Himiway Rhino Is Horrible News For Long Range Ebike Competitors
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- Опубліковано 16 бер 2023
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This Himiway Rhino review will show you everything you need to know about this 97 pound, dual battery, long range electric bike packing 1440Wh of "juice in the tank" paired up to a 1000w rear hub motor capable of outputting 86nm of torque pulled through it's frame integrated 25A controller. And if the standard version of the Rhino ebike isn't enough power and torque for you, there's an upgrade option for the Himiway Rhino Pro version available which comes equipped with a mid-drive motor offering over double the torque for exceptional hill climbing and towing ability.
Himiway states the Rhino ebike can get up to 100 miles of range, which is more than double what you can expect on a "normal" ebike... but, what are the trade offs? In this video we'll explore the Rhino fat tire electric bike and see if the sum of the components offered justifies the $3,000 price tag. If this Himiway Rhino review is helpful please give the video a like and drop a comment below.
Himiway reached out and told me the final product that will ship comes with a 1000W motor on both the Rhino (hub drive) and also the Rhino pro (mid-drive). The bike in this video was a sample Rhino with a hub motor stamped 750W.
All the details can be seen on the official website: bit.ly/Himiway-Rhino
$3,000 is still.a good price for a dual battery system and most especially a $1000 watts hub motor. Thanks for sharing.
@@qolspony Bad price.
@@qolspony Even the Wallkie H6 has more Ah and it puts more power on 20 by 4 inch tires so more acceleration for less then 2 grand.
@@qolspony My bike is a 60 V 20 ah 39 mph fpr 1,999$ plus shipping. If interested check out wired e bikes.
@@CONSCIOUS_TALK_ENT. Interesting.
Thx sooo much for doing this in the rain no fenders for us! Wow!!!
The color of this bike is absolutely stunning
User name checks out. SunnyDays… where were you when I needed you most… 😆
Oooh I like the 2 battery option!!!!!!!! I need to review this one for sure.
You know that's just unbelievable they want $3,000 for this e-bike it has no fenders it has no rear rack it has no horn and it doesn't even have a tail light brake light and I want $3,000 for this bike I got to be out of their mind
I think the final version on the website does have fenders and a few more bells and whistles, but 3k is def a bit more then the typical budget ebike
Bro I know😂😂 I swear my $1500 freesky is a better machine like what.....
That's greedy middleman markup pricing for you. I would understand increasing the price 250 to 500 for setting it up and making sure it works and convenience of having it available in person + some sort of great store warranty.
These businesses have the gall to double, triple, and even quadruple the price. That's how they end up getting a warehous and storefull of ebikes.
Makes me want to hand out informative flyers in front of the stores.
I see people trying to sell used ebikes for around brand new prices you'd find online. Victims of local markup
I got a 750-1000peak watt 20 inch fat tire 32ah ebike hydraulic brakes, 2 year protection for $1400 brand new. You can even get better deal than that with smaller battery or sales.
The overpriced and a shit looking ebike.
If you want double battery ebike worth your money just take a look freesky alaska and Emmo Ewild X.
From an Oregonian....I'm proud to see you riding in the rain!
Sweet review! 'm looking for a electric fat bike for my wife. This one is has been added to my contender list!! Thanks so much for the video review 😉
Thanks for watching!
Tim at himiway of San Diego has a great shop and customer support.
this bike look sweet you can barely tell its electric with how nicely both the batteries are hidden i don't think there is other bikes which hide two batteries like that, it would be nice if they make it in full suspension version
They manage to cap the speed of the zebra line up to 25mph and then bring it back up to 28mph. Should've just left it alone and let all do 28mph. But I'm loving those new tires
What would y'all recommend for someone that wants a long range and possibly of off road capabilities for pond hopping
So when riding my letric xp2.0 long range step thru i just upgraded the freewheel with a 11-34
And now when i ride this thing is a Beast 💪 for Hill climbing im in Colorado so i really put it to the test we have the rockies here and crazy hills everywhere
I can do 15-20 mph up hill no probs or do a massive incline no probs
Also my top speed has improved
I can hit 20-24mph in pedal assit 3
Before with the stock 11:28 freewheel max speed on pedal assist 3 was toppimg 18.4mph
Also i have a extra 10.4 amp battery i ride with in my 100% Water proof pannier bag
Total 24.8 Amp Hours
With two 48v batteries
Their customer service support for LETRIC IS amazing
For 1200$ you cant beat them
so you're bike is an XP2.0 and you upgraded it? do you have a video? Thanks.
