A POWERFUL Story of Sobriety, Resilience & Redemption | Michael Chernow x Rich Roll
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
- Michael Chernow is a restaurateur, entrepreneur, and the founder of Kreatures of Habit. We discuss his cinematic journey from addiction to inspiring others, the power of daily habits, small wins, healing your inner child, and more. He reminds us that it’s never too late to change, no matter how far gone you think you are. READ MORE👉🏾 bit.ly/richroll842
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TIMECODES
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:47 Sharing recovery stories
00:09:10 The power of extreme commitment
00:13:00 Reaching the lowest point
00:19:13 The challenge of addiction and the difficulty for non-addicts to understand its power
00:23:30 Childhood trauma, abuse, and the impact on mental health and relationships
00:27:47 Survival tactics, chameleon behavior, and seeking love and acceptance
00:30:51 Drugs as a temporary solution and the feeling of control and escape
00:32:21 Leaving home at 15, independence, and finding freedom on the streets
00:33:46 Balancing school and life on the streets
00:36:08 AD BREAK
00:37:27 Restaurant Journey
00:42:18 Overcoming Adversity
00:47:32 Fitness and Sobriety
00:52:18 The early days of recovery
00:57:04 Establishing a daily routine
01:02:37 The importance of discipline and structure
01:06:29 AD BREAK
01:09:19 Living in the present and prioritizing family
01:20:14 Gratitude Practice
01:29:34 Fear and Optimism
01:31:29 Meatball Shop Success
01:35:03 Building an institution
01:37:53 Lessons from a meeting
01:39:57 Success in the restaurant business
01:48:32 The power of culture
01:52:39 Creatures of Habit concept
01:54:39 Starting Creatures of Habit
01:59:50 Impact of food-based decisions
02:02:42 Commitment and consistency breeding confidence
02:07:09 The power of small wins
02:09:38 Challenges in building a business
02:10:05 Motivation beyond money
02:11:15 Creatures of Habit
02:11:44 Digital Business and Transparency
02:13:13 Connecting with Customers
02:14:11 Breathwork Experience
02:21:57 Virtual Breathwork Sessions
02:25:25 Emotional Release and Healing
02:27:42 Visceral Vision and Healing
02:28:35 Rich's Breathwork Experience
02:30:29 Group Holotropic Breathing
02:31:35 The virtual experience
02:32:12 Therapy through breathwork
02:34:10 Inner child revelation
02:38:14 Commitment to fatherhood
02:40:08 Advice for those struggling
02:43:27 Conclusion
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Pray for me. I am 3 months clean today. It’s been really hard, but it’s change that will make me a better person. God bless.
Praying for you
Pray for others and you'll receive great benefit.
@TheDailyDoseofMentalHealth101 praying for you. You can do it. If I can do it, so can you. I run and workout and go to work. That's my new sober life now. I love running. Love endorphins.
You are strong. You have power to do what you want. Remember that always❤
I was 8 months sober then relapsed and was 5 weeks. Now I'm 3 days ...I wish I could get back to my mindset when I was at 8 months..
This one touched me deep. There’s more than a few things shared that I won’t forget and will use for personal gains.
Side note- I think this level of vulnerability between two men on a public platform is so beautiful.
I am unemployed in recovery. I have been really depressed lately. I have always been a fan of Rich Roll,but this guy Michael Chernow Kicks ass! These two guys built a firm foundation that kept them clean,and sober. Then they found a purpose that moved them into an unbelievable life of success,and hope. Michael speaks from the heart. His words will help keep many people clean,and sober.
Over two years ago I quit cold turkey. Tbh, AA didn’t really do it for me. I tried to attend meetings, tried the 12 steps… but it just wasn’t for me. I turned my energy into fitness and haven’t looked back since. Obviously most of us need outside help, but I’m just sharing my story. I was a hardcore addict. I am so glad those days are over. I hated looking at myself in the mirror. He’s right when he said we’re disciplined at keeping the addiction going. I somehow managed to refocus that discipline to something positive. Good luck to you who is reading this. It can be done.
