UK Knife Law Update 2023
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- UK Knife Law Update 2023 -
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"Certainly, I can provide you with some information on the Charles Brooker vs the Director of Public Prosecutions case.
Charles Brooker was convicted of carrying a lock knife in public, which is a criminal offense in the UK. However, Brooker argued that the knife he was carrying was not illegal because the blade was under three inches in length, which was the legal limit for a non-locking folding knife at the time.
The case was taken to the Court of Appeal, where it was decided that the "cutting edge" of the blade should be used to measure its length, rather than the "ricasso" (the unsharpened part of the blade between the handle and the cutting edge). This meant that the blade on Brooker's knife was actually just over three inches in length, making it illegal to carry in public.
As a result of this decision, the law was amended in to include the ricasso in the definition of the blade length. This means that any knife with a blade over three inches, including the ricasso, is now considered a prohibited weapon in the UK and cannot be carried in public without a valid reason.
The case has been controversial, with some arguing that it is unfair to measure the blade length in this way, while others argue that it is necessary to prevent people from carrying dangerous weapons in public."
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i don't mind the limit on blade length. I hate the facts that i cant lock a blade open for my own safety.
I have to agree. 3 to 3.5 inches is fine. It's the perfect EDC size. The locking / non-locking means nothing.
If you need a locking blade though just use one. It's illegal to carry freely in public, it's not illegal to use one.
When I go hunting, I take a large fixed blade knife to deal with my quarry. There is nothing prohibiting you from using one.
When I'm going to the shops, I carry a non-locking blade and it's never been an issue and isn't illegal. :/
I couldn't agree more. I have plenty of lovely fixed blade knives that are only just over that length but my little Mora Eldris has a tiny blade but is a wonderful knife with a greate blade and a comfortable handle, safe to use and fits in the pocket beautifully......but it's an illegal blade, MENTAL!
The thing that these law makers forget is that if I'm a criminal I don't care about legality so I'll take an illegal knife out with me but as a person that wants an EDC tool, something like the Eldris would be wonderful, even if they want to put a 3inch limit in place
@@jaysee2213 The thing you forget though is that everybody is a law abiding citizen until they are not. Without laws, they wouldn't be criminals.
@@lmaoroflcopter okay, so someone that is carrying a knife as a weapon doesn't care what they're carrying. Someone like us that EDC a tool, we do care about the law but the law is silly when the tool is made less useful and more dangerous to the user
Apparently 74% of knives used in UK knife crime are Domestic Kitchen Knives , so the ban on locking blades does absolutely nothing
Correct. The other 20% are things like screw drivers, chisles, and box opener blades. It's a joke. None of the laws we have today have stopped knife crime... And it's increasing day to day. Nobody is addressing why these youths are carrying knives
I belive the locking part was meant to legislate against box cutters and stanley type blades. It was just badly worded.
And by the same logic, machine guns are very rarely used to commit murder in this country, so they should not be illegal.
@@paulinequinton1478 That’s completely different logic and makes zero sense.
A useful tool used daily for legitimate purposes by millions of people is very different from a weapon designed to be as lethal as possible to as many people as possible.
And I say this as someone who thinks of shooting as the only sport I've ever been interested in. Access should be possible for such purposes, but general availability of such a weapon would not be sensible.
@@paulinequinton1478
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Knife laws are silly in England. I was born in the late ‘60’s and it was common place to have a knife for your 13 birthday. A lot of my mates including me, had Airguns on our 14th birthdays.
Going back to knives, it was common place for people to walk around with sheath knives on your belt, if you were off down the woods with your mates, or off to Scouts on a camp.
I’m a gardener now, and I sometimes walk around carrying a full size machete,obviously on my way to or from work.
But everyday, I carry a knife, as I see it as a useful tool.
They are just handy to have.
All the best.👍🏾🇬🇧
As I was born in the 1950s, I would beg to differ, slightly. Yes, Scouts could wear knives in camp and in uniform - including going on parade, etc., and you could obviously use your knife in the woods. However, a solo scout travelling on the bus would not be in quite the same circumstances and I am pretty sure you would have to have the knife secured until the event, itself. Now, I accept that there would be many situations where you could get away with wearing a knife on the way to the local woods or whatever, but the basic application of the law was not that different.
Having been born in the US and recently spending half of my years in Europe/UK I find it rather stupid that y'all can't do what is described above anymore . when I was growing up (2000's-early 2010's) it was rather normal to have a knife at 10, and a pellet gun at 12. I hope Y'all's laws get better as while we have our own problems in the US, I can see the cracks forming in your systems as well.
@keegan v laws in the UK rarely change or get revoked in favour of less restriction. They typically remain forever like Bill of Rights 1689 or Coronation Act 1688.
Alternatively, they reword to be more widespread application (definition changes) or its superceded by a more controlling act of legislation than before.
Which is what was being pointed out above your comment how it was, (there was law there then, it just was not as strict and oppressive), the laws now BAN before they were more advice/guidance, and laws in the UK only get more restrictive, there will NEVER be a repealing of the knives, bladed instruments of offensive weapons acts, these will only continue to be tightened as ever more politicians seek to leave their name on "protection" law creation logs.
90% of these laws do not stop the crime they intend to stop when first envisioned.
It is simple logic. To think a criminal who intends to carry a knife in an urban street with the purpose of "self-defence" is not concerned about an act of law prohibiting such an act of carrying it.
How is this conclusion arrived at? Well, the act of wounding, murder, manslaughter etc already exist in law and even the dimmest idiots know killing or wounding another person is a criminal act, yet these youths still take a knife before the ban to do such injury, so adding a punishment does nothing to prevent the crime. It is only reported in that light.
Police and media will say that X number knives were seized and taken off the streets, but these did not "prevent crime" they theoretically prevented crime. Its a play on words because the crime needs to be taking place to be prevented, going equipped (burglary) was created for this reason, as a preventative crime because until the burglary was in or attempting entry there was no crime taking place to stop.
So knife law was introduced to provide the same comparable offence as with the burglary crimes, that of being equipped (a crime of intention to commit a later crime).
It is not stopping a crime of knife crime it is a knife crime by the fact the law made it a crime.
Making sense?
This is why it won't get better.
Govts only know how to restrict rights, freedoms, and privileges, the govt is not about creating freedom or enabling choice.
That is why we have taxes, to enforce payment to the state,
And income tax was set up to pay for war with France and Napoleon in the late 1700's, by 1816 Income tax was abolished and was defeated in the house of commons by just 37 votes, however govt being what it is in 1842 the income taxes were reintroduced and have never been voted upon again. Except to make them more widespread or higher percentages of incomes taken.
The original taxes were from 1 to 10% of incomes today they are 20 to 40% of incomes, that is, not an inflationary rise, that's greed. The % rates have increased, thus increasing the amount charged.
Sorry I digress, my point is, govt makes laws and only ever tightens them like a noose, they never release (repeal) them to give freedom.
@@keeganv5816 this country is pathetic and it's people more so. God bless America.
my grandad gave me a knife at about 13-14ish, that was about a decade ago, cheap little no brand thing but I treasure it more than multi-hundred pound knives
i live in england and i agree, the knife laws are stupid, we arent allowed the locking safety feature and we arent even allowed to defend ourselves at all, otherwise we get punished. good vid btw
Thanks Soup. What annoys me is you're not allowed to carry something for defensive reasons. Carrying a brick to defend yourself is illegal... Get attacked and pick a brick up to defend yourself and that is legal (as long as the brick is none locking and less than 3 inches 🤣)
If some psycho attacked me I'm meant to run away and hope I can run faster than them
@Moorlander EDC
In the U.K we're just a bunch of running chopping boards to machete men these days...chances are if you did defend yourself like you said you'd probably get in more trouble, lol.
Also let's be honest, if you are looking to hurt people you are not going to say hold on please while I get my probably maximum 5inch folding blade locking or not out of your pocket.
The majority of stabbings are done with a mother's kitchen knife if they let us EDC/bushcraft guys carry whatever size locking/non locking in public they'd still have the same amount of stabbings as we're not the ones putting them in other humans.
As ever here though....only takes a few idiots ruin it for the masses.
Love your chopping board with legs analogy 😂 pretty much sums it up
@@MoorlanderEDC Haha...I'm glad we can share a laugh about one of our crap laws mate. 🤣
You are a top man with top content. 👍
England is a proper noun, and is written with a capital E. Thankyou, that will be all.
A while ago my colleague's son was run through with a sword in a pub. Luckily he survived.
One thing that BBB mentioned recently that even if you have a legal carry knife and are stopped and searched, the police will try everything in the book to make you admit that the knife could be used as a weapon. Never agree with them on this and never ever say " self defence" or "personal protection ".
Great vid. Thanks.
