Wrong, it was the Lombards who took over Italy after the fall of the Roman empire, the Norman's showed up later. Fun fact, first time the mohamedians tried to take Medina, the Lombard stomped their ass, and were going to chase them to their homeland and wipe them off the earth, but it was the Norman's who talked them out of it. Soon as the Lombard got tired of running things and allowed Charlemagne to take over, that's when Medina fell.
Apparently DNA testing for recreational purposes is not legal in France, only for medical, scientific or judicial purposes, so this could effect the score of Germanic/Viking haplogroups.
Not legal, but come on, everyone can do one. I have. I have both Germanic (predominant, closest matches being Cherusci) and Celtic genes. The thing about Genetix tests is you realize that ethnicity is bogus. We are Europeans first and foremost. Tracing ancestry has brought me all other Europe, from the Balkans to Iceland. Nationalities are just artificial frontiers and language, but your genes come from everywhere.
@@jp16k92yes I agree it’s possible to get test done (I live in France but I could get test kit sent to family in uK) but the test suppliers are banned from selling kits to French residents. All I’m saying is that because of the fact that the French test much less than every other EU country, the ethnicity percentages could be skewed.
@@Angryhippo9117 that, indeed, is a possibility. To the best of my knowledge, the only company that doesn’t sell kits in France is Ancestry. The others do via their websites. However, you’re pointing a very important point that, I believe, isn’t necessarily reserved to France, that is the sample size. It is also the main issue with ancient ancestry tests. A sampling of population isn’t necessarily representative of the population as a whole. I guess we have to be content with what's available at the moment. It’s already a huge leap forward in determining our ancestry, provided you take it with a grain of salt! 🤫
@@jp16k92 of course our genes come from everywhere if we go back far enough. But there is a difference between having African ancestors 10,000 years ago and African ancestors 100 years ago.
Finns don't have "more Finno-Ugric dna than anything else". The Siberian genetic component found in Finns averages roughly 8% and larger contributions exist from the Proto-Balts, Proto-Germanics and the old non-Indo-European natives of the northeastern Baltic region. Also the haplogroup I1 found in Finland has been identified as a unique branch that separated from the rest around 3000 years ago and it along with its subclades are almost exclusively found among Finns (and Sami). It's likely the I1 in Finland is largely not connected to mixing with Germanic speakers and instead they're remnants of the non-Indo-European people who were in the region. These people then mixed and were assimilated with the incoming Uralic speakers carrying the N1 haplogroup. Only 10% or 15% of the I1 in Finland is more closely linked with modern Scandinavians and that portion of I1 in Finland is connected to the Swedish settlement in Finland started during the Middle Ages. And while the Swedish connected I1 is found in the areas Swedes were settled (the western coastal areas), the Finnish I1 is found all around the country. The main thing that makes Finns unique genetically is not the Siberian genes or lack of "European" ones, it's because ancestral Finns experienced a significant population bottleneck around 4000 years ago leading to the lack of genetic diversity.
Finns are in some ways even the most european, when it comes to ancient european, hunter gatherer european. With balts and scandinavians close behind and being generally similar
@@TheM41a Doubt it is most. Estonians average 5% and Volga Finnic groups 11%. Assimilation of Sami increased the Finnish average, but the majority of the Siberian admixture was still from the proto-Finns themselves.
I'm sorry but I have done two dna tests now and have found them utterly fascinating. I had done my genealogy for 30 years and all my known ancestry was in the UK . Until I did a dna test and discovered I had a strand of Finnish and loads of Finnish dna matches. It's been a joy to research. 🙂
i just recently took a dna test and found in my recent ancestry they say 2.5%Finnish which is a puzzler roughly at the 3xgreat grandparent level (roughly 1785 to about 1825 in my family history). the only Finn i am aware of is or was b ca 1625-35 and part of the New Sweden colony.
I tested my parents (well, why not? I was interested in my father's maternal lineage) and despite being 100% German for recent generations, the company tagged my father as close to half from the British Isles. After further thought and research, I think it ties in with the Germanic migration to the British Isles, since that 'further research' indicated that 1200 years ago there's a strong genetic link to Denmark and Southern Sweden, so yes, those Norsemen really got around and their descendants didn't stay in one place either. There were a couple other interesting things that are really lost in the mists of time, but interesting that a genetic signature still shows up thousands of years later.
@@deadcatbounce3124 In Yorkshire specifically the York area is where all the viking ancestors are, they trace their ancestors to Denmark and Southern Sweden. The rest of the vikings where no doubt wiped out in the Harrying of the North. The Angles and Saxon spread didnt have much Scandinavian at all, but I think the Fimbulwinter/Ragnarok 536AD brought a lot more people down from up north into Denmark and so on.
This is so interesting. I always thought I was German based on where my grandparents were born. After DNA, I found that I'm a large part Danish and Swedish!
Not in full. Some of them were from R origin, some from I, some from N. All the nations are a mixture or a bouquet of different admixtures where there are two major components and many other slight admixtures with different influence degree.
Only about a third of Germanic DNA came from Indoeuropeans. Original western hunter gatherers and Neolithic farmers each contributed about a third to the base genetics.
The problem I have with haplogroups is that your Y or mt is such a tiny fragment of your overall lineage. Obviously it may tell you something, but that something can be very misleading if you interpret it as representing all your blood (because it doesn’t).
Yeah. Haplogroups can survive just through random fluctuations in survival and mating where the overall percentage of related DNA to the “original” source population of the haplogroup is tiny. Y-Haplogroups of modern populations are useful, but really need to be considered alongside mt and somatic DNA samples , as well as ancient and medieval samples to build a better picture. Looking simply at Y-haplogroups of modern populations led to a lot of conclusions that turned out to be wrong once more kinds of sampling became possible.
So your problem isn't with haplogroups. Your problem is with how some extremists (very few) interpret it falsely and take it too far. Haplogroups can tell us a lot, and help us a lot in genealogy and understanding population movements. There are tons of haplogroup projects on FamilyTreeDNA for example that do wonders. And my own haplogroup helped shed a light on where my Forest Finn ancestors came from. The more people that get tested, the more we know. Of course you can't take anything at face value. But that's just basic scientific understanding. That whole identity bs with haplogroups is just a tiny fraction of uninformed people that don't know anything about genetics.
@@PohjanKarhu It’s not just the racial identity extremists though (though that does exist as a percentage of the people who are into Y-Haplogroup studies in particular). But totally down the centre or probably overall liberal scientists made a lot of errors when making deductions about the past based on just Y-Haplogroup data from modern populations that were revealed to be wrong once more kinds of data became available. So overall, taking just Y-Haplogroup data from modern populations to draw conclusions about medieval or ancient population structure, as is done in this video, is not a very sound methodology. Love Thor’s videos, but this needs more different kinds of data incorporated to sure up the conclusions.
Additionally, it really doesn't tell you a lot about any particular cultural observations, likes social status, structure, religious beliefs, etc. Bc it cannot tell you that, but people, both ethnic identitarians and various academics make an astonishing amount of assumptions about the lives and beliefs of this group or that group without much supporting evidence.
The Basque people, one the earliest peoples, some were seafaring and trading way before Columbus, and according to one vid, some settled on the west coast of Britain, in Scotland, Ireland, and Wales... and later joined with Vikings. Thanks, always appreciate your videos. Oh, also they have common words with the Finnish language.
My brother and I took DNA tests and those came back as predominately "Norwegian" Our family came from England, Ireland, Scotland and the area near Frankfurt Germany. When we began to study the history of the areas within the British Isles where our family originated; we realized that these were areas that had been settled by the Vikings. We weren't sure about the predominance of Vikings around Frankfurt Germany. This video was enlightening. Thank you. (subscribed) My advice, if you can afford it, would be to have DNA tests from more than one company.
Haplogroups are interesting in telling something about general population movements, but not really about individuals. Also R1b and R1a are common among Germanic people. The Norman Conquest actually was predominantly French people not Vikings.
I agree, as a woman I can only trace my mtDNA haplop group, and I was on the idea to ask one of my paternal male cousins to take a DNA test. But then I would only have 2 different haplop groups, and going 3 generations back I have 8 possible differnt 4 Y and 4 mt next generation 16 and so on. My mtDNA haplopgroup is however a rather rare one, very few in Norway, and my maternal line was lokated in the same city for 6 generations. So I don't really see the point.
Calling I1 a germanic hapologroup is inaccurate because it originated before Indo European migrations, who introduced the proto Germanic language. As far as Viking DNA is concerned, certainly a large proportion would be I1, especially from Sweden. However there would also be large proportions of r1a and r1b (indo European haplogroups)
Specific downclade of I1 is germanic and it originated during IE migrations, why are you talking about HG when you don't understand difference between I1, I1a and the rest of them?
My grandparents were recent immigrants to the usa. I can tell you when i was a young adult it was still the culture to only marry within that immigrant group. I caught a lot of flak from my family for not adhering to this. I have over 80% Scandinavian dna with the I haplogroups well represented. No doesn't mean I'm a Viking. Just that my ancestry comes from northern Europe. I have fish allergies but i thought that was odd with my ancestry coming from people with a lot of fish in their diet. I looked up fish allergies and found it Scandinavian people have the highest number of fish allergies in the world. Anyhow. Another interesting video. Thank you.
Real I does not mean viking, but germanic °° We real germans were also the same origins, we have still I2 variant older than I1 same as in Sweden °° These romans plus roman hybrids together with the slavics do this ultra evil cruelest genocide against us with genetic swamping deleterious hybridization forceful interracial reproduction outbreeding eugenics and other mass war crimes against humanity as executions, pillaging, starvation as a method of warfare …We were the same I1 and I2 variants as the scandinavians!! Bro, we are your fathers, son normally must help us last germanics in germanistan where this evil cruel genocide takes place right now ://
I reckon the amount of Viking blood pumping through Palermo might just be because Harald Hardrada, a varangian at the time, despite attacking the island on behalf of the Byzantine seems to have been a mostly welcome conqueror and that might have borne some good fruit down there. That would be exciting to see actually
@@RackerPaS Harald (and other Varangians) was in Sicily at the very time the Normans were starting to get established, and fought with them against Saracens in Sicily and later - unsuccessfully - against them when they revolted against the Byzantines - indeed Harald fought alongside and against Robert de Guiscard's elder half-brother William Iron Arm. However at that time most of the fighting was in the east of SIcily around Syracuse; Palermo was still firmly in Saracen hands. That only changed after Robert's conquests, by which time Harald was long back in Norway and the expeditionary part of the Varangian guard had been stuck in the very heel of Italy near Otranto for years.
@@dionb5276 The Varangian Guard was just a military unit and the personal protection force of the Byzantine rulers. Of course, this was also used in Sicily and Harald, later King of Norway, led it. But we're not talking about military operations here, but rather about a very clearly present Nordic DNA in Sicily. A long-standing kingdom is more likely. As we know, these were the French Normans. Only a constant transmission from as many carriers as possible leaves such a DNA trace and not a few warriors who were there for a few weeks.
I’m confused. Haplogroup l seems not really widespread and dominant. NW Europe is more R haplogroup in my understanding, check out all population and cross check them with the I haplogroup, all low percentages.
I'm fullblood dutch. I have researched my ancestry from my mother and father line back almost 600 years. (i have Frankish, Saxon and Frisian blood so all major dutch tribes from the early middle ages) ) But when i did a DNA test they say i'm 58% scandinavian and 42% English and no Northern europe. So i understand your aversion of DNA tests.
The DNA of the North Sea Germanic people is almost identical to that of North Germanic people. I1 went almost to the Harz. You have no English ancestry, just a high match. This means that you are probably descended primarily from Saxons and Angli with a Frisian/Franconian admixture. Many Saxons also became Frisians because they immigrated to this area after 300 after the population there declined sharply.
@@Teutonick143 There must be a mix-up there. In particular, we are talking about Old Saxony in northern Germany. The first DNA tests were simple and showed areas of match without a familial connection. If a southern German had Celtic genes, Ireland or Shottland was shown to him, without taking into account that Celts were also in southern Germany.