A long range bike with flat mountain bike aggressive handle bars makes no sense to me, or common sense for that matter..I don't want to be slumped forward for 5 miles let alone a 100 miles, it's alot of pressure on your wrists..I want to be sitting straight up on a long range bike...The brake cables, display cable, etc., are probably not long enough to fix that problem if trying to raise the handle bars and then change them with something swept back or BMX style, which is what this bike should have..Alot of company's are understanding this, but many are not..That kind of handlebar set up is for trail riding, it's not appropriate for long range riding...I really like the bike other than that, but that is a deal breaker..After checking the price, there is a more severe deal breaker, they are not going to sell many of these, I suspect..There is alot of competition out there that make this bike almost impossible to choose, IMO..
Good points you bring up. The geometry of this bike will certainly help get power from your legs down to the pedals, which will optimize range. The swept back handlebar bikes are more challenging to get power to the pedals, but are more comfortable. One good thing for comfort is the front suspension on this bike felt great, and with more of your weight put on your arms, the front suspension is where a good chunk of your body mass sits. This should make a big difference in comfort. On the cruiser style bikes where all your weight is on your butt and not on your arms, your back takes all the bumps if the big tires and your legs don’t absorb it first. This is the comment discussion I like to see here, what do you guys think?
I think that people who want a dual battery hub motor bike plan on using the throttle a lot. Optimizing pedal efficiency probably less important than comfort to them. But I don't usually worry much about that stuff since different handlebars, stems, and stem risers can let you customize the fit easily and cheaply.
I think that this Himiway is the best looking dual battery bike I've seen. My dual battery cargo bike looks like it was designed for the army to use 50 years ago.
@@jimmyjames8736 I go for long rides, live in the middle of the Adirodack forest, so I like dual battery bikes, I have two of them(homemade)..On long rides the mountain bike position is painful..I've built many E-bikes for people, almost all mountain bikes, and have added risers and different handle bars to many of them..Factory bikes don't usually have long enough cables so you have to get extension cables for the display, light and throttle, and longer brake cables, which isn't a big deal, unless some other company already manufactures that out of the gate for a better price..We'll see, maybe I'm wrong.. I like the bike alot, just not the riding position and price..
Best way to evaluate the range is to go full throttle on flats for as long as possible... This one will do 70 km in full electric mode, on flat land
I would love this bike if it came in full suspension. The color is perfect. And 30ah battery means never having battery anxiety on long trips. I just like more comfortable rides. All my peg’s are full suspension by the way. I’m bias.
Keep your eyes on the channel, I just reviewed a full suspension dual battery ebike today, I will publish the video soon!
I bought a Lectric XP new for $899.00 (no shipping, no tax)... just $899.00. That was 2 and a half years ago. It's as fast as the laws in the U.S. allow a motorized bike to be before it has to be registered, license plate, tags, insurance, etc, etc, etc.............. I still ride that same Lectric every day. 3500+ miles.
$899.00
The numbers on this bike don't add up.
Lectric has a dual battery "cargo ebike" for $1699.00.
It's rear rack can hold 300 pounds.
The bike's total weight capacity is 450 pounds.
It will go 28 mph in pas5. Just like mine, but coming down the steep hill near me I've hit 39. My Lectric "1.0" as it's called now has been my daily commuter and only transportation for 2 years and 4 months now.
3000$ is really not bad I just which it had a torque sensor just bought the cobra because it had a torque sensor
Maybe 100 miles if it is all down hill and the wind is at your back.
you're not wrong 😆
Looks awesome! but............after my customer service experience I'm nervous about buying another Himiway.
The massive weight of the battery could cause extra wear and tear on the tires, I have an ADDMOTOR Fat Tire ebike just like this one and heavy.
Battery weighs no more than a buttock
@@greenbunnyinabongo7299 👌
It's $2999.00 so it's 3000 bucks. Nice bike but that's just a little bit too much for a standard bicycle and then a bunch of double a batteries
Welcome to San Diego...the most biker unfriendly 'bike friendly' County in California...complete with fun filled, disappearing bike lanes! 😵💥
Awesome bike! Love the color.
Price is a bit too expensive though
yeah the color was really awesome in person
no mud guards + rain..... 😅
This is not the Rhino described on the release event on 16th nor the one for sale on the Himiway web site. First the motor is suppose to be 1000 watts hub, with option of 1000w mid drive motor. The bike also comes with a rear rack and has a tail/stop light as well as a new design headlight that is powered by the bikes battery.