I spotted that too. Especially asking "could this be used as a weapon" and then taking them if you say yes. I have the utmost respect for the Boys and Girls in Blue however that's a wee bit under hand
you are legally allowed to carry a sword if its more than 100 years old or if the blade is curved and less than 50cm, weird right
@@SoSimonSays Nope. You are not allowed to carry a sword in public without good reason. I have a couple of Kukri that are almost certainly over 100 years old and under 50 cm, but I wouldn't risk carrying them "in public". I would have no problem buying such a blade and taking it home - if it was wrapped up and secured in a bag or case and out of sight - but not openly on the street, unless there were some event where it was reasonable to do so.
@@charleshayes2528 yeah well the law says otherwise
@@charleshayes2528 Banned knives and weapons
If a knife or weapon is listed in the following table, it’s illegal to:
possess it
bring it into the UK
sell or hire it out
lend or give it to someone
There are some legal exemptions. For example, knives and weapons which are over 100 years old are exempt, except for flick knives. If you want advice on exemptions, contact your local police or get legal advice.
Copied from .gov
In Tasmania we are not allowed to legally carry any knife, not even a SAK or a Leatherman. The list of valid reasons for carrying is not a long one. A lot of the population are rural and bush people, it makes no sense when the criminals do as they please anyway, no matter what the law says! The laws only restrict the people that would never use a knife for the wrong reasons...
Honestly am surprised the UK is not the same. Although alot of people here will argue that you can't carry any knive because either they are uneducated on the law. I've had so many people say I'll still get charged if am searched and my UKPK is found. I may still get taken to the station if the police are uneducated but once I got charged for having a tiny lockback and the officer said if it didn't lock I would of been fine!
Whow , shocked. Not even a Leatherman!!! I work in a factory in the UK. I use it a lot it's problem solving tool , we have Martor retractable safety box knives at work also , just not so handy .
lol Starting to understand law yet, its not for you its for them
pretty much the same in Norway
True, this is said so often that there is no way the law-makers havent heard it so Im starting to think they dont care and are using every tactic possible to disarm the citizenry, the mass of any population is law-abiding so naturally the laws will always affect the majority. Once the majority is disarmed then they can move in an eliminate the criminals who are still armed and then you have a totally compliant society like in any communist country from history.
I’m subscribed to a service that alerts me to all discussions in parliament and the Lords about knives. Your assertion that we are governed by idiots is absolutely correct.
You're a very wise man Ian. ✊ Hope you're well buddy
Brit here but speaking for usa, when they talk about their gun bans they dont even know what they are talking about, thinking an ar15 can fire nukes or something, they have absolutely no clue
Which service is that please?
Criminally corrupt idiots?
They're not idiots mate, they're tyrants
Live in the UK, personally the real danger is from shop bought kitchen knives those are cheap easy to obtain, while I believe a knife is a tool to be used as such its the intent that makes the line squiffy, I also love to be able to carry a locking blade simply for its safety for the user
Agreed. More stabbings have happened from knives bought from Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys etc than anywhere else. I watches some footage today of gangs of youths with machetes from the likes of Wish.com
@@MoorlanderEDC There was a fight between some blokes here over a weed grow a couple of months ago and the police were easily able to get the cctv of them all, 30 minutes before they killed the guy, stopping off in Sainsbury's to buy a large kitchen knife each. :facepalm:
I lost faith in this countrys laws a very long time ago. It seems like the law is charging into the abyss. I hope that they eventually see reason but i doubt it.
Everything they do is "against us"!
I'm a Disabled British War Pensioner and I remember when I was being taught about Weapons, the Instructor said "a Firearm is an inanimate object, just like a ballpoint pen! It's the person who wields the firearm or ballpoint pen.... That has the capacity to do great damage!" One of the guys asked "surely a Firearm can do far more damage than a Ballpoint pen?" And the instructor replied "not necessarily! Look at the politicians who wield ballpoint pens to put their signature on foolish bills of law, and damage all of our lives!!!! We don't outlaw ballpoint pens... We blame the Politicians!!! Why don't we do the same thing with firearms?" The same thing applies to blades, it's irrational and made up by foolish Politicians.... Let Responsibility and Freedoms be granted to Responsible, Free British Citizens... And punish the fools who are Irresponsible and use the inanimate object to cause harm!! Don't punish me for the acts of others!! These restrictions damage my way of life!!🤬🤬🤬🤬
That's such a fitting lesson. It's as true then as it is now. Thanks for sharing this. I hope you're well and having a cracking week 🍻
...I mean... no .
A knife is a genuine tool, used for construction or art or maintenance or just basic survival tasks like food and firewood prep, shelters etc.. None of those involve harm, and you can ALSO use it for hunting and killing, which do. But a gun cannot be used for anything *else*. It's a weapon or an intimidation, and that's all it is. A gun is a tool, sure, but its a tool only for violence or intimidating violence into stopping. Guns are only tools if people & animals are objects. And people & animals are not objects. Soldiers are not primarily craftsmen or tradesmen and we make damn sure they see the enemy as objects not people because their job, ultimately, is to kill folk. That's not something everyone can do and I have much respect for everything our armed forces have to go through physically and mentally - but there's really no point pretending otherwise.
So a gun is a weapon, and it is only a weapon. That's all it can ever be. It's not a 'tool' except by twisting the meaning a fair bit, there's a reason we invented the concept of 'weapon' being a classification. A knife or axe is both a tool and a weapon. A gun is just a weapon. A sword or mace is just a weapon.
Guns are also FUN, don't get me wrong - I don't know why folk have to insist on 'defence' and 'protection' arguments you can just say "me like when boomstick go boom," and that's... totally fine and honest? I *also* like when boomstick go boom and I'd really love to be able to experience that without jumping through every hoop the law can throw at me and still maybe get told no. And I'm a bloody good instinctive shot with a longarm, it turns out, so it would be nice to hone that skill just for *fun*. FWIW I'm worthless with a pistol. Got to be a longarm!
UK knife law (and various other laws we have) are so restrictive on personal freedom as to be frankly counter to the human experience, and I'd like gun ownership to not be something so out of reach for folk as to make the only guns in the country to exist on the black market or farmer's land...: but the guns vs knives argument is comparing apples and oranges.
The principle of the lesson is absolutely fine - what truly matters is the behaviour not the tool, but the idea that a gun is 'just' a tool is a fantasy cooked up by the military & gun industry.
My Chinese Kung Fu teacher in China town London showed us once how in Hong Kong they use biros to seriously hurt people, especially if struck in the windpipe
I'm 76 so remember when I was at school in the 1950's and 60's we HAD to have a knife to sharpen our Technical Drawing pencils. I never knew anyone who had a knife problem, never saw a knife fight. This has all been brought upon us by a certain sector of the population that we cannot even name for obvious reasons. You can make all the laws you want, these people will carry what they wish and are prepared to use them. Just this week 9 of these people were jailed for murder in Nottingham.
Simon Ellis of History Debunked has a lot to say on this topic, well worth watching.
If I'm right in saying, I think Nottingham has one of highest knife crime issues. The issues really comes from the fact that the vast majority of those knives are kitchen knives. My running buddy work for the police and they're trying to work with youths on not carrying knives and moving out of that gang culture. We were talking about deterrents. The feedback they've had from youngsters are there are no deterrents to stop them. They just don't care at all. Doing a few years in prison only adds to their street cred. One of the main statistics is these kids come from single parent family without a role model to shepherd them to be good adults. The cure for this knife crime runs deeper than naughty kids.
I'll check out the Simon Ellis content. Thanks for the heads up
I'm from Wisconsin, USA and to be quite honest I find knife laws to be ridiculous. I see a knife as a tool, I carry a liner locking Kershaw Filter and a Victorinox Pioneer X. Sometimes when out doing yard work, hiking, etc I carry a Mora HD Companion. These are simply tools that get used for cutting, slicing, opening and fixing whatever may need fixing. As far as being used as weapons, a screwdriver, kitchen knife, hammer, even a pencil can be used to cause injury or death. Knife laws punish law abiding citizens, criminals don't care or think about locks or blade length. They will use whatever knife they want, laws be damned.
I’m from WI too!
As a Czech who lives in England I was quite surprised when I found out that the knife I carried around for a year was actually illegal to carry around here. We have no laws on cold weapons in Czechia, and I absolutely agree that I see it as a tool, rather than a weapon, and the regulations are just ridiculous
i have a lil spyderco grasshopper in my wallet, people in the uk arent used to people edc, so when a small cake needed cutting up and everyone goes awwww, i pull out my knife and everyone freaks out, why have you got a knife, erm for situations like this!!!!!! lol obviously for all sorts but in the uk most just arent used to it
@@SoSimonSays I know. When I say we should get rid of the knife regulation in England they all go crazy and think everyone will stab each other. They can't sell you scissors until you are 18 and show them ID. This country is a mess in its regulations
@@janhejcman & because scissors are so dangerous they come in blister packs that... wait for it... require scissors or a very sharp knife to open! You couldn't make it up :D
Criminals don't care about the subtle distinction between blade length and cutting edge length. Law abiding citizens should be able to carry whatever they want to defend themselves.
We can use anything HANDY to defend ourselves against a lethal attack . So much is being said we are not allowed to use lethal force but that is NOT TRUE .