You also have to consider the algorithm that the testing company uses when assigning regions, they typically only go back 400-500 years to see how the dominants haplos were distributed at that time. Since you're primarily Germanic, they decided to assign you areas that just might have had a slightly higher percent match on whatever markers that company uses; a different company might use different markers and have a different reference database. My father's results were a similar puzzle, it came back as close to 50% British Isles (what? we're Scottish?) when everything for generations was German; I ultimately attributed it to successful ancestors whose progeny moved all around the Baltic and North Seas, and some of those ancestors were 1000, 2000 or more years ago, yet their genetic signature still shows up today.
I1 isnt the only germanic lineage, the early anglo-saxons were only about 1/3 I1 with the rest being R1b-U106 or R1b-P312 and subclades of I2a also haplogroups are only a single chromosome out of 46, so you have to look autosomal "ancestry"
@@antonyreyn i1 has been found in bell beakers and single grave people its definitely indo-european, just had massive founders effect going into Scandinavia
@@OzitoCementMixerCMX-120 thanks that's interesting but check out the coment on here from Finland in which they point out the highest province with I1 has only 0.38 percent Swedish speakers. They say the I1 was pre IE and that echoes what I have heard. Cheers
@@OzitoCementMixerCMX-120 hi the comment from Finland was by Krisu Ola if u want to see it, how come they say I1 and are not IEuro but Fino ugrian? Cheers
Western Norway has a different DNA due to migration from the North down the coast, from the Stone Age. Among others, we have haplogroup Q ancestors from Siberia, and so we are distant cousins to the Native Americans. That is why we share some shamanic traditions.
Haplogroup Q is from the Huns. Attila's army is predominantly Ostrogoths and Scythians, Huns were the organizers and leaders of the Hunno-Gothic Confederate. Attila's father is a Bulgar but his mother is a Scythian, his wife is from Gothic origin. After his death, his two elder sons and daughter remained in the West with their adherents, the youngest Ernik returned to his grandmothers lands, in what is now Ukraine, and founded Magna Bulgaria. .Attila is not the name of that guy, it's a nick and means 'daddy' (see 'vati' Germ, 'tati' Bulg.) from 'Atta' old Gothic, 'Ata ' Turkic = father. His real name is Avitohol. The original Bulgars (not to be identified with modern Bulgarians) are not Hazars or other Turkic tribe. They are an ancient Korean tribe mixed with Buryats and Tocharians. Bulgars were the leaders and organizers of Xiong-nu and that's why when the Chinese came first in the conflict with the Confederate, kicked them out of Asia.
Now on my finger there's a gold ring that I've found in our garden. On the ring there are two parallel lines crossed with other two parallels. In old Gothic symbolism the sign means' To help you Earth and water, Sky and fire'. Check it up.
@@aporist There are at least two subclads of haplogroup Q in Europe. One is believed to come from the Huns. The other, first found in Western Norway, is more closely related to the subclads found in America, and split from them either in Siberia or even in Beringia during the Beringian standstill.
You're right, there are more than two subclads of Q. Seems those Q-guys knew that there's a continent beyond the ocean and together with the Goths 'discovered' America before Columbus.@@acenname
Most likely is, as it seems to be around Toulouse, their capital. And it certainly was not the Franks, who barely settled below the Loire river. And of course the Alsace would be Allemanic as well
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@@sebe2255 Exactly, and in the Iberian peninsula there are also this couple spots with 5%, in Galicia could be the Suebi, and in the coastal region of Catalonia the Visigoths again.. The 1% of the rest can be the mixture between Suebi, Goths, Vandals and whatnot...
I can fill in for Sicily! A Norman kingdom was founded there by the house of Hauteville, which lasted from 1061 to 1262. It was a beloved dynasty, which held Palermo as the capital, thus explaining the highest presence of that haplogroup exactly where the Norman court was. People are most amazed at knowing that there are waaaay more blonde blue-eyed Sicilians (roughly 1 out of 3-4 people) than dark-skinned ones (in my experience they are roughly 1 out of 20). We're a beautiful genetic mosaic, comprised of Greeks, North Africans, Normans, Italians, Spanish and much more!
I know Europeans despise when Americans say "I'm German" or "I'm Norweign" or "I'm British" etc. But it really means a lot to many Americans because it is specifically attached to family. Traditions passed down from our ancestors. When I visited Germany, I looked and dressed so German, Germans thought I was German and only believed I was American when I showed them my ID. But if I say I am German, without seeing me, the concept is laughable to them. The greatest trick played on the Germanic world, was isolating the Germanic diaspora in the Americas from their blood brothers in Europe.
It’s odd you completely left out haplogroups R and N . R would dominate from the Black Sea all the way west to Ireland, increasing in westward pattern while haplogroup N has become quiet huge in modern times, increasing in a north easterly direction from the Baltic Sea
@Wilhelmofdeseret he never said he belonged to haplogroup I and has mentioned in multiple videos that he doesn't like DNA tests. And to claim that haplogroup I is a "minor" Germanic haplogroup is a GROSS understatement. It is THE Germanic haplogroup. R1b & R1a are found amongst Celts and Slavs. I1 is THE Germanic marker. I'm unsure why haplogroup N would even be mentioned. It's finno-ugric.
Well .. kind of / I1 is a very useful marker of 'germanic' patrilineal dna particularly when looking at low resolutions - people with 'R1b' and 'R1a' were also 'germanic/viking' - however it is not useful to talk about R1b like you can I1 as it is much much broad. As you can be R1b and be basque, Indian, or African or even the Egyptian boy-king Tutankhamun. To be accurate it would need to be R1b1a1a2a1a1 (R-U106). For R1a - R1a1a. With I1 making up a 45% at its peak in scandinavia the remaining patrilineal is R1b1a1a2a1a1 (R-U106) and R1a1a. The culture grew out of the 3 main groups that is how the culture developed - not by I1 in isolation - Scandinavian Hunter Gatherer (SHG) populations were a mix of R1b, I2, R1a and some others. There has never been a population of solely I1 in Scandinavia - the R1b and R1a were always there beside it. So where you see I1 in Europe you can probably double the amount of germanic/viking numbers to account for R1b1a1a2a1a1 and R1a1a.
I was thinking this. I was confused for a minute. I knew someone would address it in the comments. I do know that the tallest people in Northern Europe test at the highest level on Yamnya ancestry. Which makes a lot of sense about how they would have been perceived by smaller populations back then . Even though all people were much shorter, they would have been robust intimidating men… and most likely some of the women 😆
There are a small group of Normans that were in Sicily and Cypress, but also sporadically throughout Mid to Late Roman Empire (just before and during migration period of 2-9th CE) had several Germanic peoples joing auxiliaries and the military and would have been enough to keep the genes going. Plus just about anywhere recessive genes will pop up. Some Asians are born Naturally redhead due to distant Scithian DNA
R-1a and T-2b here. We share DNA with the famous Bj581 gravesite on Bjorko island, Sweden. Interesting to note, the Birka viking woman does not appear to be Swedish, although my ancestors are Scandinavian - Norwegian, Swedish, Danish and Finnish, but T-2b is more German and may suggest that the Bjorko island viking gravesite Bj581 was actually a foreigner from mainland Europe.
My sister had a DNA test, and by the way, unlike a lot of families now, that have different parentage per sibling, we are blood related. Her genetic profile was 65% Anglo/Saxon, 15% Viking, 18% Celtic and 2% Ancient Hominid. So, as the Anglo Saxons and Vikings are both Germanic, we are of course, 80% Teutons!😊
I like your videos generally but I feel your disdain for DNA testing needs to be reconsidered with some humility. Looking in the mirror is hardly a scientific test....imagine a child of a 100% Norwegian DNA person who married an Asian or African individual looking in the mirror, I doubt they would figure they were of Viking ancestry. I previously thought I was likely 100% Celtic/Anglo Saxon as I was born in north central England and we could trace back 5 generations in the same general area. Looking the mirror showed blue eyes and red brown hair so made sense. However!!! testing showed almost 25% Norwegian on my maternal side. Big surprise. It turns out that my mother's paternal side (name of Nelson, which could or could not indicate scandi background since also common in Ireland) was actually traceable back after 5 generations to the west coast of Lancashire where there are many towns with Scandinavian names (Ormskirk, Formby, Skelmersdale). I have matched genetically on MyHeritage and other site with many distant cousins from that area and also matched to a number of Norwegians distantly. The most likely explanation historically for my genetic profile is an expulsion of Ingimundr, a Norse viking, from Ireland in 902 who settled north of Chester after agreeing with Queen Athelflaed to not attach that town and being given land for settlement. The local genetics shows the persistence of Norse genes to the present day. Without DNA testing I would never have known this fascinating part to my family ancestry. Dr. Stephen Harding has done a lot of research into the viking presence in the Wirral area if you are interested and he has UA-cam videos on the subject. Sincerely......David
@@Einarr_Norge Agreed.....sorry for the poor phraseology. I show some degree of DNA matching with various peoples who could be labelled as Vikings....including Celtic norse individual in Iceland burial, various Danish skeletons in both UK and Scandinavia, Jutland burials, etc. In other words, a hodge podge of individuals who lived in the so-called Viking age mirroring the fact that 'Vikings' could come from many places. My main point was that it was not possible to determine ancestry based on looks alone and that DNA analysis 'may" be helpful. in my personal case my DNA quite surprising to my family showed evidence of Norwegian ancestry which was completely a surprise but eventually made more believable by finding the more distant family tree coupled with the history compared to the one my parents knew prior to the current surge in genealogy research. Interestingly, my mothers mRNA testing shows a number of hits to Norwegian women too as well as the expected UK ones, as well as Americans that were linked to emigration in the 1700s.
first thanks for the reply because it jogged something in my mem to further look at. I also have Nelson ancestors. Nelson is an interesting surname because it is considered to be a matronymic. if any knows otherwise please post (last looked this up decades ago, so -). it can also be a Scots name, my Nelsons come from the Ulster Scots settlements in Augusta county VA and thence to NC. some germans here and there Welsh Lewises and Boones but very few English in Augusta county at least in the early period. Guin is another ambiguous gaelic surname it means white)
Haplogroup I1 is spredaed not only because of the Goths on the Balkans, as there are many sub groups of I1 there, but also due to Saxons migration there druing the late middle ages around 12 century, even later during the Othoman Empire 14-15 century, which continued to setteled them from Transilvania in it's territopry, for minnig iron and precious or non-ferrous metals, such as silver and copper (actually these were saxon miners, or transilvanian saxons) and to contribute that way to it's economy. This cleary could be seen as a 5% I1 path to the Greek Coast on the White Sea, the places where these metals were mined and saxon meniere's settled. But in general, I1 was spread in these territories due to the Slavs migrations, who are actually descendants of the Ostrogoths who lived in Panonia, mixed with some Baltic tribes from the North and Sarmatian tribes from the Caspian and Carpathian regions.
My great grand daddy was also haplogroup I1a , his surname is Kalac , the meaning of his surname is connected with smelting iron Place where he come from Montenegro is called Gusnica also connected with the German word Guss or the word gissen which means to smelt in English
Among Bosniaks there are around 109 families that hold haplogroup I1a. The highest concentration of haplogroup I 1a is found in the city of Zvornik that is situated beside river of Drina that was a boundary between East and West Roman empire
I was under the impression that I1 broke off from I2 in the Balkans and I1 then goes west into Italy and Spain and then moves back East up through France and Denmark into Norway and Sweden - leaving early I1 remnants in Italy Spain Albania Serbia - I don't think their I1 was later - it was way earlier
It is still a big puzzle But the fact is I2a is more numerous than I1a in the Balkans Those who have I1a P109 still speculate that their ancestors arrived 900 years ago because their TMRCA is not older
@@SeidKocan I suppose as the data comes in over time we'll figure it out - it is interesting in a way as to why some people leave and some people stay - manifesting in different haplogroups and their more specific sub groups - were they more adventurous or more disruptive ? and the physical differences are less relevant to me than the psychological differences
Also btw England (more so in the south, east and south east) is predominantly anglo Saxon and overall more Germanic. Average Englishman is 40% anglo Saxon and around 20% Celtic with the rest being a bit of Scandinavian and French/german.
the Anglo-Saxon dna is very similar to modern day Danes and Dutch, so it's quite difficult to say how much is Danish Viking dna and how much is Anglo-Saxon because the Angles and Jutes came from Denmark and Saxons from the Netherlands plus northern Germany, but Northern Germany reads as Danes because it was part of Denmark
@@veronicajensen7690 yeah exactly, it’s hard enough to differentiate Celtic and Germanics but it’s obviously a lot more easier to than angles, Saxons, jutes, frisians, Danes and the other Germanics.
