Oh boy. I fell in love with them after you introduced me. Had their debut hanging on my wall, told everyone I knew about them, and everything else. Really thought we were about to witness something special. At least Hot Mulligan is still cool.
Hospital bracelet IS and always will be Eric. Those other two just made a pretty decent album with them. But literally everything that came before they joined is a hundred times better. People are acting like Eric is Hitler for fuck sake this is absolutely ridiculous and it takes away from when a band member really DOES do something horrible like sexually assault someone
@@eliottsmith6908 you have no idea how much we put into hospital bracelet. that riot fest offer wouldn’t have happened without all the effort “those other two” and a bunch of others put in behind the scenes for almost two years. consider shutting up before you speak on shit you dont know about.
I'm out of touch and dont keep up with Twitter or any form of social media presence from bands so it's videos like these that i appreciate to document the band behind the music I like on my spotify. Its unfortunate how quickly the success of HB went downhill and for good reason. As an engineer I would not do business with an artist who doesn't pay right away. Don't send them the mix until they pay you
Oh wow what a great band I just stumbled upon. Surely they’re just taking their time making their next album. There’s no way a hypocritical scene would ever cancel them.
I hate the emo scene for this reason. Find a cool band, try to find some of their newer music, and it doesn't exist because the band was cancelled or they broke up for no good reason. This honestly seems like a pretty minor reason to cancel someone... Sure it's not a good thing to do, but it's standard frontman attitude in my eyes lol
My band Trash Bin Stench opened for Hospital Bracelet in late 2019, in Fredericksburg VA - they seemed like a really chill group, but I had no idea that these things went on behind the scenes. What a bizarre chain of events, but it was cool to experience the band while they existed.
@@BudOnTheLeaves because Eric did absolutely nothing wrong. Hospital bracelet has always been Eric, and always will be. Yeah maybe it was a little mean to ghost somebody, but people are here talking like Eric raped a bunch of puppies. Jesus Christ there's real people in the world doing real horrible things and people have an absolutely nothing better to do than talk about this nothing of a story? I thought the two girls were very talented musicians, and overall South loop summer isn't horrible, but the real recorded version of Sober JK wax any form of emotion which is what made it such a brilliant song to begin with, and it's way over produced. Eric's previous album and EP and singles are all amazing works of art. Hopefully they keep playing music because a lot of people need it
Ik I’m late but this is still crazy to me. I was a regular performer/crowd member at the Hoosier Dome during Eric’s time at the Hoosier Dome. Drove them home from shows, played shows either them etc. I was in New Jersey with my last band recording an EP the day everything came out. Ik following drama isn’t healthy but we were glued to Twitter whenever we weren’t recording that day. 😅
I'm so sad about what has become of hospital bracelet. I've only discovered them like a month ago because i got summer friends recommended on spotify and the very same day i made my research about them and heard about all this and it made me really sad. i really love their songs from the lyrics over vocals to the instruments and how everything is put together (and i still keep on listening to their songs though) but it's just so unfair how eric treated their bandmates. a band is supposed to be like a self-made family in which you treat everyone with respect and just generally in a good way, but only including your bandmates for a small part, then basically saying 'i don't need you anymore' and not even paying them (properly) is wrong if you do get money from what you do together.
A local college radio station was playing a song of theirs, I kinda liked it so decided to look them up, and this is the first video that popped up lol
I found their single some time ago before they released their full album, and i was stoked to see what was in store. Didn't really keep up to date with them and found they finally released a full album, i was stoked. And like you do when you find a new band, you look more into them; that's when i found all this out. It was a high high and a low low 10mins
Dawg if you absolutely HAD to do this video you have to do more than gloss over the bare minimum. You painted them as basically just not paying people and showing band mates enough respect lmao there’s so much more manipulative and abusive behavior that you didn’t even address. You picked the most surface level controversy around them and basically promoted HB at the end of the day.
@@Pizzaboy929392 blackmailing multiple people with fake abuse allegations and physically abusing another musician, also blackmailing them into not coming forward. also extremely mishandled mediating a situation regarding a 15 year old who was assaulted (pro tip, if you know someone told their abuser "no" multiple times, don't tell them it's their fault!) these are my firsthand accounts as someone who once considered them a friend.
@@EpiclyAnnabelle I thought the allegations levied in the twitter thread that got them cancelled were milquetoast at best, but this shit I would actually care about. Where's the info on this?
@@AlbinoBlueSquirrel all of those “more serious” allegations were quote tweeted by those most affected by them. i could not bear responsibility for outing those allegations despite being informed of them as i wasn’t given permission to do so nor would it be responsible to speak on behalf of those affected.