Criminals are most likely to grab a kitchen knife and how do you stop that?
@@jamesrichardson8488 With a Glock 19X.
That is the argument of the US gun lobby and the result is a huge death toll from gun use - some of it from "criminals" but a lot from legal users who decide to shoot their neighbour for knocking on the wrong door or turning into the wrong driveway. I am not denying the use of guns by criminals, but by and large most of the mass shootings/school shootings aren't carried out by criminals. Secondly, if law abiding citizens carry whatever they want, then how do you stop the criminals from carrying the same things, openly, in the guise of being law abiding. At present, someone carrying a banned weapon or a restricted weapon without excuse is already a criminal - quite apart from intent. If anyone can carry anything it becomes harder for the police to prevent crime, they can only catch someone after they use their "legal" weapon. While weapon laws/knife laws in the UK are stupid, we are generally free from the universal fear of guns that exists in the USA. I accept that the majority of people who use knives are sensible, but the law has to restrict those who are not sensible. We restrict who can drive, or vote, or drink and we expect those who practice medicine to be trained. I see no problem with having some restrictions on dangerous objects.
@@charleshayes2528 A Spyderco Delica is not a dangerous object. It is a tool to be used for every day carry. Also, remember it was U.S. guns and U.S. men that saved England and the rest of the world in 1944.
I use a knife every day with my job. It's always in my pocket and always in use. It is great to know that our government has our best interests at heart and knife crime has dropped to zero so thank you government of the day!
The vast majaority of incidents involving knife crime in the UK involve common kitchen knives and not the sort of knife targeted by these ridiculous laws. Putting that aside the establishment still cannot get thier head around the fact that criminals "Do Not" follow the law, they break the law as a matter of course. So no amount of regulations are realistically going to have much effect.
I'm from the countryside in the 70s/80s where we had/access to guns nevermind knives, as kids/teens. In the Cubs you'd have a pen-knife & in the Scouts a 6" sheath knife. Scalpels for Airfix kits, etc. Literally everyone carried all the time because there's always something that needs a knife/tool. No one ever pulled one on another person nevermind cut/stabbed them even when having actual fights. Moved to a City & things are slightly different. The kids are alright but there's predatory/violent adults now that as a small kid you really have no defence against if you don't even get the opportunity to [easily] outrun them. I worked as a paper-boy for a few years and there were a few of us to cover all the rounds back then. One evening one of them was grabbed by some bloke & molested on his round. The other lads didn't fancy taking it on but I wasn't bothered because I always carried my great-grandfathers WW1 bayonet in my paper bag. Blunt as fuck [used as a fire poker for years before it was given to me] but no one suddenly on the other end of it knows that. Saved my ass too. Saw off two big blokes with it who were following me and talking about what they could do to me if they felt like it, right up until the point where I pulled it out and waved it at them. Fuck the law. Always carry and hope the jury aren't cunts.
Very similar here. I grew up in a small rural town a stones throw from Alton Towers. I had a knife from a young age. Cutting rope, tree branches etc to make bases in the woods. My childhood was like a Northern version of an Enid Blighton book 😁 that's what kids did in the 80s. I've watched so many videos of these gangs and they're all carrying Wish.com or Ali Express machetes, or knives from Tesco. We're expected to walk around with nothing to defend ourselves waiting for the next mad person to attack us
Good on ya im the same, a "criminal", fuck the law (not all many are good but you get the point) if its unjust its your moral duty to disobey.
You mean 'arse' (silent 'r'), not 'ass' unless you're American. In English, as used in England and the rest of the UK, an 'ass' is a small, usually grey, long-eared animal of the horse genus; 'arse' is the buttocks. Therefore you should have said: 'saved my arse'.
Interestingly, the English form 'arse' is now rare in North America, where in later use 'ass' (originally a regional and colloquial pronunciation variant of arse, with assimilatory loss of 'r') became the usual North American equivalent.
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@@MoorlanderEDC One of the greatest quotes of all time ... " If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim that can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore, what he must be taught to fear is his victim."
...................When seconds count, police are minutes away..............
@@MoorlanderEDC I should get a gun if I were you. Ar15? Uzi? Then you would be safe. How many mad people do you know?
We are living in an increasingly nanny state ,
As a Boy Scout in England we had sheath knives as part of the uniform. The blades were around 6 inches.
OMG! Imagine how many scouts died back them from meaningless attacks... I'm guessing... none 😆 I was in the cubs and scouts and had a swiss army knife my dad gave me
Haha, I carried an M1A1 bayonet as a sheath knive, never had a problem back then. I never felt the need to use it for stabbing anyone either, it was just a tool.
Great video, always good to be up to date with the idiotic laws regarding an EDC knife. I really do despair..... A knife is a tool, I use one everyday i'm at work. "What its a 3 inch LOCKING blade? You must be a psychopath! Hellbent on the destruction of mankind!!"
Yep. You'd think people imagine groups of knives walking around the streets unattended
I think about the history of blades in all of these countries and it’s ridiculous that you’re so restricted now. In Japan, for instance, I think you can get in trouble for a Swiss Army knife. Just insane to me. Sad. Criminals will never care about laws anyway.
Very true 🤜🤛
I carry a folding locking knife at all times , when I'm out and about . It gets used for allsorts of jobs . Even when I'm wearing just a t shirt , you would never know that I was carrying a knife...... I've only once had to show it for self defence purposes , when some little tough guy thought that he was going to play the big man ..... soon changed his mind... ;-) . I refuse to be put in danger because some official jobsworth type says it's 'illegal' . ...... Always remember people , the police are NOT there to serve you or I !.....
dude where do you hide it? and put some trousers on jeeze lol
@@SoSimonSays Bloody comedian lol..... I carry it in a 'sideways' pouch on my belt ..... that's why it's not easily visible .
Ermmm. Not sure that's a particularly clever thing.
When I was younger everyone had a penknife, and we didn't go around stabbing everyone up from a different post code , I hate to sound pessimistic but our country is on a one way journey not for the better
when I was in elementary school in the US in the 1970s it was common for us guys to whittle sticks during recess with our pocketknives that we always carried, our parents knew, teachers knew, it was not a thought in anyone's mind to ban the knives. The sticks we'd whittle we'd then use as spears! No one was ever stabbed tho.
@@joejones9520 exactly, it's our new tolerant cultures ,
@@joejones9520 I think it's just got worse since we done away with religion in schools, you didn't even have to be super religious but it today even if people don't realise is what western culture is grounded in , morality, forgiveness, virtue, empathy, all based in Christian values. Yet us in the anglosphere are racists if we try and celebrate our culture or wanting to hold on to it, because the new elites the kids ,university people of the managerial class don't believe the west has a culture, and what culture we have is tolerance ,diversity, blah blah blah fucking blah when we become the minority, the new guests ain't gonna give a fuck about the rainbow, tolerant left soyboy crowed, they will laugh at them for the weaklings they are the fact that they gave up on and destroyed there own culture just like that, cuz diversity duhhhh
Thanks Moorlander - great video. As if our laws were not confusing enough...! Thanks for bringing some clarity. I am a fan of @blackbeltbarrister and have referenced his site a few times from my channel. I think I need to start putting disclaimers if I mention that any knives that I review are UK legal - as I am not a barrister.... BTW your jacket didn't sound too bad - loved the out-takes at the end!
My biggest problem with our knife law is that it’s not clear and it leaves room for interpretation which will be used against you in court.
As you’ve mentioned in the video there are ambiguities around what is considered a blade and its length, but also around the part of the law that mentioned the ‘good reasoning’. For me good reason of carrying a small knife is to open packages, cut labels on clothes or peel an apple. Just the other day I could not open a bag of peanuts with my bare hands, it kept slipping and the plastic was too thick. Try explaining that to a policeman, see how far it takes you.
Also, a 3 inch locking knife is not more dangerous than a screwdriver, a folding saw or a pizza cutter. Are they going to ban these next?
They fucking ban rocks and socks at this point…..
When a government and a monarchy begin to fear the people, this tells you everything you need to know about their legitimacy. Walk tall and don't carry a sharpened pencil in your pocket.
there more worried about the statistics of knife crime, London for example.
@@jamesrichardson8488then london should have its own fucking laws. Why should i be banned from owning or carrying things up in the mountains of wales because of londons statistics? Boils my piss and we should all be lining the streets demanding change. And something like literally 98% of knife crime is committed with kitchen knives.. they aren't banning them, its nothing to do with statistics, it's chipping away at all of our rights simply so they can appear to be doing something when there's FAR bigger issues they entirely ignore.
A government and monarchy SHOULD fear its people.
@@Epiidevvy You have GOT IT, Devyn! Awesome...
Especially a wef tainted monarchy!