@jonnyneace8928 every region in England on average is about 37% anglo Saxon and 20% Celtic. This is very true, you can search it up and you will be met with various sources saying that exact thing.
No on averge most English people have more celtic DNA the Anglo saxon take me im English born and bred my DNA test came back as my highest Country for my DNA was ireland ?
I'm a finn from the western Finland, from the Southern Ostrobothnia, yet having over 95% germanic and scandinavian genes on me from the both parental sides, respectively. 😊
We had surpising results in our DNA. My mom had her DNA and my brothers from Ancestry. Then for my birthday last year, she got the MyHeritage DNA test for me. The surprising thing was we found Italian DNA in my list instead of french and dunno how that happened. My dad's side is German and French and English (although he wouldn't admit that). My mom's side is pretty much all English and Welsh and a smattering of Scots... She was surprised to find Denmark and Scandinavian DNA. We figured it has something to do with Vikings, but still haven't really proved it. Maybe that's where the Italian came from too. I dunno. DNA is so confusing.
Funny thing: I know that a few years ago a man from Ukraine took a DNA test, and it turned out that he did not have the standard Slavic haplogroup, but "I". 😅😅 By the way, he lived in a city near the water until 2022...
First, I had an autosomal dna test and I found loads of realtives in the USA, both on my father's and mother's side. I also have done the mt-dna test. My haplogroup is H11a1. It points towards Sweden and Finland, also common in the Neatherlands and Denmark. Ties in with some of the autosomal results too. All in all if you do your geneology, dna testing is a great help.
Personally, I was shocked at how similar the three different DNA tests I did, were. And how accurate it was to the history of my surnames. I knew I was almost entirely Irish and Scottish, but didn't understand why I was 29%/31%/27% Norwegian. But when I studied all my family surnames it made sense. All my mothers surnames were Scottish clans with Norwegian viking progenitors(MacIver/Morrison/MacLeod/MacLean)and the majority of my fathers surnames are Irish forms of Norse names(MacGofraid/MacCosker/Maguire/Lawson)
so western isles with Donald of the Isles. i have McCuistons, Wylies who apparently lived between the McGregors and McFarlands, Smiths from the Shetlands, Waddells from Ireland either with Bishop Leslie and the protestant ascendancy or there was a Waddell prisoner I think from the Battle of Dunbar who was shipwrecked on northern Ireland and of course stayed.also Crozier which apparently is Gaelic but elusive.
@@rayp-w5930 The McQuistons were started by a Viking and the MacDonalds are probably the largest clan to come from the Norse. They are also members of the Uí Ímair Dynasty along with my MacGofraids, MacLeods, Morrisons, and possibly MacIver.
I am Dutch and recently did one of those commercial DNA tests and the results amazed me, 55% scandinavian and 45% north European. Seems like I havent crossed half of Europe after all these ages. A true germanic I guess.
The source for this I1 map also has other maps that might be more useful. For example, there is a Germanic Y-DNA map that seems to correspond more closely with what percentage of the DNA in a given region comes from Germanic people versus Celtic or Slavic people. It lists lower Saxony, Germany and other parts of northern Germany, Frisia, and Scandinavia in the 75+% range, which is more useful than the paltry percentages shown in those regions here.
The majority of Americans with the Vick surname are Hap Q of the variety often found in Iceland and to a lesser extent in Norway with some in other countries like England and in some central Asian tribes like the Kets. We trace our paternal origins to southwest England. We suspect our paternal origins may have a connection to vik as in Viking (said with a short i in Scandinavia not the long i in English). Our Hap Q may also be a result of some ancient mixing of the Vikings with the Kets as part of going viking in the fringes of Asia.
I have had a disease in my left hands tendon, I was handicapped slightly, before I have been operated. It is sometimes called "vikings disease" because men from the north of Europe get it more likely than men from the south. I am from the north of Germany.
I think the Visigoth kingdom in southern France and Spain may help explain the density of I haplogroup in the Provence of France. The Vandals also settled in northwestern Spain, so perhaps…
King Roger in Sicily was Norman and brought his relatives and retainers, and later, (1194-1266), the Hohenstaufen dynasty ruled Sicily, with Frederick II (half Swabian half Sicilian) being the most famous (called Stupor Mundi), he brought retainers and soldiers from Swabia and other parts of Germany. After Charles of Anjou took over with French forces, the Rebellion of the Vespers kicked them out soon after and the Sicilians invited the Catalans (Kingdom Aragon) to take possession of the island. Unfortunately the Castilians eventually inherited the island and basically robbed the wealth of the land and fisheries for centuries.
Pale eyes were at 100% fixation in Mesolithic Western and Central European hunter gatherers, so finding such anywhere in Europe has little to do with Germanic folk wandering. Blondism is not a specifically Germanic feature, many northern Slavs are blond, as indeed are some Amazigh (Berbers) of North Africa (and some native Australians of the central deserts). The native Canarians, the Guanches, were described by Spanish settlers as blond, as proved by some of their mummies. We have descriptions of Blond (xanthous) and blue/grey eyed (glaucous) ethnic Greeks and Romans from before the Germanic invasions. What you see are clines in population features, there are dark haired, dark eyed Swedes and blond blue eyed Spaniards, but it does not follow that their ancestry was from anywhere other than their native area. We also have descriptions of Viking Age Scandinavians, Egil Skallagrimson was bald, his remaining hair was 'iron grey', his eyes and beard were black and his eyebrows met in the middle. He was definitely a Viking, but not stereotypical in appearance.
My paternal haplogroup is I-M170 (23andme stated that 1 out of 300,000 testers have it). My father is African American. The strange thing, though, is that I also got my maternal grandfather to do a test (he's from Dublin,Ireland), and he has the exact same haplogroup. Considering it's so rare, i found it odd that my dad and my maternal grandfather would possess the same haplogroup
I'm brazilian, but I have green eyes, red beard and very pale skin. Unfortunately I cant afford a DNA test right now, but I dont know any brazilian native or african ancestry in my family's history. My father family comes from Netherlands and mainly Portugal. My mother's family (which my phenotype resembles the most) come from Switzerland, Northern Italy (Trento) and Spain. I'm trying to find my path into pagan spirituality and I don't feel right following brazilian african cults as I may not have any family ancestry on it (it just feels disrespectful) but I was born in Brazil, not in europe. From all the countries my family came from, the celtic people were present in the past. Would it be legit to follow a celtic pagan path? Even tho I live in a very different culture?
It would, in my opinion. It's how you choose to construct it. I'm American, but grew up in Argentina from first generation Argentinians whose parents came from Northern Spain and probably Brazil/Portugal. I became interested in history and genealogy because my parents knew so little about their own roots, and that's how I got into the Celtic culture. From there I leapt to the Vikings and I've believed in the Norse gods since I was 10. I'm 47 now, so quite a trip. I learned than my "roots" are a lot of different things and people, spanning many places, cultures, and time. I will never know everything for sure, a lit of it is always gonna lost to time...but I'm free to re-interpret my past as I choose, honoring my ancestors and their journey. I recently tried 23 and Me. A part of me wanted that "Viking" ancestry, which didn't show up. Other things did, that I did not imagine...but I don't have to have "Viking" DNA to believe in Odin. I'm just sharing my experience to encourage you to follow your journey and see where it leads. I hope you find what you are looking for!
@06drodriguez thanks buddy. Actually I followed the Germanic pagan path for years and I still do, but I felt bad for not being actually a German or something. You're right, we, in Americas are a great mix of populations and our connection is much more important
According to a danish research I2 was dominant in Scandinavia but went extinct. I1 is a bottle neck surviver. I wouldn't call I1 Germanic. I1 and R1b are
Right there are also subclades associated with R1b and R1a. My purely paternal branch with Sweden ancestry is R1b. The "maternal" lines associated are I1.
@@karriewelborn7167 I1 is paternal as well. So is I2 and is part of WHG ancestry. Allentoft have great work on its presence in pre historical south Scandinavia
I did 2 a few years ago i wanted to compare they came back the same lol but i was skeptical at first. I like that it broke it down to towns and cities. And was a helpful tool in reconnecting with lost family. My great grandfather immigrated to the U.S. in 1906 from leitrum ireland. With the help of dna sites i was able to track down family and even got a copy of his boarding pass to america.
I'm 64. All I have to do is look at my Swedish grandfather's last drivers license picture when he was 77 and I can see I'm from him. As with my father and my son and daughter.
I1, R1b, R1a, who met, fought, and melded in the greater Germania area from 5000-3000 ybp figured it out. Somehow, the I1 persevered and held their own during the Northern Indo European expansion and became one with them. Much like Amerindian tribes would meld with European colonists 500 years ago across the Americas. It may have been rough in the beginning but it is lost in the past… and here we are…. Still breeding with our cousins from around the world. There is only one race, the human race. Much respect to our out of Africa hominids who helped make the out of Africa homo Sapien colonists who we are: the Neanderthal and Denisovian.
Goths and Normans migrated to and conquered parts of Italy. Both raided Sicily. The Normans even established the Kingdom of Sicily. Perhaps the Lombards even went there at one point as well. It is likely that Visigoths and later Normans had the same effect on southern France.
The lombards ruled Italy for well over 200 years after the Roman empire fell. The Norman's showed up later, and were tolerated, but they did not rule anything, until we decided we didn't want to anymore and handed the crown, and keys to the kingdom to Charlemagne. Had we wanted to, we could have easily removed them from existence like we did the vandals. We were tired of the politics and backstabbing though. 14:09
One can have a haplogroup I1 and be black African or Chinese. Y-Haplogroup may show tribe movements, but not so much on a individual ,Funny how I1 is called Germanic when Germans dominant haplogroup is R1b.
@@cathjj840 your statement is true, but is a false narrative to the point. I said is funny because the genetic term of I1 is called Germanic when the name Germanic is mostly related to people who speak a Germanic language.
Italy case: yes you are right about your assumption but the map in dark blue was a little bit more accurate than the one with group I1. It’s all little bit more east and more south. Frederick Red Beard, legendary Suebi King settled the capital of his kingdom in Andria (Puglia near Brindisi, folks might know the famous octagonal fortress which belonged to him), the kingdom lasted a few centuries while the capital was later moved to Sicily and later ended up in Naples when the kingdom of Naples was built from the ashes of the kingdom of Frederick II Red Beard. Now this kingdom was basically all south part of the boot + Sicily. …Knowing Italian culture, I believe there was a lot of interbreeding between nobles and regular folks… that’s how these light features are still so present in the South, more occasional there than common I would say but still well spread. Sicily was also conquered by the Normans like someone else here said and during Rinasciment became popular vacation spot where Noble families from England, France, and Astro-Hungary had their summer estates.
It is welll known and well documentated that that bright features are much more common in North of Italy in confront of the South, due to a much more intensive presence of Longobards and Celtic populations...
Hi, I come from Montenegro We have tribes called Novljani and Drobnjaks, they have haplogroup I1a P109. My father in law has this haplogroup, In Ottoman times in the Balkans they held titles such as pashas and begs
The algo is really screwing me on my Norse magic and beliefs… I just don’t see you at all anymore. I’m going back to just specifically checking in weekly. Good to see you again fren.
Please do a video about the Sami and the Vikings in the viking age. It is hard to find much information and so many people mistake a lot of facts :) Would love that!
Orleans is close to where the battle of the Catelaunian fields happened - the battle the turned Atilla back from Western Europe. The armies that fought there included Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Burgundians and others. Some of them maybe stuck around after
West coast Swedes and Norwegians came from Croatia originally. They are the megalith builder that have put their marks all along the European coast. East coast Swedes are the Yamnaya descendants. As you stated it's easy to see the difference. The Croatian type is more blond and they have a more square jaw and flat forehead. Example is the Swedish wrestler Frank Andersson. The East coast Swedes are darker and haven't square jaws and often a more sloping forehead. Example my picture. Then we have some ancient minorities as the Same, Finnish and Khazars. The slave trade also brought slavic traits to Scandinavia. Our Swedish Royal family is of mostly Khazar origin as is many "nobel" families all over Europe due to the Habsburgs.