I've started my journey, going from drugs and alcohol to running and lifting. I've got a 5k on the 20th of this month. Just jumping right in. I'm 49. Time is of the essence to me. Life is so precious. I've lost alot. There is family I will probably never get back, but I'm still trying to heal that, and I'm just so grateful for life that it's often times overwhelming. I love myself for the first time ever, and I'm gonna be the best fucking me possible. Keep it up. You are an inspiration.
@@thornburymatthew damn brother, not many comments hit me, but that ones hits hard because I know exactly where you're at. I ran a half marathon at 48, 2 years ago, no experience just dove in like you. People like us need that daily grind and goal setting. No more wasting time, we've wasted enough of our lives on dumb shit. We're in the back half now so let's crush it. I'm rooting for you brother!!! It's never too late to get on the path!
@SF_Native Exactly bro. It's never too late. And no more fuckin around. Structure, patience, and discipline like the man said. It's a relief at least to know there are people out there like me trying to get out there and be their best selves possible. Thank you, so much. Everyone around me in my life today isn't doing what I'm doing. They're not even on that level. I feel alone in this at times, so thank you again. Well, I slept in until 6 today. Time to get at it.
What about your spiritual "fitness"? Rest assured, one day when you least expect it, Life is going to drop an emotional bomb on you. Then what? AA isn't about not drinking, it's about learning the truth of who we are, accepting the truth about who we are, and acquiring the tools and wisdom to endure life's "acid tests".
Best wishes, Mark✌
@@markg.4246Depends on the type of alcoholic you are. AA pushes this insane narrative that people drink to "escape" or "deal with stress", that you're "powerless", etc. Maybe for some that's true, but for me and plenty of others, it just feels great. For us, AA is worse than useless. It's best to come to a point where you hate what you've become enough that you want to eradicate that part of you. Worked for me. Self-hatred.
This just popped up on my feed i have struggled with Alcohol most of my life 3 weeks in with no drink. Thank you sharing and wish everyone best of health
Hope you’re doing well my friend! Best of luck 🙏🏻❤️
❤ I am celebrating 16 sweet years of sobriety today! “God wink.”
Thank you for sharing openly about your experiences! ❤
2 years and 5 month sober - I’m happy
"Not only am I alive, but I'm living." Love that.
Living and thriving❤
This is the type of guests that I love about this podcast so much. Michael is one of my favorite people on the planet.
Sober since 9/13/2008. I always hear something new that I relate to bc I'm always growing and changing through my sobriety.
Stopping the generational trauma pattern is the greatest gift to yourself and your children. What a wonderful example of resurrection and recovery. Thank you both for enlightening my day, and I'm sure many others who will listen to this, ODAT!
Some of us who cut the intergenerational trauma cord will never have children
I think this is now my favorite episode you have done, RR. Wow, I have listened to you for a long time and I think you and your guests get better and better every year. Thank you for being a bright light in this world!
I feel you! Potent honest and real!
This is one of the most inspiring and resonant pods Ive listened to. I resisted at first but there are so many elements that have deeply inspired me to get into radical action…I’m 46, 4 yrs sober and have been deep into recovery and healing and growing…this one got me feeling even more excited about all of the possibilities. Thank you rich and thank you Michael.
I went to Peru, spent a month in the jungle and emerged 100% sober since November 2018. Trauma healing is the ticket to an authentic life ❤️
Amazing story. I have been struggling with addiction for many years . Can’t say that I have it mastered because it’s one day at a time, I have failed many times but it’s people like this and rich roll that helps motivate that day to day discipline. Hold steady and keep driving guys . ✌️
You got this
For me, the most profound statement from Michael was the fact he puts taking care of himself first before anything. ❤
So right, that's a crucial point. I have to learn to do that.