I am Uk knive lover and carry my spyderco UKPK 95 percent of the time and have be fortunate enough never had to explain it to any officer. With the way the UKPK looks i def think i would still get taken to the station as i wouldn't be willing to just hand it over if i dont beleive ive broke any laws. All be it aswell due to the £90 cost and fact i have had it for a long long time
Hi PM. Do you know what, I totally agree on the UKPK look and feel. If they wanted to make a knife that didn't look particularly offensive, they didn't read the brief properly. I definitely think the Urban I had here is much more knife law compliant looking. The leaf shape to the blade looks less 'stabby'. I've also been very fortunate that I've never been questioned over my carry. I have several friends who are Police Officers and they've all got differing understandings of the law... Strangely though... in the knife epidemic we're apparently in, of the 5 of them, only one had ever confiscated a knife. All of the others haven't ever been in a situation that they've needed to. They're mainly around rural North Staffordshire, North Derby and East Cheshire so they're not London or central Birmingham
@@MoorlanderEDC I bought the Urban over the UKPK due to it's full backspring, I don't want a slipjoint with half a backspring, also the thicker bladestock, and the better blade steel.
@@simonh6371 the backsprng is very strong on the UKPK. I have always wanted the HH version. I will probably pick up a urban at somepoint as well for the s30v if I can't get a HH UKPK 2nd hand market. There both great knives!
Politicians don’t much care about thugs carrying 10” kitchen knives.
But they cannot STAND for subjects to carry a two inch knife which
has a lock to keep it from folding on your fingers.
The UK law says cutting edge, but if you cut a sheet of paper with the whole cutting edge and measure that it could give you a whole different length of "cutting edge"
Museumits gave me a good chuckle. I always carry a Victorinox huntsman, the amount of tags on toys and clothes my daughter needs removing makes it 100% worth it.
The saw has been handy for quick jobs round nans house etc also.
I carry the Lansky Madrock......it has a very stiff slip joint, and it's quite robust.
Thanks for the reference and link - I'll link back to your brilliant video in my new upcoming one talking about the same thing. (Madness in many respects, but the law is the law!)
I'm genuinely honoured that you've watched my content. I'm a huge fan of your channel and think your content is great. There's so much of the law that feels out of reach to the lay person. Thanks for watching 🤜🤛
The law in the UK is totally absurd
Laws like these either dont prevent crime or they increase it and that is then self-sustaining for the law because then people can say, "Look how bad it is even with these restrictive laws, imagine how bad itd be without the laws," and then the laws never go away.
@@joejones9520 As people have pointed out, criminals will do what they like, but if they are caught with sawn-off, machete, etc. the existing laws will allow them to be arrested. The offensive weapons laws allow that, but they are also intended to try to prevent a law abiding citizen lashing out when provoked. There are plenty of examples of fist fights that would be much worse if the participants had knives. I also wonder how many recent knife deaths were because the assailant was carrying a knife for "self-defence"? I believe that kids caught with knives give fear of knife crime as a reason - just as Americans carry guns because they are afraid of guns. I don't carry a gun because I am not afraid of a neighbour with a gun losing his temper. (Yes, I know there are criminals with guns, but our stats are still way lower than the USA. The idea that some kid got shot just for knocking on the wrong door chills me to the bone - when I was a kid, that was a common game, not a death sentence.) While I do agree that British law is often illogical and inconsistent, I do feel safer knowing that most people are not going to be carrying knives at all and those who do aren't carrying K-Bars or something. Any regulation at all is going to annoy someone, but allowing everyone to carry anything - as some people argue - just makes it easier for the criminals to do so openly.
@@charleshayes2528 really hung up on this huh?
@@joejones9520 you want to see hat a free for all just look at the USA , do you fancy they gun laws ?
Over the top and on the wrong knives, kitchen knives are what the bad guys use.
I read the office of national statistic released that 80% of knife crime was with kitchen knives from Tesco, Asda, Amazon etc (I guessed it would be higher). The remaining 20% is screwdrivers, Stanley/utility knives, chisels etc. Tesco, Morrisons and Sainsburys etc have sold more deadly knives than anyone
Get rid of the criminals using them what next ban rolling pins because they can be used as a club or shoe laces because they can be used as a ligature
Rolling pins and cricket bats 😆
An unjust law is no law at all.
Unfortunately, the media has colluded with the government to vilify law abiding citizens like us. You whip out a Swiss Army knife and people think you're about to slice them up
I don’t think the police know the law on knifes
I had a small lock knife with 3 inch or under blade that I use at work and was told by police it was illegal to own that knife, an official form was filled in and the knife was confiscated
The policeman said he understood I was using for work but was a prohibited item and not allowed to own it
I live in England and I’m 64 years old
Totally confused what’s right or wrong
your confused as to weather you just been fucked over, you know in your gut you did nothing wrong
I hope you challenged that.
Can’t complain about police they will always win
My father used to be an officer (well a 'private' officer for local government, has sworn police power), one of his friends is an officer, and a few of the officers I've had interactions with don't understand the laws either.
Lucky it was friendly chit-chat and nothing they could take my knives for. Still ridiculous an officer doesn't understand basic weapon laws.
Also, officers these days are quite scummy. They try every trick in the book to incriminate you, or get you to incriminate yourself.
Asking you extremely pointed questions that would make you seem like an idiot if you disagreed with (example; "do you think THIS knife could be considered a weapon"), it's absolute idiocy.
It’s all a load of bollocks anyway. If your a bad man carrying a knife for no good, you don’t care about the laws anyway. Only hurts us dudes who love knives and wanna use them for edc doins
Agreed. No modern knives laws are stopping the knife crime in inner cities
Everybody is a good guy until they aren't :/
@Moorlander EDC that's somewhat naive. Without law nothing would be illegal. They wouldn't be criminals, knife crime wouldn't exist.
The laws arent a perfect counter to knife crime, but they enable people to be prosecuted for it and add aggravating circumstances to any charges brought against the person.
I wouldn't say naïve 😆 I definitely agree that we need knife laws. We need them to show we have a standard or what we expect from citizens, however, criminals all fall outside of those laws. If you take the US for example and the differing gun ownership laws through the different States. All the data proves that States that have incredibly tight laws on carrying a firearm on average have the highest figures for violent crime and gun deaths. Chicago is a shine example of this... whereas States that have the closest rights to the Second Amendment and freedom to carry a fire arm on average have the least amount of violent crimes and murders by guns. These are readily available figures, and facts the media are refusing to report on. Now, I'm not saying we allow claymores and samurais (although that would be very cool in deed) but none of the knife laws we have here have prevent a stabbing in the inner cities. It's either a societal issue (which I feel it is as these youngsters feel they need to carry a knife to be safe) or it's something else
@@lmaoroflcopter stats show that most people are law-abiding all their lives regardless of rules they are under, the vast majority could carry machine guns and still would never use them.
Government don't want you to be able to defend yourselves against them.
The law hasn't changed, in the case of Brooker v DPP, he was carrying a 10cm blade. The law prohibits an article which "has a blade or is sharply pointed EXCEPT a folding pocketknife". The blade he was carrying was not a folding pocketknife and hence was illegal. It wasn't sharp, but still legally a blade.
The definition of a folding pocketknife still states that the CUTTING EDGE cannot exceed 3".
At my age of 71yr old from Scotland a knife is useful for me when in out and about for opening packages and even sweet packets
I have been carrying a victorinox huntsman for years with no issues
I'm sure you'll agree... Victorinox knives/tools are the least offensive knives out there 👍
@@MoorlanderEDC yes they are and they are also socially acceptable if someone sees you with one they don't panic and run off
Having heard about this interpretation of UK law sometime last year (i.e. full blade length rather than cutting edge) it made me re-check some of my favourite “UK Legal” carries, which highlighted that the very popular Boker Plus XS could lead to problems if challenged. Very much err on the side of caution now and tend to stick with a Victorinox (or occasionally my Manly Wasp or Twisted Assisted Junzi if a more substantial blade is required). Surely this confusing situation should have been clarified some time ago on official Government sites, ridiculous that it hasn’t been!!
In Germany that was always the interpretation for the blade length.. which kinda makes sense if you think about stabbing..
But thankfully blade length limitations only apply to Fixed Blades here.
@@stevenarmstrong6622 In Germany the laws make zero sense either. You can carry a locking blade, or a non-locking one-handed opening blade, but not a one-handed opening locking blade, so no Leatherman Wave for example, but the Rebar is fine. Yet you can carry a fixed bladed knife up to 12cm blade length I think? The 12cm fixed blade is more readily deployable than the one-handed opening locking knife. Even more absurd, German forces personnel can't carry their issue Soldier 08 off duty, Swiss can.
@@simonh6371 it's not only about deployment, but also about concealment.. same reason why it's relatively easy to get a rifle here, compared to pistols.
you won't surprise someone with a fixed blade on your belt..
But with an otf in your pocket it's a different story.
funny thing is the definition of blade is "the flat cutting edge of a knife", so the sharp bit, the law may say one thing but the thing with law is they are perfect with their definitions, they have to be, therefore, the law is wrong sorta because the sharp bit is the blade, the choil and the rest by definition is not part of the blade, you could technically have a 100cm knife (dagger/short sword) but only 3 inches of the tip is sharp and it would be legal by definition
Like most of our laws,concocted by asses!