One thing that you don't discuss is Catherine the Great and the Russian Empire. She was Germanic (Prussian) and encouraged Germanic farmers to migrate during her expansion of the Russian Empire in the 1700's. She offered them great incentives to populate and farm newly acquired territories. This may be the explanation that you're looking for as to why places like Ukraine have newer Germanic and/or Scandinavian haplogroups. Her son and grandson didn't have the same affection and took away the rights she granted, causing many Germanic people to pull up stakes and move elsewhere.
Finnish I1 comes from two sources: early coastal Proto Germanic mix with Baltic Finns and later Swedish immigration during the second millennium. Finnish language has preserved plenty of Proto Germanic loan words. Modern Finnish speakers' main male haplogroups are N1 and I1 while the descendants of the Swedish settlers have typically I1, R1b or R1a.
Sorry I keep commenting this but can you look into Native American and Viking connections? Heard a lot of the myths match up almost perfectly between each other. Seeing they were there in 1000ad shows there could be real probability of Native American and Vikings interacting and interbreeding
Attention! In southern Italy the Normans had also a conquered an own Kingdom. And kingdom of Naples was from about 1200 to 1268 ruled by swabian Hohenstaufen dynasty. This is may be the reason swabian people ( i am swabian) ate some food similar to italian food, when italian food was unknown in Germany. Examples: Nudeln/ Pasta, Spätzle/ Spazzulla, Maultaschen/ Ravioli, Tortellini, Dätscher, Deie, Dinnet/ Pizza.
@@antonyreyn : Sherwood Forrest? Nottingham? Somewhere i read that the english settlement name ending ,-ingham' means , Settlement of ....' , so Nottingham would be , Settlement/ Farm of Nott'. In my swabian Homeregion the most common settlements name ending is. ,-ingen', meaning , Settlement of ....s men/ retinue'. So maybe the Not far away village Notzingen may BE means the Same than Nottingham, when this is true. Also in Bavaria there is a town Ochsenfurt, means Ox(en)ford in english. Ox an Ochs ( dialects of southern Germany ) is spoken the same. But that Baltimore was founded by a man from nearby village Baltmannsweiler is a lokal joke
@@brittakriep2938 very intereting info thanks,yes nottingham but our founder was actual Snotti which has a negative sound in English so they changed it. But I also wonder about the ING because of the God Ingvi and Anglo Saxon is called Ingaevone. Cheers
I was adopted so I can’t look at my family history. These tests are all I have. DNA shows I’m 92 percent Northwest European…England, Ireland, Scotland,Danish, Swedish. Barely any Norway or Wales. What’s weird is 7 percent parts of Africa which is weird for a 6’ 3” 250 pound blue eyed white guy 🤔.
I2 is a bit more complicated than I1. A lot of people will tell you I2 is Baltic or dinaric, but this isn’t exactly true. For example my I21b1 formerly I2a2a snow 6433 is Germanic. If you research the distribution of it, it will be all England, Germany and Sweden.
I'm a south slav and I have some Scandinavian DNA, I guess probably the reason is because of the Goths that pretty much influenced also genetically eastern Europe which were originary from Scandinavia
The Viking raids went up the rivers in France. These included the Seine, the Loire, and the Garonne Rivers among other tributaries. The Normans picked up from there. The Norman lion is featured on many of the provincial crests of these valleys onto the Massif Central. That explains the DNA. R1B was the major Y haplogroup of the Germano-Celts.
I1 existed in Europe long before the Germanic immigration. The Germanic tribes were Indo-Europeans, just like the Celts. Both have the same genetic origin and migrated to Europe at relatively the same time!
Not sure if anyone pointed this out or not about you describing recessive traits in Italian peoples, but the way Mendelian genetics describes inheritance, its actually very easy to see how recessive traits continue to be passed on in a population. For instance, if you take two parents both of which are carriers of a recessive trait, but don't show it (Aa & Aa), then their children will end up being AA, Aa, Aa, aa. As you can see, 75% will show the dominant traits, but 75% will still carry the recessive genes. Even when only a single parent is a carrier (Aa) and the other parent is not (AA), you wind up with AA, Aa, AA, Aa, where 50% of the children end up with a recessive trait even though 0% show the expression of that trait.
9:50 In France, the area in the south west with the 5% is maybe a consequence of the visigothic period, because their original settlement was the Garonne river, and it corresponds to this area.
It makes sense what you said about the people looking different in that area of high density i1 in Scandinavia ... If you watch the movie Hawaii Oslo ..it seems to give a good impression of the people in the main I1 haplogroup area in Scandinavia. ive noticed my phenotype seems most common in that area( southwest sweden/ oslo area ) Fridtjof Nansen,Anders Breivik😬,Trond Espen Seim,Jan Gunnar Røise ,Morten Faldaas..good examples i think of that area..
I dont understand, on several dna tests i am roughly 50% scandinavian, 30% english snd the rest other european ancestry but my haplogroup is e1b1b which is african in descent! Im so confused lol
Hi your Haplogroup is only a minute % of your Dna - example over 500 years you have approx 200,000 ancestors but only 20 direct haplogroup paternal ancestors. So the test is right just an interesting anomaly to your overall results. Cheers from Sherwood England
R1b-U106 is the most common West Germanic YDNA signature. Less common in the Scandinavian peninsula - apart from SW Norway where is at the same levels as Britain and the western coast of Europe. One documentary claimed that it came to Norway along with R1-L21 from Britain due to the Viking's importation of slaves from Britain. . The R1a haplogroup is common in Scandinavia and in eastern Europe. It was also brought into the British Isles by the Vikings. According to its distribution map it is more common in western and northern Scotland than I1.
Correct .. and R1A as well , those are practically the same Indo-European brunches who came to Europe pretty much the same time - R1b though North Africa , R1A though Eastern Europe . In the middle of the Europe they collide fighting for domination and pushing each other back and forth finally settling in the Middle . Funny part that while R1B and R1A were fighting for domination they almost completely wiped "native" European population haplogroup I pushing few survivors far North to Scandinavia and far South to Balkan Mountains ,effectively dividing that haplogroup to I1 and I2
R1b-M269 came from Africa? Lol R1b-M269 came from Yamnya. R1a is Eurasian. Germanic is Proto Indo European language from the Pontic Steppe all elite PIE burials were R1b.
keep in mind that Karl der Grosse (latin: Karolus Magnus - thats the real name, not 'Charlemagne' - such a guy didnt exist) when fighting the Saxons did not only also some massacres but resettled also many to other parts of Europe (especially other parts of Germany, France and I think even Spain (maybe also Italy but forgot about that)
Didn't haplogroup I split in I1 and I2 somewhere in SE Europe - NW Balkans ? Do you know the route of I1 to Scandinavia ? Also recently I've learned from a Maastricht professor that early Sapiens in Europe - haplogroup I and C - were pretty black skinned . How do you think they became withe and blondes in northern Europe ? Indo-Europeans where white skinned .
Southern Italy should be a little higher as it was conquered and ruled by Normans for 200 years and it isn't rare to see very Nordic looking people. I'd say most southern Italians are a mixture of Latin, Greek and Norman DNA so it's normal that the dominant genes from the first two are going to hide the classic Norman features.
Southern Italians have middle eastern/ north African blood as the Roman empire imported them there.same thing happened to ancient Greece.you see history repeats itself diversity concept is not new.as for Sicily there was Nordic presence there but got almost wiped out by middle eastern invasion
cant believe u didnt notice the suebi in north portugal, since that one really baffles me. also i heard about some kind of "stauffen" german royals that migrated to sicily
Sorry to say but argument about Irish women at Iceland is totally wrong. Y-DNA is completely about direct male line, so it has nothing to do with wives' DNA
The DNA test I had was fascinating from the historical angle. Both maternal and paternal sides of the family are from areas in England which were part of the Danelaw, set up by Alfred the Great in his treaty with the Danish king Guthrum - the E Midlands (Derbyshire/Notts), and East Anglia/Lincolnshire. The result gives me nearly 60% "English" (Anglo-Saxon ?) ancestry, with 24% Scandinavian, and only 16% Scots/Welsh/Irish ("Celtic" ?) ancestry. There's obviously a margin of error, of course, but I was impressed by the historical match.
I would like to request a video topic. Whilst the Angles and Saxons and to a lesser degree, the Jutes seem to be quite well documented, I can find little on the Centi Tribe, from which the County name of Kent is derived. Particularly around the Canterbury area, there is a very distinct almost black-haired group even today. In appearance, similar to the southwest Cornwall and Devon people. The word Invicta, meaning unconquered, is still used today in Kent, albeit far removed from original meaning.
I could imagine the higher percentages on the Balkans is related to trading along the Danube. In Bavaria graves were found where Germanic men were buried with women from the Black Sea region. As trade along the river was important, there might have been a practice of intermarrying to strengthen alliances of tribes that did trade with each other. Because if you look at where on the Balkans the percentage is higher, that seems an area around the Danube.
I too find this interesting. Especially with how much the Norse spread out over time. And then there was the time they were part of the Varangian Guard. I think the fascination comes from the "Vikings" and it's associated type shows. Plus it's just plain neat, especially to this group.
Sicily was conquered by the Normans in 999 AD which would explain the data from there
They actually conquered all of Southern Italy and created the Kingdom of Naple, they were sailing for Rome but got lost
Wrong, it was the Lombards who took over Italy after the fall of the Roman empire, the Norman's showed up later. Fun fact, first time the mohamedians tried to take Medina, the Lombard stomped their ass, and were going to chase them to their homeland and wipe them off the earth, but it was the Norman's who talked them out of it. Soon as the Lombard got tired of running things and allowed Charlemagne to take over, that's when Medina fell.
If I'm not mistaken, didn't the vandals have sicily for little while?
Was it the Vandals who created the modern Sardinian?
The vandals for sure!!!
You may not like it but for me it’s fascinating. So - thanks!
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Apparently DNA testing for recreational purposes is not legal in France, only for medical, scientific or judicial purposes, so this could effect the score of Germanic/Viking haplogroups.
Not legal, but come on, everyone can do one. I have. I have both Germanic (predominant, closest matches being Cherusci) and Celtic genes. The thing about Genetix tests is you realize that ethnicity is bogus. We are Europeans first and foremost. Tracing ancestry has brought me all other Europe, from the Balkans to Iceland. Nationalities are just artificial frontiers and language, but your genes come from everywhere.
@@jp16k92 well said
@@jp16k92yes I agree it’s possible to get test done (I live in France but I could get test kit sent to family in uK) but the test suppliers are banned from selling kits to French residents. All I’m saying is that because of the fact that the French test much less than every other EU country, the ethnicity percentages could be skewed.
@@Angryhippo9117 that, indeed, is a possibility. To the best of my knowledge, the only company that doesn’t sell kits in France is Ancestry. The others do via their websites. However, you’re pointing a very important point that, I believe, isn’t necessarily reserved to France, that is the sample size. It is also the main issue with ancient ancestry tests. A sampling of population isn’t necessarily representative of the population as a whole. I guess we have to be content with what's available at the moment. It’s already a huge leap forward in determining our ancestry, provided you take it with a grain of salt! 🤫
@@jp16k92 of course our genes come from everywhere if we go back far enough. But there is a difference between having African ancestors 10,000 years ago and African ancestors 100 years ago.
Finns don't have "more Finno-Ugric dna than anything else". The Siberian genetic component found in Finns averages roughly 8% and larger contributions exist from the Proto-Balts, Proto-Germanics and the old non-Indo-European natives of the northeastern Baltic region.
Also the haplogroup I1 found in Finland has been identified as a unique branch that separated from the rest around 3000 years ago and it along with its subclades are almost exclusively found among Finns (and Sami). It's likely the I1 in Finland is largely not connected to mixing with Germanic speakers and instead they're remnants of the non-Indo-European people who were in the region. These people then mixed and were assimilated with the incoming Uralic speakers carrying the N1 haplogroup. Only 10% or 15% of the I1 in Finland is more closely linked with modern Scandinavians and that portion of I1 in Finland is connected to the Swedish settlement in Finland started during the Middle Ages. And while the Swedish connected I1 is found in the areas Swedes were settled (the western coastal areas), the Finnish I1 is found all around the country.