The one critical fact not mentioned on the site or the 16th event was who makes the cells used in the new battery packs. Are the 16850 or 21700 cells and what are the specs for these cells. If they are some run of the mill Chinese cells, run the other way. Himiway has in the past always claimed to be using Samsung 35E cells.
Please read my comment on another comment in this thread about the 1000 watts. A 750 W motor can take 1000 W of power from the battery and controller. Motors do not create power, they just receive power.
This is the bike, I guess this one just did not have the accessories installed on it.
Bike companies should always give motor wattage as average and maximum. In this case : 750w/1000w max. , and please say whether the motor is geared or gearless. The Himiway specifications are odd. They say the tire is both 26” & 29.8”. The Bafang motor is both a 750w & 1000w, and the Nm should be either 120Nm @750w or 80Nm@500w, yet they advertise 90Nm..
Telling us if only 1 battery can run the bike would be nice for lighter weight short trips.
I agree, the wheels are 26 inch I believe, perhaps the maximum height of the outer diameter is the 29.8 number. On the unit I reviewed the motor was stamped 750 W, which I believe is the nominal power the motor can take from the battery and controller. The 1000W number I’m guessing is the peak amount that the bike is sending to the motor based on my riding experience with it, and that hub motor should easily be able to take 1000W, I’ve written plenty of Ebikes, that send way more than 1000W to basically the same hub motor. I feel certain that this motor is a geared hub motor. I should probably get a dyno, so I can put each of these bikes on it and measure their actual power output and torque output, that would be epic.
@@TailHappyTV , That would be something new in the e-bike review space. Good idea. I’m surprised that they aren’t that expensive.
How does the owner not know the price of that bike?
It was prior to launch day
@@dbc120 Himiway instructed me to post this as is despite my requests for price etc, they would not tell me
what is the minimal saddle height and standover height? Is it true what is written on the website of Himiway because it is very high and not suitable people which are 5 feet and 6.9 inches. The website states 32" standover height and 34.6" minimal seat height. My foldable fatbike is around 34.6" but standover height is lower and handy when stopping at a traffic light.
somewhere in the mid video I try to demo this, it is a pretty big bike, but it might work for you. folding fat e-bikes tend to have lower seats, my brothers gf came to visit and the engwe engine pro ebike I have is the ONLY one she would agree to ride due to size and seat height, she's 5'2"
@@TailHappyTV thanks I appreciate your response. greetings from the Netherlands!
What is up with the fat tire trend? Are they really that great? I just bought a KBO breeze and I love it
They suck, but people think they look cool and so buy them. You can ride in the sand easier. But you will never see them anywhere other than the US
They’re pretty cool, definitely have the pros and cons which I did make a video about that recently. I actually did review the breeze on this channel and it was a great bike.
And actually you will see them outside the US, I was just in Italy for two weeks and just about everywhere I turn my head it was people riding around on folding 4“ x 20“ fat tire, electric bikes, all over Rome, Venice, Florence, etc
@@TailHappyTV to each their own, as long as it makes them happy, thanks for the great reviews
How many Wah?
hows the pedal experience w/o assist?
Lance Armstrong would probably struggle, it weighs 97 lbs.
Great reviews. Although 3-4k is not budget friendly.
Thanks, and I agree
I am guessing you did another review during a dry day?
Love those phucking tires and tread!
want to see e-bike with dual battery, dual suspension, dual hub motor and a mid drive motor, each 100w.😢
mid drive are overrated af
Looks like this bike is being ridden on in the rain. Does that mean this bike will not die in the rain? Which means it’s water proof or is it.
The owner doesn't know the price?
This video was recorded before they announced the price
@@TailHappyTV so they knew but just wasn’t permitted to say?
How do you switch from one battery to the other?
I think that they are wired together internally, and it pulls from both at the same time, which would be the ideal way in my opinion
I normally run my dual battery bike off both batteries. But I like that my batteries each have a power switch. That way if I feel like taking a long ride without trying to monitor battery levels I ride on one battery and when it is depleted then I know it is time to head home using the other battery. No worries that way.
Funny how full bars went to 3 real fast
Looks like a great bike!
Too expensive?
No, you have 30 ah battery.
You can by a Zebra or cruiser wich is much cheaper
It's only 30% more watt hours than the ripcurrent s, with 250w less at the motor, extra weight, no fenders, no taillight, for 50% more money
I wonder what that color is called. Is it blue or green?
more blue than green in person. color is no longer available thou
I don't get the whole wide tires on e-bikes that will getting used predominantly on streets and sidewalks. Makes zero sense.