While the criminals do as they like against us!
Just to point out that a non locking blade thats under 3" that is kept razor sharp can be utterly lethal
Just to point out a man of 90-100kg with a mean right hook can be absolutely lethal. More people are killed by someone’s bare hands than by a small pocket knife! If I had to fight someone (other than running away) I’m not going to fiddle around with my officer suisse and try and poke him with it. I’d be lucky to make it through denim! 😂
Minor point of correction, Chicago's blade restrictions are 2", not 3". I've got a special, tiny knife just for trips into the city 😂
Noted Zach 🤘
'cause Chicago's such a safe, non-violent place and they want to keep it that way! Ha.
I was teaching a retired police officer a few weeks ago and he was agreeing with me about how ludicrous the laws were. He also pointed out that in reality the laws are not aimed at law abiding people going about their day with a tool in their pocket. I generally carry a leatherman surge in my bag along with a few other tools. I'm a gas engineer by trade (albeit that I'm teaching now) and i regularly end up doing a quick job when i visit friends and family., My hobbies all require tools on a regular basis and my made mode of transport is a motorbike so it's not like i can leave my tools in the boot. Yet according to the law "just in case" isn't a good reason. To be fair though at 38 I've never had to be stopped, searched or in any other way been on the wrong side of the police so honestly I'm not going to worry about it.
They are definitely a joke. As a trades man you're covered if asked in a working day... it the weekends or outside of working hours that's when the laws aren't on your side.
Holy s**t. I feel for you folks. Thoroughly depressing.
The law is pointless, it only affects people who abide it. The reason for the law is because of stabbings, and noone ever stabbed someone worrying if their knife followed UK law.
I don't think we should be allowed to walk around with a Bowie on our hip but I do think we should be allowed to have a locking blade of usable length for EDC.
Hi CG, 100% agree. Knives bought from Asda and Tesco have done more harm than anything else. I think the 3" length of fine too, maybe 3.5" as it opens up a lot of other knives but I'm not that bothered. Locking the blade does make it way more safe. I'm sure if you were a true ninja, you could take someone out with a 10mm knife is needed
One statement of old, carved into many courtrooms, is ‘punish the WRONGDOER’ but in Britain today, criminals use almost solely kitchen knives to commit knife crime- while law abiding citizens are PUNISHED with blanket bans on EVERY attractive or knife with any kind of ‘novelty’ or ‘gimmick’ like flick knives, spring assisted knives, butterfly knives, and so on. The rule in todays Britain is definitely ‘punish the law abiding person with blanket bans of knives no criminal uses’
That's very true. It's as though good old fashioned common sense sank with the Mary Rose
@@MoorlanderEDC ah… common sense….nowadays the least common of all senses!
The Blackbelt Barrister is excellent for guidance!
Remember that an explanation does not necessarily equate to "a good reason " in law!
Sadly the UK knife laws are not fit for purpose. The poor performance of UK Police forces in fighting UK knife crime is not, in any way, related to the length of legal blades. The weapons of choice are so often kitchen knives and machetes. A few years back I watched at TV documentary where investigative journalists asked an under age person to buy a machete from three separate, unrelated, garden centres. The 15 year old making the purchase was only challenged on one of the three occasions, and that was by a "Saturday" worker, who herself was underage and, hence, required an appropriate adult to confirm age verification.
Agreed. Not a lot of knives crime with a £400 Chris Reeves knife
Its not knife crime they should be focusing on, its the crime bit, dont care weather its a knife, bazooka or nuke, the question is why are they doing it, address that problem first before you take away other peoples rights
Just double checked my two EDC knives. My SAK comes in well under 3 inches. But my Spyderco UKPK is bang on 3 inches. Not even a human hair to waste.
While I releived, I hate our weapons laws and self defense laws.
So this makes the twisted assisted traditional Slipjoint not a Uk legal EDC🥺. Big shame I love that knife.
I know this law in the UK and I think it's a bad law. Using non locking knife is just dangerous. I've visited UK last week and I took with me only small Victorinox. So I can tell you, it's not very convienient or safe to... even cut bread and butter it with that kind of knife.
I believe there is a law in the UK against killing people with knives, right? So why is necesary law against carrying knives? Next one will be probably against thinking of carrying knife. I can imagine how to kill someone with pencil or shoelace. Are pencils and shoelaces still legal? And what about bricks? What about glass bottles? Or hydraulic wrenches? If I wanted to kill someone I would definitely choose a hydraulic wrench ;)
In Poland we have less restrictive laws. There are limitations, but there is no distinction between folding knives, non-folding knives, with or without a lock. But I can see that this is also going in the wrong direction with us.
If someone wants to use a knife for bad intentions, they'll just take it from the kitchen and don't care about the law. Bandits using firearms don't use them legally either.
Hi Rafal, thanks for commenting my friend. Yes, the universal fact is that criminals don't follow laws. It knives were banned tomorrow, or the old Gods magically removed them from the face of the planet someone would pick up a hammer, cricket bat or sock with a handful of gravel in it.
Non lockers aren't dangerous.
Great, informative video, I have always carried a knife, swiss army, most of the time, with the relevant bits on it for what I'm doing, work, camping, biking, to learn how much I am possibly in breach of the law makes me uncomfortable and unhappy, I have a little bibury pocket multi-tool that has a box cutting blade a pair of scissors, bottle opener, flat and phillips head driver and a two sided file, it's just under 3 inches as complete unit, but has a locking mechanism, (which is great) that works for every bit on the thing, I'll have to modify it to carry it, it will not be as safe to use because it could, (I've had more than one 'uk legal' knife unsafely fold on me whilst using) fold up and harm me. Madness! But then when the lunatics had taken over running the asylum, they thought we all should be using crayons!
That's only because they want to steal those of us as well ,so they can eat them .
Thanks for the clarification, very informative video! Im just happy my swiss army knife is still fine. That being said, I have no doubt one day even a spoon will be an offense to carry.
I've just measured my Opinel No.8, it's three and a quarter inches long and has a locking mechanism, so I guess it's illegal. The Opinel has no blade-retaining spring, so the locking ring makes it safer for the user, not more dangerous as a weapon.
Also what does 'in public' mean?
I use the Opinel when I'm camping with my motorcycle to prepare food for cooking, for tent repairs and cutting wood for kindling. Does camping with other people for example, count as being 'in public'?
Growing up in the Seventies, every kid I knew had a penknife with some, usually Boy Scouts, openly wearing a sheath knife with maybe a six or eight inch fixed blade. Knives were regarded as tools, not weapons and I don't remember anyone getting stabbed when we were building dens from wood and string using our knives for their intended purpose.
Of course, children don't play out these days, rather they sit in their bedrooms playing computer 'games' of shooting people or blowing them up to conquer some fictitious empire.
I would argue that violent computer games lead to a greater propensity for actual violence than correctly using a penknife or other type of leisure knife.
This is not because violent games inherently cause people to be violent, but because these games are so commonly used that they might encourage people who already have violent tendencies or anger issues, to actually commit violent offences.
The burning question I think is this; how do we enforce this law? I have carried knives 'in pubic' for years, many of which would now be classed as illegal, but I have never been stopped or searched by the Police, because I have never given any cause to be stopped. I carry a knife as an everyday tool, it's amazing how often it's used for mundane tasks.
The only time these laws are used is when a criminal offence has already taken place, but obviously the perpetrator of these offences was not deterred by the threat of a fine and will probably be found guilty of much more serious offences in any case, so why bother with laws on knife possession?
Having worked in the hospitality industry, most chefs I know carry a roll of their own, often deeply treasured, knives. So they will be carrying them on the bus or tube to their place of work in the city of London, or wherever, then back home again at the end of their day and then repeat this most days of the year. I assume this is one of the exceptions within the law, but chef's are just as likely to be murderous psychopaths as anyone else. Some might say, even more so. I've seen chefs hurl kitchenware at staff in a fit of temper on many occasions.
Anyway, that's my rant over. Going camping tomorrow. My illegal Opinel No.8 will be with me.
Love and peace.
Great comment here. Thank you for taking the time with this. Yes, unfortunately the locking mechanism would make the Opinel illegal. My granddad carried an Opinel No8 pretty much everyday since the war and never got stopped or questioned about it. The media definitely plays a huge part in how knives have been vilified over the last decade. Every knife attack is a front page story which sees fear amongst the readers. Most of the knife attacked (roughly 80%) are with kitchen knives bought from Asda or Tesco and not pocket knives like an Opinel.
You're spot on with the chefs knives in rolls. If they were stopped they'd be able to explain where they were going and why they had them. Most officers would see this as normal as they'd be in a roll tucked into a backpack. Most wanna be gangsters would have a single knife with the blade rapped in newspaper and duct tape tucked into their waist band
The 'public' place is a strange one. The local pub, Tesco, schools, hospitals, librarys, the local high streets are all public areas. The local park on a Sunday for a kids party with a knife to cut a cake is also in a public area however it's the context. Walking across the Moorlands could also be deemed as a public area however it's less dencely packed and you hopefully would be there camping or it would be stowed away in a pocket or pack. You could be on a camp site cutting up food and 10k people walk past and common sense shows yours cutting up food or repairing a tent but if one limp wristed alarmist didn't like the look of it (even if you were brandishing it in an aggressive manner) and called the police, it would be down to you to explain why you had it, what it's being used for and why the other person didn't like it's appearance. It's very crazy times.