The main thing that makes Finns unique genetically is not the Siberian genes or lack of "European" ones, it's because ancestral Finns experienced a significant population bottleneck around 4000 years ago leading to the lack of genetic diversity.
Finns are in some ways even the most european, when it comes to ancient european, hunter gatherer european. With balts and scandinavians close behind and being generally similar
Thank you!!!! Finally someone with some common sense.
Finns are 1/4 saami, that's where most of their east asian autosomal comes from.
@@TheM41a Doubt it is most. Estonians average 5% and Volga Finnic groups 11%. Assimilation of Sami increased the Finnish average, but the majority of the Siberian admixture was still from the proto-Finns themselves.
Finngols still have the most Mongoloid as much as Russians considering Other Europeans won't have more than 2-3%
I'm sorry but I have done two dna tests now and have found them utterly fascinating.
I had done my genealogy for 30 years and all my known ancestry was in the UK . Until I did a dna test and discovered I had a strand of Finnish and loads of Finnish dna matches. It's been a joy to research. 🙂
i just recently took a dna test and found in my recent ancestry they say 2.5%Finnish which is a puzzler roughly at the 3xgreat grandparent level (roughly 1785 to about 1825 in my family history). the only Finn i am aware of is or was b ca 1625-35 and part of the New Sweden colony.
I tested my parents (well, why not? I was interested in my father's maternal lineage) and despite being 100% German for recent generations, the company tagged my father as close to half from the British Isles. After further thought and research, I think it ties in with the Germanic migration to the British Isles, since that 'further research' indicated that 1200 years ago there's a strong genetic link to Denmark and Southern Sweden, so yes, those Norsemen really got around and their descendants didn't stay in one place either.
There were a couple other interesting things that are really lost in the mists of time, but interesting that a genetic signature still shows up thousands of years later.
@@deadcatbounce3124 In Yorkshire specifically the York area is where all the viking ancestors are, they trace their ancestors to Denmark and Southern Sweden. The rest of the vikings where no doubt wiped out in the Harrying of the North. The Angles and Saxon spread didnt have much Scandinavian at all, but I think the Fimbulwinter/Ragnarok 536AD brought a lot more people down from up north into Denmark and so on.
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This is so interesting. I always thought I was German based on where my grandparents were born. After DNA, I found that I'm a large part Danish and Swedish!
The root of the Germanic people and language came from the Kurgan people who were from haplogroup R1A and R1B, which are Indo European.
R1 people are gay.
Not in full. Some of them were from R origin, some from I, some from N. All the nations are a mixture or a bouquet of different admixtures where there are two major components and many other slight admixtures with different influence degree.
Only about a third of Germanic DNA came from Indoeuropeans. Original western hunter gatherers and Neolithic farmers each contributed about a third to the base genetics.
The problem I have with haplogroups is that your Y or mt is such a tiny fragment of your overall lineage.
Obviously it may tell you something, but that something can be very misleading if you interpret it as representing all your blood (because it doesn’t).
Yeah. Haplogroups can survive just through random fluctuations in survival and mating where the overall percentage of related DNA to the “original” source population of the haplogroup is tiny. Y-Haplogroups of modern populations are useful, but really need to be considered alongside mt and somatic DNA samples , as well as ancient and medieval samples to build a better picture. Looking simply at Y-haplogroups of modern populations led to a lot of conclusions that turned out to be wrong once more kinds of sampling became possible.
So your problem isn't with haplogroups. Your problem is with how some extremists (very few) interpret it falsely and take it too far.
Haplogroups can tell us a lot, and help us a lot in genealogy and understanding population movements.
There are tons of haplogroup projects on FamilyTreeDNA for example that do wonders. And my own haplogroup helped shed a light on where my Forest Finn ancestors came from.
The more people that get tested, the more we know. Of course you can't take anything at face value. But that's just basic scientific understanding.
That whole identity bs with haplogroups is just a tiny fraction of uninformed people that don't know anything about genetics.
@@PohjanKarhu It’s not just the racial identity extremists though (though that does exist as a percentage of the people who are into Y-Haplogroup studies in particular). But totally down the centre or probably overall liberal scientists made a lot of errors when making deductions about the past based on just Y-Haplogroup data from modern populations that were revealed to be wrong once more kinds of data became available. So overall, taking just Y-Haplogroup data from modern populations to draw conclusions about medieval or ancient population structure, as is done in this video, is not a very sound methodology. Love Thor’s videos, but this needs more different kinds of data incorporated to sure up the conclusions.
Additionally, it really doesn't tell you a lot about any particular cultural observations, likes social status, structure, religious beliefs, etc. Bc it cannot tell you that, but people, both ethnic identitarians and various academics make an astonishing amount of assumptions about the lives and beliefs of this group or that group without much supporting evidence.
Haplogroups only show your direct male lineage, ignoring all other ancestors.
The Basque people, one the earliest peoples, some were seafaring and trading way before Columbus, and according to one vid, some settled on the west coast of
Britain, in Scotland, Ireland, and Wales... and later joined with Vikings.
Thanks, always appreciate your videos.
Oh, also they have common words with the Finnish language.
My brother and I took DNA tests and those came back as predominately "Norwegian" Our family came from England, Ireland,
Scotland and the area near Frankfurt Germany. When we began to study the history of the areas within the British Isles
where our family originated; we realized that these were areas that had been settled by the Vikings. We weren't sure about
the predominance of Vikings around Frankfurt Germany. This video was enlightening. Thank you. (subscribed)
My advice, if you can afford it, would be to have DNA tests from more than one company.
that's a fascinating video.. I'm learning so much about haplogroups.
Haplogroups are interesting in telling something about general population movements, but not really about individuals. Also R1b and R1a are common among Germanic people. The Norman Conquest actually was predominantly French people not Vikings.
I agree, as a woman I can only trace my mtDNA haplop group, and I was on the idea to ask one of my paternal male cousins to take a DNA test. But then I would only have 2 different haplop groups, and going 3 generations back I have 8 possible differnt 4 Y and 4 mt next generation 16 and so on. My mtDNA haplopgroup is however a rather rare one, very few in Norway, and my maternal line was lokated in the same city for 6 generations. So I don't really see the point.
Calling I1 a germanic hapologroup is inaccurate because it originated before Indo European migrations, who introduced the proto Germanic language.
As far as Viking DNA is concerned, certainly a large proportion would be I1, especially from Sweden. However there would also be large proportions of r1a and r1b (indo European haplogroups)
Germanic language may be a result of adopting Indo European culture by I1 people,.
Specific downclade of I1 is germanic and it originated during IE migrations, why are you talking about HG when you don't understand difference between I1, I1a and the rest of them?
@@ollisaarinen1910 All modern IE languages are result of just that and all of modern IE descendants are result of that too
My grandparents were recent immigrants to the usa. I can tell you when i was a young adult it was still the culture to only marry within that immigrant group. I caught a lot of flak from my family for not adhering to this. I have over 80% Scandinavian dna with the I haplogroups well represented. No doesn't mean I'm a Viking. Just that my ancestry comes from northern Europe. I have fish allergies but i thought that was odd with my ancestry coming from people with a lot of fish in their diet. I looked up fish allergies and found it Scandinavian people have the highest number of fish allergies in the world. Anyhow. Another interesting video. Thank you.
Real I does not mean viking, but germanic °° We real germans were also the same origins, we have still I2 variant older than I1 same as in Sweden °° These romans plus roman hybrids together with the slavics do this ultra evil cruelest genocide against us with genetic swamping deleterious hybridization forceful interracial reproduction outbreeding eugenics and other mass war crimes against humanity as executions, pillaging, starvation as a method of warfare …We were the same I1 and I2 variants as the scandinavians!! Bro, we are your fathers, son normally must help us last germanics in germanistan where this evil cruel genocide takes place right now ://
You could inherit the fish allergy from another line.
I reckon the amount of Viking blood pumping through Palermo might just be because Harald Hardrada, a varangian at the time, despite attacking the island on behalf of the Byzantine seems to have been a mostly welcome conqueror and that might have borne some good fruit down there.
That would be exciting to see actually
This goes back more to the Normans.
@@RackerPaS They ruled for a couple hundred years.
@@RackerPaS Harald (and other Varangians) was in Sicily at the very time the Normans were starting to get established, and fought with them against Saracens in Sicily and later - unsuccessfully - against them when they revolted against the Byzantines - indeed Harald fought alongside and against Robert de Guiscard's elder half-brother William Iron Arm. However at that time most of the fighting was in the east of SIcily around Syracuse; Palermo was still firmly in Saracen hands. That only changed after Robert's conquests, by which time Harald was long back in Norway and the expeditionary part of the Varangian guard had been stuck in the very heel of Italy near Otranto for years.
@@dionb5276 The Varangian Guard was just a military unit and the personal protection force of the Byzantine rulers. Of course, this was also used in Sicily and Harald, later King of Norway, led it. But we're not talking about military operations here, but rather about a very clearly present Nordic DNA in Sicily. A long-standing kingdom is more likely. As we know, these were the French Normans. Only a constant transmission from as many carriers as possible leaves such a DNA trace and not a few warriors who were there for a few weeks.
@@cathjj840 Correct.
I’m confused. Haplogroup l seems not really widespread and dominant. NW Europe is more R haplogroup in my understanding, check out all population and cross check them with the I haplogroup, all low percentages.
R is more difficult to track. He would have to break them off into branches and then splinters.
R1b & R1a really got around. 😆
Love the genetic/ethnic content 🔥
I have researched my family's genealogy for 46 years. In year 43, I got a DNA test. It validates all my years of research.
I'm fullblood dutch. I have researched my ancestry from my mother and father line back almost 600 years. (i have Frankish, Saxon and Frisian blood so all major dutch tribes from the early middle ages) ) But when i did a DNA test they say i'm 58% scandinavian and 42% English and no Northern europe. So i understand your aversion of DNA tests.
The DNA of the North Sea Germanic people is almost identical to that of North Germanic people. I1 went almost to the Harz. You have no English ancestry, just a high match. This means that you are probably descended primarily from Saxons and Angli with a Frisian/Franconian admixture. Many Saxons also became Frisians because they immigrated to this area after 300 after the population there declined sharply.
Im approximately half English from the south. And the rest mixed British. what is the probability that I don't have any Germanic ancestry?@@RackerPaS
@@Teutonick143 There must be a mix-up there. In particular, we are talking about Old Saxony in northern Germany.
The first DNA tests were simple and showed areas of match without a familial connection. If a southern German had Celtic genes, Ireland or Shottland was shown to him, without taking into account that Celts were also in southern Germany.
@@Teutonick143 But to answer your question directly, the likelihood is slim.
You also have to consider the algorithm that the testing company uses when assigning regions, they typically only go back 400-500 years to see how the dominants haplos were distributed at that time. Since you're primarily Germanic, they decided to assign you areas that just might have had a slightly higher percent match on whatever markers that company uses; a different company might use different markers and have a different reference database.
My father's results were a similar puzzle, it came back as close to 50% British Isles (what? we're Scottish?) when everything for generations was German; I ultimately attributed it to successful ancestors whose progeny moved all around the Baltic and North Seas, and some of those ancestors were 1000, 2000 or more years ago, yet their genetic signature still shows up today.
As always brother great insightful content on your channel. Love your stuff keep it up. Much love to our European Kinfolk 🇺🇲❤️🇳🇴🇪🇺
I1 isnt the only germanic lineage, the early anglo-saxons were only about 1/3 I1 with the rest being R1b-U106 or R1b-P312 and subclades of I2a
also haplogroups are only a single chromosome out of 46, so you have to look autosomal "ancestry"
Yes because haplo I is actually pre indo European so was just being transferred through intermix later. Cheers from haplo I1 sherwood England
@@antonyreyn i1 has been found in bell beakers and single grave people its definitely indo-european, just had massive founders effect going into Scandinavia
@@OzitoCementMixerCMX-120 thanks that's interesting but check out the coment on here from Finland in which they point out the highest province with I1 has only 0.38 percent Swedish speakers. They say the I1 was pre IE and that echoes what I have heard. Cheers
@@antonyreyn thats a myth that has been dispelled, the spread of i1 coincides with R1b and R1a its indo european. the natives were I2a NOT i1
@@OzitoCementMixerCMX-120 hi the comment from Finland was by Krisu Ola if u want to see it, how come they say I1 and are not IEuro but Fino ugrian? Cheers
Western Norway has a different DNA due to migration from the North down the coast, from the Stone Age. Among others, we have haplogroup Q ancestors from Siberia, and so we are distant cousins to the Native Americans. That is why we share some shamanic traditions.