Hi nate, if you've done any research on this you would know who we are and why we might have a bone to pick with this video but I would like to start w/ telling everyone to listen to Oux, which is Manae's pop band she formed with her partner Indigo (they/them)! Arya also plays bass for them live. I recommend their EP Honeymood, it's incredibly atmospheric and scratches an itch that nothing else has for me yet. I recommend just closing this tab, reading manae's statement on eric and supporting her and Oux instead. This video absolutely leaps over all of the horrible manipulative nuances of what happened and boils it all down to 'poor amazing captivating prodigal diy emo musician cancelled by twitter bandmate' and spends more time covering eric's wrestling hobby and bemoaning diy twitter cancel culture than talking about the swathes of people eric hurt. if this is about hospital bracelet, and not eric, then why not also recite manae and arya's interviews from the same chicago reader article you lifted eric's bio (narrative flow and all) from, and why not talk about their musical projects? Careless research makes for a weak essay and reveals you don't do this to educate, you do it for views & with very little care for the people involved in what you cover. The one good part of this video is where you tell us to go and read manae's twitter thread, because closing this tab and reading the thread and its replies ends up being more informative than this 13 minute long (gotta get that sweet sweet algorithm boost) biopic on Eric and The Other Two People In Their Band. It's clear that you never ran this video past them - not only is this lazy journalism, it's disrespectful. If you wanna make a video to keep people informed, that's great - but this is a tactless, clumsy attempt at a video essay that takes a big fat dump on everyone eric hurt.
I loved this band. They came up one day when I wanted new music to listen to. I feel in love instantly and kept playing the bands songs on repeat. South Loop Summer dropped and I feel in love even more and more. I then saw the news about them and my music heart shattered. i cant believe this happened
was with you until the end, it really sounded like youre insinuating that eric shouldn’t have called out abusers and r*pists and by doing so got what was coming for them by getting cancelled. That doesn’t make sense at all to me. Both parties deserved to get exposed for their wrong doings and I don’t understand the point of being anti “cancel culture” in this context.
I think what he was saying is that you shouldn’t pretend to be a complete advocate for one thing and then do the same thing you’re advocating against behind the scenes
yea that was a shit and very online-brained take at the end of the vid, the proper takeaway would be to not exploit and discount the effort and impact of people, especially people who are supposed to be some of your closest friends and collaborators I get Nate was trying to discard this by saying "yea usually bands don't collapse with this kind of controversy" but really?? With this ending he is blaming the collapse on people caring about things rather than on Eric for fucking their band mates over. It's like Nate is trying to be anti-SJW but is afraid to say it with his chest
hey man, i just discovered your channel and i really like your stuff. i feel like you should make a video on los campesinos! - they've been pretty popular in the once twee pop and now indie rock/emo scene since about 2010 and are probably the best band i know of. they're lyrics are wonderfully smart and the instrumentals are a mix of whirling bass and screeching violins, they're nothing like i've seen before or ever. i think you'd really like them :)
if you’re looking at the comments before watching this video, just don’t watch it. manae’s twitter thread goes in depth on this situation and honestly, eric did other shit that was equally horrible and doesn’t even get mentioned in this video. listen to the people eric hurt and support their music instead of watching this.
@@Backtothezack i literally studied journalism at the top school in the country. telling people to go read a twitter thread because it’s too long to report on and not even consulting the involved parties to make sure your story is thorough is not reporting. this a cheap attention grab.
I totally understand the blatant hypocrisy of all this. At the same time. Come on. They don't deserve to get canceled over this. I get it, Eric tried canceling other people over simliar issues. But here's the thing, I don't think they that was right etither. Jesus Christ, people. We have to give others the space to apologize and attempt to grow. These are young little idiots, and they are far from perfect. I was also a selfish moron when I was in my early 20s/late teens. But if we decide that no amount of apologizing is ever enough, it just shows an apology is not really what we want.
Super agree, It was Eric carrying this act. Social media (super hard for most people) and songwriting? I could not imagine having these big opportunities at their age. Of course if the other bandmates aren't contributing more than live shows then why do they need a bigger cut? Eric was wronged, it's sad to see
Oh good you're back. Its good to see these vids, man, documenting bands like this. I hope the dissenters dont get to you. Id love to see some documenting bands who went out on top, too. Maybe older bands if possible? Its been a minute since ive checked the channel so i do apologize if ive missed vids like that. Cheers to you Nate.
Happy to see you back man! I’ve missed your content a lot and am glad to see your still chuggin along. Keep up the good work man!! As for most of the negative comments I’ve seen on this video, don’t let them get you down or prevent you from creating future videos. I feel like alot of people feel that it’s your responsibility to make sure EVERYONE knows how terrible of a person so and so is and if you leave out any misconduct at any level than you’re not reporting well enough but I don’t think your goal is tell everyone how bad of a person they are. Unless I’m wrong, I don’t think that’s ever been the point of your rise and fall videos. Rise and fall videos don’t have be “look at how terrible of a person whoever is” videos and I appreciate that about your vids because all of these people are still humans with complex thoughts emotions just like all of us. Not every video has to be a witch hunt or a psa about how terrible someone is. There’s plenty of that on the internet already. I love your content man and I want to see you do well, in fact most of us do. Keep on creating and I’m pumped for what you have next!!
It's so funny to be out of the social media loop and randomly find out that a band you thought would release another album at some point probably never will. TBH though, I don't give a fuck about Arya or Manae. The acoustic record without them is just as good as South Loop. Eric should just admit to having been a shitty person and keep making music.