The owner of the bike store couldn't tell you the price? And you didn't know either, but provided a link to the bike with the price? 🤔 It's $3000. There, I said it lol.
Be pretty hard to pedal if you did run out of juice
It's better to put a mid drive on a favorite bicycle in my opinion.
I guess it depends on the bike you have, but yeah probably?
You still need to deal with chain alignment, cable management, crank clearance, q factor and battery mounting (round tubes are not the best for mounting a flat battery)
No torque sensor and 3000$ in 2023. What a bad joke. With a better motor control, the bike would be way more efficent and wouldn’t need 1450Wh.
The Rhino pro version comes with the bafang m620 that does come with a torque sensor. But it's even more expensive at $4,000.
@@muneersmith6839 The thing is, when you want premium, you don’t buy a Himiway. Himiway is trying to be something, that they aren’t.
It's really expensive for the components, there are ebikes with new belt drives for that price range.
Belt drive is cool until you need to change gears for a hill
The freesky Alaska kills this bike man and it's $2400 usually $2000!
3000 is too much...
For what it’s worth, I do have a $50 discount code below the video 😂
Really nice bike and love the color however it's about 1000$ too expensive in my opinion of course
it is a pretty penny to ask
@@TailHappyTV I really like your review videos they are far better than any I've seen. Keep em my brotha
What a monster of a bike! Could you really go 100 miles on it?
I don't think anyone really wants to go 100 miles. It's a sales gimmick. Kinda like EV's going more than 100 mi. Most people don't drive more than 50mi / day but they want a car that gets 250+ mi. Same with ebikes. Very misunderstood.
Definitely not😄
The heavier the bike, the less efficient since empty batteries don’t weigh any less than full ones. Like EV’s. You need exponentially more than twice the battery to get twice the range.
You may not go 100 m. But have the luxury of using the throttle (using more watts) as much as you want
Website says 1000W motor? 86 Nm.
Whats the benefit of 1000w when the torq is the same as 750w? This take off even at full throttle seems very sluggish, like the aventon. Mabe at full batteries its different.
So the motor does not create any power. The motor is just rated to accept a certain level of power that the controller and battery can provide. The way that the controller delivers power to the motor on this bike is relatively gentle and gradual, which has its pros and cons. The pros of the gentle power delivery is you’ll get a smooth riding experience that does not jerk you around and you’ll get a lot more range on the battery. The downside is when you want all of the power from a stop immediately, you kind of have to wait for it to kick in gradually. Once the bike, it’s up to speed, it will give you full power, I believe that they built it this way intentionally as it is certainly an improved riding experience compared to the cruiser I reviewed last summer.
Now this is just out of the box settings, and the display could have Settings within it to allow you to change the speed at which power is delivered to the motor. The way companies rate motors can be a little bit tricky, I would say the rear hub motor on this bike could take 1500 W of power from a battery and controller for probably 30 seconds or so without overheating and failing, the stamp of 1000 W on the website is kind of just a vote of confidence that the motor can take 1000 W for an extended period of time without overheating.
These big fat tire hub motors are pretty tough, I’m actually about to take one out that’s rated for 1400w and I honestly don’t think it’s any different than the one installed on the back of the himiway Bike. The 1000 W number is probably the peak power that they have the controller tuned for delivering power to the hub motor. This is actually very common, and many of my electric bike reviews the motor is rated for 750 W, however, when I take them out for a ride, some of the displays actually show the power output in terms of a number instead of a bar indicator like seen on this bike, and that number will show 999w under full acceleration.
I hope this rant helps clear up some of the confusion 😆
Yea that explains a lot. I have a few himiways and they all have 750w motor but seem to give off different power delivery. I have the aftermarket display that show watts and one bike is limited to 996w while the other one tops 999 but I'm sure its well over if the display had another digit. I'm wondering if you felt the take off on the rhino was close to the aventon or mabe just abit better? Last if you think a 52v 20ah would be better than the dual 48v 15ah set up? I know the range would decrease but would it be worth to just carry another 52v20ah if u decide to add more range.
@@Goesriding Yes the wattage ratings on hub motors are just the recommended continuous power rating. They can take a lot more intermittently. When you see an ebikes controller amperage listed they will advertise peak amps. The continuous rating of the controller is just half of peak. So a 30 amp controller on 48v has a nominal peak wattage of 1440 watts and rated power of 720 watts. Sometimes a touch more or less depending on the battery state of charge. But that calculated peak is higher than the number you will see on a 4 digit wattage readout. It will usually be close to 10% less on the meter due to efficiency loss. My 40 amp 48v cargo bike has calculated peak of 1920 watts but only displays mid 1700s. Kepler 33 amp 52v calculates to 1716w peak but displays upper 1500s. Hope this helps.