Well said my friend, we really do imagine if America was founded under the Gods ? 🤷🏾♂️ definitely would be something interesting
Haplogroup Q is from the Huns. Attila's army is predominantly Ostrogoths and Scythians, Huns were the organizers and leaders of the Hunno-Gothic Confederate.
Attila's father is a Bulgar but his mother is a Scythian, his wife is from Gothic origin. After his death, his two elder sons and daughter remained in the West with their adherents, the youngest Ernik returned to his grandmothers lands, in what is now Ukraine, and founded Magna Bulgaria.
.Attila is not the name of that guy, it's a nick and means 'daddy' (see 'vati' Germ, 'tati' Bulg.) from 'Atta' old Gothic, 'Ata ' Turkic = father. His real name is Avitohol.
The original Bulgars (not to be identified with modern Bulgarians) are not Hazars or other Turkic tribe. They are an ancient Korean tribe mixed with Buryats and Tocharians. Bulgars were the leaders and organizers of Xiong-nu and that's why when the Chinese came first in the conflict with the Confederate, kicked them
out of Asia.
Now on my finger there's a gold ring that I've found in our garden. On the ring there are two parallel lines crossed with other two parallels. In old Gothic symbolism the sign means' To help you Earth and water, Sky and fire'. Check it up.
@@aporist There are at least two subclads of haplogroup Q in Europe. One is believed to come from the Huns. The other, first found in Western Norway, is more closely related to the subclads found in America, and split from them either in Siberia or even in Beringia during the Beringian standstill.
You're right, there are more than two subclads of Q. Seems those Q-guys knew that there's a continent beyond the ocean and together with the Goths 'discovered' America before Columbus.@@acenname
Sicily was also part of the VANDAL empire… it’s weird to me this map doesn’t show more on that side
That spot in the south of France, as well as in Spain could be the Visigoths
Most likely is, as it seems to be around Toulouse, their capital. And it certainly was not the Franks, who barely settled below the Loire river. And of course the Alsace would be Allemanic as well
@@sebe2255 Exactly, and in the Iberian peninsula there are also this couple spots with 5%, in Galicia could be the Suebi, and in the coastal region of Catalonia the Visigoths again.. The 1% of the rest can be the mixture between Suebi, Goths, Vandals and whatnot...
11:43 Normans conquered Sicily
I can fill in for Sicily! A Norman kingdom was founded there by the house of Hauteville, which lasted from 1061 to 1262. It was a beloved dynasty, which held Palermo as the capital, thus explaining the highest presence of that haplogroup exactly where the Norman court was. People are most amazed at knowing that there are waaaay more blonde blue-eyed Sicilians (roughly 1 out of 3-4 people) than dark-skinned ones (in my experience they are roughly 1 out of 20). We're a beautiful genetic mosaic, comprised of Greeks, North Africans, Normans, Italians, Spanish and much more!
I know Europeans despise when Americans say "I'm German" or "I'm Norweign" or "I'm British" etc. But it really means a lot to many Americans because it is specifically attached to family. Traditions passed down from our ancestors. When I visited Germany, I looked and dressed so German, Germans thought I was German and only believed I was American when I showed them my ID. But if I say I am German, without seeing me, the concept is laughable to them. The greatest trick played on the Germanic world, was isolating the Germanic diaspora in the Americas from their blood brothers in Europe.
It’s odd you completely left out haplogroups R and N . R would dominate from the Black Sea all the way west to Ireland, increasing in westward pattern while haplogroup N has become quiet huge in modern times, increasing in a north easterly direction from the Baltic Sea
He’s haplogroup I and seems to worship it despite it being a small minority of Germanic dna
@larsliamvilhelm my bad yea that’s what I meant
@Wilhelmofdeseret he never said he belonged to haplogroup I and has mentioned in multiple videos that he doesn't like DNA tests.
And to claim that haplogroup I is a "minor" Germanic haplogroup is a GROSS understatement. It is THE Germanic haplogroup. R1b & R1a are found amongst Celts and Slavs. I1 is THE Germanic marker.
I'm unsure why haplogroup N would even be mentioned. It's finno-ugric.
@@Wilhelmofdeserethe even says he doesn't give a shit about DNA tests and just does this video for his yt audience lol
Yeah I wouldn’t take this video too seriously
Normans ruled Sicily for quite a long time and also invited a lot of Lombard migration to the area.
Well .. kind of / I1 is a very useful marker of 'germanic' patrilineal dna particularly when looking at low resolutions - people with 'R1b' and 'R1a' were also 'germanic/viking' - however it is not useful to talk about R1b like you can I1 as it is much much broad. As you can be R1b and be basque, Indian, or African or even the Egyptian boy-king Tutankhamun. To be accurate it would need to be R1b1a1a2a1a1 (R-U106). For R1a - R1a1a. With I1 making up a 45% at its peak in scandinavia the remaining patrilineal is R1b1a1a2a1a1 (R-U106) and R1a1a. The culture grew out of the 3 main groups that is how the culture developed - not by I1 in isolation - Scandinavian Hunter Gatherer (SHG) populations were a mix of R1b, I2, R1a and some others. There has never been a population of solely I1 in Scandinavia - the R1b and R1a were always there beside it. So where you see I1 in Europe you can probably double the amount of germanic/viking numbers to account for R1b1a1a2a1a1 and R1a1a.
I was thinking this. I was confused for a minute.
I knew someone would address it in the comments.
I do know that the tallest people in Northern Europe test at the highest level on Yamnya ancestry.
Which makes a lot of sense about how they would have been perceived by smaller populations back then .
Even though all people were much shorter, they would have been robust intimidating men… and most likely some of the women 😆
There are a small group of Normans that were in Sicily and Cypress, but also sporadically throughout Mid to Late Roman Empire (just before and during migration period of 2-9th CE) had several Germanic peoples joing auxiliaries and the military and would have been enough to keep the genes going. Plus just about anywhere recessive genes will pop up. Some Asians are born Naturally redhead due to distant Scithian DNA
R-1a and T-2b here. We share DNA with the famous Bj581 gravesite on Bjorko island, Sweden. Interesting to note, the Birka viking woman does not appear to be Swedish, although my ancestors are Scandinavian - Norwegian, Swedish, Danish and Finnish, but T-2b is more German and may suggest that the Bjorko island viking gravesite Bj581 was actually a foreigner from mainland Europe.
My sister had a DNA test, and by the way, unlike a lot of families now, that have different parentage per sibling, we are blood related. Her genetic profile was 65% Anglo/Saxon, 15% Viking, 18% Celtic and 2% Ancient Hominid. So, as the Anglo Saxons and Vikings are both Germanic, we are of course, 80% Teutons!😊
Brother I'm portuguese, few years ago I made a DNA test, I have 5% Germanic and 2% Finland and North west Russia the rest is Celtic and Iberian
Thank you for the information. He didn’t even bothered to talk about the Iberian peninsula…
Cool info brother cheers from I1 sherwood England
@@amaliaecabert9620I know, we are always kinda forgotten😂. My ancestors are mostly from Northern Spain...it's all good
I like your videos generally but I feel your disdain for DNA testing needs to be reconsidered with some humility. Looking in the mirror is hardly a scientific test....imagine a child of a 100% Norwegian DNA person who married an Asian or African individual looking in the mirror, I doubt they would figure they were of Viking ancestry. I previously thought I was likely 100% Celtic/Anglo Saxon as I was born in north central England and we could trace back 5 generations in the same general area. Looking the mirror showed blue eyes and red brown hair so made sense. However!!! testing showed almost 25% Norwegian on my maternal side. Big surprise. It turns out that my mother's paternal side (name of Nelson, which could or could not indicate scandi background since also common in Ireland) was actually traceable back after 5 generations to the west coast of Lancashire where there are many towns with Scandinavian names (Ormskirk, Formby, Skelmersdale). I have matched genetically on MyHeritage and other site with many distant cousins from that area and also matched to a number of Norwegians distantly. The most likely explanation historically for my genetic profile is an expulsion of Ingimundr, a Norse viking, from Ireland in 902 who settled north of Chester after agreeing with Queen Athelflaed to not attach that town and being given land for settlement. The local genetics shows the persistence of Norse genes to the present day. Without DNA testing I would never have known this fascinating part to my family ancestry. Dr. Stephen Harding has done a lot of research into the viking presence in the Wirral area if you are interested and he has UA-cam videos on the subject. Sincerely......David
there is no thing as "viking ancestry" can u guys stop saying that?
@@Einarr_Norge Agreed.....sorry for the poor phraseology. I show some degree of DNA matching with various peoples who could be labelled as Vikings....including Celtic norse individual in Iceland burial, various Danish skeletons in both UK and Scandinavia, Jutland burials, etc. In other words, a hodge podge of individuals who lived in the so-called Viking age mirroring the fact that 'Vikings' could come from many places. My main point was that it was not possible to determine ancestry based on looks alone and that DNA analysis 'may" be helpful. in my personal case my DNA quite surprising to my family showed evidence of Norwegian ancestry which was completely a surprise but eventually made more believable by finding the more distant family tree coupled with the history compared to the one my parents knew prior to the current surge in genealogy research. Interestingly, my mothers mRNA testing shows a number of hits to Norwegian women too as well as the expected UK ones, as well as Americans that were linked to emigration in the 1700s.
@@Einarr_NorgeYou beat me to that answer 😂
first thanks for the reply because it jogged something in my mem to further look at. I also have Nelson ancestors. Nelson is an interesting surname because it is considered to be a matronymic. if any knows otherwise please post (last looked this up decades ago, so -). it can also be a Scots name, my Nelsons come from the Ulster Scots settlements in Augusta county VA and thence to NC. some germans here and there Welsh Lewises and Boones but very few English in Augusta county at least in the early period. Guin is another ambiguous gaelic surname it means white)
Haplogroup I1 is spredaed not only because of the Goths on the Balkans, as there are many sub groups of I1 there, but also due to Saxons migration there druing the late middle ages around 12 century, even later during the Othoman Empire 14-15 century, which continued to setteled them from Transilvania in it's territopry, for minnig iron and precious or non-ferrous metals, such as silver and copper (actually these were saxon miners, or transilvanian saxons) and to contribute that way to it's economy. This cleary could be seen as a 5% I1 path to the Greek Coast on the White Sea, the places where these metals were mined and saxon meniere's settled. But in general, I1 was spread in these territories due to the Slavs migrations, who are actually descendants of the Ostrogoths who lived in Panonia, mixed with some Baltic tribes from the North and Sarmatian tribes from the Caspian and Carpathian regions.
My great grand daddy was also haplogroup I1a , his surname is Kalac , the meaning of his surname is connected with smelting iron
Place where he come from Montenegro is called Gusnica also connected with the German word Guss or the word gissen which means to smelt in English
Very cool info, cheers from Haplo I1 sherwood England
Among Bosniaks there are around 109 families that hold haplogroup I1a. The highest concentration of haplogroup I 1a is found in the city of Zvornik that is situated beside river of Drina that was a boundary between East and West Roman empire
I was under the impression that I1 broke off from I2 in the Balkans and I1 then goes west into Italy and Spain and then moves back East up through France and Denmark into Norway and Sweden - leaving early I1 remnants in Italy Spain Albania Serbia - I don't think their I1 was later - it was way earlier
It is still a big puzzle
But the fact is I2a is more numerous than I1a in the Balkans
Those who have I1a P109 still speculate that their ancestors arrived 900 years ago because their TMRCA is not older
@@SeidKocan I suppose as the data comes in over time we'll figure it out - it is interesting in a way as to why some people leave and some people stay - manifesting in different haplogroups and their more specific sub groups - were they more adventurous or more disruptive ? and the physical differences are less relevant to me than the psychological differences
Also btw England (more so in the south, east and south east) is predominantly anglo Saxon and overall more Germanic. Average Englishman is 40% anglo Saxon and around 20% Celtic with the rest being a bit of Scandinavian and French/german.
the Anglo-Saxon dna is very similar to modern day Danes and Dutch, so it's quite difficult to say how much is Danish Viking dna and how much is Anglo-Saxon because the Angles and Jutes came from Denmark and Saxons from the Netherlands plus northern Germany, but Northern Germany reads as Danes because it was part of Denmark
@@veronicajensen7690 yeah exactly, it’s hard enough to differentiate Celtic and Germanics but it’s obviously a lot more easier to than angles, Saxons, jutes, frisians, Danes and the other Germanics.