Michael. Please never apologize for showing emotion which is basically showing the depth of your love. I appreciate your showing your love and gratitude. wow
Michael thanks for being so vulnerable and honest. It's refreshing to see a real "man" be himself = without apologies.
What a conversation! I loved every moment of it and would have listened for 4 more hours. There is so much value and I identify with so much. I don’t think I would have connected as much if I wasn’t in a 12 step program, the family chaos and the inner child….oh my God!
I have just started to do the work, thank you so much Michael for sharing your experience, strength and hope.
I also own a restaurant, I laugh, sing and dance with my guests, I want them to leave with an experience, I want them to remember how good they felt for the 3 or 4 hours they were in my restaurant- culture!
Thanks Rich for bringing us these conversations🙏🏾
This session with Rich and Michael should also be called “Forks”. The parallel is incredible. “The Bear” Season 2, Episode 7 called “Forks” represents so many things: figuring out your place in the world, stepping through the sliding door, recovery, and most importantly understanding service; not just in hospitality, but in giving the gift of taking care of others. It’s a brilliant mind-fork. While surprise & delight is one of the keys to success of Eleven Madison Park and many great restaurants, it’s the realization that giving service is rewarding to those you serve, but first provides yourself with the understanding that it serves yourself too. Just like exercise and getting yourself moving, servicing others pushes you forward. When you’re on a plane they say that in case of an emergency put your oxygen mask on first then help the person next to you. Take care of yourself to take care of others, in hospitality. In service. Michael hit the fork in the road some time ago and had to make a decision on which way to turn to get to the other side. In fact, it was in the TV show called “Consumed” when Michael and his The Meatball Shop partner Daniel (whom I used to think was a meat ball, but now I adore him), are sitting next to each other in their tiny office, and Michael glances over and you can see he knows the path to take. He just has to say it out load. He finally did. He’s just like Richie from The Bear - finally found his calling. He’s been a hospitality maven forever but finally realized the path forward, in service to others. . In The Bear, Garrett notes: “I just like being able to serve other people now. You know? I think that's why restaurants and hospitals use the same word ‘hospitality.’” Rich and Michael are both serving others now, and it’s better hospitality than any restaurant in the world.
I can truly say...Rich Roll, you are my all time favorite podcaster. This episode is simply one of your best. A life changing and charismatic share. Truly magical in numerous ways, and filled with humility. A huge thank you to you both. 💕
Thanks for having Michael on your show. An authentic discussion about transformation. So good.
I’ve made immense progress in my life since recovery. It was ten years ago when I made drastic changes. I don’t know if I’d say my life is leaps and bounds better, and that’s ok. My life is better in most areas, but I’ve accepted my social life will never be the same. And I’ve made my peace with that.
A myth about recovery is that it will be so much better on the other side. Maybe, but life in recovery, especially the first 2-5 years may be more difficult. And that’s what I love about my life now. That I persevered through that shot show of physical, spiritual, and emotional healing to emerge on the other side a faaaar more righteous man.
It’s hard to see the difference sometimes cause you’re in it everyday and lack the ability to skip back and forth and compare. But by the way you explained it, it sounds like you’re much better off than you were, so kudos to you :-)
Agreed. Sober life is great, but I have to admit it’s not nearly as fun. Haha, but there’s pros and cons to everything right?
@@SF_Native Welll said…I’ll take a better career, more fulfilling hobbies, closer relationships with those that matter most, to name a few things I’ll gladly trade for alcoholic parties and solo drinking.
@@timmyj2366 10000% agreed. I find the times I feel like I want to break and relapse is when my mind says “remember how fun July 4th was when we would get drunk and high until the next day!?” Then I try to remember how I felt the next day. And that usually felt like death. Lol
@@SF_Native No kidding….4th of July used to be a mess for me🤦🏽For sure a two day hang over. Stay well my friend, and happy Independence Day🇺🇸
Thank you, Rich, for your platform and for introducing me to Michael Chernow. I too have made the choice to live my sobriety out loud, for better or worse. I don't proselytize, but I lead with my gratitude always for where I am today. My sober journey is not anyone else's and it can't be, so I won't tell people what I think they should do, because what do I know about their lives? Nothing. But this is who I am, and this is why I am who I am.