I knew a bit about the controversy before the video and I gotta ask the people who said Nate only scratched the surface. What else did Eric do? I know they didn’t pay like anyone who worked on the album and tried to undermine some other bands (I think khaki cuffs?) but I don’t know anything more than that. Seeing all the dissent in the comments made google a bunch of things related to hospital bracelet but found almost nothing. I had to download fucking twitter to find out what happened but I dunno how to find anything. I’ve always avoided twitter cause I saw it as overly harsh and people get angry at you for not being in the know on recent events. Can someone please expand on all that happened?
Im confused as well, I saw Manae's twitter thread but I didnt see much beyond what was addressed in the video. Im also curious on what wasnt addressed.
copy-pasted from above but: blackmailing multiple people with fake abuse allegations and physically abusing another musician, also blackmailing them into not coming forward. also extremely mishandled mediating a situation regarding a 15 year old who was assaulted (pro tip, if you know someone told their abuser "no" multiple times, don't tell them it's their fault!) these are my firsthand accounts as someone who once considered them a friend. FUCK THIS VIDEO.
@@EpiclyAnnabelle You knew the band personally? Were these issues ever brought forth online or was it just word of mouth? Im not downplaying what you are saying nor am I saying you are lying, Im just trying to figure out how did it get from point A to B
@@Silencex84 as the drummer, all of these issues were brought up to me by multiple ppl privately for months leading up to my tweet. i had to say something that specifically affected only me and my bandmate to make it known that eric isn’t something worth working with, which then brought on the deluge of testimonies regarding their harmful actions & manipulative behaviors. it’s disappointing to see so many ppl play off what eric did when it was very real for me and many others.
Can you make vids where you show new and interesting bands in the scene rather than this kind of content. If it's what you want to do then go for it cuz it's not my problem, just personally I prefer your vids discussing new artists. Plus it helps shine a light on the better parts of the scene and lets it grow
@@SnailHatan I know he does I’ve been a fan for a couple years but the last couple vids have just been rise and falls or looks at legacy acts in the scene with the exceptions of salughter beach dog and charmer vids. No digs at those guys I love all the bands he’s covered. I guess better wording would’ve been “I miss the vids…” if that makes my og comment any clearer
Live by the Twitter mob, die by the Twitter mob. I mean they were being a wak putting their success before their friends but I feel like that's very normal in the music industry. But like you said you reap what you sow. If they hadn't been one of those types on Twitter maybe this would've ended differently
I discovered south loop summer early last year and I've been listening to hospital bracelet routinely since, I was wondering when they'd drop new music this whole time and now finding out about all this is so sad
this video is such a mess. you make it sound like pushing for inclusivity and equality is a bad thing. not to mention your utterly bizarre point at the end that everyone gets their "just deserts". sometimes bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people. your weird fascination with never calling anyone out for anything in case someday it might turn on you is not only self serving but totally takes away from whatever criticism you were trying to level at the member of the band. you have some real political brainworms, try to be more objective next time.
Damn dude. Is it sad I was both dreading and hoping for this video? Am I a shitty person? I feel like I keep liking bands with shitty people in them. =/ 🤔
The reason shit like this keeps happening is because people pin their own worth by constantly comparing themselves to others. Just do the best you can. Don't ask questions like that and expect to get anything constructive. At the end of the day, you're the arbiter. Be the example.
Let me preface this by saying that I have no idea who this band is and what the members did. Another issue with bands, in general, is that bands are made up of people. As someone who has been in bands since their teens (I'm in my 30s now), and spent a lot of that time also booking shows...this isn't new. When I started playing/booking shows, MySpace hadn't even become a big thing yet. It existed, and quickly became a thing, but it wasn't a big thing at the time. So, unless you interacted with these people in person, you had no way to know. If you take a look, the general publics knowledge of bands doing distasteful things rose as the internet became more of a thing for everyone. Now, everyone knows everything a day, sometimes even less, after it happens. As long as bands have people, this isn't going to stop. Hopefully it gets better, but it will never stop.
You're not a shitty person for liking bands who also happen to have shitty people in them. Certainly not if you weren't aware. It's not your job to update yourself with every little thing your favorite artists do and hyper-analyze them for wrongdoing. I've had so far 5 bands I like get "cancelled". It doesn't make me feel shitty in the slightest. I feel nothing because I don't bear responsibility for someone else's actions (in this context). I also understand they can make mistakes because they're human, but also they should face consequences because they're human. The most I can do is learn to conduct myself better as a person by learning from their mistakes. I don't know if you should stop listening to their music or not. I leave that to the individual to make their own decision. My personal "line" that I draw is when a band preaches certain values and is then caught breaking said values.
im glad you at least informed me of the situation, but the video seems super rushed and really just in poor taste. for anyone wandering, manae has a band called oux that you should totally go support :)
welp. i just discovered this band and became a fan for about 10 minutes until i watched this video. womp womp. why is it the ones who always get the surgeries tend to be the most narcissistic?
Good vid but its really not rare for an emo band to blow up & then get cancelled immediately after for being problematic. That shit happens like every other week in diy.
I was actually just thinking about you and how you haven't put out a video in a while and then I saw this and clicked instantly!!! Great job as always!!!
don’t know if i necessarily agree that they only got cancelled because they called out other people for reprehensible behavior. not paying your fellow band mates and generally exploiting them to the degree that eric did is shitty regardless and i don’t think the outcome would’ve been that much different if they hadn’t espoused the views they did online, granted i haven’t done much research on the subject, just my opinion based on this video
God, that's pretty fucked up to make the whole thesis of this video that being the Karma that comes back to bite Abusers in the ass, sets you up for Karma to then turn around and kick you in the asshole. Like, I very much would rather see bands get their comeuppance (from their fans) for being a piece of shit, than to build up a cult that will forgive them no mater how many people they hurt.