@jonnyneace8928 every region in England on average is about 37% anglo Saxon and 20% Celtic. This is very true, you can search it up and you will be met with various sources saying that exact thing.
@jonnyneace8928 yeah that’s why I said English are more Germanic, because the angles, jutes, Saxons, Frisian’s and Danes all have the exact same dna.
No on averge most English people have more celtic DNA the Anglo saxon take me im English born and bred my DNA test came back as my highest Country for my DNA was ireland ?
I find it all fascinating, so thanks. My dna shows I have 26% Scandinavian 😂 so on St. Patrick's day I'll drink to the mixture of it all ❤
I'm a finn from the western Finland, from the Southern Ostrobothnia, yet having over 95% germanic and scandinavian genes on me from the both parental sides, respectively. 😊
We had surpising results in our DNA. My mom had her DNA and my brothers from Ancestry. Then for my birthday last year, she got the MyHeritage DNA test for me. The surprising thing was we found Italian DNA in my list instead of french and dunno how that happened. My dad's side is German and French and English (although he wouldn't admit that). My mom's side is pretty much all English and Welsh and a smattering of Scots... She was surprised to find Denmark and Scandinavian DNA. We figured it has something to do with Vikings, but still haven't really proved it. Maybe that's where the Italian came from too. I dunno. DNA is so confusing.
Funny thing: I know that a few years ago a man from Ukraine took a DNA test, and it turned out that he did not have the standard Slavic haplogroup, but "I". 😅😅
By the way, he lived in a city near the water until 2022...
First, I had an autosomal dna test and I found loads of realtives in the USA, both on my father's and mother's side. I also have done the mt-dna test. My haplogroup is H11a1. It points towards Sweden and Finland, also common in the Neatherlands and Denmark. Ties in with some of the autosomal results too. All in all if you do your geneology, dna testing is a great help.
Personally, I was shocked at how similar the three different DNA tests I did, were. And how accurate it was to the history of my surnames. I knew I was almost entirely Irish and Scottish, but didn't understand why I was 29%/31%/27% Norwegian. But when I studied all my family surnames it made sense. All my mothers surnames were Scottish clans with Norwegian viking progenitors(MacIver/Morrison/MacLeod/MacLean)and the majority of my fathers surnames are Irish forms of Norse names(MacGofraid/MacCosker/Maguire/Lawson)
so western isles with Donald of the Isles. i have McCuistons, Wylies who apparently lived between the McGregors and McFarlands, Smiths from the Shetlands, Waddells from Ireland either with Bishop Leslie and the protestant ascendancy or there was a Waddell prisoner I think from the Battle of Dunbar who was shipwrecked on northern Ireland and of course stayed.also Crozier which apparently is Gaelic but elusive.
@@rayp-w5930 The McQuistons were started by a Viking and the MacDonalds are probably the largest clan to come from the Norse. They are also members of the Uí Ímair Dynasty along with my MacGofraids, MacLeods, Morrisons, and possibly MacIver.
very interestingly there's a city in Portugal (where im from) with a lot of viking traditions (runes, stones, the boat, blonde, blue eyed people, etc)
Are you keeping the name a secret?
I am Dutch and recently did one of those commercial DNA tests and the results amazed me, 55% scandinavian and 45% north European. Seems like I havent crossed half of Europe after all these ages. A true germanic I guess.
Can you do a video on the Visigoths and Ostrogoths. Especially theodoric the 1st vs the huns
The source for this I1 map also has other maps that might be more useful. For example, there is a Germanic Y-DNA map that seems to correspond more closely with what percentage of the DNA in a given region comes from Germanic people versus Celtic or Slavic people. It lists lower Saxony, Germany and other parts of northern Germany, Frisia, and Scandinavia in the 75+% range, which is more useful than the paltry percentages shown in those regions here.
The majority of Americans with the Vick surname are Hap Q of the variety often found in Iceland and to a lesser extent in Norway with some in other countries like England and in some central Asian tribes like the Kets. We trace our paternal origins to southwest England. We suspect our paternal origins may have a connection to vik as in Viking (said with a short i in Scandinavia not the long i in English). Our Hap Q may also be a result of some ancient mixing of the Vikings with the Kets as part of going viking in the fringes of Asia.
I have had a disease in my left hands tendon, I was handicapped slightly, before I have been operated. It is sometimes called "vikings disease" because men from the north of Europe get it more likely than men from the south. I am from the north of Germany.
I think the Visigoth kingdom in southern France and Spain may help explain the density of I haplogroup in the Provence of France. The Vandals also settled in northwestern Spain, so perhaps…
King Roger in Sicily was Norman and brought his relatives and retainers, and later, (1194-1266), the Hohenstaufen dynasty ruled Sicily, with Frederick II (half Swabian half Sicilian) being the most famous (called Stupor Mundi), he brought retainers and soldiers from Swabia and other parts of Germany. After Charles of Anjou took over with French forces, the Rebellion of the Vespers kicked them out soon after and the Sicilians invited the Catalans (Kingdom Aragon) to take possession of the island. Unfortunately the Castilians eventually inherited the island and basically robbed the wealth of the land and fisheries for centuries.
Pale eyes were at 100% fixation in Mesolithic Western and Central European hunter gatherers, so finding such anywhere in Europe has little to do with Germanic folk wandering. Blondism is not a specifically Germanic feature, many northern Slavs are blond, as indeed are some Amazigh (Berbers) of North Africa (and some native Australians of the central deserts). The native Canarians, the Guanches, were described by Spanish settlers as blond, as proved by some of their mummies. We have descriptions of Blond (xanthous) and blue/grey eyed (glaucous) ethnic Greeks and Romans from before the Germanic invasions. What you see are clines in population features, there are dark haired, dark eyed Swedes and blond blue eyed Spaniards, but it does not follow that their ancestry was from anywhere other than their native area. We also have descriptions of Viking Age Scandinavians, Egil Skallagrimson was bald, his remaining hair was 'iron grey', his eyes and beard were black and his eyebrows met in the middle. He was definitely a Viking, but not stereotypical in appearance.
My paternal haplogroup is I-M170 (23andme stated that 1 out of 300,000 testers have it). My father is African American. The strange thing, though, is that I also got my maternal grandfather to do a test (he's from Dublin,Ireland), and he has the exact same haplogroup. Considering it's so rare, i found it odd that my dad and my maternal grandfather would possess the same haplogroup
I'm brazilian, but I have green eyes, red beard and very pale skin. Unfortunately I cant afford a DNA test right now, but I dont know any brazilian native or african ancestry in my family's history. My father family comes from Netherlands and mainly Portugal. My mother's family (which my phenotype resembles the most) come from Switzerland, Northern Italy (Trento) and Spain. I'm trying to find my path into pagan spirituality and I don't feel right following brazilian african cults as I may not have any family ancestry on it (it just feels disrespectful) but I was born in Brazil, not in europe. From all the countries my family came from, the celtic people were present in the past. Would it be legit to follow a celtic pagan path? Even tho I live in a very different culture?
It would, in my opinion. It's how you choose to construct it. I'm American, but grew up in Argentina from first generation Argentinians whose parents came from Northern Spain and probably Brazil/Portugal. I became interested in history and genealogy because my parents knew so little about their own roots, and that's how I got into the Celtic culture. From there I leapt to the Vikings and I've believed in the Norse gods since I was 10. I'm 47 now, so quite a trip. I learned than my "roots" are a lot of different things and people, spanning many places, cultures, and time. I will never know everything for sure, a lit of it is always gonna lost to time...but I'm free to re-interpret my past as I choose, honoring my ancestors and their journey. I recently tried 23 and Me. A part of me wanted that "Viking" ancestry, which didn't show up. Other things did, that I did not imagine...but I don't have to have "Viking" DNA to believe in Odin. I'm just sharing my experience to encourage you to follow your journey and see where it leads. I hope you find what you are looking for!
@06drodriguez thanks buddy. Actually I followed the Germanic pagan path for years and I still do, but I felt bad for not being actually a German or something. You're right, we, in Americas are a great mix of populations and our connection is much more important
According to a danish research I2 was dominant in Scandinavia but went extinct. I1 is a bottle neck surviver.
I wouldn't call I1 Germanic.
I1 and R1b are
Right there are also subclades associated with R1b and R1a. My purely paternal branch with Sweden ancestry is R1b. The "maternal" lines associated are I1.
@@karriewelborn7167 I1 is paternal as well.
So is I2 and is part of WHG ancestry.
Allentoft have great work on its presence in pre historical south Scandinavia
Yes it's pre indo European
I did 2 a few years ago i wanted to compare they came back the same lol but i was skeptical at first. I like that it broke it down to towns and cities. And was a helpful tool in reconnecting with lost family. My great grandfather immigrated to the U.S. in 1906 from leitrum ireland. With the help of dna sites i was able to track down family and even got a copy of his boarding pass to america.
Thanks for sharing the video I hope it helps people in the future with good information
I'm 64. All I have to do is look at my Swedish grandfather's last drivers license picture when he was 77 and I can see I'm from him. As with my father and my son and daughter.
and thats the ONLY way to really trace your ancestry back, look at your family memebers as far back as its recorded, DNA tests online are just a scam.
I1, R1b, R1a, who met, fought, and melded in the greater Germania area from 5000-3000 ybp figured it out. Somehow, the I1 persevered and held their own during the Northern Indo European expansion and became one with them. Much like Amerindian tribes would meld with European colonists 500 years ago across the Americas. It may have been rough in the beginning but it is lost in the past… and here we are…. Still breeding with our cousins from around the world. There is only one race, the human race. Much respect to our out of Africa hominids who helped make the out of Africa homo Sapien colonists who we are: the Neanderthal and Denisovian.
Goths and Normans migrated to and conquered parts of Italy. Both raided Sicily. The Normans even established the Kingdom of Sicily. Perhaps the Lombards even went there at one point as well. It is likely that Visigoths and later Normans had the same effect on southern France.
The lombards ruled Italy for well over 200 years after the Roman empire fell. The Norman's showed up later, and were tolerated, but they did not rule anything, until we decided we didn't want to anymore and handed the crown, and keys to the kingdom to Charlemagne. Had we wanted to, we could have easily removed them from existence like we did the vandals. We were tired of the politics and backstabbing though. 14:09
The visigoths are not germanic at all but celtic romanians ( dacians), that got to spread christianity to the germanics.
One can have a haplogroup I1 and be black African or Chinese. Y-Haplogroup may show tribe movements, but not so much on a individual ,Funny how I1 is called Germanic when Germans dominant haplogroup is R1b.
German and germanic are not synonyms.
@@cathjj840 your statement is true, but is a false narrative to the point. I said is funny because the genetic term of I1 is called Germanic when the name Germanic is mostly related to people who speak a Germanic language.
Italy case: yes you are right about your assumption but the map in dark blue was a little bit more accurate than the one with group I1.
It’s all little bit more east and more south.
Frederick Red Beard, legendary Suebi King settled the capital of his kingdom in Andria (Puglia near Brindisi, folks might know the famous octagonal fortress which belonged to him), the kingdom lasted a few centuries while the capital was later moved to Sicily and later ended up in Naples when the kingdom of Naples was built from the ashes of the kingdom of Frederick II Red Beard.
Now this kingdom was basically all south part of the boot + Sicily.
…Knowing Italian culture, I believe there was a lot of interbreeding between nobles and regular folks… that’s how these light features are still so present in the South, more occasional there than common I would say but still well spread. Sicily was also conquered by the Normans like someone else here said and during Rinasciment became popular vacation spot where Noble families from England, France, and Astro-Hungary had their summer estates.