I'm a keen gamers and I have heard the thoughts about violent video games before. I've looked into it a lot and there's surprisingly a lot of studies that have shown violent games do translate into violence in life. Most gamers understand the differences and it doesn't over flow. That's not to say that some gamers don't do violent acts... But they haven't been directly linked. Famously the film Bowling for Columbine was called that because the Columbine mass murder was blamed on so many things that the kids did before hand... But that morning the two killers went bowling and nobody linked bowling might produce murders. There are zero games out there where your tasked with sexually molesting another person whereas I can name several films where this happened in very graphic scenes. Most of the issues come from teens feeling unsafe do to gangs and the only thing they can conceal is a knife. Just like the US's issue with guns. We don't have a knife issue we have a people issue. Bring back social clubs, youth events, boxing clubs, after school events. We have a huge youth population that have nothing better to do.
We also have a growing population where family values are missing. Young men that are growing up in single parent families without a father. One of the biggest difference in a young man's life is growing up with a father. This has been backed with decades of support and evidence, and yet when it's mentioned people take it as we're saying single mothers are to blame. It's a very deep and difficult problem to find a solution to. I think turning the clocks back to 1980s would solve a lot. No Internet, no social media, better family values and society in general.
I might have gone off track a bit there 😂 great comment for sure. Thanks for watching
Knife laws are stupid because criminals don't care about the law, all laws like this do is criminalise lawful people, also they don't work because we have a knife crime epidemic, a lot of stabbings are done with screwdrivers as are burglaries, fact is violent criminals will use guns, knives, machetes what ever they like because they don't care about the law, also these same individuals that are are caught carrying illegal knives are often let off with a caution if it is their first offence, most don't carry either they have knives that are hidden in various places and they get them when they need them.
In 1963 I was in the cubs scouts. There were 25 of us in the pack. About 17 of us had a sheath knife with a 7 inch blade. It was so normal to see young lads with a knife on our side. Not one of us did any buffoonary . In fact I dont think any of us did anything stupid.
they probably gave you all knives to protect you from the nonce scout leaders tbh
The laws are not going to be followed by criminals and no criminal would pull our a blade of less that 5" to intimidate you, so these laws are not there to protect honest men, they are there to get easy prossicutions regardless of intent.
Ive been plagued with this problem for a while. Carried a viper dan 1 for years. Which the difference between blade lenghth vs cutting edge is enough of a difference to take it over the limit hence i dont carry it anymore and is now an expensive paper weight 😑
I wouldn’t put “UK government” and “cutting edge” in the same sentence! Great vid thank you
😂😂😂😂😂 You're not wrong Lisa. Hope you're well and have a cracking weekend planned
You are 100% right about different states having different knife length laws....it is very frustrating. What are the laws in the UK about collapsible batons?
Definitely not allowed. Only the police are allowed them to control the public. Truncheons and other defensive items are being used less nowadays though. UK police use Tazers and Parver (not sure how it's spelt) spray more often than not. Crowd control police will still use batons
Telescopic batons are totally 100% banned, even in private. You cannot own them. Used to be able to but not anymore... Yet they're still all over eBay and Amazon.
@@lornelorne5727 just...WOW!
Uk law is pretty clear.
You can use reasonable including lethal force to defend yourself.
You can use any item including firearms to defend yourself.
You cannot carry weapons for self defence.
@@MoorlanderEDC hmmm, not quite right. All PC's carry batons but try and avoid their use as things like tazer and pava have no lasting affects, however all cops still carry them. UK law states that you cannot have spring assisted batons at home. However police batons are not spring assisted and require you to flick them out- these are still legal to possess AT HOME but if you carried one in public it would be considered an offensive weapon. So yes you can own a NON SPRING ASSITED baton AT HOME but cannot carry it in public.
I won't specify but shall we say, I know this through occupational knowledge.
Non locking knives can be very dangerous for some jobs as the blade can close and slice the fingers. I've done this to myself while working as an electrician. Used to have a sheath knife as well. No problems. 70 years old now.
Agreed. Generally I don't mind the blade length. 3" is just about right. Locking should be an option for everyday use. Although, if you're an electrician and use the knife for your day to day role, it's still perfectly legal to own and use a locking knife whilst at work. You just can't go to the pub with it or local shops. Thanks for watching Gordan 👍
My municipality bans carrying “hunting knives” in public. Not that they have defined what a “hunting knife” is. A few years ago they wanted to ban dangerous knives.
Dangerous knives? I've been bitten by more Victorinox knives than any other brand. Does that make them dangerous? 😆
Our Mayor was a bit of a muppet!
The Boker xs is now in this grey area depending on where you take the measurement. This was an excellent edc knife for UK still advertised by many suppliers as UK legal, but now up for debate ?
I think there's a few knives I have now that are pretty close. One officer might let it pass where as another might not. I always say be nice, polite and courteous to every officer. If they like you, then you'll have a better chance of keeping your knife 🤘 Stay safe buddy
@@MoorlanderEDC AFAIK the law still reads "cutting edge". I believe BBB is wrong because the AFAICT the Brooker case wasn't about folding knives or "cutting edge" or s139. It was about whether an unsharpened butter knife counted as a "blade" at all.
These kind of rules are made by bureaucrats who likely have never handled more than a butter knife and possibly not even that. To count the ricasso makes no sense. Excellent explanation of what would be allowed should I visit the UK. I just checked, and the Spyderco P.I.T.S. comes in a fraction under 3 inches.
Enjoyed your video and detailed explanation. Here in the States there's different laws regarding ownership and carriage of knives... each of the 50, District of Columbia, and quite a few cities (e.g. New York City, Chicago, New Orleans...) having different laws. Many of which are vague. For the most part, locking blades are permitted for carry. The knife I generally carry EDC (Louisiana) is a Cold Steel Counterpoint 1. The only two types that are generally prohibited for ownership are Ballistic (spring or gas propelled) knives, and for carry, Automatic. Although California allows a very small (under 2") automatic. Public Safety and Rescue personnel are permitted to carry automatic knives.
Our Press here in the UK would have us believe that all 50 States have a 'you can carry a samurai sword if you want' policy. I've quite enjoyed learning about the differences around the States and the world. Ourist of out right banned knives is exstenive. A lot of them are either pretty obscure, down right stupid (like the classifical of 'zombie knife') or illegal in most countries (like gravity knives)
@Moorlander EDC Ah, I see that your Press can be as disingenuine as ours. And we're not all "gun totin' cowboys" who go to bed with our guns... While the majority of UA-cam channels can be rubbish, at least there are some like yours that give us the chance for honest, intelligent conversation and the opportunity to get to know the truth on both sides of the pond. As a veteran of military police, I can carry a concealed handgun, in my State of Louisiana, without a permit, just have to have proof of my status. Whereas in Illinois or New York, there is no such permission. As a former civilian enforcement officer, I can carry in 90% of America. The other 10% are places like Chicago and New York City. In Texas, one can carry without a permit. I had the privilege of being aboard your former (RIP) HMS AMAZON as liaison when she visited the States before her last assignment as Falklands guardship. I got to know the crew. One day I hope to visit the UK. We're not so different... we both have poor politics & leaders, and problems with healthcare, etc... Yes, we both have stupid laws. Just have to do what we can do. ATB !
UK law does result in some strangeness though. The Kershaw leak, an absolute classic design, is now totally illegal as Kershaws speedsafe torsion bar system puts it in the same class as an OTF automatic. Madness!
Arkansas allows concealed carry of switchblades of any length, it's a recent development.
Knives don't kill people, people kill people a knife is a tool.
Yep, if knives were all removed today, bad people would find another tool for chaos
a lot of people have been killed by stoning in history. We need to ban rocks larger than 3"
Dont take a knife to the fitbaw or the pub, carry something sensible and you wont have any bother.
Ive not had the polis check ma pockets for over 20 years.