I really wanted to like this band. I was enthralled with Eric's presence on social media during the pandemic. It's a shame they did not live up to the level of standards they seemed to have for everyone else.
Have you ever listened to earlier bands like Armor for sleep, the starting line, the early November, or Emery? The question by Emery is amazing or stuff like the receiving end of sirens, or Boys Night Out their album Trainwreck is one of the best concept albums of all time the album tells a heartbreaking story. I'm sure you would like these bands considering the bands you talk about on your channel which I'm new to but have already watched like 20 videos back to back. Keep up the great work mate.
im honestly crushed, i really loved Hospital Bracelet. i would still love to listen to their music but i really dont want to support people like this, so im in a bit of a dillema. i am also impressed with my ability to find good bands right before it is put to light that they arent good people, it happened with McCafferty, SWMRS, and a few others that I can't remember.
if it helps to know, all of the ppl involved with HB beside eric have been receiving our fair share of profits (and are involved in other projects) so it does actually help if you bought a shirt or vinyl or stream the songs. if you want to support us as the artists we are now, go follow our accounts linked above and stay posted for our future endeavors.
@@gargles5270 it was mainly just the drummer but the whole band is at fault, ill let you research what happened because i don't fully remember specifics.
Hope everyone has been very well.
Also will I reap what I sow and have a rise and fall video made about me?
@@NateTheMateForever the hell? That's ominous as fuck
Happy ur back!
We missed you Nate!!!
It's great to see you back dude :D
Oh boy. I fell in love with them after you introduced me. Had their debut hanging on my wall, told everyone I knew about them, and everything else. Really thought we were about to witness something special. At least Hot Mulligan is still cool.
same. now im ashamed lmao
And Heart Attack Man
@@XX-ep5xt 😂 now Notes App Apology is HB's anthem
Hospital bracelet IS and always will be Eric. Those other two just made a pretty decent album with them. But literally everything that came before they joined is a hundred times better. People are acting like Eric is Hitler for fuck sake this is absolutely ridiculous and it takes away from when a band member really DOES do something horrible like sexually assault someone
@@eliottsmith6908 you have no idea how much we put into hospital bracelet. that riot fest offer wouldn’t have happened without all the effort “those other two” and a bunch of others put in behind the scenes for almost two years. consider shutting up before you speak on shit you dont know about.
damn "they/them manipulator music" is actually funny af
Hi Skramzrave
Hi Skramzrave
I'm out of touch and dont keep up with Twitter or any form of social media presence from bands so it's videos like these that i appreciate to document the band behind the music I like on my spotify. Its unfortunate how quickly the success of HB went downhill and for good reason. As an engineer I would not do business with an artist who doesn't pay right away. Don't send them the mix until they pay you
I was just thinking the other day “I wonder how Nate’s doing he hasn’t posted in a while” love to see it
Oh wow what a great band I just stumbled upon. Surely they’re just taking their time making their next album. There’s no way a hypocritical scene would ever cancel them.
I hate the emo scene for this reason. Find a cool band, try to find some of their newer music, and it doesn't exist because the band was cancelled or they broke up for no good reason. This honestly seems like a pretty minor reason to cancel someone... Sure it's not a good thing to do, but it's standard frontman attitude in my eyes lol
My band Trash Bin Stench opened for Hospital Bracelet in late 2019, in Fredericksburg VA - they seemed like a really chill group, but I had no idea that these things went on behind the scenes. What a bizarre chain of events, but it was cool to experience the band while they existed.
I live in Richmond!
Cool man you are lucky opening for them. Eric is amazing and if people want to hate for no reason let em hate
@@eliottsmith6908 I still listen to the bands music but please define what you mean when you say "hate for no reason"
One of the best shows I’ve been too no lie
@@BudOnTheLeaves because Eric did absolutely nothing wrong. Hospital bracelet has always been Eric, and always will be. Yeah maybe it was a little mean to ghost somebody, but people are here talking like Eric raped a bunch of puppies. Jesus Christ there's real people in the world doing real horrible things and people have an absolutely nothing better to do than talk about this nothing of a story? I thought the two girls were very talented musicians, and overall South loop summer isn't horrible, but the real recorded version of Sober JK wax any form of emotion which is what made it such a brilliant song to begin with, and it's way over produced. Eric's previous album and EP and singles are all amazing works of art. Hopefully they keep playing music because a lot of people need it
I literally almost dropped my phone seeing this
Me too, I was shattered at first but I’m glad they didn’t turn out to be as bad as these videos normally end.
DUDE SAME
Bro this scene has got to chill out a bit, nobody’s ever gonna blow up and good music will never come to the forefront again
Too bad emo isn’t good music. It’s corny nerd chit for Virginz
@@wiishopwednesdayrecords2959 what you even doing here fam 😂. Listen if one of us is a virgin it’s sounding like it’s you 😂. Stay mad, emo rules 🤘
@@samuelmorrison8150 you’re using the cope emoji. Nü-Emo sucks and is for soy boys
@@samuelmorrison8150 emo RULED**** this new shit is somehow even more corny and embarrassing.