Thanks again! Loving this episode.
God this is sooooooooooo potent. Love you guys. This is the raw real honest human DEAL. Hail Mary. Full of GRACE. Deep bow to you both. CJ x
Fuck yes. I've never heard of Rich Roll. I stumbled upon this guy looking at Nick Bare's hybrid training stuff. Im a recovering alcoholic and addict. I'm at a shelter. I've had to say goodbye to the love of my life and move out because she was getting high and I didnt want to do it anymore. I couldn't save her. I could only do what's right for me. Anyway im babbling. Yeah, this is an amazing podcast. Ive got a great job i somehow have managed to keep during all my drunk escapades and reckless behavior. Im here at the shelter saving up for my own apartment. Something of my own for the first time finally at age 49. Should be in by the beginning of August. I still smoke cigarettes but am cutting down to a complete stop hopefully because ive got myself to register for a 5k thats on the 20th. I'm not even a runner. Well, actually...I am NOW. FUCK YES. Im so grateful to be sober and so grateful for life to the point of tears at times. I've never loved myself like i do today. Life is so precious. I'm just so excited and scared shitless to start an actual real happy life finally at age 49. Anyway, great podcast. I've got more hope. This really helped. Amazing inspiration.
Inspiring
This guy is just an amazing human being! Was very touched when he became emotional speaking about his kid, such a true love, true power and strength in it. Thank you very much for being so open and honest! Wish you and your family all the best in life!
BEST RICH ROLL EPISODE EVER! Well, actually it feels every other episode has led to this one. And I’ve listened to every one! Thank you again for being the absolutely best in the biz RR ❤
Most amazing share and conversation with two beautiful men. Thank you for sharing such faith and also the tools that have helped you transmute addiction into purpose.
Yay! Celebrating extreemists! 32 days alcohol free and I know my defiance, determination and extreemism is guiding me! Grateful for this superpower within me!
I agree with his philosophy of sharing the message with others. I hesitate to share mine unless others seem open to it. I admire your courage in doing this on a public platform.
I truly appreciate listening to Rich Roll. He is so REAL. I can't tell you how many episodes I have LOVED and RELATED to. I even did a sprint tri-athalon in 2019 after I started listening to Rich Roll.
What a wonderful guest - Michael is. I have a son who I can't wait to share this episode with. And we will definitely take the train to Frank's which also happens to be my father's name. I will listen to this episode a few times in orders to take in all of the pearls of wisdom. Thank you both for the inspiration
This episode and you two are the real deal. Super powerful and inspiring. Thanks for going there! ❤
What an incredible man with an incredible story of courage and perseverance resulting in an overwhelming amount of gratitude and love - Thankyou Rich and the team at the RRP for creating the space for him to be able to share honestly and deeply.
Good stuff! I’m almost 6 months sober after 40 years of chaos and heavy drinking. Keep up the great content!
This will help many. Thanks guys.🙏🏼
Loved every moment of this conversation. Thank you both.