It is welll known and well documentated that that bright features are much more common in North of Italy in confront of the South, due to a much more intensive presence of Longobards and Celtic populations...
Hi,
I come from Montenegro
We have tribes called Novljani and Drobnjaks, they have haplogroup I1a P109.
My father in law has this haplogroup, In Ottoman times in the Balkans they held titles such as pashas and begs
Cool stuff
The algo is really screwing me on my Norse magic and beliefs… I just don’t see you at all anymore. I’m going back to just specifically checking in weekly. Good to see you again fren.
Please do a video about the Sami and the Vikings in the viking age. It is hard to find much information and so many people mistake a lot of facts :) Would love that!
Orleans is close to where the battle of the Catelaunian fields happened - the battle the turned Atilla back from Western Europe. The armies that fought there included Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Burgundians and others. Some of them maybe stuck around after
Somewhere i read , that into 19th century some newborn babies had the socalled ,mongolisn spot' on their back, also No Wonder.
Well, there's that possibility but also even very briefencounters, often violent, could have left their mark. "Le repos du guerrier" and all that.
West coast Swedes and Norwegians came from Croatia originally. They are the megalith builder that have put their marks all along the European coast. East coast Swedes are the Yamnaya descendants. As you stated it's easy to see the difference. The Croatian type is more blond and they have a more square jaw and flat forehead. Example is the Swedish wrestler Frank Andersson. The East coast Swedes are darker and haven't square jaws and often a more sloping forehead. Example my picture. Then we have some ancient minorities as the Same, Finnish and Khazars. The slave trade also brought slavic traits to Scandinavia. Our Swedish Royal family is of mostly Khazar origin as is many "nobel" families all over Europe due to the Habsburgs.
I'm of Portugese descent I1 DF29 Z60 Z140 A196 Y6900 Y199436 YF73314 on the YFull tree. Visigoth for sure
One thing that you don't discuss is Catherine the Great and the Russian Empire. She was Germanic (Prussian) and encouraged Germanic farmers to migrate during her expansion of the Russian Empire in the 1700's. She offered them great incentives to populate and farm newly acquired territories. This may be the explanation that you're looking for as to why places like Ukraine have newer Germanic and/or Scandinavian haplogroups. Her son and grandson didn't have the same affection and took away the rights she granted, causing many Germanic people to pull up stakes and move elsewhere.
Ohhh are these the famous Volgan Germans that were expulsed or slaughtered by the Russian Soviet operation Uranus?
What about R-L48.?? I've seen that listed as Anglo-saxon before
Can't argue with the science of DNA, compared to history which can be manipulated
Finnish I1 comes from two sources: early coastal Proto Germanic mix with Baltic Finns and later Swedish immigration during the second millennium. Finnish language has preserved plenty of Proto Germanic loan words. Modern Finnish speakers' main male haplogroups are N1 and I1 while the descendants of the Swedish settlers have typically I1, R1b or R1a.
Sorry I keep commenting this but can you look into Native American and Viking connections? Heard a lot of the myths match up almost perfectly between each other. Seeing they were there in 1000ad shows there could be real probability of Native American and Vikings interacting and interbreeding
Attention! In southern Italy the Normans had also a conquered an own Kingdom. And kingdom of Naples was from about 1200 to 1268 ruled by swabian Hohenstaufen dynasty. This is may be the reason swabian people ( i am swabian) ate some food similar to italian food, when italian food was unknown in Germany. Examples: Nudeln/ Pasta, Spätzle/ Spazzulla, Maultaschen/ Ravioli, Tortellini, Dätscher, Deie, Dinnet/ Pizza.
Cool, it's theorised that Swaffham in Norfolk comes from the Swabbians. Cheers from Sherwood England
@@antonyreyn : Sherwood Forrest? Nottingham? Somewhere i read that the english settlement name ending ,-ingham' means , Settlement of ....' , so Nottingham would be , Settlement/ Farm of Nott'. In my swabian Homeregion the most common settlements name ending is. ,-ingen', meaning , Settlement of ....s men/ retinue'. So maybe the Not far away village Notzingen may BE means the Same than Nottingham, when this is true. Also in Bavaria there is a town Ochsenfurt, means Ox(en)ford in english. Ox an Ochs ( dialects of southern Germany ) is spoken the same. But that Baltimore was founded by a man from nearby village Baltmannsweiler is a lokal joke
@@brittakriep2938 very intereting info thanks,yes nottingham but our founder was actual Snotti which has a negative sound in English so they changed it. But I also wonder about the ING because of the God Ingvi and Anglo Saxon is called Ingaevone. Cheers
I was adopted so I can’t look at my family history. These tests are all I have. DNA shows I’m 92 percent Northwest European…England, Ireland, Scotland,Danish, Swedish.
Barely any Norway or Wales. What’s weird is 7 percent parts of Africa which is weird for a 6’ 3” 250 pound blue eyed white guy 🤔.
I2 is a bit more complicated than I1. A lot of people will tell you I2 is Baltic or dinaric, but this isn’t exactly true. For example my I21b1 formerly I2a2a snow 6433 is Germanic. If you research the distribution of it, it will be all England, Germany and Sweden.
I would like to say haplogroups are less than 1% of your dna but they’re still very useful depending on the topic & of course your opinion.
Haplogroups are useful for tracing the migrations of people.
I'm a south slav and I have some Scandinavian DNA, I guess probably the reason is because of the Goths that pretty much influenced also genetically eastern Europe which were originary from Scandinavia
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So, it seems a lot of comments agreed to the vid maker not to take dna test, but then most do exactly knows their haplogroup. Interesting 🤨
The Viking raids went up the rivers in France. These included the Seine, the Loire, and the Garonne Rivers among other tributaries. The Normans picked up from there. The Norman lion is featured on many of the provincial crests of these valleys onto the Massif Central. That explains the DNA. R1B was the major Y haplogroup of the Germano-Celts.
I1 existed in Europe long before the Germanic immigration. The Germanic tribes were Indo-Europeans, just like the Celts.
Both have the same genetic origin and migrated to Europe at relatively the same time!
Not sure if anyone pointed this out or not about you describing recessive traits in Italian peoples, but the way Mendelian genetics describes inheritance, its actually very easy to see how recessive traits continue to be passed on in a population. For instance, if you take two parents both of which are carriers of a recessive trait, but don't show it (Aa & Aa), then their children will end up being AA, Aa, Aa, aa. As you can see, 75% will show the dominant traits, but 75% will still carry the recessive genes. Even when only a single parent is a carrier (Aa) and the other parent is not (AA), you wind up with AA, Aa, AA, Aa, where 50% of the children end up with a recessive trait even though 0% show the expression of that trait.
My sister took a DNA test and it just confirmed what we already knew, 7/8 German and 1/8 Swedish. My grandfather was Swedish.
9:50 In France, the area in the south west with the 5% is maybe a consequence of the visigothic period, because their original settlement was the Garonne river, and it corresponds to this area.
It makes sense what you said about the people looking different in that area of high density i1 in Scandinavia ... If you watch the movie Hawaii Oslo ..it seems to give a good impression of the people in the main I1 haplogroup area in Scandinavia. ive noticed my phenotype seems most common in that area( southwest sweden/ oslo area ) Fridtjof Nansen,Anders Breivik😬,Trond Espen Seim,Jan Gunnar Røise ,Morten Faldaas..good examples i think of that area..
I dont understand, on several dna tests i am roughly 50% scandinavian, 30% english snd the rest other european ancestry but my haplogroup is e1b1b which is african in descent! Im so confused lol
jews? 😅😅
@@an0nycat meaning?
Hi your Haplogroup is only a minute % of your Dna - example over 500 years you have approx 200,000 ancestors but only 20 direct haplogroup paternal ancestors. So the test is right just an interesting anomaly to your overall results. Cheers from Sherwood England
Your paternal line is Phoenician
@@verenatuna9010 oh really? How have you come to this conclusion?
R1b-U106 is the most common West Germanic YDNA signature. Less common in the Scandinavian peninsula - apart from SW Norway where is at the same levels as Britain and the western coast of Europe. One documentary claimed that it came to Norway along with R1-L21 from Britain due to the Viking's importation of slaves from Britain. . The R1a haplogroup is common in Scandinavia and in eastern Europe. It was also brought into the British Isles by the Vikings. According to its distribution map it is more common in western and northern Scotland than I1.
Correct .. and R1A as well , those are practically the same Indo-European brunches who came to Europe pretty much the same time - R1b though North Africa , R1A though Eastern Europe . In the middle of the Europe they collide fighting for domination and pushing each other back and forth finally settling in the Middle . Funny part that while R1B and R1A were fighting for domination they almost completely wiped "native" European population haplogroup I pushing few survivors far North to Scandinavia and far South to Balkan Mountains ,effectively dividing that haplogroup to I1 and I2
R1b-M269 came from Africa? Lol R1b-M269 came from Yamnya. R1a is Eurasian. Germanic is Proto Indo European language from the Pontic Steppe all elite PIE burials were R1b.
keep in mind that Karl der Grosse (latin: Karolus Magnus - thats the real name, not 'Charlemagne' - such a guy didnt exist) when fighting the Saxons did not only also some massacres but resettled also many to other parts of Europe (especially other parts of Germany, France and I think even Spain (maybe also Italy but forgot about that)
Didn't haplogroup I split in I1 and I2 somewhere in SE Europe - NW Balkans ? Do you know the route of I1 to Scandinavia ?
Also recently I've learned from a Maastricht professor that early Sapiens in Europe - haplogroup I and C - were pretty black skinned . How do you think they became withe and blondes in northern Europe ? Indo-Europeans where white skinned .
the Vandals settled in Sicily and North Africa after plundering Rome
Southern Italy should be a little higher as it was conquered and ruled by Normans for 200 years and it isn't rare to see very Nordic looking people. I'd say most southern Italians are a mixture of Latin, Greek and Norman DNA so it's normal that the dominant genes from the first two are going to hide the classic Norman features.
Southern Italians have middle eastern/ north African blood
as the Roman empire imported them there.same thing happened to ancient Greece.you see history repeats itself diversity concept is not new.as for Sicily there was Nordic presence there but got almost wiped out by middle eastern invasion
cant believe u didnt notice the suebi in north portugal, since that one really baffles me. also i heard about some kind of "stauffen" german royals that migrated to sicily
I love Germanic people, one of my best friends is a Dane
Sorry to say but argument about Irish women at Iceland is totally wrong. Y-DNA is completely about direct male line, so it has nothing to do with wives' DNA
R1a - yp5598. Ancestors from Oslo Norway. Theoretical path was through the baltics, Germany and Denmark then norway around the year 100 ce possibly.
The DNA test I had was fascinating from the historical angle. Both maternal and paternal sides of the family are from areas in England which were part of the Danelaw, set up by Alfred the Great in his treaty with the Danish king Guthrum - the E Midlands (Derbyshire/Notts), and East Anglia/Lincolnshire. The result gives me nearly 60% "English" (Anglo-Saxon ?) ancestry, with 24% Scandinavian, and only 16% Scots/Welsh/Irish ("Celtic" ?) ancestry. There's obviously a margin of error, of course, but I was impressed by the historical match.
I would like to request a video topic. Whilst the Angles and Saxons and to a lesser degree, the Jutes seem to be quite well documented, I can find little on the Centi Tribe, from which the County name of Kent is derived. Particularly around the Canterbury area, there is a very distinct almost black-haired group even today. In appearance, similar to the southwest Cornwall and Devon people. The word Invicta, meaning unconquered, is still used today in Kent, albeit far removed from original meaning.
I could imagine the higher percentages on the Balkans is related to trading along the Danube. In Bavaria graves were found where Germanic men were buried with women from the Black Sea region. As trade along the river was important, there might have been a practice of intermarrying to strengthen alliances of tribes that did trade with each other. Because if you look at where on the Balkans the percentage is higher, that seems an area around the Danube.
Why Y-DNA ("father line") is so significant instead of "mother line"?
I too find this interesting. Especially with how much the Norse spread out over time. And then there was the time they were part of the Varangian Guard. I think the fascination comes from the "Vikings" and it's associated type shows. Plus it's just plain neat, especially to this group.