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Ik I’m late but this is still crazy to me. I was a regular performer/crowd member at the Hoosier Dome during Eric’s time at the Hoosier Dome. Drove them home from shows, played shows either them etc. I was in New Jersey with my last band recording an EP the day everything came out. Ik following drama isn’t healthy but we were glued to Twitter whenever we weren’t recording that day. 😅
I'm so sad about what has become of hospital bracelet. I've only discovered them like a month ago because i got summer friends recommended on spotify and the very same day i made my research about them and heard about all this and it made me really sad. i really love their songs from the lyrics over vocals to the instruments and how everything is put together (and i still keep on listening to their songs though) but it's just so unfair how eric treated their bandmates. a band is supposed to be like a self-made family in which you treat everyone with respect and just generally in a good way, but only including your bandmates for a small part, then basically saying 'i don't need you anymore' and not even paying them (properly) is wrong if you do get money from what you do together.
A local college radio station was playing a song of theirs, I kinda liked it so decided to look them up, and this is the first video that popped up lol
I found their single some time ago before they released their full album, and i was stoked to see what was in store. Didn't really keep up to date with them and found they finally released a full album, i was stoked. And like you do when you find a new band, you look more into them; that's when i found all this out. It was a high high and a low low 10mins
Dawg if you absolutely HAD to do this video you have to do more than gloss over the bare minimum. You painted them as basically just not paying people and showing band mates enough respect lmao there’s so much more manipulative and abusive behavior that you didn’t even address. You picked the most surface level controversy around them and basically promoted HB at the end of the day.
What other stuff is Eric guilty of?
@@Pizzaboy929392 blackmailing multiple people with fake abuse allegations and physically abusing another musician, also blackmailing them into not coming forward. also extremely mishandled mediating a situation regarding a 15 year old who was assaulted (pro tip, if you know someone told their abuser "no" multiple times, don't tell them it's their fault!) these are my firsthand accounts as someone who once considered them a friend.
@@EpiclyAnnabelle I thought the allegations levied in the twitter thread that got them cancelled were milquetoast at best, but this shit I would actually care about. Where's the info on this?
@@AlbinoBlueSquirrel all of those “more serious” allegations were quote tweeted by those most affected by them. i could not bear responsibility for outing those allegations despite being informed of them as i wasn’t given permission to do so nor would it be responsible to speak on behalf of those affected.
Hi nate, if you've done any research on this you would know who we are and why we might have a bone to pick with this video but I would like to start w/ telling everyone to listen to Oux, which is Manae's pop band she formed with her partner Indigo (they/them)! Arya also plays bass for them live. I recommend their EP Honeymood, it's incredibly atmospheric and scratches an itch that nothing else has for me yet. I recommend just closing this tab, reading manae's statement on eric and supporting her and Oux instead. This video absolutely leaps over all of the horrible manipulative nuances of what happened and boils it all down to 'poor amazing captivating prodigal diy emo musician cancelled by twitter bandmate' and spends more time covering eric's wrestling hobby and bemoaning diy twitter cancel culture than talking about the swathes of people eric hurt. if this is about hospital bracelet, and not eric, then why not also recite manae and arya's interviews from the same chicago reader article you lifted eric's bio (narrative flow and all) from, and why not talk about their musical projects? Careless research makes for a weak essay and reveals you don't do this to educate, you do it for views & with very little care for the people involved in what you cover. The one good part of this video is where you tell us to go and read manae's twitter thread, because closing this tab and reading the thread and its replies ends up being more informative than this 13 minute long (gotta get that sweet sweet algorithm boost) biopic on Eric and The Other Two People In Their Band. It's clear that you never ran this video past them - not only is this lazy journalism, it's disrespectful. If you wanna make a video to keep people informed, that's great - but this is a tactless, clumsy attempt at a video essay that takes a big fat dump on everyone eric hurt.
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So emo is about people being broken but when they act up because they are broken they are cancelled...
I loved this band. They came up one day when I wanted new music to listen to. I feel in love instantly and kept playing the bands songs on repeat. South Loop Summer dropped and I feel in love even more and more. I then saw the news about them and my music heart shattered. i cant believe this happened
Nothing has happened lol
@@eliottsmith6908 what do you mean nothing has happened
@@lukegaming1154 it's not like Eric killed/raped somebody you know that right? They messed up but not as bad as others (like Nick from Mccafferty)
was with you until the end, it really sounded like youre insinuating that eric shouldn’t have called out abusers and r*pists and by doing so got what was coming for them by getting cancelled. That doesn’t make sense at all to me. Both parties deserved to get exposed for their wrong doings and I don’t understand the point of being anti “cancel culture” in this context.
I think what he was saying is that you shouldn’t pretend to be a complete advocate for one thing and then do the same thing you’re advocating against behind the scenes
yea that was a shit and very online-brained take at the end of the vid, the proper takeaway would be to not exploit and discount the effort and impact of people, especially people who are supposed to be some of your closest friends and collaborators
I get Nate was trying to discard this by saying "yea usually bands don't collapse with this kind of controversy" but really?? With this ending he is blaming the collapse on people caring about things rather than on Eric for fucking their band mates over. It's like Nate is trying to be anti-SJW but is afraid to say it with his chest
It's more that the progressive purity test of the inclusive crowd is impossible to measure up to
The man has officially returned!!