This man's love for his son had me tearing up. Beautiful 💯
I really love, understand and relate so well to this episode Rich, you're amazing, during covid I really got into listening to your podcast and I tell people you're my mentor, lots of people tell you how you've made a difference in their lives and I too am one of those🙏
Sometimes when listening to your guests it’s hard for me to connect with them cos I feel threatened by their such strong will and commitment to their lives, definitely for me to work on a lot of aspects in my life. It’s also admirable at the same time. I appreciate he shared such a personal experiences even tho he said it might sound woohooo. That’s the area that has so much to offer and sometimes it’s hard to talk about it because it’s almost impossible to find the best words to describe it. I believe that if more humans would get rid of the fear of unknown and do the breath work we could truly heal many aspects of our lives+ generational traumas. Thank you so much for this lovely talk and hope it will connect with everyone 🍀
I got so many takeaways from this podcast. It’s one of the best. Thank you both 🙏❤
this has been one of my favorite episodes so far 👍🏽👍🏽✨🙏🏽♥️ his advice really resonated with me and i will be applying it to my life . excited to check out his work as well
Wow! Amazing conversation & totally inspirational- so full of hope. Thank YOU!❤
Beautiful conversation❤. Thank you. I believe in the power of prayer. Most people, in thinking of the power of prayer, want to know whether prayer will heal the sick and answer the needs of their lives. In prayer we are given the bounty of being able to ask for whatever our heart desires, whether it is for healing for our selves or another, for the material necessities of life, or for the spiritual awakening of ourselves or our loved ones. The power of God is ready to be channeled through our prayers.
196 Days Today. Folks In The Rooms Won't Stop Throwing My Past In My Face. Trying To Stay Positive & Working The Steps. Currently On Step 4. Haven't Experienced Any Of The Promises Nor A Spiritual Awakening. Just Getting A Lot Of Friction From Haters, My Spirit Is Hurting Real Bad, I Wish I Was Dead. Please Pray For Me 🙏🧘💔☮️🌎🌏🌍
Just remember that those who are against you now are scared of what your success means to them and what they haven't accomplished. Keep going! Good people will enter your life soon.
Truth is we love ourselves more than all others but we were disconnected from it growing up. Ask yourself, who do you want to gift those 196 days to - YOU or folks that don’t know how to do it for themselves…’cause everyone’s got something bad going. Do NOT ever let one day, one thing or person, rob you of the love you have been bringing back to life within yourself. YOU are who matters MOST to you. You are #ONE to YOU. #One to infinity!!! We love you here - STICK WITH US!!! 💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝💝
I love you unconditionally from this end! 💖💖💖 Make that your mantra first thing every single morning. “Ulibeck out there loves me to the moon and back!💔❤️🩹❤️❤️🔥☮️💟☯️ Meditate when you first wake up - even while you’re still under covers, eyes closed. Love you 196 X trillions.🧘🏻♀️
We hurt a lot of peeps for a long time. The more focus on them, the less we focus on us. You have to look for the little miracles like 196 days.
Look into other recovery programs that might fit you better.
Getting sober can suck, but it's definitely worth it by far. I like that meditation book called 30 Days to Sobriety by Harper Daniels.
Love love love this! such a good conversation. I am also in recovery and totally identify. and the breathwork experience was very similar to mine the first time i did it, brought lots of emotions up xx
Sobriety is power.
man. i love his outlook of success as service. thats always been my ideology. this interview is amazing.
What a beautiful podcast. We are never to old to change!!!!
Listened to this one on podcast/iphone over a couple of days when walking into work (London) - Such a great episode!
This was incredible. Michael and Rich are truly inspirational.
Loved it! Thank you Rich and thank you Michael !🙏
So incredibly profound and inspiring and beautiful ♥️‼️ I shared with many ♥️‼️ thank you ❤️‼️
Loved this!! Thanks for sharing.
WOW - These are the episodes I love!! This really hit home 100%
I have a relationship with Spirit too. I'm still going! Things have not been easy and I didn't do it alone. So beautiful. I'm so happy for you. ❤️
These are very good podcasts. TY, gents..I'm struggling with being an alco. I lost everything over this demon.I can't afford a gym. I'm homeless living in my trusty steed of a car.
Take care.All my best. I keep going to meetings, though. I had to walk out because I had dry heaves and shakes though.
Shit hopefully doesn't last forever. Something's gotta turn out right.
Thank you. Maybe the best interview i have heard in a while. Having an incredibly hard time at the moment. Not sure what to do. Will re listen❤
You got this. 🤍
@@rickieredlack6086 thanks😁
Hang in there.