I’m in the u.k i always carry a knife, I’m pretty rural and work in woodland management I generally carry an assisted opening’flipper’ so i can open with one hand. Copper mate says if i was stopped going to or from work i have a pretty good case to carry it. If i’m off down the pub, doing the shopping or off on a jolly i carry a Lansky willumssen world legal friction lock . Much more evil looking than my flippers but the friction ‘lock’ makes it uk legal .
something like the svord peasant mini has always confused me. the blade portion is only 2.5 inches but it has a "flipper" kind of thing. obviously adds no length to the blade, heinnie haynes says its uk legal, but who bloody knows with the UK laws
Hmmmmm... Away for a few days but will defo check when I get hone Steve 👍
Dammit man I had no idea you had to be 17 or 18 just to buy a knife. By then I'd been toting a knife for 8 maybe 10 years. Always wanted to see the UK but between the no guns and the knife laws I'd go crazy
Yeah... It's a bit naff however we can still own some knives for public use and everything else has to stay out of public. There's also a rumour that we can't own guns. We can totally own guns here... But there's limits. No pistols unless heavily modified. Rifles that are 22lr can be semi auto, anything above 22lr has to be manually actioned. We can own a AR, an AK, even a Barratt 50bmg but they can be semi auto. The gun community over here is growing and flourishing. It's a shame pistols have to be modified. For a laugh... Google "UK modified pistol" 😉
i wasnt aware of this until I was way over 18. I've had a pocket knife since i was 9ish
@@ShadrikEaston I had a pocket knife from when I was in my early teens. I think the law has changed slightly. Before if you were buying a legal slip joint you didn't have to be 18
It's really funny to me about the knife purchase age thing. When I was a little kid in Cub Scouts, like 10 or so, I got a standard Scout knife with the blade, leather awl, can opener and bottle opener and a flat screwdriver. Purple delrin scales, steel bolsters and a little bail on one end - probably the Camillus or Case version. I carried that all through junior high and high school (12-17) and never thought about it. I was in California, so it was probably illegal. But it was a long time ago, so maybe not.
@@martinhafner2201 I used to carry a small buck like knife through school and in those years. never got into any trouble but then wasnt flashing it around. had a swiss army knife in my teens. no problem again. i just grew up with that mentality of I suppose.. 'im a kid, kids have a pocket knife, climb trees make bivuac and campfires'. this is london uk.
The UK is done.
It was done years ago when the Nanny State laid the foundations 😭
@MoorlanderEDC I'm so sorry Man. Just move to the States, we would be glad to have you.
Great video removing all doubt, and confusion, for those who don't already know this,, 🗡️
There's been a lot of talk circulating in the last couple of weeks saying "Flip knives" of any sort will now also be illegal, even if it is non locking and under 3" if you can forcibly flick it open or has anything on the back that helps it open, it is now illegal... first knife previously legal knife that comes to mind that would now be illegal is the Civivi Foldis
I moved to Poland from the UK in August last year and was blown away by their knife laws. If it looks like a knife, it's legal to carry in public.
No restrictions on blade length, deployment method, or locking features.
Their gun laws are also far less restrictive, you still need a license but you can own pistols and semi-automatic centre fire rifles, and there are no restrictions on overall length or barrel length.
DAMN YOU KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! (sorry I had to drop that in there... love the name). It's funny how some many things have been blamed on Europe and their laws, when in some respect they live a more free life that we do. I'm going to guess that Poland doesn't have a huge knife and gun crime issue?
I'm hopefully going to make a piece of content on my other channel, Moorlander Tactical, about UK gun laws and how the firearms community here is thriving. Hopefully do some plinking too 😆 Now that you have better access to firearms in Poland, have to dabbled at all? Bought a rifle?
@@MoorlanderEDC you're correct about the gun and knife crime, it's extremely rare even though all these scary things are available. Interestingly gun ownership is lower in Poland than the UK, despite the more relaxed laws. That may be due to cost, or simply because the license is more work to get. There's practical and theory exams to pass, and if you apply for a sporting license you need to actively participate in 8 matches per year to keep the license valid, but if you're enthusiastic about firearms I'd say it's definitely worth it. I'm still waiting for my residency permit to be processed (the bureaucracy here is something to behold) but I'll be exploring my options for firearms ownership as soon as it's approved.
I’m in a state that you can have any size knife or firearms.
The law is clearly repeatedly re-interpreted to manufacture crime from ordinary people because the establishment sees the folding knife exemption as loophole they want to close.
This constantly happens with UK laws, defenses and exemptions are treated a "getting off on a technicality" it is treated as the law being wrong, mistake that needs to be fixed. The attitude is that the law is a sword to be used against you in court and it's wrong for the accused to be able to use the law as a shield.
They will inevitably include not only the ricasso but even the hinge by saying "the hinge is part of the blade" and say that any resistance at all to the blade closing means it is "effectively" a non-folding knife.
I think they'll struggle to get a law that covered anything past where the scales start, however I wouldn't put it passed them
I have a small selection of reasonably cheap pocket knives. The Victorinox 823126 Pioneer X Alox Swiss Army Pocket Knife around £40 and a Grizzly Bushcraft are the most expensive. All of which are legal to carry. The SAK is my EDC. The knives that are not to be carried in public spaces are a Nieto skeleton locking knife 8cm 440c blade and a dinky little locking knife that was my late father-in-law's, rosewood scales and brass fittings 4.7cm blade, a smidge under 1 3/4" BONKERS.
Brooker v DoPP is a case about whether a 10cm butter knife blade with no handle constituted a blade within the law, and specifically mentioned cutting edge when outlining the relevant section (s139) but I can't find any revocation of cutting length being used to determine a folding pocket knife's legality. I just looked.
All our savage guests are ruining it for us sensible people who have a hobby ,
Jeepers, I have a sheath knife on my belt, put one in my pocket and have a machete on my back that goes in the bicycle basket when traveling. Is not because I am a badass or a criminal, is just because Florida is like that, sometimes. There are snakes and bears and alligators and even some sea creatures that can end an otherwise well and happy day.
If I am going to town, well the city nearest me is 65.7 K that aways or yonderthereabouts, probably do not need the machete. If I am going out on a boat, well, that is almost a daily routine, some days might be a sailing vessel, some days might be a 28' center console, and some days might be a 35' sport fishing vessel. Might add a switchblade, because cutting a line is sometimes quickish operation.
If my state or county outlaws knives, I reckon I could get by with sharp sticks and billy clubs. Really do not come across as many gators as there once were in these parts, there are less bears and bob cats also. Sharp sticks and billy clubs could be used, I suppose. But gah, that is like backwards evolution. I can and sometimes do carry a firearm, because again, Florida is most often like that.
The state would have to send me a measuring stick so that we could agree what is overall length and what is not.
Telling me a blade is this and a bolster is that and an edge is just an imaginary concept that will be defined later so that fines may be implemented is a sorta idiocracy that alotta people agreed would be okee dokee. That sux.
How do I measure the knife is it from start of hand to tip of start of metal to tip
End of the handle to the tip. It's the easiest
As with many nonsense laws brought in to fight various crimes, these knife laws criminalised everyone who would have use of a knife and had previously carried one, and left the criminals alone! I still carry (in it's pouch and in a backpack or camera bag) my old Victorinox knife that has a 3 1/4" blade, that locks. It also, being a Swiss Army Knife, has many other useful blades and it has served me well since before the bans came in and will continue to do so. The problem is with "context", or rather the lack of, when found carrying a knife by Mr.Plod who just has a set of "Laws" to operate under that allow zero common sense!
So basically, civilians arent allowed to own/carry those knives but criminals can carry and use whatever knife/gun they want?
Yes, kind of. You can carry knife that's 3" or less that doesn't lock. The difficulty is criminals will never follow the law. To some degree I feel we should be allowed to carry anything. Meet fire with fire kind of thing. I think most of criminal gangs would think twice about mugging somebody at knife point if they knew there was a good chance the person might have a knife too. We have a system where legal law abiding citizens will always be at the mercy of criminals. We definitely have a person problem here though, not a knife problem. If every knife magically disappeared from the UK over night, these wannabe gangsters would just start using hammers, cricket bats or anything they can use to intimidate people. It's not the knife's fault, it's the empowered criminals who probably grew up without anybody to tell them they're being an idiot (and probably click them around their ear)
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Glad it helped
While I can absolutely see the value in constantly changing the weapon laws to make it illegal to carry more and more types of items, since criminals are famous for being law abiding and always hand in all their newly outlawed weapons, one can not ignore the fact that constantly updating the weapons laws does cost a bit of time and money.
How about, and hear me out, I know it is a radical idea, instead of just gradually increasing the definitions of what items are deemed illegal in order to reduce knife crime and gun crime, we just in a single statute outlaw all forms of crime? Since knife and gun crime offenders are demonstrably and famously law abiding, I am sure, making crime illegal would reduce knife and gun crime drastically.
I have always had an appreciation for a quality knife, I’m 63 now and used to carry a blade with me everywhere, I would never have called on it nor been tempted to use it aggressively yet, 80% of my beautiful collection I can no longer have with me. I also love wood carving and have some lovely crafted knives made specifically for wood carving yet because they are fixed into the handles I can’t take them out with me, only my flexicut whittling Jack is suitable. It’s all bollox, the government has no respect from me, I’m sick to the teeth of the inbred silver spoon fed wankers coming up with these useless laws. I wouldn’t mind if they were well thought out and fit for purpose but they ain’t
If you have legitimate reasons to carry you can use your tools. I do for work have blades packed and stored correctly. In a bag till you get to where you are going. Use them for intended purposes only and never refer to them as a weapon or for self defence. They are a tool for a purpose.