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hey man, i just discovered your channel and i really like your stuff. i feel like you should make a video on los campesinos! - they've been pretty popular in the once twee pop and now indie rock/emo scene since about 2010 and are probably the best band i know of. they're lyrics are wonderfully smart and the instrumentals are a mix of whirling bass and screeching violins, they're nothing like i've seen before or ever. i think you'd really like them :)
if you havent heard about them already, listen to sparky deathcap, theyre connected to los campesinos!
@@wheatstack5018 unfortunately have listened to every single one of his songs that is on youtube, but great reccomendation :) you've got good taste
Great to see you back at it, man. Also, this isn't a Mock Orange video.
not very Mate if you to take advantage of the shit people went thru for content despite being asked several times not to 🤫
I wish someone would love me as much as Nate loves Modern Baseball
if you’re looking at the comments before watching this video, just don’t watch it. manae’s twitter thread goes in depth on this situation and honestly, eric did other shit that was equally horrible and doesn’t even get mentioned in this video. listen to the people eric hurt and support their music instead of watching this.
not to mention, making this video without consulting the victims is extremely invasive and irresponsible.
I just tweeted almost the exact same thing
@@elysegiedeman456 no it’s not
@@Backtothezack i literally studied journalism at the top school in the country. telling people to go read a twitter thread because it’s too long to report on and not even consulting the involved parties to make sure your story is thorough is not reporting. this a cheap attention grab.
You should make a video on Marietta's album "As it Were"! I loved your video on Summer Death and in my opinion As it Were is just as good
Any more Marietta content please
I totally understand the blatant hypocrisy of all this. At the same time. Come on. They don't deserve to get canceled over this. I get it, Eric tried canceling other people over simliar issues. But here's the thing, I don't think they that was right etither. Jesus Christ, people. We have to give others the space to apologize and attempt to grow. These are young little idiots, and they are far from perfect. I was also a selfish moron when I was in my early 20s/late teens. But if we decide that no amount of apologizing is ever enough, it just shows an apology is not really what we want.
Super agree, It was Eric carrying this act. Social media (super hard for most people) and songwriting? I could not imagine having these big opportunities at their age. Of course if the other bandmates aren't contributing more than live shows then why do they need a bigger cut?
Eric was wronged, it's sad to see
Oh good you're back. Its good to see these vids, man, documenting bands like this. I hope the dissenters dont get to you. Id love to see some documenting bands who went out on top, too. Maybe older bands if possible? Its been a minute since ive checked the channel so i do apologize if ive missed vids like that. Cheers to you Nate.
Crazy that Eric dated the lead singer to Jail Socks
Damn, they came up on my youtube supermix and I fell in love. It's a shame to find out that they won't be around anymore at this time.
Happy to see you back man! I’ve missed your content a lot and am glad to see your still chuggin along. Keep up the good work man!!
As for most of the negative comments I’ve seen on this video, don’t let them get you down or prevent you from creating future videos. I feel like alot of people feel that it’s your responsibility to make sure EVERYONE knows how terrible of a person so and so is and if you leave out any misconduct at any level than you’re not reporting well enough but I don’t think your goal is tell everyone how bad of a person they are. Unless I’m wrong, I don’t think that’s ever been the point of your rise and fall videos. Rise and fall videos don’t have be “look at how terrible of a person whoever is” videos and I appreciate that about your vids because all of these people are still humans with complex thoughts emotions just like all of us. Not every video has to be a witch hunt or a psa about how terrible someone is. There’s plenty of that on the internet already. I love your content man and I want to see you do well, in fact most of us do. Keep on creating and I’m pumped for what you have next!!
New video, we’ve been waiting for one, thank you and hope all is good
The rise and fall of Nate the Mate next would complete the reap what you sow theme
I’m so glad your back dad!!!
It's so funny to be out of the social media loop and randomly find out that a band you thought would release another album at some point probably never will. TBH though, I don't give a fuck about Arya or Manae. The acoustic record without them is just as good as South Loop. Eric should just admit to having been a shitty person and keep making music.
Agreed, I thought everyone in the scene knew or accepted everyone was a bad person. Don’t know where this idea of purity came from.
I knew a bit about the controversy before the video and I gotta ask the people who said Nate only scratched the surface. What else did Eric do? I know they didn’t pay like anyone who worked on the album and tried to undermine some other bands (I think khaki cuffs?) but I don’t know anything more than that. Seeing all the dissent in the comments made google a bunch of things related to hospital bracelet but found almost nothing.
I had to download fucking twitter to find out what happened but I dunno how to find anything. I’ve always avoided twitter cause I saw it as overly harsh and people get angry at you for not being in the know on recent events. Can someone please expand on all that happened?
Im confused as well, I saw Manae's twitter thread but I didnt see much beyond what was addressed in the video.