I have never heard of this type of breathing. I’m gonna have to start. I love this podcast wow.
New videos are always exciting to see!
Amazing pod & discussion. Thanks
Very nice gentleman. Thanks for sharing your stories and helping others.
Wow. This was incredible. Thank you.
Legendary interview. What a story... and what a journey, too.
Much wisdom here, thanks!
Thank you for all you do. I wanted to just say on the optimism thing I have it too and there’s nine siblings in my family and none of them have it so I think it’s just who you are sometimes. Not even my parents had it.
So good! Thank you!
Great work sir! 👏🏽
This was great thank you
Incredible conversation❤
Great podcast; here's an observation I have as a young 50 year old woman who had a slight similar situation and my super power is the ability to connect with everyone however for women it's so much harder to find the tribe find the way to share the story to make an impact.. just a thought
You guys are doing a great work and I pray that you will continue being true to Self and the message 🙏 ... Sobriety is Priority 😅
Wow what Michael said about his father remanded of my mother. She did say I love you but her behavior could be so hurtful. She also couldn't really be a mother. She never worked on her mental illness or addiction issues.
Please interview the infinitely delightful Rory Sutherland. You’re both so eloquent. It will be a memorable interview. Thank you for always sharing great content 🙏🏼
Lovely talk🙏
Please have the breath guy on the Podcast!! The people need to learn this 🙏 love the conversation
Outstanding episode. Very inspiring story.
great interview
The connected breath.. transformational breathwork is profound work...
I, too, grew up on the Upper East Side and first attended PS 183 and then Ethical Culture. You should have seen the city and subways in the early to mid 1970s. Scary shit. This is a great interview.
What a great person
Amazing story ❤️
i love the discussion , bravo guys ! inspiring ( meatball shop -less sure about that part- i am saying that laughing of course )
Long term sobriety is not only possible, but probable..."IF"... we are willing to work for it, and remain teachable. Simple as that!
so inspiring.
Powerful
Excellent
about to begin my sobriety journey. 7+ years of smack and opioids use just to feel normal. To deal with anxiety, self esteem, racing mind, and impulsive behaviour all in the midst of layoff and ongoing debt. Would love your help and support as I cant do it by myself. I am just tired now. Tired of being wake everyday to start from zero and just do enough to get by because you just cant function. I know I have to change. The one good thing is that now without job I kinda know what I want to do. Pursue a career in software engineering building stuff. Kinda feel like I have a purpose which is to get really good at what I do. I am a hindu but for some time I am getting curious about bible. Its may be because Jordan Peterson lectures. But I feel I am not lost anymore. Change is hard. Change is slow. As long as there is life there is hope.
Love you all!
its easy for me to stop drinking,i do it everyday when i pass out before bad.
The part from 1:16:00 is❤
02:14:00 Sounds like he opened his heart chakra. Is that woo woo?
I think a lot of addicts thrive in chaos. I certainly do.
I think stopping 3-day benders with no sleep is pretty revolutionary, but I guess every addict is different.
Scrubbing graffiti, especially then, was a way for crime to communicate as well... that made an impact I promise!!
Everything evolves .... aa needs to spread the message .. the founders used to go out and loo for the alcoholics . I never understood why the aa fellows are not doing the same
So many things can come along that are superficial and carry us temporarily through sobriety.
One day, however, the piper must be paid. It may be a day later, a decade, or a lifetime later.
Over the years I've been privy to it all, including those who end up 6 months or a day before their death in their 50's or 80's, and suddenly they become aware of everything they avoided facing.
Food, exercise, art, family, marriage, travel, work, etc. can all seem a panacea and even be evidenced as such for years by way of being distracted from root causes.
Can a lifetime of avoidance be better than the flash before dying of overwhelming suffering and regret?
What was the name of the marketing book that was mentioned? I can't find again!
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