@@jimmyjames8736 this Rhino only have 22a or 25a controller running dual 48v 15ah battery. That is going to limit it big time? Already the start up on it seems sluggish.
is this bike made from flat metal folded in a jig instead of being constructed from pre-mage hss tubes?
if it is you really don't want one because eventually the jigs get drift and you will have a crooked twisted result.
if the first fold is even slightly off, the second fold will force it square & transfer that torsion into the folds
resulting in a twisted frame that rolls crooked like a parallelogram
I returned a walke H6 for this very reason fwiw
The site says it’s frame is 6061 aluminum, which means it’s extruded as tubes then machined and welded into a bike frame. There are something like a dozen bike frame companies in China.
Fenders + rack +lights is not a big deal. The standard included stuff is cheap junk anyway, not a big deal ...
The bars are a tad forward and low for my likes. If you are a normal height, unlike some giant people.. You may need to really bend to reach those bars.😁 And they do come with fenders and rack.. Rear light integrated ... 1,000 watts
Yep .. Go back to that shop and demand a re-do with the fenders and rack bike and 1,000 watt version.😂😂
In Germany max speed 25km in USA not why 😅
Because America! Sorry Herr Bro!
2023 and 3000$ is ridiculous 😂😂😂
Yea and if you want mid drive motor it's 4cheese
They need a new marketing dept, naming a bike Rhino..What's next? Hippo? Maybe Walrus?
😂
Elefant
cock roach?
Manatee Mid drive
These claims of range are trash, same route you achieve the max range on lowest assist level and ideal conditions which know one will do, duplicate same route with throttle only and give that range.
How is a $3000 bike a budget e-bike?
it's got budget parts, but I didn't know the price at the time of filming
I like it
We purchased this Vivi 27.5” electric bike and a Tentaquil 26” electric bike for our 13 and 14 year olds. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxUiL0GnyDjP32RJdd660sP8mZk4CRLTCJ The Vivi was much easier to put together. With the Vivi, there was a video link to assist with assembly which made the process easier to follow (we did put the handlebars on upside down, but it was a quick and easy fix). With the Tentaquil, the assembly was not as simple to follow, but after we messaged the company for an assembly video, it was easier and they did respond quickly. The other major differences were that the Vivi has a grip throttle on the right handle (like a motorcycle) and the Tentaquil has a push throttle that you use your thumb to activate. The monitors were also different, so if you’re looking for something specific in terms of changing the bikes functions, pay attention to what the monitor offers. We were really impressed with the overall quality and functionality of both bikes, but if you’re looking for more power and an easier assembly, definitely go with the Vivi!
I really like it.
then I have some others you'll like coming soon (dual battery, full suspension)
Nice bike but the price is a big NO NO!
Really cool but $3000 is ridiculous.
ASLunar not so ridiculous when you consider the features. All electric bikes are outrageously expensive.
@@arnoldanderson1501 I would actually say so. The Lectric XPremium for example also has dual battery with 100 mile range, fat tires, hydraulic disk brakes, front suspension, mid drive, is foldable, and is almost half the price ($1599). Even if you didn't like the style of the XPremium, the Aventon Aventure 2 has most of what the Rhino offers minus the range for $1800. This bike on the other hand charges an ADDITIONAL $1000 (so $4000 total!!) for a mid drive.
In fact as I was typing this I realized the Himiway Rhino went from my original "really cool" to "who would even buy this?"
@@arnoldanderson1501 rhinocoulos
Lost me at 48 V lol.
Haha, 72v or nothing, yolo 😜
@@TailHappyTV 60 V for me 🥲 Got My first E bike like 4 months ago. 60 V 20 Ah 40 amp controller, 1,000 watt continuous with 2,300 watts output. 26 by 4 fat tires, 39 mph twist throttle for 1,999$ plus shipping. Decent price.
@@TailHappyTV one day i will get the 72V & a 5k watt motor. Or maybe ill go straight for the 8k motor.
Too heavy, not enough features, and too expensive for what you receive.
Dual motor Dual suspension=sale.
Keep your eyes peeled, I might have something for you coming to the channel very soon.
OVERPRICED E..BIKE😊
Himiway Rhino is garbage, HAOQI Cheetah is a much better bike and you’re looking at 1.2k watt hours for $2k compared to 1.44k watt hours for $3k on the Himiway Rhino.