Im also curious on what wasnt addressed.
copy-pasted from above but: blackmailing multiple people with fake abuse allegations and physically abusing another musician, also blackmailing them into not coming forward. also extremely mishandled mediating a situation regarding a 15 year old who was assaulted (pro tip, if you know someone told their abuser "no" multiple times, don't tell them it's their fault!) these are my firsthand accounts as someone who once considered them a friend. FUCK THIS VIDEO.
@@EpiclyAnnabelle You knew the band personally?
Were these issues ever brought forth online or was it just word of mouth?
Im not downplaying what you are saying nor am I saying you are lying, Im just trying to figure out how did it get from point A to B
@@Silencex84 as the drummer, all of these issues were brought up to me by multiple ppl privately for months leading up to my tweet. i had to say something that specifically affected only me and my bandmate to make it known that eric isn’t something worth working with, which then brought on the deluge of testimonies regarding their harmful actions & manipulative behaviors. it’s disappointing to see so many ppl play off what eric did when it was very real for me and many others.
@@numbthot69 yooo! Can I just say as a fan of this band one of my favorite parts of the music was your drumming. Good luck in your future stuff
Can you make vids where you show new and interesting bands in the scene rather than this kind of content. If it's what you want to do then go for it cuz it's not my problem, just personally I prefer your vids discussing new artists. Plus it helps shine a light on the better parts of the scene and lets it grow
That’s boring tho
He’s made a handful of these kinds of videos, and literally dozens of others. Stop acting like this is his whole shtick.
@@SnailHatan I know he does I’ve been a fan for a couple years but the last couple vids have just been rise and falls or looks at legacy acts in the scene with the exceptions of salughter beach dog and charmer vids. No digs at those guys I love all the bands he’s covered. I guess better wording would’ve been “I miss the vids…” if that makes my og comment any clearer
@@SnailHatan It's what he makes his money off of.
@@spookshowreviews7117 And? People watch it. That’s their choice.
hospital bracelet suck, but did you really need to make a video to capitalize off of people’s trauma? oh wait… that’s your whole shtick…
it’s a fucking video essay
@@eefncave fine, a Video Essay to capitalize off of people's trauma. This is D+ material
@@ckhgator my thoughts exactly
Trauma 😂 get a grip
@@lewismellon7889 go on?
So darn sad that they made such good music and made her mental instabality drive them to the ground.
Glad you are back. Was wondering about this band the other day.
Welcome back! I missed your content
the members of the band aren't a fan of this video
how so?
Live by the Twitter mob, die by the Twitter mob. I mean they were being a wak putting their success before their friends but I feel like that's very normal in the music industry. But like you said you reap what you sow. If they hadn't been one of those types on Twitter maybe this would've ended differently
I discovered south loop summer early last year and I've been listening to hospital bracelet routinely since, I was wondering when they'd drop new music this whole time and now finding out about all this is so sad
this video is such a mess. you make it sound like pushing for inclusivity and equality is a bad thing. not to mention your utterly bizarre point at the end that everyone gets their "just deserts". sometimes bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people. your weird fascination with never calling anyone out for anything in case someday it might turn on you is not only self serving but totally takes away from whatever criticism you were trying to level at the member of the band. you have some real political brainworms, try to be more objective next time.
YESSS IM SO GLAD U MADE A VIDEO FOR THIS
Anyone know any channels where I can find new bands in the scene? Because this channel ain’t it anymore
Ouija Beach
Who cares
Still love the band. Hope all parties continue to make music. And eric grows as a person. Their young. Life happens. Best of luck
Glad yr back mate
HI WELCOME BACK DUDE
So glad you're back
This was sad as hell... I loved that band so much.
So you broke a 6 month absence to do a very surface-level rise and fall vid, leaving out tons of info.
Damn dude. Is it sad I was both dreading and hoping for this video?
Am I a shitty person? I feel like I keep liking bands with shitty people in them. =/ 🤔
The reason shit like this keeps happening is because people pin their own worth by constantly comparing themselves to others. Just do the best you can. Don't ask questions like that and expect to get anything constructive. At the end of the day, you're the arbiter. Be the example.
Let me preface this by saying that I have no idea who this band is and what the members did.
Another issue with bands, in general, is that bands are made up of people. As someone who has been in bands since their teens (I'm in my 30s now), and spent a lot of that time also booking shows...this isn't new. When I started playing/booking shows, MySpace hadn't even become a big thing yet. It existed, and quickly became a thing, but it wasn't a big thing at the time. So, unless you interacted with these people in person, you had no way to know. If you take a look, the general publics knowledge of bands doing distasteful things rose as the internet became more of a thing for everyone. Now, everyone knows everything a day, sometimes even less, after it happens. As long as bands have people, this isn't going to stop. Hopefully it gets better, but it will never stop.
You're not a shitty person for liking bands who also happen to have shitty people in them. Certainly not if you weren't aware. It's not your job to update yourself with every little thing your favorite artists do and hyper-analyze them for wrongdoing.
I've had so far 5 bands I like get "cancelled". It doesn't make me feel shitty in the slightest.
I feel nothing because I don't bear responsibility for someone else's actions (in this context). I also understand they can make mistakes because they're human, but also they should face consequences because they're human. The most I can do is learn to conduct myself better as a person by learning from their mistakes.