@@devilsreject320 thanks for getting back, it makes me rather nervous to take a carving knife out, just my luck that some neurotic spinsters of the parish will be out having a stroll. Just imagine the mobile phone call to the police. “Hello is that the police? There’s an overweight old guy just sat down mumbling to himself and playing with a knife “ ide probably get shot before I could show them the twig cockerel I’d made. Lol
A law must be clear, if not it is a bad law => redo the law ^^
And there are problems not only about the lenght, it is also in many countries if knife can be one hand opened and/or is there a locking system
the law is fine actually, its the judge or whoever not understanding the definitions of words which is very important in law, a blade by definition is the cutting edge, to choil and the rest is not part of the blade, just ignorance.
As another point i meant to mention, Moorlander, is that i would clarify whether or not you actually can carry knives that lock with blades over 3 inches in private, i was assured this was not the case and had several examples taken. I think this was to bump up the numbers for the recent Operation Sceptre drive we have had recently in Stoke on Trent/Staffs
You can own any knife that doesn't appear on the banned knives list. I have several knives that are longer than 3" and locking. I'll go walking around the Roaches or over to Hanchurch woods with them and it's fine. They have been cracking down on some knives but only really from knob heads. Most of it boils down to common sense
I have been stopped and detained for a false offence nothing came of it but had a switch blade on me cut throath I did not know at the time I have been charge with having a offensive weapon but the blade I use for shaving and is only 7cm cutting edge with no point at end can I be charged for this
I carry a knife while I'm working, I'm aware it is illegal, however without it I would find it almost impossible to do certain parts of my job. Sure there are safety knives that almost work, but even then only do half the job. My knife locks because it's safer for me, I used a non locking knife once and it skipped and closed on my fingers. I wouldn't dream of stabbing anyone or anything with it as my hand would very likely slide down the blade and slice through my fingers. Real criminal will always break the law and find a way to conceal knives or other weapons etc, if someone wants to go out and harm another person, making it illegal to carry a knife isn't going to stop them.
It's not strictly speaking illegal if its a specific knife for you profession. Gardeners can legally carry machetes (but not around Asda), carpet layers can legally carry a Stanley knife, or warehouse staff etc. It's more common sense really. If you're travelling to work and have it in you bag then most Officer are cool. If its the same knife and you're half cut in the pub on a Sunday afternoon, it's a completely different story.
You're bob on about criminals skirting the law. Not a single current knife law has stopped a stabbing. 80% of knife violence is carried out with kitchen knives available from Tesco or Adsa
The ones who make law, grew up in public school, they never knew what life is, they don't know what a pothole is or the inside of a public bus :-y they don't understand life but they legislate and as such, they aren't aware of ppls lives
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Agreed. It's hard to climb down from their ivory towers
In Hungary the law says that the cutting edge or the stabbing length cannot be more than 8 cm, maybe this makes more clear that the whole blade counts (and makes the "before the buy specs check" harder as most of the brands are publishing only the blade length info and for curved blades (without ricasso) the cutting edge is longer than that)
Ah, I can imagine that's a nightmare to work out. I definitely think the whole blade measurement is the easiest and less likely to be confused. Are there restrictions on locking knives? Thanks for sharing. Always great learning about different laws. All my best
@@MoorlanderEDC Locks and one hand opening are allowed and here the term of the affected areas is slightly different, it is "publicly accessible places" or something similar which means that it includes for example a private park which is open for the public also (and it includes the interior of the cars too, so some guys can't have cheap katanas on the backseat going to a party..) What I heard that cause troubles that the regulation prohibits the term "spring knives" and it's not so clear that it means not just the switchblades but it can mean the spring assisted ones also. Other problem was in the past that except the police and military there was no legal way for exceptions for others e.g. the professional hunters, they can have a licence for a hunting rifle but not for a larger knife as there was no licence for that (and they can loose the rifle licence for a year because of an illegal knife) now it's seems that this issue is solved in the regulation, there can be exceptions for sport, profession, movie/theater, etc. (but it should be transported in disassembled/closed box).
Also prohibited the throwing stars and devices which can shoot sharp or pointy things ("french knives", bows, crossbows, slingshots), blunt weapons (boxer, loaded cane), tasers, the more serious (over 20 gr load) gas sprays, gun replicas, picklocks. Axes are allowed only in the forest (in the cities it can count as blunt weapon) with max 0.5 kg head weight, the saws can have max 30 cm.
In practice most of the common people are unaware of the rules and its depend on the police officers how strictly they follow it, can differ from person to person and the situtations of course, in general I guess they usually don't care (especially on the countryside where the larger tools are common).
with something like the ukpk, part of the "blade" also is techincally part of the grip, so if someone measured it while held it's notably shorter than if measured back to the grip
I think they'd create and imaginary line across the top of the scales to cover that
@@MoorlanderEDC the logic of it not being the cutting edge is the thrustable length, unless they expect the stabber to fist the knife wound while stabbing I don't see it counting
yep, UK knife legal things hard work, I even had to defend serrations to BBB...
Seriously? What was their issues with the serration
@@MoorlanderEDC BBB used terms of Zombie knife to implicate a legal carry can't have serrations on . I put it to him that serrations were needed on general purpose blades for a range of tasks, and climbing rope when abseiling,,,but I think there are those in legal areas who take a sneering distaste to teeth/serrations so I defend them wherever, whenever
@@WessexBladesHandMadeKnives He's read the law wrong then lol. Serrations are one defining characteristic of zombie knives but only if other characteristics are present too. A normal serrated balded knife is not a zombie knife.
Here is the definition from the Offensive Weapons Act 2019: ''the weapon sometimes known as a “zombie knife”, “zombie killer knife” or “zombie slayer knife”, being a blade with-
(i)a cutting edge;
(ii)a serrated edge; and
(iii)images or words (whether on the blade or handle) that suggest that it is to be used for the purpose of violence''
The ''and'' at the end of (ii) means that ALL THREE characteristics together make something a zombie knife. Because otherwise just a cutting edge too would make all knives zombie knives lol.
BBB has gone right down in my estimation, he's clearly barely literate. I won't be watching any of his vids again.
I live in the U.K. and yeah it’s a joke and if there’s a knife attack reported on the news they never say if it’s a kitchen knife or anything. So yeah it’s unlikely that it was a pocket knife cause we do spend money on them and use it in a crime. There was a man stabbed in Newcastle and it was on the news as a knife turned out to be a screwdriver. Just a joke
Tesco, Asda, Morrisons, Sainsburys, B&Q etc sold more offensive weapons than anybody else
No common sense anymore. with these so called Law makers.
100% agree my friend 🤙
I'm in California, USA. I'm 66 and I've carried a knife as long as I can remember. My pocketknife is a tool, not a weapon. I don't ever use my teeth for tools, thanks to my pocketknife, that's part of the reason I still have teeth. I only carry lock back knives because I filleted my thumb with a non-locking knife folding knife folded up while I was using it. I worked for the Postal Service for a while and was not allowed to have any knife, not even the one on my key chain. I see the day coming when that's the way it is everywhere.
Glad I live in the USA. I can understand some of your ridiculous laws, as we have restrictions on what we can carry to. However, I think you should be able to lock a blade in place for safety reasons. Never good to have a blade potentially close on you when you are using it. Keep up the good work and stay on top of all changes in the law. 👍
Hi Richard. I agree my friend. I think blade length is always personal choice. that 3" blade seems to be a global standard for what's classed as offensive or not. I think you're limited to 2" if you want to visit Chicago with a knife. The locking option should be always allowed for safety. The main reason it's not there is the slip joint is harder to use in a stabbing action. If you're s tradesman and need a locking knife for your work then you're allowed one. Just don't take into the local for a pint or into the grocery store. Unfortunately I know our two great nations have lots of people with little to no common sense 😆 Thank you for watching and commenting Sir. All my best
Buddy , my day goes tits up as soon as I shut off the alarm clock. Sounds like your knife laws are in line with our pistol brace laws. How are your disability laws? Like here in the US I can go anywhere with a cane and can't be asked any questions about it. Probably a better defensive tool against machete wielding football hooligans than a 3 inch slip joint.
Ha ha ha... Life's full of those days 😂 I watch and read a lot about the issues you guys face especially recently with the yo yoing the ATF have been doing with braces. It's crazy when certain States have made it legal for blind citizens to carry a pistol to protect themselves but nationally a brace to help disabled citizens to hunt and protect themselves are banned. I firmly feel like the older I get the more I feel Government should have less and less control over our lives. Guarantee we'd set the world straight in an hour over a few beers compared to the time these muppet accomplish nothing 🍻🤣
being pro 2 amendment i hate to say that a pistol does not need a brace, by definition. If it needs a brace it is a rifle.
@@joshuatall8134 Oh I know. I took mine off a while ago and just learned to shoot it. I was more or less talking about not having any clarity on it.
@@stevejackson9952 perfect sense.....i apologize is i seemed like i was preaching....there seem to be a lot pro 2A folks can not figure the logic out. It would be nice if the laws were concrete!
@@MoorlanderEDC I love the fact that UK political meetings get so raucous!!!! While staying most civil!!!