруса) на опоре или в руках, потяните за неё и коренной конец - и ходовой хвостик сам покажет, как ему будет *удобней* лежать в полуторном (Одна петля фиксируется завязкой Двойного), или Йосемитском Булине - потому что уродливо завязанный узел по определению не может быть *надёжным.*
Если же вам *кажется,* что Скользящий Булинь на базе Йосемитского (удаление хвостика из петли с его дополнительным зажимом петелькой нагруженной ветви) недостаточно надёжен - вяжите Ковбойский, начав его с Простого стопора, который следует сразу обтянуть между указательным и средним пальцами - как это делают при завязке петли Хонда *(лучшей* для получения Лассо - поскольку она становится почти перпендикулярно верёвке летящей к цели ловчей петли).
hello
Get practicing your knots Andrew! This one's on the test.
This what?! I. um i-i never knew there wass...... um a what was i-oh yeah the test
Iio see
I dont know seems like your splitting hares to me.
All u did was skip 1 step rabbit hole ahh
wtf
Why use a rabbit when clearly a snake makes more sense using a rope . Snake goes in the hole around the tree back into the hole.. or worm .. jokes