I don't know if you should stop listening to their music or not. I leave that to the individual to make their own decision. My personal "line" that I draw is when a band preaches certain values and is then caught breaking said values.
Literally was thinking the other day when is a new video coming out! Thank you! :-)
Same here!!!
Please do a Rise and Fall video about Scruffpuppie
im glad you at least informed me of the situation, but the video seems super rushed and really just in poor taste. for anyone wandering, manae has a band called oux that you should totally go support :)
welp. i just discovered this band and became a fan for about 10 minutes until i watched this video. womp womp. why is it the ones who always get the surgeries tend to be the most narcissistic?
"went to the chiropractor"...lol.
BRO I HAD JUST FOUND THEM OUT YESTERDAY. I WENT TO DOWNLOAD THE SONGS AND YOU PUBLISH THIS LMAO
I’m so glad your back bro I’ve missed your videos
This video is more about Nate feeling frustrated with the twitter scene not liking him than anything Eric actually did
Video on Seahaven 👉🏼👈🏼
Do you think you'll do a "Scruffpuppie, the rise and fall" video?
ahah they didnt even rise
Im so confused so what did they do
honey wake up new nate the mate video
I’m having a hard time finding the link to Manae’s twitter thread about the issues with the band, does anyone else have it?
Good vid but its really not rare for an emo band to blow up & then get cancelled immediately after for being problematic. That shit happens like every other week in diy.
THE RETURN.
they were JUST like this in the indie wrestling scene.
My soul was struck when I heard about the drama
I was actually just thinking about you and how you haven't put out a video in a while and then I saw this and clicked instantly!!! Great job as always!!!
seeing slaughter beach in december, it ain't modern baseball but its close
Please more videos man! I've really missed your stuff!
don’t know if i necessarily agree that they only got cancelled because they called out other people for reprehensible behavior. not paying your fellow band mates and generally exploiting them to the degree that eric did is shitty regardless and i don’t think the outcome would’ve been that much different if they hadn’t espoused the views they did online, granted i haven’t done much research on the subject, just my opinion based on this video
They were at a house show in ohio and hung out my friend who organized it. Sucks to find out they were so shitty to their bandmates.
God, that's pretty fucked up to make the whole thesis of this video that being the Karma that comes back to bite Abusers in the ass, sets you up for Karma to then turn around and kick you in the asshole.
Like, I very much would rather see bands get their comeuppance (from their fans) for being a piece of shit, than to build up a cult that will forgive them no mater how many people they hurt.
Do you play among us
Hospital bracelet fans: All I say is all I know and all I know is what you made me
Also fucked over Fourthbase when it came to the split royalties. Sad you didn't contact him for his part in this story.
I really wanted to like this band. I was enthralled with Eric's presence on social media during the pandemic. It's a shame they did not live up to the level of standards they seemed to have for everyone else.
i was only looking for one of their songs so i could send it to a friend then i find this.... ah well, sucks to learn this way
I still want that south loop summer video I miss it sm
yeah man let’s make a spectacle off the experience of black trans women in a very white scene.
are you referring to eric’s actions of this video itself
What a shame. I really liked hospital bracelet, we need more bands with that sound/vibe in the scene.
Dude welcome back! We've all missed you!
Have you ever listened to earlier bands like Armor for sleep, the starting line, the early November, or Emery? The question by Emery is amazing or stuff like the receiving end of sirens, or Boys Night Out their album Trainwreck is one of the best concept albums of all time the album tells a heartbreaking story. I'm sure you would like these bands considering the bands you talk about on your channel which I'm new to but have already watched like 20 videos back to back. Keep up the great work mate.
Your taste in music is impeccable.
welcome back!
This makes me sad, I went to prom with one of Eric's friends and ended up ditching my date for them :/
Just like dating the girl who’s obsessed with your fidelity, she’s usually the one that ends up cheating
im honestly crushed, i really loved Hospital Bracelet. i would still love to listen to their music but i really dont want to support people like this, so im in a bit of a dillema. i am also impressed with my ability to find good bands right before it is put to light that they arent good people, it happened with McCafferty, SWMRS, and a few others that I can't remember.
if it helps to know, all of the ppl involved with HB beside eric have been receiving our fair share of profits (and are involved in other projects) so it does actually help if you bought a shirt or vinyl or stream the songs. if you want to support us as the artists we are now, go follow our accounts linked above and stay posted for our future endeavors.
no don’t say swmrs i just recently found one song i like by them now i need to see what they did 💔
@@gargles5270 it was mainly just the drummer but the whole band is at fault, ill let you research what happened because i don't fully remember specifics.
Were they dropped from the label too?
and don’t know anything about hospital bracelet before watching this video exact that i heard they were gonna blow up and then never heard from them
Cancel culture back fires lol. Definitely a story I TOTALLY haven't heard before.
Oh no here we go again 😔
Those wrestling moves were horrible. Reminded me of Always Sunny
anyway stream Oux
Meh
Missed you Nate!
The scene is filled with so many sheep and insufferable narcissists and I’m glad it’s failing. She got what she deserved
@@Ziad3195 shut/up
@@Ziad3195 This is all you're commenting on this video lol. Why do you care so much about protecting the pronouns of a manipulator?
Can we get video about TBLA?